Michael Moore explains Trump's support.

The clip below is about 4 minutes long. It says a lot of what I've been saying for the last 20 years. The clip stops before Moore goes on to make the case for Hillary (or so I'm told). But watch it. Powerful stuff. But the corporate media tells the masses that the only choice they have is between the Dem and the Repub.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc]

I watch a powerful clip like this, then I come crashing down to earth in the realization that barring a miracle, Hillary Clinton will be our President. Not Bernie Sanders. Not Jill Stein. Not anybody with the foresight and the courage to steer clear of the iceberg that we've been heading toward for the last 36 years. Nope. It'll be business as usual kids. But after I post this, I'm going down to the court house in my sleepy little West "by God" Virginia county and early vote. For Jill Stein. So at least I got that.

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bummer was there is nothing down ballot but Dem or Rep, and I can't vote Rep and didn't want my ballot invalidated so I voted for the Dems, yuk.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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I even looked at any of the Republicans to see if they might have an argument against shitty incumbent Dems, but they were all so horrible. I hate living in a state with jungle top 2 primaries.

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OLinda's picture

become invalidated? Thanks.

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In every election, There are under votes in some races. That means the ballots were counted even if not all the races were voted upon.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

OLinda's picture

I don't believe a person has to vote everything either. There are always ballot measures/amendments, etc., all kinds of things people aren't sure of and skip. I am not sure if judges are on this ballot. Another thing I am sure many people skip.

I am considering skipping my vote for Rep. I don't want to vote for the current guy (Dem/superdelegate) and the only other choice is the Republican who I also don't want to vote for.

I have a green Presidential and Senate choice. Smile

My mail in ballot is here! I haven't opened it yet. I'm going to drop it off a few days before election day at city hall which is very close by.

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I just don't want them to have any reason not to count it! I doubt it would invalidate it, but I wasn't willing to take a chance this time.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

in my county all the votes are counted whether you vote for everything or just one thing. I live in a 62% republican area so I skip all the commissioner, county engineer, auditor, treasurer etc races because it's always the same people/republican running unopposed. The lady running the BOE is a good Dem though, Bernie supporter.

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..... that Oklahoma requires a vote to be cast in every race or question; and if any are left blank or otherwise spoiled, the entire ballot is invalidated.

I do NOT believe that is legal in any election where Federal officials or questions are decided, but I could be wrong here, too.

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

and it's gonna be closer than anybody thinks. The Mormon dude in Utah just might have a shot at fucking things up. I said might have a shot.

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

Remember the pig who cost us $60 million to get the details of him spreading his semen about the Oval Office? If the Dem wins, that pig gets to take up residence in OUR house once again. Puke!! On CNN, they keep saying "but he's not on the ballot." Then maybe he shouldn't live in OUR house. I don't want Hillary to be president for many reasons. That that pig will have plenty of time to soil OUR house is one of them. Even if a minor one.

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Because in 2 Party World, Utah is traditionally a red state. I just started to read this article in the New Yorker about Greenland melting and climate change happening on a delayed response so that we will really start to feel it unlike anything today and how truly f**ked we are. Only Jill has the foresight we so desperately need now.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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to listen to a guy who endorsed Hillary Clinton and who told the world back in 2004 that John Kerry was the "#1 liberal in the Senate" when Kerry was running as a smart version of W.

Anyone willing to post a brief synopsis?

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

as they voted for Nader in 2000. Just guilt. I can't imagine that he's really thrilled with the choices this year.

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is a big F**k You to the establishment. And all Trump voters are excited because finally they can cast a vote against the system that has been screwing them for their whole lives.

But the clip is cut out of his new movie and is misleading. So I assume after this clip, the movie goes on to say why they are being played by Trump.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

who were led to believe that you could have a middle income existence doing mind numbing labor at an auto factory or a steel mill and hope to retire with enough pension and health to enjoy a few years. It's an unsophisticated, but sincerely held, effyouseall to those who sponsor politicians like the Clintons.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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Springsteen, right?

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Well, we're living here in Allentown
And they're closing all the factories down
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms
Standing in line

Well, our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers in the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow

And we're living here in Allentown
But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to stay

Well, we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved

So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No, they never taught us what was real
Iron and coke
Chromium steel

And we're waiting here in Allentown
But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled away

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face

Well, I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down
But I won't be getting up today

And we're living here in Allentown

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From Wiki:

The song's lyrics, written by Joe Strummer, refers to the failures of capitalist society.[3][4] The wearing of the "blue and brown" refers to the color of the uniforms that are mostly worn by workers. This idea goes along with lyrics that refer to "young believers" who are brought and bought into the capital system by those "working for the clampdown" who will "teach with twisted speech." Strummer wrote,

The men in the factory are old and cunning
You don't owe nothing, so boy get running!
It's the best years of your life they want to steal!
You grow up and you calm down and you're working for the clampdown.
You start wearing the blue and brown and you're working for the clampdown.
So you got someone to boss around. It makes you feel big now...

