This is what I was afraid of

Remember how Republicans turned out to vote in the primaries, and Democrats didn't?

Despite her tight race with Socialist Bernie Sanders Hillary Clinton received 1,019,237 fewer votes this year than in 2008.

DEMOCRAT PARTY TURNOUT–
** In 2008 there were 38,111,341 Democrat votes in the primary. In 2016 there were 29,939,251 votes. A net decrease of 8,172,090 (-21%).

REPUBLICAN PARTY TURNOUT–
** In 2012 there were 19,214,513 Republican votes in the primary. In 2016 there were 31,108,968 votes. A net increase of 11,894,455 (+62%).

Republicans had 1.1 million more primary voters this year than the Democratic party.
These are stunning numbers!

Remember how over at TOP they told us that this didn't matter? That it didn't reflect an enthusiasm gap, even when the polls said there was an enthusiasm gap?
Remember how we were told that it would not effect the general election?

Well, riddle me this Batman?

A review of registration figures shows that in the swing states that sign up voters by party, Republicans are seeing a significantly bigger boost since 2012. In states like Florida and Pennsylvania, the party has added tens of thousands of voters to the rolls at a time when Democrats have seen their base shrink.
“The numbers [in those states] … are a huge shift from what we’ve seen in 2012,” Republican National Committee spokeswoman Lindsay Walters said....
And in big swing states ranging from Florida to North Carolina to Pennsylvania, there are still more registered Democrats than Republicans.
But the registration shift since 2012 suggests Trump will enjoy a stronger base of GOP voters in some states than did Mitt Romney four years ago.
In Florida, numbers from the secretary of state show Republicans gained 162,000 voters since 2012; Democrats lost nearly 137,000.
In Pennsylvania, Republicans gained 40,000 voters; Democrats lost 178,000.

And in North Carolina, both parties lost members as the number of unaffiliated voters rose. But Democrats lost far more than Republicans in the last four years.
Not all states register voters by party, but a review of eight states that do – Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina and Pennsylvania – showed Democrats since 2012 signed up more than Republicans only in Arizona and Colorado.

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Hillary still leads in most polls, but only by percentages of less than the margin of error.

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I know that people at TOP swoon over minority voters and despise older white voters, but the fact is that in election after election, older whites voters turn out at the polls while minorities often don't.
That's not racism. That's just the way things are. I wish it wasn't that way.
So if Hillary only has a 2 point lead, it's the same as having no lead.

Gee, ya think it might have been a better idea for the DNC to not rig the nomination for Hillary?
Maybe, just maybe we might be better off if the Dems had allowed the voters to nominate a candidate that Independents didn't despise?
Maybe like, oh, Bernie Sanders for instance?

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hester's picture

(or maybe it was NY, lol) I left the party. I know I'm not alone either. Honestly I cannot stomach Donald Trump (nor HRC) but the democratic party has done NOTHING to earn my vote. So, they won't be getting it.

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Don't believe everything you think.

Dhyerwolf's picture

are these numbers pre or post DNC convention when the big DemExit would have occured? If it's pre, then these numbers likely look worse now.

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any results of the #demexit movement.

Predictions were that 13 million were going to leave the dem party. But there are no actual numbers I've been able to find.

Even if we were to find those numbers there are tons of people, including myself, who left the dem party just prior or just after the demexit day, so those numbers would be understated.

The fact we aren't getting any numbers is a tell, as far as I'm concerned. Had it been minimally effective, we would be battered with news of its failure. The crickets tell another story.

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but I left, too. There's two. More at c99p.

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It got me thinking: when the August individual donations numbers come out on the 20th, it will include first time contributions for the general instead of the primary. Iirc they are even coded, so it should be trivial to compare primary contributor counts with the general. I'll have to think of a way to calibrate the comparison though, which might not be so easy as the calibration is in part what we are trying to measure.

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Their survey of party ID after the election.

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The fact remains that Trump won nomination fair and square, and Hillary didn’t.

