Oh Dear, It Is Hilarious On The Other Place

The wreck list is overflowing with snark about the owners predictions.

The Front Page counters this with articles on Trump.

Where is Hillary Clinton and the great things that she is saying?

You would have thought since D-Kos already anointed the winner that they would be trumpeting her policies, seems they have nothing to say. Not surprising really.

No it's Trump, Trump, Trump.

I suppose an apt Bumper Sticker if she wins the primary will be:

Vote Hillary Not As Bad As A Republican.

Woot!

Could also be used as the D-Kos Banner along with

Fighting to elect more of the same Democrats

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mouselander's picture

Sure, our candidate sucks, but the Rethug candidate sucks even worse!

Yep, that should get 'em flocking to the polls in droves.

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inactive account

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gulfgal98's picture

worked really well for the Democrats in 2010 and 2014. At this rate, the turnout ought to be below 50% again. If it is Clinton and Trump, it will be two candidates with the highest unfavorables in history. Sounds like a winner. But then I truly believe that the Democratic party simply does not care about winning elections or giving the voters that candidates that would do so.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

MsGrin's picture

than to nominate the most popular and consistent candidate.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

MsGrin's picture

than to nominate the most popular and consistent candidate.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

tapu dali's picture

Governing is hard.
Griping is a cinch.

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

It lost seats all across the country, despite winning the WH against a cardboard cutout.

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Tommymac's picture

just sayin'.

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FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521

pfiore8's picture

if one simply looks at the lack of effort the Dems and DNC have made to help Dem candidates get a foothold in many areas around the country, one could assume the pie has been cut up and the formula is about even so that nobody can do much of anything.

although with all the questions surrounding integrity of our water and food supplies, one wonders if there is any safe place for any of us.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

embrace the lesser suck.

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detroitmechworks's picture

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbIBs0P2t0]

Course, they have to stretch out that one joke to cover an entire election season.

This is why you spend more money on writers and less on focus testing.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Arrow's picture

The 'Boogie man' is coming!

He's going to appoint more Scalia's to the Supreme Court!!!

Run in fear to 'her' (our savior). Run fast now...She will save us!

After all, the 'Boogie man' is coming!!!

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I want a Pony!

MarilynW's picture

only Hillary can beat Trump, so Bernie as a Democratic candidate will lose to Trump.
Short version "support Hillary or get Trump."

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To thine own self be true.

Miep's picture

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Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.

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thanatokephaloides's picture

Hillary who? n/t

You know, the other Trump.....

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Alison Wunderland's picture

Vote Hillary--The Other Trump

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Muddy Boots's picture

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"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett

tapu dali's picture

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Tommymac's picture

but the Dem establishment is well aware of that fact and could really give a rat's ass about it.

It's all about maintaining the status quo for themselves and their Plutocrat masters.

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FEEL THE BERN: "But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing." - Thomas Paine
"Here I Stand, I can do no other." - Attributed to Martin Luther, 1521

Shigeru's picture

of democracy for foreign consumption. Increases sales and provides rationale for bombing brown people.

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or it gets the hose?

. . . I suppose that's a little harsh. If only it weren't what half of TOP actually has begun to sound like.

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Steven D's picture

staring back saying "Don't make me hurt your dog!"

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

snoopydawg's picture

" Hey Hatch, who would you vote for to replace Scalia?"
"Garland"
"Okay, Garland it is".

Jesus, could Obama show who he represents any more blatantly?
Garland is a horrible choice to replace Scalia.

I'm tired of hearing that it's the Supreme Court stupid.

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Shahryar's picture

I just knew Obama would make a stupid replacement pick, just as Hillary would/will.

So, the question is, why doesn't everyone see that? Why do theoretically smart people think it's a good pick just because Obama made it? Ok, "cult of personality" but why? how does that happen? How can it be overcome?

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WaterLily's picture

on FB, with a real-life friend of mine, about this very thing. (It's on FB because we live in different places and see each other seldomly).

