Open Thread Monday 07-27-2015
Monday morning humor: The Wrapping Department
"Let er roll."
Monday morning headlines
Turkey and US create safe zone from ISIS, NYT. The irony of calling a dead-man's land a safe zone. Chinese market still diving, 8%. WAPO: Puerto Ricans could change the political calculus in the biggest of all swing states, Florida.
"Turkey has said its military is not targeting Syrian Kurds, after Kurdish forces and a monitoring group said tanks shelled Kurdish-held villages in northern Syria." ?? the truth, Aljazzeera.
NPR, permafrost in danger from fires?
Headline not found: Bernie Sanders enjoys most exuberant crowd thus far; bringing a packed house of 4,500 to their feet many times in a New Orleans suburb.
Monday morning music by Jacques Brel
The Middle Class
"They're just like pigs, the fatter they get the less they regret."
Old people, love
La Fanette
Crowned with laurels.
Do not leave me
In the port of Amsterdam
The One Percent
Worth a watch for the expression of the croquet playing lady around 2:58
A moment for WisePiper...
He has walked on.
Comments
Have a great day!
I can't listen to the music without crying
and I am pretty much a mess thinking about a lot of things. How do you get over negativity? May be I can say it here, but the passing of WisePiper gets at me, because I believe dying should be a matter of God's decision, not ours. And the moment I feel like that I hate myself, because it shows that I can't imagine the amount of pain people can live in and see that their step to end their lives is a courageous and heroic one. I am always soo conflicted in my feelings, it's going to kill me one day.
Thanks for the french songs. I just cry like crazy, because it reminds me of times I loved the French more than us Germans. I am also conflicted to see what is happening in Germany again. I was kind of happy to see that there was reconciliation between Germans and French people. Now all is going down the drain again. Germany is going to be a mess. Europe is falling apart. Disputes everywhere. I hate the stupidity, the racism, the egocentricity and then I love people. I am such a mess.
I am completely lost today. Just told someone, who posted imo the most disgusting theme into a diary, that I am done with dailykos, if something like this can be posted. I think I am done with a lot of stuff, but then there is so much emptiness and anger about wasted time and lost opportunities and human failure all around, I can't get myself together.
Ok, sorry, this site is supposed the cry-out misery stuff.
Phewww... Sometimes I don't know how to get over my life and myself. I need probably be prevented from reading online. My son said yesterday to me that the crux is that you know all the shit from around the world everywhere and it's hard to pretend and have hope or faith in something positive. With that you can't go on. So how do you keep up your hope and discipline?
https://www.euronews.com/live
mimi, so glad you are here this morning...
I was getting lonely. My depression comes and goes, driven mostly by health conditions I used to not have; always been a let's go type personality. Talked with my oldest friend last night and he's suffering from vertigo; and unfortunately the vertigo is impacting his thinking; I've been quiet about saying to him that I noticed, but thankfully he said as much last night and he also said it was depressing him. Truth in that old statement that growing old ain't easy.
I used to love singing In the Port of Amsterdam, it fit my range perfectly. I hope the tears the music brings are sweet ones.
Maybe my thought of this weekend will give you a laugh. When I read that Ted Cruz had called McConnell a liar; I wondered why editors chose to headline it as it is certainly very old news.
The net will do that
to the best of us mimi. It seems particularly vitriolic these days. Reactionary perhaps to the death, chaos and misery that comes whenever the psychotic Visigoth's, the global 'oligarchical collectivists' are let loose with no restraint to pillage kill and generally destroy anything in their viscous path to ruling the world. I have faith and hope in the positive. These fuckers always say they are inevitable and people have always had to deal with their inhumanity and insanity. At this point your love of people is needed. Just 'don't follow leaders and watch the parking meter's' Angers okay you'd have to a sociopath not to be angry.
Maybe take a break from kos and forget about partisan politics or democracy being a solution at this point as the vandals stole the handles. The gatekeepers are out with their knives and they take to the net to spew their strange tainted views, they are feed by the media a constant diet of hate, fear and played against each other so they won't come together and stop this viscous cruel destructive 'world as we find it'.
