So, that's how Pres. Obama sees us all?

Damn mistake to go through the recent diary list on dailykos. Of course I had to sneak into one that got over 1000 comments (huzzah Markos, it's good for your business, congratulations).

I am honest here, that was a diary and comment thread, which makes me want to move to a place somewhere over the rainbow. You expect me to write a real essay about it? No, I can't, I am just too tired of life in the "incrementalist's dream world". I rather go fishing.

See for yourself:
This is the diary in question. Obama's critique of Sanders.
This is the commencement speech Obama gave at Howard University, one of the oldest and most famous universities populated by Afro-Americans. Obama's Commencement Speech at Howard (including transcript).

Of course I haven't even read the whole diary, nor listened to the speech in full. (But I will)

Just to give you a taste of why I wanted to create a record of that speech and that TOP's diary here (from the diary). Note that what is blockquoted as a Obama quote is taken from the diary. I didn't check the transcript of the speech yet to verify these are his real words, or in what context he said it):

But, the president reminds the young graduates, shifting from righteous idealism to pragmatic action requires patience — as well as an acceptance of incrementalism...
Inherent in the concept of incrementalism is the concept of compromise. The guiding light is not whether you’ve righteously denounced “the whole rigged system.” It’s whether you’ve made the system better.

OBAMA:
You know what? I will take better every time. I always tell my staff, better is good because you can consolidate your gains and then you move on to the next fight from a stronger position.

Those who pile on to popular cynical narratives effectively handicap our agents of change. Cynicism only breeds more cynicism — which undermines progress, leading to further cynicism.

When we righteously insist that “the system” is totally fucked up (rather than needing repairs, as per usual), we are not only doing the Right’s political bidding, we are succumbing to a “catastrophizing” mindset. There’s always work to be done, but…

OBAMA:
I tell you this because it is important to note progress. I tell you this not to lull you into complacency but to spur you into action. Because there is still so much more work to do, so many more miles to travel.

Pointing out things that have gotten better doesn’t always come naturally to Democrats. But failing to do so (and succumbing to a catastrophizing mindset) is a political failure.

In short, says our president, there’s certainly a place for blazing rhetoric, but it needs to be balanced with pragmatic, messy, imperfect action.

OBAMA:
We remember Dr. King's soaring oratory. The power of his letter from a Birmingham jail. The march he led. But he also sat down with President Johnson in the Oval Office to try to get the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act passed. And those two bills were not perfect, just like the Emancipation Proclamation was a war document as much as it was some call for freedom. Those milestones of progress were not perfect, and they do not make up for centuries of slavery, Jim Crow, or eliminate racism or provide 40 acres and a mule. But they made things better.

All that came to my mind glancing over the diary and the Obama quotes in it was wondering about what Frederick Douglass would have said to that kind of approach. Apparently asking more than the bread crumbs of incrementalism's results to the point that people despairingly resort to cynical remarks about it, is an absolute "NO NO".

So, after Sanders has worked his whole life within the system, compromising and caucusing with the Democrats his whole life, he is now being attacked, because he asks for something more than " incrementalism"? Don't you dare use the words "political revolution' ... that's radical ... that's a NO NO ... says the President, really?

Ok, I take a walk. It's a beautiful day outside. I can't stand this stuff anymore.

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importer's picture

in line. That promise that they are going to get to that Utopian world, if we just keep electing D's or R's. The Evangelical crowd still wants abortions outlawed, they stick to the Republicans because that promise is out there, somewhere, they'll get there.

Dem's are a little tougher, we have so many goals, but we are lead down the primrose path time and time again with the promise that we will get there with universal health care, gun control whatever it is that motivates you to get out and vote.

The trick is just never getting there.

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is another persons defeatism.

Barack Obama's crowning achievement is ACA. A Republican plan that props up the private insurance industry with mandated corporate welfare. This was enacted at a time when we had a Democratic Congress. Medicare for all was more than achievable and Obama surrendered it before negotiations began.

Are we better off under ACA vs. no ACA ? yes. Will we have to wait years, even decades for healthcare for all Americans ? Probably. Maximizing positive outcomes is the goal of any organization. "Incrementalism" embraces defeat as much as success.