Hillary will still probably win by a landslide in the electoral college, which the Powers That Be will treat as a mandate for even more corruption, concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the oligarchy, and war.

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That's why they lie about the number "90%": 90% of democrats who supported Bernie now support Hillary. There should be a disclaimer: Because all of the voters who were upset about HRC being the nominee left the party and are no longer in the numbers.

They have to keep fudging all of the numbers to make it look like election is close. Then it will seem realistic when Hillary 'wins'.

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but MSM has her stuck at what, 4%?

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than Hillary--at least he didn't have to cheat to win his nomination.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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According to Kremlin sources, the Clinton campaign allegedly “sent their goons” to threaten Jane Sanders in an attempt to get Bernie to end his campaign before the convention.

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/3495608/julian-assange-makes-claims-that-hillar...

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"Liked Even Less Than Last Time"

(And she wasn't much liked then.)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

a new milestone

Trump, of course, has long been the more unpopular of the two presidential nominees, and he remains so; 35 percent of Americans have a favorable impression of him, compared to 63 percent unfavorable.

But if you look just at registered voters, the new poll actually shows Clinton's image is about as bad as Trump's, with 38 percent having a favorable impression and 59 percent unfavorable, compared to a 37/60 split for Trump.

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Clinton's numbers serve as a reminder that Trump's unpopularity isn't prohibitive, largely because Americans — and specifically registered voters — don't much like Clinton either. If it weren't for Trump, in fact, Clinton would be the most unpopular major-party presidential nominee in modern American history.

Perhaps most notably, Clinton's image has declined significantly from just a month ago. After the Democratic convention, Americans were about evenly split — 48 percent favorable and 50 percent unfavorable.

Interestingly, Clinton's numbers appear to have dropped since that early August poll mostly in groups that have been very supportive of her:

  • Her favorable rating among women dropped from 54 percent to just 45 percent.
  • Among Hispanics, it went from 71 percent to 55 percent.
  • Among liberals, it went from 76 percent to 63 percent.

It's not clear quite what might have caused Clinton to fall further than ever before.

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Her numbers never go up.

Hillary may get occasional bumps from time to time, but she always ends up polling lower than where she starts.

Video from May 23. Amazing how close the numbers are from then to now.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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but of course, I am speaking only for myself, here --

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When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.

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I thoroughly despise that lying warmongering double-dealing double-crossing two-faced creep in a pantsuit!

I wanted none of her in 2008 because I didn't want Bill Clinton sneaking back into the White House behind her. I still think that's a totally sucky end-run around the 22nd Amendment - but she has since earned my contempt purely on her own demerits. Blum 3

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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That's the word that captures it for me.

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Even the smallest person can change the course of the future

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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It's clear to me that their are only two things in life that are certain, one is she opens her mouth and a lie comes out and two my Cubbies not winning the WS, and I'm thinking the latter just might change this year.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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Wink

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-- John Lennon

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Last I noticed I'm not a goat.

But I can't figure how to an emoji here Sad

Edit:I see it here, how'd I do it?

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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was a mistake and was roundly flagged. So I gave up. This is her race to lose. If she was actually on TV and at big rallies once in a while, it would do a lot more for her than scolding Stein supporters.

That she is running neck and neck with an orange clown with a bad combover is astonishing. She should figure out why she is so unpopular on all sides. If she snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, it's not on us.

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You got HR'd for telling them that yet there were diary after diary there about which republican had just endorsed Hillary!
How in the f'cking hell does that make sense? Never mind, nothing on that site makes sense anymore.
I wonder how many people there voted for Obama over Hillary because of her Iraq vote and the rest of the baggage she and Bill carry around with them are now voting for her and believing that her Iraq vote was just a mistake?
I know that is how Markos felt when he wrote this op ed calling Hillary too much of a Clinton democrat.