Listen to some uplifting music it's a good remedy that offers the best side of people's spirits. As for Wise Piper, I think perhaps we all are made of god/spirit or whatever and his decision is therefore inseparable from the spirit within and without that lives in us all. We all are keepers of the spirit not pawns of a higher authority. It helps me love people/ nature as we are not passive creatures at the whim of some great decider be it human or divine.
Good morning Mimi and Smiley
I didn't know WisePiper, and I didn't read all the diaries about his passing it. From what I gather, he was surrounded by people that cared about him and in charge till the end. Including him in our thoughts today was a considerate thing to do.
I am sorry that you are so depressed, Mimi. If you believe that death is god's decision, you shouldn't feel bad about it. You also shouldn't feel guilty because you respect the beliefs and choices of others. Being a sensitive and emotional person is tough. Generally speaking, males are conditioned from birth to overcome it. Women, oth, usually end up learning it later in life and the hard way. Not wearing your heart on your sleeve is a good thing, and it sounds like you are working on it. Sharing your feelings with us is what pals are for.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I went back to dkos. WisePiper's diary was still up.
Having buried several people I loved, I know death can be a blessing. WisePiper sounds like a man loved by many and at peace with his decision. Darksyde once said that we are all made from star dust and comet water. I thought it was a beautiful and comforting thought.
“The atoms of our bodies are traceable to stars that manufactured them in their cores and exploded these enriched ingredients across our galaxy, billions of years ago. For this reason, we are biologically connected to every other living thing in the world. We are chemically connected to all molecules on Earth. And we are atomically connected to all atoms in the universe. We are not figuratively, but literally stardust. We are in the universe and the universe is in us.” ~ Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
my belief that it should be God to decide over life and death
is the basis of my passionate opposition to the death penalty. I thought a lot about forgiveness and how hard it is, when you suffered under a difficult relationship. My son and I go through grieving over a father, husband and all around man in our lives, which was an extremely difficult one and truthfully an unhappy relationship. Yet we lasted. How do you get closure over it? Both of us have moments of being able to forgive and forget, just to be followed by pop up of other feelings of guilt, shame and anger and not understanding our own life we went through. It's very hard to mourn over a difficult relationship that lasted so long and somehow felt as it never ended.
I also can't find relief in any kind of grieving counselling, because there are multicultural, multiracial and multi-quasi-religious issues involved and so far I don't believe I can handle anything what other people might say, as I immediately find things that are just not right or true. I can't expect people to have experiences they never went through. Same way as I can't go through things like childhood abuse or deeply painful disablities and diseases and how they affect someone's thinking of other people's lives, so I am always aware of our limitations to understand each other. And that then leads me to a kind of lonely, depressive point.
But I guess it comes and goes and floats around. I hope I can forget. I can forgive others, but it's hard to forgive yourself. I guess I use you now as my grieving, mourning counselor. Shouldn't do that.
I blame it on the french singer. It's from times of my younger years.
Thank you both, smiley and dkmich for your kind words.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Been thinking on this reply of yours most of the day...
you are a jewel to us on c99 and kos; always bringing credible insights often missed by others, asking why or pointing to a better road. Take heart good friend, and be.
thanks, smiley, had a bit of a weak spot this morning
but these french songs can make you cry, can't they? The got to me. Way back in the days the French were way less prejudiced towards biracial kiddos in schools than the Germans. I loved them for that and put my son through french kindergarden and elementary school in first to third grade. It turned out to be one of my worst decisions that harmed my son for a long, long time, so I get a bit disturbed thinking of those days back. Won't forget it. But it's over.
Now I take heart and run away with it...
https://www.euronews.com/live
Hi mimi, the Dutch have a singer like that, Ramses Shaffy.
Someone wrote that in the Seventies everyone in the Netherlands of any gender had a crush on Ramses Shaffy. Nowadays Shaffy's songs evoke nostalgia for one's youth (Dutch: "jeugdsentiment") among people of a certain age range.
Good Morning dkmich...
Thank you for your kind words.
Downstairs, about 10 feet from my entrance on main street is a concrete memorial to my old acting buddy; his career included early live television. A Screen Actor's Guild Star, just like the ones on the sidewalk in Hollywood sits on top of the memorial. Been there many years now. I was fortunate to be a part of its instillation.
He was as truthful on stage and screen as Spencer Tracy, the most well-read person around and generous to a fault.