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It is far more beneficial to Big Pharma, but yes, it keeps for profit insurance companies in existence.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

Some minimal policies under the ACA are up 25% this year - that's a big jump in my book.

I honestly don't know if the ACA is better than nothing. It halved the uninsured number which is good but with Medicare For All we'd have gone to zero.

The ACA is all about insurance first and the delivery of health care services a distant second. I think having the ACA makes it harder for the USA to institute a rational health care system.

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I nearly had a heart attack at the increase in my insurance thru my gov't job. Mine was over $150 a pay period more expensive, although we took it down from "family" to employee +1. Oh... and it covered less. In fact, as much as I commended it a few years ago when I had two separate major surgeries back-to-back, I have to rale against it now with their drug formulary. Never before have I been left out on my own where drug costs are concerned. Today, two drugs I have to take are not covered at all on the formulary. Lyrica, for my fibromyalgia, I'll get for $25 a year thanks to the Pharma's "pusher" deal. After that, who knows?

The other drug is "Hysingla ER." This is an extended release form of hydrocodone (without the nsaid) that's in a non-crushable tablet form. It works like a dream once you find the level you need. Of course, most of us chronic pain sufferers are going to need 60-80 mg tablets for it to be effective. I use a 20 or a 30 mg tablet, dependent upon our finances, because I can't afford the dosage I need - my insurance company doesn't even recognize this drug as existing! The dosage I need would cost us close to $700-$800 month. The 20mg is almost $300/month! But I take it and try to fill in the gaps with one of the very few hydrocodone/ACAP they'll give me now.

I'm glad there are more people with insurance and I hope they have the money for the copay to the doc. But if they need more than an aspirin, they're probably not going to be taking what they need when they need it in the way the doctor ordered. It's just too damned expensive. And this will end up putting them on a "non-compliant" list.

I can't help but feel my insurance cost has been increased and benefits decreased simply because it IS a government policy. I've never had a jump like this in cost/benefit decrease in all the years prior to this... only small, incremental amounts. I think the insurance companies exploited the "public servants" idea a bit too much in their favor this year, and we're a "captive audience."

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**Typo Correction**

it's practically all Group Insurance plans--including private industry.

That was the primary goal--spread the costs, and strip benefits down for most everyone who had the good fortune to be enrolled in a decent health insurance plan.

In that, the ACA succeeded.

I'm a federal retiree, BTW. So, I'm not at all unsympathetic to what you're saying. You know, one of the biggest misconceptions for decades, has been that rank-and-file federal government employees are 'given' excellent health insurance coverage. That's never been true--unless you paid a substantial monthly premium. Of course, we did always have quite a number of plan options, which some folks didn't have.

Never mind that our lawmakers, and SCOTUS justices have the equivalent of single-payer health insurance.

Why should they care how lousy the ACA is?

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It's nice to know there's another Fed Employee, even tho retired. I hope to reach that state one day. Worked for decades as contract, before they made my current position GS a few years ago. Same work as I was doing as contractor, only now doing it at 2/3 of the pay. But still, I was glad to stay for the job security and the insurance. Not long afterwards, we had our first gov't shutdown, and no pay increases at all. It always seems to go off course just when -I- join in the fun!

I'm the proverbial -- if it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all -- kinda person! (LOL)

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They are much worse off, and forget the increments. Obama does not have any "accomplishments".

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somewhere there where those other people live....

I would never vote for anyone, who is going to continue the drone wars overseas. I just don't get what the US is thinking they are doing. US foreign policy for me is the main issue I base my opinion on about the Democrats and Republicans. If they don't stop it, there is no way the can get support from me. Nada.

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since I use the laptop that happens too often. Sometimes it seems the comment posts without me doing anything.

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He has made them richer in so many ways. And that is the legacy that he wants HRC to continue.

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If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

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land when that puppy was voted in. It has helped a few, but it is leaving a very bad taste in the mouths of many. Those who haven't signed up because it is still too expensive for those who don't qualify for the lowest premiums are now facing bigger and bigger penalties every year on their income tax returns. So they are between and rock and a hard place.

