Michael Moore explains Trump's support.

Submitted by Hillbilly Dem on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 1:56pm

The clip below is about 4 minutes long. It says a lot of what I've been saying for the last 20 years. The clip stops before Moore goes on to make the case for Hillary (or so I'm told). But watch it. Powerful stuff. But the corporate media tells the masses that the only choice they have is between the Dem and the Repub.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc]

I watch a powerful clip like this, then I come crashing down to earth in the realization that barring a miracle, Hillary Clinton will be our President. Not Bernie Sanders. Not Jill Stein. Not anybody with the foresight and the courage to steer clear of the iceberg that we've been heading toward for the last 36 years. Nope. It'll be business as usual kids. But after I post this, I'm going down to the court house in my sleepy little West "by God" Virginia county and early vote. For Jill Stein. So at least I got that.

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Submitted by lizzyh7 on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 2:14pm

Dropped my ballot off today for Stein

bummer was there is nothing down ballot but Dem or Rep, and I can't vote Rep and didn't want my ballot invalidated so I voted for the Dems, yuk.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

Submitted by Dhyerwolf on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 2:25pm

Same here.

I even looked at any of the Republicans to see if they might have an argument against shitty incumbent Dems, but they were all so horrible. I hate living in a state with jungle top 2 primaries.

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 2:36pm

How does a ballot

become invalidated? Thanks.

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 2:52pm

That was my question

In every election, There are under votes in some races. That means the ballots were counted even if not all the races were voted upon.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:33pm

Thanks, gulfgal.

I don't believe a person has to vote everything either. There are always ballot measures/amendments, etc., all kinds of things people aren't sure of and skip. I am not sure if judges are on this ballot. Another thing I am sure many people skip.

I am considering skipping my vote for Rep. I don't want to vote for the current guy (Dem/superdelegate) and the only other choice is the Republican who I also don't want to vote for.

I have a green Presidential and Senate choice.

My mail in ballot is here! I haven't opened it yet. I'm going to drop it off a few days before election day at city hall which is very close by.

Submitted by lizzyh7 on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 4:04pm

Purely paranoia on my part

I just don't want them to have any reason not to count it! I doubt it would invalidate it, but I wasn't willing to take a chance this time.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

Submitted by fugwb on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 5:11pm

Here in Ohio

in my county all the votes are counted whether you vote for everything or just one thing. I live in a 62% republican area so I skip all the commissioner, county engineer, auditor, treasurer etc races because it's always the same people/republican running unopposed. The lady running the BOE is a good Dem though, Bernie supporter.

Submitted by thanatokephaloides on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 6:39pm

I've been told several times.....

..... that Oklahoma requires a vote to be cast in every race or question; and if any are left blank or otherwise spoiled, the entire ballot is invalidated.

I do NOT believe that is legal in any election where Federal officials or questions are decided, but I could be wrong here, too.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Submitted by Tall Bald and Ugly on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 2:35pm

He's a pig,

and it's gonna be closer than anybody thinks. The Mormon dude in Utah just might have a shot at fucking things up. I said might have a shot.

peace

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Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

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Now you know. . .
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Submitted by HappyinNM on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:43pm

We get a pig whether we vote Dem or Repuke.

Remember the pig who cost us $60 million to get the details of him spreading his semen about the Oval Office? If the Dem wins, that pig gets to take up residence in OUR house once again. Puke!! On CNN, they keep saying "but he's not on the ballot." Then maybe he shouldn't live in OUR house. I don't want Hillary to be president for many reasons. That that pig will have plenty of time to soil OUR house is one of them. Even if a minor one.

Submitted by Timmethy2.0 on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 10:03pm

That helps Hillary

Because in 2 Party World, Utah is traditionally a red state. I just started to read this article in the New Yorker about Greenland melting and climate change happening on a delayed response so that we will really start to feel it unlike anything today and how truly f**ked we are. Only Jill has the foresight we so desperately need now.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Submitted by Cassiodorus on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:18pm

I'm not in the mood --

to listen to a guy who endorsed Hillary Clinton and who told the world back in 2004 that John Kerry was the "#1 liberal in the Senate" when Kerry was running as a smart version of W.

Anyone willing to post a brief synopsis?

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“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon

Submitted by HappyinNM on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:46pm

He, like Bill Maher, hold themselves responsible for W,

as they voted for Nader in 2000. Just guilt. I can't imagine that he's really thrilled with the choices this year.