Having the great pleasure of working with him, we talked a lot; especially about spiritual things and philosophy. A special conversation which continued with him as I was nearing middle-age concerned reincarnation. I had read most of Joseph Campbell's work as had my friend and Campbell was a good focal point for our discussion.
Overtime, I grew to appreciate my friend's interpretation of this magic of life. He said "We are here on this earth to get better and when we walk on, we will come back and begin where we left off and do it all again with the same challenge to get even better. He'd smile and say "genetics, evolution" and laugh.
I take heart in my old friend's wisdom; finding comfort in the butterfly in all of us.
Now back to the getting better part, I've got work to do.
China's stock market crashes 8.5% today
The crash resumes
The Chinese government has painted itself into a corner
Morning gjohnsit...
even more reason to dismiss the neoliberals cry that we need the TPP to contain China, they are doing that job for us.
On another note, would appreciate your thoughts about today's controversy. Did Turkey bomb the Kurds, or not?
No controversy there
Yes, Turkey bombed the Kurds. It's not a secret.
Specifically they bombed the PKK in Iraq. However, the PKK have been working with both Syrian and Iraqi Kurds to fight ISIS.
But back to China, China has been the primary driver for the commodity market for over a decade. Commodities are collapsing around the world because of China slowing down. If they run into even bigger problems because of their stupid decision to prop up a bubble, it could send an economic shock around the world.
Just a smokescreen story, then...
Had doubts when I read this early morning. Turkey: Kurdish forces not targeted in anti-ISIL offensive in Syria: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/7/27/turkey-kurdish-forces-no...
The key words are "in Syria"
They bombed the Kurds in Iraq. The only question is if they will target the Kurds in Syria.
My money says they will.
thanks for clarifying the story...
There were so many stories on the many wars in many papers this morning, they boggle the mind.
In a related headline
The article is specifically about Iraq's Shia militias, but the headline could be about any aspect of the war.
Real U.S. allies in Iraq difficult to identify, experts say
Another huge victory for Syrian Kurds over ISIS
link
The Syrian Kurds are making life Hell for Daesh. The question is if Turkey will allow the Kurds to keep doing so?
The rise of communes in Syria
The article uses the term "local councils", but that's just a euphemism for communes.
link
Morning smiley...
it's still morning here, thanks for another great OT and some great music, my friend. Home for a quick bite then back to work.
Later...
Hi JtC...
glad you enjoyed, Jacques is an old favorite; especially "Alive and well and living in Paris."
All of a sudden no one wants to join the Euro
Imagine that
Czech Republic is putting off joining too.
Big smile here, GT
Read your diary on our "marvelous recovery" on the Satin, well done. I had missed it here.
In the ME, it seems that good ideas get in the way of the neo's wishes. Maybe a modern day Saladin will rise up....or should I say is rising? Richard the Lionhearted was taught a lesson. Thanks for keeping c99 informed.
Good morning everyone
Thanks for the music smiley7. I have never heard Jacques Brel. He was a apparently very popular in 60's. Eric just told me that a Walker Brother, Scott, did an album of Brel covers. (Couldn't write Scott you know who) My granddaughter made me a CD of French pop music old and contemporary. I'm on a Froggy music roll so this was a real treat to hear.
A French pop tune from my youth I loved. I bought this as a single when I was in art school. I was into the wavy. lol. Everything is going well for me, is the loose translation.
Thanks for the OT. The news today looks grim another day of funny money crashing around and endless war with boatloads of refugees from sub Africa landing on the Greek shores and else where. What depresses me more then the news is the threads of hate and misplaced blame all over the net. My theory is that the net brings all the really nasty bigoted authoritarians out from under their rocks. The media even the net catapults the propaganda and the global neoliberal necon's framing of 'the world as we find it' is now not only defended but touted as inevitable and a good thing.
This song is unfortunately as relevant as it was in 1949.
Wow...
"i can see me, now." Recall button
great covers, a gem of a find. Thank you shaharazade!
Sitting upright in my seat now. Passion, blood’s oxygen made of creative strains from the beginning; woven in bursting sound, taking flight—in the night—unveiled in sunshine.
Sublime.
Commonality, my Off-b'way company was associated with Parsons; we performed in its 250-seat house on 13th.
Fell in love with Brel when cast in a production of A&WLP, around '75 in London.