Many find that the deductibles are very large, and would bankrupt them, with or without ACA. A lot of clinics won't see a person who would appear to have some real problems, they are sent immediately to the ER, where the initial bill runs to several thousand dollars. All three of my sons have experienced this in the last few years. The first words out of the mouth of the billing people is how are you going to pay for this? When asked how much it will cost, they are told, no one will know until after the fact! How do you plan for that kind of crap?

The insurance companies are complaining mightily that they just can't make enough money under ACA. I'm not sure where they're going with that, other than higher premiums and more gov. subsidies.

If anything, by going this route, they have made people more suspicious of healthcare options. I don't know that it is a net plus that will get us to universal healthcare. One way would be to lower the eligibility age for Medicare, INCREMENTALLY. Allowing people 55 and up, to apply for Medicare at a small percentage rate would be a real start. Medicare payroll deduction is .0145 per employee, matched by .0145 by employer. A small bump in this rate, with the possibility of dropping private health insurance for both would be a viable way to go.

I have never understood why big corporations cry the blues about "having" to provide healthcare while slamming universal health care at the same time. We have lost manufacturing to Canada and other countries who provide healthcare, it is a big expense at this point, my last employer was spending 20% of payroll on healthcare and that was 2008.

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Unless you qualify for medicade. Then in most states if you die they will seize your estate. I have a friend here on the Olympic Peninsula who is in that spot. Her father was injured in a work accident. Together they made a go of a farm they inherited. He died, now the state wants the money from his half of the farm.

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For the last couple of years as I meet the ridiculous requirement in a state without Medicare expansion that I make more than 12 grand yearly for a family of one but not a heck of more than that so I do get huge subsidies right now, who knows about the future though I am lucky enough to be eligible for Medicare later this year. How sad that people are glad they are older. I also understand that if I make less than 12gs then if I qualified for Medicaid I would have to pay it back or my heir would if I still own my house and property. The ACA is also a huge pain in the ass complication with doing taxes if you're receiving subsidies. The next fuck up coming according to friends is trying to get off it when Medicare kicks in.

So yes I'm grateful for how it has benifitted me, I also realize that I'm in a pretty narrow group. Even with all the subsidies 100% paid by the federal government the few companies offering plans are crying about losing money and aren't offering individual policies anymore. It's almost pointless to decide if it is a good or a bad thing because it's changing so fast and in unknown ways. If I was the president I'm not sure I would want in in my legacy.

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Start checking with your state now as there may be some surprises in store. I have both Medicare and Medicaid, and they are both rather limited. The state Medicaid here pays for my Part B Medicare, so I am very lucky there (as long as I get the paperwork in on time). Otherwise, that would cost me over $100/month.

Medicare, unless you buy another Part something (C or D, not sure as I cannot afford it), does not include vision, dental and some other things that become real necessities as you age. Medicaid in my state will pay for glasses once a year but with limitations. If I want progressives (no line and better sight), I have to pay an extra $90. They will also pay for dentures, but here I have to go to a dentist who had an office in a shopping mall and go six months with no teeth at all to get it done.

And whatever you do, stay on top of that paperwork!! It gets very costly even if it is the state's screw up.

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and I have to say that the author of the dailykos diary to use that speech to say Obama criticizes Sanders with it, is full blown baloney. The quotes the author of that diary used were never used by Obama to kick Sanders in the behind.

That's an example of fierce manipulation. Obama addressed some young college graduates and what he said was very appropriate to the occasion and for the audience.

There were many paragraphs in that speech that are completely in compliance with political goals Sanders has articulated.
How that guy (Petey2) uses that speech to make it as if Sanders criticizes Sanders is just fucking manipulative bullshit.

Now you know why I banned myself from that place. It's just too annoying to read that stuff.

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psychological projection

Projection of general guilt: Projection of a severe conscience is another form of defence, one which may be linked to the making of false accusations, personal or political.

As an armchair psychoanalyst I'd say the author's inner guilt for supporting Hillary leads to continually attacking Sanders, even when there is no reference to Sanders.

The author also is exhibiting a need to be accepted by the (GOS) community (a group which largely mirrors the author's guilt and emotional disabilities).

EDIT: SEE ALSO "Trying to Understand Clinton Support" (at Reddit)

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To me, is looked more like he was kicking BLM than Sanders.