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:58pm

Moore talks about how a Trump vote

is a big F**k You to the establishment. And all Trump voters are excited because finally they can cast a vote against the system that has been screwing them for their whole lives.

But the clip is cut out of his new movie and is misleading. So I assume after this clip, the movie goes on to say why they are being played by Trump.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by duckpin on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 4:04pm

Moore speaks for the high school graduates, or near grads,

who were led to believe that you could have a middle income existence doing mind numbing labor at an auto factory or a steel mill and hope to retire with enough pension and health to enjoy a few years. It's an unsophisticated, but sincerely held, effyouseall to those who sponsor politicians like the Clintons.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Submitted by lotlizard on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 5:25pm

Oh, people like those in Allentown, of whom Billy Joel sang. n/t

Submitted by Writerinres on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 5:48pm

You mean Bruce

Springsteen, right?

Submitted by lotlizard on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 6:02pm

No, Billy Joel, 1982

Well, we're living here in Allentown
And they're closing all the factories down
Out in Bethlehem they're killing time
Filling out forms
Standing in line

Well, our fathers fought the Second World War
Spent their weekends on the Jersey Shore
Met our mothers in the USO
Asked them to dance
Danced with them slow

And we're living here in Allentown
But the restlessness was handed down
And it's getting very hard to stay

Well, we're waiting here in Allentown
For the Pennsylvania we never found
For the promises our teachers gave
If we worked hard
If we behaved

So the graduations hang on the wall
But they never really helped us at all
No, they never taught us what was real
Iron and coke
Chromium steel

And we're waiting here in Allentown
But they've taken all the coal from the ground
And the union people crawled away

Every child had a pretty good shot
To get at least as far as their old man got
But something happened on the way to that place
They threw an American flag in our face

Well, I'm living here in Allentown
And it's hard to keep a good man down
But I won't be getting up today

And we're living here in Allentown

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 6:19pm

"Working hard in Harrisburg," for the Clampdown.

From Wiki:

The song's lyrics, written by Joe Strummer, refers to the failures of capitalist society.[3][4] The wearing of the "blue and brown" refers to the color of the uniforms that are mostly worn by workers. This idea goes along with lyrics that refer to "young believers" who are brought and bought into the capital system by those "working for the clampdown" who will "teach with twisted speech." Strummer wrote,

The men in the factory are old and cunning
You don't owe nothing, so boy get running!
It's the best years of your life they want to steal!
You grow up and you calm down and you're working for the clampdown.
You start wearing the blue and brown and you're working for the clampdown.
So you got someone to boss around. It makes you feel big now...

These lyrics are seen to refer to how one gets caught by the capital economic system and its ethos of work, debt, power, position and conformist lifestyle.[5] Strummer, who was a proud and loud socialist, also uses the song's closing refrain to highlight this mindset and potential trap and offers a warning not to give oneself over to "the clampdown". This is emphasized in the coda by Jones' repetition of the words "work" and "more work" on the beat over Strummers breathy repetition of the phrase "working for the clampdown". This reaffirms the idea that Strummer saw "the clampdown" as a threat to all who get caught up in the modern economic wage-hour system. Bass player and Clash co-founder Paul Simonon, in an interview with the LA Times, spoke about the opportunities available to him after he finished his education,

“ What was worse was that when it got time for us to start leaving school, they took us out on trips to give us an idea of what jobs were available. But they didn't try to introduce us to anything exciting or meaningful. They took us to the power station and the Navy yards. It was like saying, 'This is all you guys could ever do.' Some of the kids fell for it. When we got taken down to the Navy yards, we went on a ship and got cooked up dinner and it was all chips and beans. It was really great. So some of the kids joined up - because the food was better than they ate at home. ”
— Paul Simonon
, [6]
Strummer, like Simonon, spent time on the dole, but Strummer did not come from a lower-class family. In the same interview with the LA Times Strummer said,

“ You see, I'm not like Paul or the others, I had a chance to be a 'good, normal person' with a nice car and a house in the suburbs - the golden apple or whatever you call it. But I saw through it. I saw it was an empty life. ”
— Joe Strummer

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by duckpin on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 6:18pm

Pennsylvania had steel mills from one end of the state

to the other.