"Isn’t it funny," are we pairs, acquaintances in cyberspace. Mind you one doesn’t have to venture far to find the ugly belly of man on social media.
Big thanks to all, JtC, in particular, for providing this womb of better understanding.
Tell us more about art school.
Cheers.
Doctor's office just called...
my handicap sticker has been approved. "I have arrived."
Frankly, been putting off asking for one, but comes a point when necessity trumps. Somehow, this moment completes a 'Barnaby' circle. "If I have to dig ditches for the rest of my life, I'll be a ditch digger who once had a wonderful day." ~ Thornton Wilder
Nice to have when you need one.
I got a Jones fracture in my right foot. It went on forever: boots, crutches, wheel chairs, hopping. I really appreciated my HC sticker when I had it. Enjoy yours...
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Darn, I tried to save a go pro ad, i failed to do so...
you know, a clip of people living on the edge.
Love this number of Lou Reed's, don't agree with all the lyrics, but the title and melody work.
Good afternoon, smiley and 99%'ers
I have been thinking about Wise Piper all day and how courageous he is to have taken this step. I think it takes a lot of courage and faith to do what he has done. I certainly will miss his wonderful and truly wise comments.
To be honest, I am not sure what i would do in his position. Years ago, I probably would not have even considered it. But I have watched my father deteriorate with Alzheimer's for the last 10-12 years and he continues on in a nursing home (for the last two plus years) where he is incapable of doing anything on his own. He still eats, but his food has to be pureed for him to swallow. He never even opens his eyes at all any more. He has been totally bedridden for about two years and he could go on a lot longer because all his vital signs are still good.
We are fortunate in that the home where my father is staying is locally owned and operated by a couple who live on the premises and she is an RN. He would never have the standard of care he gets there if he was in one of those big corporate owned facilities. We know because he was in one for about six months before we moved him to the locally owned nursing home. I am not sure I would want to put my family through years of debilitating disease. I do not think my father ever thought he would last this long either. It is a tough decision.
it was a nice day here with a cool morning so we walked the dogs over at the college. Then we had a quick rain this afternoon to cool things down again.
Smiley, thank you for this very nice Open Thread diary.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
GG, appreciate the good words....
Hey, been dying to ask: were you pleased with the outcome of the Tour?
Sorry, I have no idea who this person is, or his circumstances.
Would there be a link to a DKos diary, maybe? Or, just the name of a diary, for that matter.
Thanks.
(I don't post there much outside of EB, and/or one or two other Groups, from time to time.)
Mollie
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
My fault Mollie, forgive me....
The background is here and there is more once you link to kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/26/1405910/-Washington-State-Open-...
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1405778/57046976#c49
Thank you, Smiley. What a sweet, kind, and lovely man he
appears to have been--you can see it in his face, and in his eyes.
Actually, I did recognize his signature line, although I don't recall interacting directly with him.
To all of you who knew him, you have my sincere condolences. I am happy that WisePiper was able to go in peace, hopefully without suffering great pain, and surrounded by those he loved.
Namaste.
Mollie
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Not a Chris Froome fan nor
a fan of team Sky, the British team he rides for. So to be honest, I was not pleased as to the winner. I wanted the tiny Columbian, Nairo Quintana this year, but he finished 2nd. He is quite young so he has time. Ironically the Tour was a contest between two climbers, but it was won on a flat stage early in the race.
I was VERY pleased with the race course this year, just as I was with last year's route. The Tour organizers gave us fans something exciting to watch every day. I am far more about watching good racing and seeing young riders and new teams do well and we got that this year. This year was the first year for an African team, MTN Quebeka and they had a stage winner and a rider in the king of the mountains jersey for several stages. He was the first black man to wear one of the top jerseys too. Their team did extremely well for a first year team. So there were lots of good things happening this year.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I did read about the Jersey first. Well done,
they train here often, you most likely know; the climb up Beach Mountain, in particular, and they have followers when they come. Putting that on the calender of to dos, go watch.
They train here too
There is a six mile climb up Caesar's Head from SC to Cedar Mt. here in NC. The grades are steep enough that on my manual transmission car, I use 2nd gear much of the way. Matthew Busche who rode with team BMC in last year's Tour lives here too.
They use that climb in a local ride here each April called the Assault on the Carolinas.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
If we clap really hard, there may be hope for you and me.