These lyrics are seen to refer to how one gets caught by the capital economic system and its ethos of work, debt, power, position and conformist lifestyle.[5] Strummer, who was a proud and loud socialist, also uses the song's closing refrain to highlight this mindset and potential trap and offers a warning not to give oneself over to "the clampdown". This is emphasized in the coda by Jones' repetition of the words "work" and "more work" on the beat over Strummers breathy repetition of the phrase "working for the clampdown". This reaffirms the idea that Strummer saw "the clampdown" as a threat to all who get caught up in the modern economic wage-hour system. Bass player and Clash co-founder Paul Simonon, in an interview with the LA Times, spoke about the opportunities available to him after he finished his education,

“ What was worse was that when it got time for us to start leaving school, they took us out on trips to give us an idea of what jobs were available. But they didn't try to introduce us to anything exciting or meaningful. They took us to the power station and the Navy yards. It was like saying, 'This is all you guys could ever do.' Some of the kids fell for it. When we got taken down to the Navy yards, we went on a ship and got cooked up dinner and it was all chips and beans. It was really great. So some of the kids joined up - because the food was better than they ate at home. ”
— Paul Simonon
, [6]
Strummer, like Simonon, spent time on the dole, but Strummer did not come from a lower-class family. In the same interview with the LA Times Strummer said,

“ You see, I'm not like Paul or the others, I had a chance to be a 'good, normal person' with a nice car and a house in the suburbs - the golden apple or whatever you call it. But I saw through it. I saw it was an empty life. ”
— Joe Strummer

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

to the other.

In the city where I was born and raised, Bethlehem Steel closed the Sparrows Point mill - continuous casting, as modern as you get - and 30,000 people lost their jobs. 30,000. It had been the largest steel producing plant in the world.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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There’s a trade association that goes back to 1855, but I guess for some reason they weren’t very good at that lobbying stuff.

Presidents Truman and Kennedy had to deal with a steel industry whose management and labor had real power.

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Big Al's picture

make a difference. We're still going to be ruled by the rich. We're still going to be under the thumb of the police/military state. The U.S. will continue to be an Empire, the rich will keep getting more rich and the poor more poor.

It's a political race for a position we don't need. We don't need a President of the United States. It's time we look outside the proverbial box and create a new way.

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Alphalop's picture

that the only thing likely to change things is blood.

Lots and lots of blood...

I still feel there is a slim chance that the American Empire will pull a USSR style fragmentation (Probably the best of options at this point.) down into 8 or so affiliated sovereign nations with an EU style pact for mutual defense, borders, etc. but my optimism for such a "Positive" outcome is waning.

It's a sad day when the most positive political change you think possible is the dissolution of your own nation...

I think I now possess a better understanding of how those other people who found themselves caught up under a corrupt regime feel than I ever wanted.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

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Admittedly that was over a rotten cause, but part of the country wanted progressive change, and the other part wanted things to stay the same forever with their 1% holding the (literal, in many cases) whip hand.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

There's a transcript at Zero Hedge

...Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of Ford Motor executives and said "if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send them back and nobody's going to buy them." It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - the "Brexit" states...

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native

a few, you can download it from iTunes for $5. Search "Trumpland."

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Give the fiver to a street person. Apple is no friend of labor, or the environment. Don't reward bad behavior, that's what I think.

Thanks

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Citizen Of Earth's picture

that right wingers cut this video clip out of context and makes his movie sound pro-trump but it ain't.

He's kinda happy tho because all the Trumpbots are running to iTunes to buy his movie. Hahaha.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Citizen Of Earth's picture

just so everyone is clear. etu Michael?
The "former progressives" sellouts list continues to grow.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

stop Trump!" Kool-Aid. Hard to fault him for that when Bernie himself sings the same song. Look around: it's everywhere with insistent drumbeats. Few bother anymore to claim she has anything to offer except (supposedly) being better than Trump.

As to thoughts about what to get Hillary Clinton for her birthday? If Moore opened his tweet to suggestions, well, I can only imagine what creative minds would offer in lieu of #50StateSweep.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

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It's so odd for me this year that I have no problem with Trump voters. In years past, especially the Bush years, if I found out that a new acquaintance was a Republican and voted for Bush, our relationship was just about over. They disgusted me. They were too ignorant to associate with. I really couldn't understand how anyone could vote for him, especially the 2nd time after all we had been through.