While Republicans spent the past four decades building a vast network of small-dollar donors to fund their operations, Democrats tossed aside their base and fed off million-dollar-plus donations. The disconnect was stark, and ultimately destructive. Clinton's third way failed miserably. It killed off the Jesse Jackson wing of the Democratic Party and, despite its undivided control of the party apparatus, delivered nothing. Nothing, that is, except the loss of Congress, the perpetuation of the muddled Democratic "message," a demoralized and moribund party base, and electoral defeats in 2000, 2002 and 2004.

And therein lie Hillary Clinton's biggest problems. She epitomizes the "insider" label of the early crowd of 2008 Democratic contenders. She's part of the Clinton machine that decimated the national Democratic Party. And she remains surrounded by many of the old consultants who counsel meekness and caution. James Carville, the famed longtime adviser to the Clintons, told Newsweek last week, "The American people are going to be ready for an era of realism. They've seen the consequences of having too many 'big ideas.' "

Funny how much he has changed, isn't it? And it's not just him, but everyone over there that is supporting her and defending her taking money from Wall Street and everyone else who now gets to donate to her after Citizens United was passed. She has to take the money so that she can beat Donald and then after she becomes president she will over turn CU. Take it to the bank because of course the ofds of over turning a Supreme Court decision is astronomical.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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Repugs is bad! I had the audacity to criticize! I am a "concern troll," you see.

Kos was right four years ago. Nobody wants an insider. But I don't even think that's her biggest problem any more. Staying away from the people she wants to vote for her, IMO, is her biggest problem.

That Carville quote is hilarious. What were the "big ideas" we were supposedly tired of? In 2008 we hadn't even had the hopey changey thing yet. The big ideas of Bush the Stupid - war and torture? Well yes, we'd like to end those big ideas.

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He's sold us out. Your email address and anything his site trackers can pick up about you is sold to them.

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Sometime last year (I think), you told me on TOP that you had lost all respect for me because I said I wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE if she won the nomination.

I take it you've changed your mind?

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I miss Colorado.

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And she's doing a damn good job at doing it!

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If I were running for President, I would be, you know, campaigning and stuff.

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if she campaigned and talked (lied) her numbers would go even further down. She's not convincing and is obviously an arrogant scary psycho killer You can't judge electoral politics by the assholes that hang out at dkos. It's populated by a freeped manipulated demographic. She's despised, loathed or whatever for good reason. I just read yesterday that Vox, kos's creation, is sinking like a stone. People are just not this stupid regardless of what demographic the polls of mass deception say they are.

Giant Meteor polls better then either of these creepy pols. It cracks me up when the kossack's say that young people and minorities are Democratic. There is also good a reason why people of all demographic's especially young one's will not show up to vote for Hillary or support the Democratic party. Although they are trying to censor and control the media including social the cat's out of the bag and everybody knows.

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agrees with you and that's why she isn't showing her face. But on the talk shows I've seen her on, I think she came across okay. Even a little humorous from time to time.

Talk about obvious arrogant scary psychos, that's also Trump in a nutshell. Yet the more he is on TV, the more his numbers rise. I think she looks and sounds much more plausible than him. I expect her to lie, sure. He lies all the time. People who don't bother fact checking don't care.

Whatever she is, I think people want to see and hear for themselves. And her hiding just convinces them she is lying and/or arrogant.

There are plenty of reasons not to vote for her based on the issues. But she's fighting now for Trump voters, so many aren't the most issues-driven voters in the first place.

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Of one of my favorite Talking Heads songs. Smile

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elmo's picture

for her to chase Republican voters. It makes perfect sense. She's a much more natural fit with the values of those voters than she is with the values of progressive voters. Her foreign policy is neocon, and she's pro big business and favors the wealthy over everyone else. She fits right in with country club Republicans.

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seen. Yes, she fits better over there. But then she can't expect to hold onto the left, despite the concessions in the platform, such as they were.