I checked it out in a cursory way to see if it was legit. I don't see any Dr. Oz endorsements, so I figured it might be real.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Growing to love you more each day...
as I follow your comments here and on kos and we do have the old experience of the morning thread of Joanne's as a foundation.
But, you are much more intelligent than me, so that's going to take more drugs, for you; smiley writes, smiling from ear to ear.
Smiley, I am so touched by your comment, but
I can't hold a candle to you. We are lucky to have each other and such a nice place to share.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
lucky we are, my friend...
thank you dk!
The possibility always looms over my head, but then I may not have that gene. I still think we are close to a treatment that may help curb the symptoms. I appreciate your sharing this link and I will read it later.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
With some caution, I'm concerned that my friend's
vertigo, ain't vertigo. Hope my joke was received in fun and I didn't cross the line of good taste. If so, not intended.
You are such a kind soul, smiley.
You never cross the line of good taste.
I wish the best for your friend.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Thank you, Smiley, for another delightful OT! A bit
of a (friendly) drive-by today, due to extraneous circumstances, say we say, LOL!
Hey, thoroughly enjoyed the first Brel video, and look forward to listening to the others later this evening. The "Lucy & Vivian" clip was always one of my favorites. Also, I'll make time to re-watch "The One Percent" video. Had no idea it was available on YouTube--we streamed it at Netflix. Definitely a must see! Something for everyone in this OT, Smiley--you outdid yourself!
Anyhoo, just thought I'd ask if anyone has a campaign phone number, or a direct email to a key campaign person for any/all of the Dem Party candidates.
(I've been to Sanders' website, and I didn't find a phone number, or email address to a key campaign aide. Got to check out the other websites. Maybe I shouldn't expect to find that. I know that I was able to call Howard Dean's campaign HQ and get a live person, so I was hoping that I could do the same with all the Dem candidates this campaign cycle.)
The reason that I ask, is that I'm trying to get the stance of all Dem Presidential Candidates on the "Family Glitch" (ACA).
I plan to post on this topic, closer to the Primary Debates, and hope that it becomes a prominent issue for this campaign cycle. Especially since many health insurance premiums are expected to skyrocket in 2016. I've posted an excerpt from a piece on this topic at DKos. When I re-find the article, I'll post it here.
I may also decide to tackle the issue of the skyrocketing cost of prescription drugs, generic and brand name. One of Mister B's maintenance drugs shot up in cost so much, that the vet had to substitute another drug (off label) to treat the chronic condition. (Some of ours have also gone up considerably, but when we finally pay the huge deductible and all of other OOP costs, at least our plan picks them up.)
Mister B's drugs are excluded from his pet insurance policy, since his RX's are for a preexisting condition. But he is a member of the "W Club," so he receives a decent discount on his prescriptions at Walgreens.
Hey, Everyone have a good rest of the day!
Mollie
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Cheers!...
Thanks for being here. Maybe, to your question about contacts: I'm sure Bernie's very small staff is overwhelmed. To my knowledge, they do not, yet, have a live response team and no direct email, either. I could be wrong.
http://imgur.com/1TlFEy4
c99 or kosmail me,
Bernie's crowd in New Orleans last night reminded me of a Friday night crowd in the theatre. In a long comedic run, you just waited for those Friday night patrons; having finished the week's work and ready to raise hell, the biggest laughs of the week. Timing is...
I'll try to listen to a video of it (assuming there is
one available on YouTube, or on his campaign site).
He needs to keep it up. The MSM is obsessing over Trump--he's sucking the oxygen out of the room regarding the coverage of both sides, from what I'm observing. Maybe they (MSM) can get over him (Trump) after the Debate in two weeks, and get back to covering the Dems.
Sigh . . .
Mollie
"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
As asked two Mondays in a row...
where are the headlines of Bernie's packed houses?
Two things, I think i was first to raise hell on kos about the "Blacks won't vote for Bernie," meme. Damn Vox and Bill Clinton's great friend on Salon who originated the BS and Kos himself; who followed the next day, within days of Bernie's roll-out in Burlington. I was livid.
Ran into another disturbing lead about folks co-opting another campaign for money as well, Elmer Gantry, open season.
Not to worry, Bernie knows best.