With Trump voters, it's completely different. I don't believe they are all racists, etc. They are disgusted with the system just like we are. They want change. They know we are on the wrong track, and believe Hillary is establishment/same track just like we do. They watched the bank bail outs and no accountability just like we did. They think they are getting screwed over and they are not wrong. Trump addresses that in language they understand. He also connects with his rally crowds, (which Hillary does not do).

Trump, in his stump speeches, always says "I will be your voice." Jobs, jobs, jobs. America first means that they (citizens) are first. He is going to fix our roads, bridges, airports. He says Hillary and the rest of them have had 30 years and they aren't doing it. "He's tough, he's a winner." He'll make it happen. (Not my opinion. That is his reputation. Just ask him. Smile )

Ann Coulter said roughly 'We aren't voting for him for his personality. We know he's a lout. We are voting for him for his policies!' (I know Ann is not who you go to for information, but I'm just giving you a Trump voter's perspective.

I haven't seen the rest of Moore's talk, but I am sure he goes on to talk about climate change, Scalia, and puts the fear of Hitler/Trump or is it the Russians, in the audience's minds.

Funny that even Michael is not having a talk about how great Hillary is. Instead, as usual, it's be afraid of Trump.

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I'm going to vote early tomorrow. 99% sure it's going to be Jill. The 1% is for trump. I just don't want clinton in the WH. I have an extreme allergy to war. So here's my dilemma.
Clinton=war
Trump ? war
Jill no war.

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means that the artificially created divide between red and blue, right and left, conservative and liberal - is dissolving. Because we have no chance of changing anything until the people unite.

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DAPL protesters, Black Lives Matter, and folks like the Bundy ranchers all standing together, exercising their right to peaceably assemble, all standing up for each other, all learning from each other, all armed — now that might get results, eh? That’s why it'll never happen.

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think Clintons are much more dangerous than Trump. So, best option I see is to help Trump destroy the republican party, and get the democratic party out of the clutches of the Clintons. Makes me sick t think of Clintons back in the White House, and bringing their scummy friends with them. Ugh!

Liked the Steve Cohen video on an earlier essay - asking such good questions: when did wanting detente become treason. Also grateful for the Putin video on another comment thread.

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My fear also, is that Hillary is more dangerous than Trump. She would be the one to fear as another "Hitler". Her obsession with killing people is beyond sickening.

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From this interview, ick: LOL! “Michael MOORE in TRUMPLAND,” Critical New Film - Lawrence O'Donnell

Make me retch. Michael Moore cashes in and goes kerplunk, ignoring the corruption baked into "Our Revolution" from the start. And another thing, does Bernie read wikileaks? He should stop campaigning for Clinton cronyism. That's what a true revolutionary would do, not this incremental sell-out shite. Nope. Cue stick figure dancing:

Alright then
I don't know what the fuck just happened
but I don't really care
Immagetthefuckupouttaheeeeeeeeeeeeeee ....

My Number 2 pencil will be filling the box for Jill Stein, who's adopted three thirds of Bernie's platform plus more.

Thanks

P.S. My LOL goes to the thing in the TV comments. All my love to the losers and spoilers. Peace.

So, all you extremist progressives, who are you going to vote for? JEEZ, you progressive imbeciles are insufferable. Jill Stein is a liar & a LOSER! She's down to 2% in the polls. She can NOT win. She can only take votes away from Hillary & help a self-absorbed, racist Orange Hitler wannabe win. Don't believe me. Listen to BERNIE, Warren & Michael Moore! We don't have a multi-party parliamentary system. We have a Constitutionally mandated winner-takes-all system that DICTATES only two parties have a chance. If progressives want more power they need to take-over the Democratic Party by primarying establishment Democrats. BERNIE, Warren & others have made a good start. NADER & the Greens effectively elected BUSH/CHENEY in 2000. How did that work out? They did more harm to American democracy & progressivism than any WACKO neocon GOP conservative. They enabled Citizens United & their criminal invasion of Iraq that has directly led to ISIS! 3rd parties are only Losers & SPOILERS! Anyone who doesn't vote or votes for a 3rd party is HELPING TRUMP to win. BTW, I supported all of Bernie's issues 110% before he even declared and have 40 pro-BERNIE videos on my channel.
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Private position?

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Will spin to public position once they are in the White House. A pose with global foundation for enforcement. Thanks Leu2500 and good luck!

Cheers

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