I live in the middle of the country (Kentucky). I don't think the middle of the electorate is where they think it is. They think it's still between the Dems and the Reps, when in fact most people are to the left of both parties on economic issues. So if she thinks she has the middle votes sewn up, I think she is mistaken. Certainly she hasn't sewn up the left. That's why I think running to the right is a mistake. How many votes is she likely to pull away from Trump or from Johnson? A few establishment Repubs is all I can see. The rest of us still want an economic champion. And something done about climate change, something more than incremental.

But I think the biggest mistake is for her to hide while Trump gives TV interviews (even if by phone) every day. People don't feel like they know who she is. I suppose she's counting on TV commercials to take care of that for her. She has all the money she needs for that, after all. But I don't think it will be enough. Bernie showed how to run like a champion. Her camp knows if they hadn't stolen the votes, the little-known socialist from Vermont would have won. Where are her big rallies? What is her stump speech besides "no Trump"?

I think it's a YUUGE mistake to talk anti-Trump all the time. I'm into anti-Trump myself, but if I were a candidate, I'd be talking issues. She could at least pretend to care. I think she's pretty good in person. Especially since she could get on interview shows where she doesn't have to yell/cough.

We'll see. In any case, I feel we can vote for Stein without guilt, because Hill has given up on us and is courting the right wing.

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as anything she wants to run on at this point

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-- John Lennon

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militarily and policy-wise, it sounds she just can't wait to take over the title of Commander in Chief and show the world that she's just as tough as the boys are. Not to mention, she needs to to keep the MIC happy.

Truth be told, she's just going to recycle Obama's policies which are basically, or in some cases (like drones) worse, warmed-over bush** policies. The Clinton creature and her supporters have completely abandoned any pretense of being 'Democrats' except in name only, of course. The difference between neo-liberals and neocons is that the neocons are honest about who they are and what they want. Neo-liberals are people who who are too cowardly and dishonest to tell the truth about themselves while pushing the same agenda as the neocons.

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I was coming home with npr on and heard a woman giving Bernies stump speech. This scared me a bit BC I figured that Jane had to take over because his voice had give out. Then the woman started talking about blowing things up and realized it was HRC.

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aren't rich enough to get into the country club, and they hate her.

It's a problem.

She's got the donors, but the rank-and-file are questionable.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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and the fact that DK partisans hide rated such a comment says there is nothing reality-based about them.

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If she held her events in 60,000 capacity stadiums, only 200 people would show up, max. She's barely even talked to the media, and is only doing interviews and press conferences now because her numbers are tanking due to the constant drip, drip, drip of the email/Clinton Foundation scandal. She's a terrible candidate, inspires no loyalty, and people are only willing to vote for her because they think that she's the lesser evil. When you purposely position yourself that way and lock people into a false choice, you suppress your own turnout.

Think what you will of Trump, but at least his supporters actually want to vote for him and will turn out to see him speak.

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I may be wrong, but I don't get the sense that there is much of a GOTV being worked on the Clinton side. Maybe paid state staff is doing that. Rather, it seems Clinton is relying on what I call Get Out The Money (GOTM) as the major key factor in winning the election. Trump with his rallies is helping the cause of his GOTV, as in if you can get people to attend rallies, that will translate to voters going to the polls. Also, Trump has a built-in GOTV in that hatred of Hillary will get people out to just to vote against her.

I got the sense from TOP that Hillary will win because they expect extremely high turn out among African Americans, Hispanics, and white women for Hillary. If my read is right, Hillary will not get major turn out like Obama did with minority groups because yes Hillary is uninspiring and the Clinton campaign is relying on money to propel her to victory.

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she could fill a 60,000 stadium for a cool $3 mil, with plenty to spare for ads. Good optics. She also has better stars. Just get Bruce or Beyoncé to give a concert and lock the doors. Wink

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I would hope Bruce would never agree to hold a concert for her.

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North Carolina. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/bruce-springsteen-concert-german...

He did play for Clinton when Sanders was there too, http://www.app.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/07/12/clinton-sanders-... (caution - effing loud autoplay ad at the link, about gave me a heart attack!). I have a feeling he likes her compared to Trump. Then again, doggy doodoo is likable compared to Trump.