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of a rewarding afterlife. The medieval world view was that sure, the aristocracy get their rewards in this life, but if you keep your head down and keep working and conform you'll get your reward in the next life. After you die. When you're dead. As in fucking never.
It's based on faith. Faith that there's a future. If not for your physical body, then for your spirit. If not for you, then for your kids, or their kids. Someday. Way out there. Not now. Never now. Later.
For those of us without kids that particular rhetorical technique doesn't work. Single payer generations from now is identical to no single payer.
As far as climate change is concerned, there is no future for anyone without rapid, radical, revolutionary change. The window for modest, incremental change that doesn't disrupt the status quo closed 70 years ago.

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"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone

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... but never jam today."

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He's extended the War OF Terror and his drone assassination program to more corners of the earth; he's bombed seven Muslim countries and started 3 more illegal wars; he's on the verge of his signature economic goal, the TTP; he's implemented austerity measures on the serfs; he's strengthened the intelligence and security industrial complexes as well as the prison industrial complex; he's overseen the largest increase of the national debt in history; he's insured no measures have gone forward to fix any of the wealth and income inequality; and he's institutionalized the corporate money first health and pharmaceutical industries with his Obamacare.

He's also shown the world the full potential of what a fraud and liar the American President can be. It just goes to show if you keep fighting for the ruling class, you will make incremental progress.

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would have used Obama's speech to rebut and refute the rosy picture Obama presented to the college kids as misleading
and would have used a Joe Shikspack-style fact based rebuttal diary for it, all would be fine.

I wouldn't have had anything to say against it, but that's not what the author did. He used it (without having enough factual quote evidence from that speech), to say "kids, it is bad, don't ask too much in revolutionary changes, don't act out, restrain your impatience and sarcasm, because that's what Bernie Sanders asked for and it's not right". That's disingenuous.

I don't defend Obama's achievements or refuse to see the lack of them or the lies promoted by Obama's supporters, but just point out how damn bad you can be to use some tiny quotes out of an hour long speech (that had a specific audience and purpose) to promote your own agenda to bash your disliked political opponent using "authoritative" words by "the commander in chief" as justification to do so. Nobody would dare to question the President, right? Wrong.

It's that aspect of the diary which I criticize, especially because it was done quite "well". It sounded really reasonable. I guess the author didn't think that people actually could listen to the whole speech and make up their own mind of it. x

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I couldn't be more shocked. History will not be especially kind to Barack Obama, probably not least for paving the way for President Hillary. The entire DLC phase of Democratic Party history will probably be viewed as akin to late 19th century Robber Baron era corruption. Until we elect a Teddy Roosevelt to start a new progressive age, though, nobody in the Beltway is going to see it that way.

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They're right-wing reactionaries.

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"there's something so especially sadistic about waving the flag of a country that you're actively destroying" -- Aaron Mate

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I agree with that whole heartedly. The reaction has set in against unions and union organizing; the reaction has set in so that the wealth gap not only is ignored but seen as a positive benefit from the meritocracy; the reaction has set in against women having control over their bodies; the reaction has set in against any vestige to the right of privacy and the Fourth Amendment; the reaction has set in over any real control over the war powers of the President....etc

At least Bill Clinton left office with the USA basically at piece and living within our(bubble inflated) means....Obama is a continuation of W Bush in most respects.

Identity politics is a deadend which keeps those in control of the political economy in control. If you're not talking about class based politics you are not being serious about righting the wrongs of our society. The Wealthers operate with class based awareness; wage earners and those who want to be wage earners need to reject identity politics and fight class against class.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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the manipulative tool to criticize those, who dare to question Obama's political "achievements" and enforce self-censorship upon them, will fade away. Who would understand years from now that people were supposedly racist if they were not agreeing with Obama's policy decisions and therefore didn't speak up? It could even be that those who didn't speak up because they were manipulated enough to shut up, will one day be seen ... you know... as "enablers". As a "Good German" I can tell you, it isn't the nicest place to be in. But what the heck. We will just gloss over the facts and try to muddle along. Again. Sigh.

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new purity.

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dfarrah

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wash your hands before each meal and after and at least three times in between, we need pure hands out there. just getting silly again. Sorry.

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He lied. His campaigns, both of them, were lies. Like pedophile, he isolated our youth from their DFH parents so he could use them and lose them. In many ways, I find him dirtier than the Clintons.