In the city where I was born and raised, Bethlehem Steel closed the Sparrows Point mill - continuous casting, as modern as you get - and 30,000 people lost their jobs. 30,000. It had been the largest steel producing plant in the world.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 12:47am

The American Iron and Steel Institute

There’s a trade association that goes back to 1855, but I guess for some reason they weren’t very good at that lobbying stuff.

Presidents Truman and Kennedy had to deal with a steel industry whose management and labor had real power.

Submitted by Big Al on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:27pm

Well, what we all need to keep in mind is that it doesn't

make a difference. We're still going to be ruled by the rich. We're still going to be under the thumb of the police/military state. The U.S. will continue to be an Empire, the rich will keep getting more rich and the poor more poor.

It's a political race for a position we don't need. We don't need a President of the United States. It's time we look outside the proverbial box and create a new way.

Submitted by Alphalop on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 9:45pm

Indeed. More and more every day I think it becomes clearer...

that the only thing likely to change things is blood.

Lots and lots of blood...

I still feel there is a slim chance that the American Empire will pull a USSR style fragmentation (Probably the best of options at this point.) down into 8 or so affiliated sovereign nations with an EU style pact for mutual defense, borders, etc. but my optimism for such a "Positive" outcome is waning.

It's a sad day when the most positive political change you think possible is the dissolution of your own nation...

I think I now possess a better understanding of how those other people who found themselves caught up under a corrupt regime feel than I ever wanted.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Fri, 10/28/2016 - 9:46am

Maybe even a better understanding of why the first secession?

Admittedly that was over a rotten cause, but part of the country wanted progressive change, and the other part wanted things to stay the same forever with their 1% holding the (literal, in many cases) whip hand.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Submitted by native on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:30pm

A remarkable speech.

There's a transcript at Zero Hedge

...Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of Ford Motor executives and said "if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send them back and nobody's going to buy them." It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - the "Brexit" states...

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native

Submitted by HappyinNM on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:49pm

If anyone is interested in hearing the whole hour, plus

a few, you can download it from iTunes for $5. Search "Trumpland."

Submitted by eyo on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 8:14am

Better yet, cancel iTunes

Give the fiver to a street person. Apple is no friend of labor, or the environment. Don't reward bad behavior, that's what I think.

Thanks

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 3:51pm

Moore says on tweeter

that right wingers cut this video clip out of context and makes his movie sound pro-trump but it ain't.

He's kinda happy tho because all the Trumpbots are running to iTunes to buy his movie. Hahaha.

Righties've doctored clip from my film 2 make it look pro-Trump. 7.9M views! Sending millions 2 iTunes! TrumpLand #1 pic.twitter.com/LHqPO07Va6

— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) October 26, 2016

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 4:08pm

BTW. Moore is a Hillbot (ugh)

just so everyone is clear. etu Michael?
The "former progressives" sellouts list continues to grow.

Today is Hillary Clinton's birthday -- and I think you know what to get her. #50StateSweep pic.twitter.com/aE7dAJfbKZ

— Michael Moore (@MMFlint) October 26, 2016

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by 2andfro on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 6:40pm

He's a former Bernie guy who drank the "HRC because must

stop Trump!" Kool-Aid. Hard to fault him for that when Bernie himself sings the same song. Look around: it's everywhere with insistent drumbeats. Few bother anymore to claim she has anything to offer except (supposedly) being better than Trump.

As to thoughts about what to get Hillary Clinton for her birthday? If Moore opened his tweet to suggestions, well, I can only imagine what creative minds would offer in lieu of #50StateSweep.

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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 4:02pm

Trump voters

It's so odd for me this year that I have no problem with Trump voters. In years past, especially the Bush years, if I found out that a new acquaintance was a Republican and voted for Bush, our relationship was just about over. They disgusted me. They were too ignorant to associate with. I really couldn't understand how anyone could vote for him, especially the 2nd time after all we had been through.

With Trump voters, it's completely different. I don't believe they are all racists, etc. They are disgusted with the system just like we are. They want change. They know we are on the wrong track, and believe Hillary is establishment/same track just like we do. They watched the bank bail outs and no accountability just like we did. They think they are getting screwed over and they are not wrong. Trump addresses that in language they understand. He also connects with his rally crowds, (which Hillary does not do).