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Think what you will of Trump, but at least his supporters actually want to vote for him and will turn out to see him speak.

I agree, Hillary should not be underestimating the Trump supporters.

There is another dynamic here that I might not be articulating well, but I will try. HRC's constant put downs to Trump and his supporters has the potential to create sympathy for them, and in a strange way to cause voters to identify with them as the underdog.

The demeaning way she blew off the flood victims that Donald visited and brought food to, was another example of how Trump has lately been more tuned in to the people.

There is a significant chunk of undecided voters out there, and they could be softening to him just because of Hillary's bullying of him.

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until they win.

Um, they clearly do not believe they are underdogs, so I'm not sure how saying that will assist them.

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I read somewhere that those who study election patterns say that undecided voters tend to lean to the underdog at the last minute. Sorry, can't remember where.

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and pungently unapologetic.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

for POTUS. They both take votes from the Republican nominee. Republicans never mention them. Only Democrats imagine they are entitled to a clear field.

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look really scary for the Democrats.

Too bad Seth Rich (DNC Voter Expansion Project Data Director) isn't around to tell us how much of that was self inflicted.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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is a job killer.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

political reasons.

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The latest polling out of Ohio shows Trump winning by 4% (Quinnipiac).

Florida is either tied (Quinnipiac) or Trump is up by 1% (PPP).

In Virginia, Clinton barely leads by 1% now (Emerson). Two weeks earlier, she was up by 11%.

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for reals, actually, because of NOVA.

If she has constituencies, they reside in two places: metro DC area and mid-town Manhattan.

Well, those are her American constituencies.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

she was that confident of winning. However, after that was announced, I read in a Denver paper that her campaign had denied pulling the ads. So, I'm stumped.

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Supposedly. she pulled ads out of Colorado and Virginia because she was that confident of winning. However, after that was announced, I read in a Denver paper that her campaign had denied pulling the ads.

This inhabitant of the other major media market in Colorado besides metro Denver is still seeing Hillary ads galore on broadcast TV -- and quite a few Trump ones, too.

We're still considered a battleground, which is weird -- this media market, with the sole exception of KOAA-TV's hometown of Pueblo, is pretty reliably Republican. But then, using any reasonable measure, so is Hillary.......

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the primary. The only time I've seen her balk at a label was when Matthews referred to her as a liberal.

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Remember how over at TOP they told us that this didn't matter? That it didn't reflect an enthusiasm gap, even when the polls said there was an enthusiasm gap? Remember how we were told that it would not effect the general election?

And since I worked early voting in my state this year, even in my Blue town, I watched Red voters turn out in increased numbers over 2008 and decreased numbers for Dems.

In 2008, our county Dem convention had 8500 participants. In 2016, they reported that 2000 registered for it - I believe fewer than 1000 actually showed up. I live in a still-not-as-purple-as-folks-had-hoped by now state. I do not anticipate that we add more blue to our hue this year.

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…Independents — it makes sense mathematically that the Democratic Party numbers would contract significantly.

Actually, the Independents showed themselves out when Hillary entered the "race". She was always a no-go for this largest segment of affiliated voters.

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Me and my family are Demexiting as soon as we get around to it (I & boyfriend stayed in to vote Grayson).

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

In a comment over at WoTB, in a response to why Hillary was dividing groups up, I found several years of exit polls for the presidential elections.

In both 2000 & 2008 (no incumbent), Rs won whites and Ds won A-As.

Whites made up 74% of the electorate, A-As 13%.

In 2000, Rs won ~9 million more white votes than Ds. But A-As split something like 90/6 D, and Ds won 10 million more votes than Rs. (Hispanic & Asian votes are a much smaller % of voters, and the R/D split us much more even than A-As, although Ds do win them). This allowed Ds to win the popular vote (but not the electoral college because it's actually 51 separate elections. Distribution of the votes matters.).