He's a big-D Democrat and is in the "party above all else" camp. Which explains his cognitive dissonance for many, many things I won't even bother to list here because we've all heard them from Hillary supporters.

He spends most of his time trying to convince me that I *need* to -- that I *must* -- vote for Hillary if Bernie isn't the nominee. One of his big arguments has been "BUT SUPREME COURT!" I publicly challenged him on Garland's nomination and it's been crickets ever since.

I like to think this means that maybe he's starting to "get it." Though I won't hold my breath.

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NonnyO's picture

I see NO difference between Hillary and the average Rethuglican (see her first positions, not the ones after she plagiarized Bernie and started saying "Ooh, ooh, ooh, me too, me too, me too!").

She's just as conservative as the Rs, and would nominate conservative justices (who would uphold Citizens United and approve of TPP if a suit against them ever got as far as the SCOTUS).

Those alone are NOT good reasons to vote for HRC as the lesser of two evils, in addition to the rest of the long list that should make her ineligible, like she's being investigated by the FBI for crimes! And someone somewhere thinks that is a good candidate to run for president? The one who will get stonewalled and impeachment threats and/or be tried as a criminal even before inauguration day? Seriously?!?

That makes me ashamed to call myself a Democrat, let alone an American.

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I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960

Miep's picture

Than the devil you don't. Hillary 2016!" Think that would fit on a bumper sticker?

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Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.

detroitmechworks's picture

about her is that we really don't know anything.

Which makes us the wisest of the Voters. Smile

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Steven D's picture

We know she will say anything, do anything, take anyone's dirty money, to win.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

shaharazade's picture

unfortunately or fortunately depending on your point of view which makes me an informed voter.

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As one diary on the wreck list has realized.

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MarilynW's picture

with her dainty little hands during a speech, I think "imagine those hands voted for the illegal invasion of Iraq that killed so many people and destroyed a country."

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To thine own self be true.

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Steven D's picture

Far as I know she never conspired to aid in the overthrow of a democratically elected government, a coup that resulted in the deaths of innocents and mass emigration.

Marie just had the bad luck to be married off to Louis the XVI.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

mileser's picture

The terrible sadness was that Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were for reform. They actually believed things needed to change for the common people. Louis even began pushing for reforms. As is often the case, it was seen as weakness and people wanted reform faster and further than what the nobility and bureaucracy was willing to allow it to happen and they were the ones in charge and control of the money. Louis didn't have that kind of control.

The Revolution occurred (a merchant class revolution of course with the peasants used as the fodder.) Louis and Marie were caught trying to escape (a plan that others had concocted and some speculation that it was a set-up). Because they tried to escape, they were condemned to the Guillotine.

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-9.75, -8.21

Miep's picture

Elizabeth Báthory.

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Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.

mjsmeme's picture

With a little help from her friends in the MIC.

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If you credit her with a fair percentage of the body count in Iraq.

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Twain Disciple

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

TheOtherMaven's picture

Reigned five years (1553-1558), burned Protestants by the hundreds.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Hillbilly Dem's picture

"Vote for Obama and make him the first black president!" Nor Bernie or his supporters saying "Vote for Sanders and make him the first Jewish president. However, I don't know how many times I've heard "Vote for Hillary. We need a woman in the White House!"

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

Markos's picture

And god forbid you point out that saying "vote for Hillary BECAUSE the result would be gender-based" is sexism :/

Personally I don't give a damn about whatever group you can be dropped into based on things that YOU didn't do. I do, however, care about the groups you're in based on what you have done. Have you been honest or dishonest? Have you been reliable in your views or are you a weather vane? Are your views based on your values or what you perceive to be popular? If any given candidate is "former former former" then you get my respect. After that, do your views and values and positions align with mine? If so you get my vote. Whatever genitalia you happen to have or happen to enjoy playing with doesn't mean squat ... to me.

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Alison Wunderland's picture

Even the women who hate her. Have we no empathy? Have we no vision of this groundbreaking moment in history? Does it matter to us that She's been conniving for this Her whole life and we're denying Her place in History? Isn't it Her turn?