Trump, in his stump speeches, always says "I will be your voice." Jobs, jobs, jobs. America first means that they (citizens) are first. He is going to fix our roads, bridges, airports. He says Hillary and the rest of them have had 30 years and they aren't doing it. "He's tough, he's a winner." He'll make it happen. (Not my opinion. That is his reputation. Just ask him. )

Ann Coulter said roughly 'We aren't voting for him for his personality. We know he's a lout. We are voting for him for his policies!' (I know Ann is not who you go to for information, but I'm just giving you a Trump voter's perspective.

I haven't seen the rest of Moore's talk, but I am sure he goes on to talk about climate change, Scalia, and puts the fear of Hitler/Trump or is it the Russians, in the audience's minds.

Funny that even Michael is not having a talk about how great Hillary is. Instead, as usual, it's be afraid of Trump.

Submitted by fugwb on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 5:22pm

Know what you mean.

I'm going to vote early tomorrow. 99% sure it's going to be Jill. The 1% is for trump. I just don't want clinton in the WH. I have an extreme allergy to war. So here's my dilemma.
Clinton=war
Trump ? war
Jill no war.

Submitted by gustogirl on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 9:27am

Personally, I'm hoping this phenomenon

means that the artificially created divide between red and blue, right and left, conservative and liberal - is dissolving. Because we have no chance of changing anything until the people unite.

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 11:55pm

The Powers That Be will always use race, etc., to divide us

DAPL protesters, Black Lives Matter, and folks like the Bundy ranchers all standing together, exercising their right to peaceably assemble, all standing up for each other, all learning from each other, all armed — now that might get results, eh? That’s why it'll never happen.

Submitted by Caerus on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 5:32pm

have said it many times

think Clintons are much more dangerous than Trump. So, best option I see is to help Trump destroy the republican party, and get the democratic party out of the clutches of the Clintons. Makes me sick t think of Clintons back in the White House, and bringing their scummy friends with them. Ugh!

Liked the Steve Cohen video on an earlier essay - asking such good questions: when did wanting detente become treason. Also grateful for the Putin video on another comment thread.

Submitted by ThoughtfulVoter on Wed, 10/26/2016 - 10:25pm

agreed

My fear also, is that Hillary is more dangerous than Trump. She would be the one to fear as another "Hitler". Her obsession with killing people is beyond sickening.

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 12:49am

I’m with itlHer. n/t

Submitted by eyo on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 8:03am

She's adopted two thirds of his (Bernie's) platform! says Moore

From this interview, ick: LOL! “Michael MOORE in TRUMPLAND,” Critical New Film - Lawrence O'Donnell

Make me retch. Michael Moore cashes in and goes kerplunk, ignoring the corruption baked into "Our Revolution" from the start. And another thing, does Bernie read wikileaks? He should stop campaigning for Clinton cronyism. That's what a true revolutionary would do, not this incremental sell-out shite. Nope. Cue stick figure dancing:

Alright then
I don't know what the fuck just happened
but I don't really care
Immagetthefuckupouttaheeeeeeeeeeeeeee ....

My Number 2 pencil will be filling the box for Jill Stein, who's adopted three thirds of Bernie's platform plus more.

Thanks

P.S. My LOL goes to the thing in the TV comments. All my love to the losers and spoilers. Peace.

So, all you extremist progressives, who are you going to vote for? JEEZ, you progressive imbeciles are insufferable. Jill Stein is a liar & a LOSER! She's down to 2% in the polls. She can NOT win. She can only take votes away from Hillary & help a self-absorbed, racist Orange Hitler wannabe win. Don't believe me. Listen to BERNIE, Warren & Michael Moore! We don't have a multi-party parliamentary system. We have a Constitutionally mandated winner-takes-all system that DICTATES only two parties have a chance. If progressives want more power they need to take-over the Democratic Party by primarying establishment Democrats. BERNIE, Warren & others have made a good start. NADER & the Greens effectively elected BUSH/CHENEY in 2000. How did that work out? They did more harm to American democracy & progressivism than any WACKO neocon GOP conservative. They enabled Citizens United & their criminal invasion of Iraq that has directly led to ISIS! 3rd parties are only Losers & SPOILERS! Anyone who doesn't vote or votes for a 3rd party is HELPING TRUMP to win. BTW, I supported all of Bernie's issues 110% before he even declared and have 40 pro-BERNIE videos on my channel.

Submitted by Leu2500 on Thu, 10/27/2016 - 8:13am