Dems wouldn't win if it wasn't for the A-A vote. That's why TOP goes on about the minority vote.

What this analysis really pointed out was what a shitty deal A-As get from the Ds for their votes.

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Non-Hispanic whites accounted for 57% of the 16 million new eligible voters who turned 18 between 2012 and 2016. By comparison, racial ethnic minorities – who make up 31% of the electorate – accounted for 43% of new eligible voters born in the U.S. who turned 18....

While the U.S. electorate is growing more diverse, there’s a caveat when it comes to the impact of these changes: the relatively low voter turnout rates among Hispanics and Asians. In the 2012 presidential election, 64% of non-Hispanic white eligible voters cast ballots, as did 67% of black eligible voters. By comparison, the voter turnout rate was 48% among Hispanics and 47% among Asians.

The demographic advantage is latinos, not AAs.
But latinos don't vote, and that's the problem.

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At least they have an excuse.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Day after day, we post here that the politicians of both parties are now Republicans fiscally and neocons on "defense." What do you fear?

Republicans have been working, in a very organized fashion, on voter registration for years. That was what the IRS flap was about. I watched the hearings on the television machine. The IRs had been harassed and delaying a bunch of new organizations with Republican or teabagger sounding names that were registering and "educating" voters that seemed to them to be likely to vote Republican. Meanwhile, Democrats had gotten rid of ACORN so fast that the bill had ACORN's name in places, providing the basis for a suit of a bill of attainder.

All Democrats online heard about those hearings was that someone was suggesting that a Democratic President's IRS was being unfair; and they knee jerked accordingly instead of making sure an organization that did the work that ACORN had been doing got into gear. Democratic politicians knew more about those hearings than I did. They did not do diddly about registering likely Democratic voters, though. Ask yourself why they didn't. (For whatsoever a man soweth, that also shall he reap. Or something.)

In any event, my fondest political dream is that both these self enriching parties that sell us out implode spontaneously and simultaneously, being replaced by at least 5 political parties, each of which actually cares how the 99% fare.

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What do you fear?

To wit:

the politicians of both parties are now Republicans fiscally and neocons on "defense."

And that is something to fear, indeed!

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

than as Democrats. Hence, my question to gjohnsit.

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is that many people on this website were once registered Democrats (not all folks here, but a good lot of us). That used to be our Home Team.

So ... I think it's shocking to people that Democrats repeatedly blow their wad in this manner by refusing to cater to the left. It's a fucking bone-headed strategy when the trends for the newer American populations now skew more progressive and more diverse. Millennials abhor lip service, and Hillary Clinton teaches every master class possible on lip service. Millennials also don't give a shit about the parties or party loyalty, either, so there goes that.

No wonder Democrats are getting killed with regards to registration numbers. They have nothing to offer anyone except for rich white people.

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I miss Colorado.

How can a group claim to be "non-political"? Tax exempt because they "educate" the public with their political views? It was a complete sham. And Obama backed down.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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I confess I tend to make up my mind and pretty much stay there, although there was a brief time that I loathed Led Zeppelin. Thought they were too much, too over the top.

So, who is this person who can be persuaded to change their party, to change their vote?

I admit my stance on LGBT issues has changed thanks to persuasion by mostly people here and there at TOP. Their testimony was compelling, and honest, and heartfelt, and so I was swayed. I once disdained gay marriage, thinking "just leave it as it is".

But, for the most part, I am unswayed. John McCain almost swayed me once, the first presidential primary he was in. But you must take a person whole, in toto. Ultimately his support of the usual right-wing causes turned me away, including gay marriage.

So, although I was persuaded to change my stance on some things, I cannot fathom how someone could swing from a Trump to a Clinton. Maybe that is the issue. Maybe the clusterfuck that is our electoral system is the real issue.

Maybe, if we had a better method to elect presidents and senators, maybe then the people can get some representation.

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Bernie is a win-win.