Yep.
Nope.
Nope.
Nopedynope.
Absotively Noperoody.

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tapu dali's picture

How dare they vote for the MCP !! (do ppl still use that acronym anymore for male chauvinist pig?)

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

Lisa Lockwood's picture

there's a special place in hell for us. And no marshmallows! And English only!
ffs
TOP is coming apart at the seams, which can only be a good thing, for C99 ;->

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"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

Steven D's picture

we would have a far better candidate for first female President, and Bernie would never have run.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

to President Warren in another couple election cycles.

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Euterpe2

when she's tired of the Senate -- in the meantime, she can be chair of the Senate Banking Committee if the Democrats can get the Senate back. That could make C-SPAN2 must-see TV for those committee hearings.

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jiordan's picture

but I don't see anyone telling me to vote for her because she's got ovaries.

The gender argument is the one they make when they literally have nothing else. And I'm seriously supposed to pretend that Hillary's ovaries are somehow better than Michelle Bachman's ovaries, or Carley Fiorina's or [insert R woman here] and should be any sort of deciding factor. Its just moronic.

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AreJay's picture

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stevej's picture

The more accurately her downward momentum is observed the harder it is to ascertain her position

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

For Every Hillary Policy There Is An Equal And Opposite Hillary Policy

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Clinton is forgainst, as it stands now, cut it out, I'll tell you when I'm elected,you mean like with a cloth?

One of her earliest ads - inspiring, eh, what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDFhwWy0a2E

A real GOTV message.

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I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960

riverlover's picture

Get your passport and prepare to flee wherever they will let us in (sorry, ME displaced people, we are a higher priority).

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

"Hillary Clinton: She'll say anything and change nothing." True then, true now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTtizmetQMY

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Thumb's picture

Rorschach's Hillary: Whatever you want to see.

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"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me

All together now: We're ready for Hillary... to leave the national stage permanently. Visualize her retired to the contentment of abuela-hood by the time of the July 2016 convention or shortly thereafter.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

movie buff's picture

about "the Chemistry of Eggs & Eggshells." Can't blame the Clinton people for wanting to know what's all over their faces and what are they walking on.

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"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky

Lisa Lockwood's picture

That is, and will always be, the perfect comment about the brain sink hole TOP has become.
I'll never look at eggs the same way again! Smile

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"When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~Anonymous~

pfiore8's picture

brilliant.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

WaterLily's picture

We need a "Top Comments" here at C99. Smile

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musicsleuth's picture

D: More of the Same
New banner.

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Because getting shot in the head is more humane than swallowing poison.

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hester's picture

You'll see that Potus WJC actually accomplished things the Rethugs never would've accomplished. I'll never vote Rethug, but HRC is no better than they are. And in some ways, she's worse b/c of all the pretense that she's for us. SHe's for HRC.

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Don't believe everything you think.

And only a Democrat could have gotten NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagall through. The man was a Trojan horse.

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Twain Disciple

mjsmeme's picture

staff up with Wall Street slugs and ex-Clintonistas, put SS on the table as part of a "grand bargain", refuse to look back, ramp up deportations, keep the money flowing to the top 1%, advocate for the TPP, nominate a centrist to sit on the Supreme Court, and that's the best we can do???

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WANTS to do. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, I'll concede the party to the right wingers and register Green. It hurts some. I proudly signed up as a Democrat before my first election in 1972. But I was proud of the party of FDR. Not this mishmash of Wall Street prostitutes and warhawks.

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Twain Disciple

Voted for Shirley Chisholm in the Dem primary in my very first vote. An old lefty, waiting for Bernie a very long time.... I always told myself that I was an FDR Democrat in a time that electoral politics was necessary, though not sufficient, to get the country we need. Re-evaluating the necessary bit these days.

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shaharazade's picture

I logged out and took Daily Kos off my tool bar. Guess I'll google it and log in just to see the rec list. I tell you the place is so toxic it eats your brain and makes me someone I don't even want to know. I do like it that winning the race the only thing that counts according to them is going to require more then fear of the other. That's what happens when you declare that one of the scariest global power wielder's, Hillary the Hun is the only acceptable preordained winner. this is not what democracy or Democratic looks like. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.....comes to mind. Especially when the water reeks of poison.