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if you look at the facts (as you can read most of them in the EBs every day) there is almost nothing left that is not or was not a lie, promoted by all parties, presidents and political figures and candidates basically since the nineties.
Show me one, who has been not. I can't get myself into the struggle of deciding who was the worst liar, as all of them were involved. I don't know who I think is worse of a liar, both Clintons or Obama and whose lies had worse effects on the American and world citizens. I think Obama's lies (and unkept promises) were worst, because people didn't expect them and were lulled into believing him by his charming words that made the people forget the truth. Hillary Clinton's lies trickled into the citizens conscience slowlier, but once recognized they were very harsh and upsetting. I think it's a matter of style how you present lies. Some people kind of hate Obama's lies more, because he displays them lightheartedly, with a little bit of condescending humor and wrapped up in good sounding wisdom quotes for the consumption of kids and moms and dads. Hillary Clinton lies are kept secret, are mean and when they come out show a very scary persona and policy agenda. That's why I can't get hot over who is worse and who is the more dangerous cheater etc.

If I were an American citizen today, could vote and with what I know now, there wouldn't even be a discussion in my mind to compare Obama versus Clinton versus all Republicans. Honestly all of them would be unacceptable for me to vote for. And I just don't want to waste my nerves beating myself up in beating them up.

Right now I could support Bernie and Jill or may be Warren or otherwise none. The system is such a corrupted form of a supposed democracy that politicians can't stay honest, can't stay away from being corrupted and can't fight fairly, no matter for what kind of goals. As the US has to have a President, all there is left is vote for Bernie, even if it's clear that he also will not be able to go without compromising.

Just can't read all that beat-up someone for something over the head anymore. I hope it's over soon.

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and no "hanging chads."

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http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/08/us/inquiry-spreads-on-6-children-and-c...

Did investigations ever lead anywhere? Do a web search on “Finders cult children CIA” (without quotes) . . . yuck! it’s like turning over a rock. You think, do I even want to know about this?

Some sources see a grand worldwide network (cough, “conspiracy,” cough) at work here, with connections to the Franklin scandal (with the June 29, 1989, 8-column page one Washington Times headline about callboys in the Reagan-Bush White House), the Dutroux case in Belgium years ago, and the more recent Jimmy Savile stories that have tarnished the British establishment.

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Surely he can see that during the last six years there hasn't even been incremental progress on any domestic issues. We have gridlock, and without something major changing (like, say, a political revolution) we can look forward to only more gridlock in the future.

He tried being reasonable, listening, and being willing to compromise. Didn't work! So his plan is to keep on doing what has failed for six years?

I can understand that it is really hard for him to admit that his political philosophy was a failure, but it was.

We voted for him because we wanted change, and we still want it. What he is suggesting isn't going to bring it about. We have six years of proof of that.

We have to try something different.

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Even the smallest person can change the course of the future

Old movies tended to show donkey pulling wagons with a carrot dangled just out of reach. It is thus with the Democratic Party, and has been since FDR died, with the exception of JFK. We know what happened to him!

The Democrats have promised change for the better all of my life. When they are called upon to deliver, somehow that carrot isn't on the string anymore. Did some Republican need it for a salad?

The empty promise of change is to ensure that the only real increase in the lives of those lied to about changes is in the number of steps (election votes) taken in pursuit of that which is kept just out of reach but never out of view. We drag the wagons, but receive no reward for doing so. And we can't understand why Republicans sneer at us with smug disdain!

Obama is an excellent example of a mule driver. How many times has he promised, and how many times has he failed to deliver? How often has he joined the sneering at us when we complain about how a moderate 1985 Reagan Republican isn't walking his talk? He did his job, now he expects to have his LIEbury built no matter what the people living around UofC want.

It would be poetic justice if his carrot gets yanked out of reach right as he expects it to be given!

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

All that comes to mind, when I hear the word 'incremental' is that I am very grateful that our revolutionary forefathers didn't use that approach, or perhaps we would still be 'the colonies. No battle is easy, but taking a hill then backing down doesn't get the job done. Take a look at the corrupt war in Viet Nam, and the more recent ones in the middle east for evidence of how it doesn't work. Bernie or bust!!

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