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"I notice that folks are using the term "equal marriage" rather than "gay marriage" these days. I suspect that, in the near term, all marriages will be referred to as "marriage," period. It's good that Americans are moving on."

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It's very dear to me, the issue of gay marriage. Or, as I like to call it: “marriage.” You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not “gay lunch.” I parked my car; I didn't “gay park” it.

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..we are getting there! Marriage it is, then.

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Bernie is a win-win.

I confess I tend to make up my mind and pretty much stay there, although there was a brief time that I loathed Led Zeppelin.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

I prefer a libertarian stance: Limited Led Zeppelin

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Do you think that he will continue the wars in the Middle East and continue to threaten Russia like we know Hillary will do?
Does the president actually decide military matters or has the military, the CIA and the Deep Stste taken over?
Hillary's statement today about her foreign policy and what she did during her time as SOS with Libya, Syria, Ukraine and her original vote on Iraq that started this whole mess tells me exactly what she is going to do if she becomes president.
This article shows all the neoconservatives from the Bush administration that have endorsed her, including Kagan who is advising her on foreign policy now.
http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2016/09/03/1008921the-neocon-in-the-oval-...
This one is about Hillary's national security advisers that are the Who's who" of the warfare state.
https://theintercept.com/2016/09/08/hillary-clintons-national-security-a...
And guess who is back showing his face in public and is also advising Hillary after he gave confidential information to his mistress and instead of joking Chelsea Manning in prison, he got to pay a $100 thousand dollar fine and got to keep both his rank and pension? None other than General David Petrayous.
I don't want to hear Hillary call Snowden a traitor again.
I feel like I'm channeling teacherken when I ask people to read the links I provide, but please do do.
I don't know what Trump will do on foreign policy. He says that he wants to kill the terrorists and their families, but isn't that what the US has been doing for 15 years?
Funny how when the US says that its spreading freedom and democracy, or protecting people from the dictators that are killing their citizens, it ends up killing a lot of people.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

wants him to do, just as HRC will should she win. The trajectory to continue the dissolution of the Middle Eastern countries to make way for Greater Israel will continue apace just as will the US' drive to become the world hegemon in a long march toward a globalized post-Westphalian world.in which corporations replace nation-states as the power players.

The differences between the two candidates once one becomes president will be indiscernable. (Notice how much Obama's administration looks like a continuation of Bush/Cheney's?)

There is no Left. There is no Right. There's just Us (the 99%) - and Them (the 1%).

All these ideas.of differences among the 99% are nothing more than the execution of the extremely effective Roman method of divide and rule.

Least that's what I think, snoopy.

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Only connect. - E.M. Forster

to accurately predict what Trump's foreign policy would be. Firstly, because he has no history of governing whatsoever, and secondly because whatever he might say or promise to do, would not necessarily correspond with what he actually intends to do. In spite of all his bombast, he's not an easy man to read. I would expect a certain amount of sheer chaos in both the Pentagon and the State Department.

If he were to get too far out of line, he'd meet stiff resistance from within the National Security establishment. I don't think Trump is strong enough to override the collective will of those guys. On the other hand, it's just possible that he is foolhardy enough to think that he can. In which case he'd better watch his back.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Both candidates have demonstrated dangerous, monomaniacal tendencies, but probably only Hillary would have the ability to see her ambitions through to completion.

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native

In Dallas.

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Solidarity forever

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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I have my doubts. On the other hand, she has a stable of vote-riggers, so it likely will not matter.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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if we had money to move and somewhere to run

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

necessarily the same very bad things; and Congress will let him or her do very bad things, perhaps even enable.

I do not fear election day because we've been down so long, it looks like up to us and freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose and nothing ain't worth nothing, but it's free.

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Almost everybody in DC's on their knees to her power.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

...is that he locked his focus on the oligarchy and on class issues and kept it there. And of course the DNC really, really, really, really does not want to talk about any of that AT ALL. Might get the little people all riled up, so let's just go on about glass ceilings. Nice and safe.

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