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Miep's picture

About how Sanders has turned Hawaii into a majority white state.

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Stay on track. Stay in lane. Don't throw rocks.

If the states he's won were all shoved together (fuhgeddabout that ocean), we might have the pretty swell beginnings of a Democratic Socialist country.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Lady Libertine's picture

via OPOL's update:

The last six contests ~
Idaho: Bernie 78-21 (a 57 point win)
Utah: Bernie 79-20 (a 59 point win)
Hawaii: Bernie 70-30 (a 40 point win)
Alaska: Bernie 82-19 (a 63 point win)
Washington: Bernie 73-27 (a 46 point win)
Democrats Abroad: Bernie 69-32 (a 48 point win)

and for your comment, we can just add in Nevada (virtual tie but rigged) and Iowa (ditto)

and we'll just drag CA with us for good measure.

DOES THIS MEAN I CAN MOVE OUT OF TEXAS NOW?! Smile

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stevej's picture

anywhere by more than 100 points so therefore he must be losing. I know cuz Teacherken taught me all about teh math

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

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riverlover's picture

He is calm and in his own rational universe. He can't see it coming or is afraid.

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stevej's picture

I find his post declaration of support for Hillary writings to be extremely disingenuous to put it mildly.

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

mawnjilla's picture

I stopped reading his stuff when he wrote a diary that said he didn't necessarily use rational reasoning in deciding his vote, or something to that effect. I asked him if he taught his students to make their decisions based only on their gut instinct, and he just kept repeating that he makes decisions differently...

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bern baby bern disco inberno

mawnjilla's picture

Clinton is a different candidate this time. She has grown in positive ways. So have I. I am no longer quite as prone to such extreme statements, in part because teaching as I do high needs children I know how many times I have to forgive them and give them more chances, lest we lose them and/or they give up on themselves.

I have not attacked Bernie Sanders, nor will I. That I chose not to do an issue by issue comparison is my choice, it is how I choose to make my decision. I operate strongly by my extroverted intuition, perhaps even more than I do by rationality. Although I may make very cogent and rational arguments, it is usually after the fact, that is I can come up with a rational explanation even though I did not make the decision based purely on cogitation.

I have also not attacked Martin O’Malley nor will I.

If others want to do compare and contrast as a means of trying to persuade others, that’s fine, but the kinds of argumentation I saw on the thread of my diary bothered me, and that is from people on both sides of the primary divide. There are far too many people interested in finding “gotchas” or focusing on the latest perceived gap or supposed smoking gun.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/11/18/1451882/-I-should-be-sleeping...
I chewed him out quite a bit in the comments, for better or for worse.

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bern baby bern disco inberno

Like his candidate.

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riverlover's picture

about me, me, me, I just know in my Quaker heart that she is the One this cycle.

OMG, I am being overly cruel and catty. And I am not deleting.

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for the title of his book Buyer's Remorse about the Obama Administration (granted, it may have been very poor phrasing considering the history of black people in the US). What will we call the book about Hillary Clinton when she takes us into an unnecessary war somewhere? "Told Ya So"?

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riverlover's picture

about me, me, me, I just know in my Quaker heart that she is the One this cycle.

OMG, I am being overly cruel and catty. And I am not deleting.

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WaterLily's picture

He "operates strongly by his extroverted intuition?"
Yeah, well, as an ENFJ, so do I. Interestingly enough, my qualities of "intuition" and "judgment" make me run, screaming, from Hillary.
His mileage obviously varies, but my intuition calls bullshit.

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mawnjilla's picture

meant to excuse himself from actually defending his decision.

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bern baby bern disco inberno

stevej's picture

But now something doesn't add up about the sudden change - not so much in viewpoint but rather the tactics he is now employing.

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

banning dissenting voices and makes it Hillary-KosPac

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