Liar War Criminal Trump continues Illegal Syria War, Syria says GTF Out

Between the Obama and Trump administrations, they've gone back and forth and back again on why they're in Syria. Remember when Obama, Kerry et all basically admitted the reason the U.S. was in Syria was because "Assad has got to go". Then they say he doesn't, then he does, then ISIS number two is shot, then ISIS number two is killed, then the beat goes on doncha miss Sonny and Cher. Or maybe not.

The Syria Civil War, WHAT?!, you still think it's a civil war? Why? Why did you ever? Do you know why?

The U.S. and friends created ISIS to act as an enemy to Die Homeland show your papers please, an excuse to invade other countries and a proxy army to facilitate the destruction of countries and governments, like Syria. Just like our government did and does with Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups. The U.S. is in Syria to help ISIS.

Russia Accuses US of Providing Cover for the 'Islamic State' Militia
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48218.htm

It's that simple, I'm not sure why people don't get it. Maybe it's too simple. It's like "nah, couldn't be!" This is the United States, we don't do stuff like that.

Yep. Created, armed, funded, guided, sustained, protected, oh, and killed when necessary. Ya, most are stupid fucks just in it for a paycheck. Life is tough over there for the people "who are different from us".

So if that's true, which it is, that means this whole war against ISIS, which is the latest iteration of the War OF Terror, started by Grand Warmeister Bush after the false flag attack on 9/11, and all this bullshit talk about how the U.S. is in Syria and Iraq to fight ISIS is a lie. Nothing but lies.

It's that simple, I'm not sure why people don't get it. Because ALL WAR IS A LIE.

I could prove it, it has been proven. But that shouldn't be necessary, everybody can access that information on the internet if they want. All they have to do is search for it, tell the electronic Star Trek gizmo the question and up will pop the answer. I come from the sixties, I know, this is fucking amazing. Something like, "did the CIA create ISIS?", or "the U.S. created ISIS" should do the trick, then you can decide for yourself.

I can save you time though, it's true.

But anyway, here's Trump, thru his Mad Dog. Of course, it could be the Deep State who has pictures of Trump doing bad things, maybe with Mad Dog, making them say these things. Ya, that could be it. Does it matter?

"The U.S. military will fight Islamic State in Syria “as long as they want to fight,” Defense Secretary Jim Mattis said on Monday, describing a longer-term role for U.S. troops long after the insurgents lose all of the territory they control.

Mattis said the U.S. military’s longer-term objective would be to prevent the return of an “ISIS 2.0.”

So Maddog is saying that Madman Trump the War Criminal Liar who is the Commander in Chief of the amazing global military machine of the United States, has decided that the U.S. will stay in Syria as long as it fucking wants to protect ISIS while pretending to prevent it's comeback. Got it?

“The enemy hasn’t declared that they’re done with the area yet, so we’ll keep fighting as long as they want to fight,” Mattis said, speaking to reporters at the Pentagon about the future of U.S. operations in Syria.

He also stressed the importance of longer-term peace efforts, suggesting U.S. forces aimed to help set the conditions of a diplomatic solution in Syria, now in its seventh year of civil war." (PROPAGANDA ALERT!!)

“We’re not just going to walk away right now before the Geneva process has traction,” he added.

The link is from Reuters, part of the corporate media monopoly that spreads propaganda, false narratives, and plain old mind conditioning to the serfs. In no way does the article indicate that what Mad Dog and Trump are doing is illegal and as shown above it continues with the "civil war" false narrative. The article actually states the really reason for staying in Syria at this point. That's the mind fuck.

"One key aim for Washington is to limit Iranian influence in Syria and Iraq, which expanded during the war with Islamic State."

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-usa-syria/u-s-to-fight-...

Syria for their part is stating exactly what they should, get the fuck out.

"The Syrian Foreign Ministry issued a firm warning to the U.S. and other foreign forces in Syria Tuesday without the approval of President Bashar al-Assad, telling them their presence was a violation of international law and accusing them of making matters worse for the war-torn country that days ago declared victory against the Islamic State militant group (ISIS).

The ministry issued the statement in direct response to remarks by Defense Secretary James Mattis, who suggested a day earlier that U.S. forces would not be leaving anytime soon. Unlike allies Russia and Iran, which intervened against Syrian insurgents and jihadis at the request of Assad, the U.S. entered the conflict without the Syrian leader's permission and has called for his removal. With ISIS effectively defeated, the ministry urged Washington and its allies to exit immediately."

http://www.newsweek.com/syria-and-russia-say-isis-dead-now-us-must-go-71...

Good luck with that Syrians, wish we Americans could help you out but our government is corrupt and we have to decide who to vote for next, or not. And we don't do antiwar anymore, no draft, no use. Once the Empire gets it's tentacles somewhere it's hard to get them out. Ask North and South Korea.

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snoopydawg's picture

It's that simple, I'm not sure why people don't get it. Because ALL WAR IS A LIE.

As you stated, this is easily verified if anyone wants to see why our military is in Syria and why it has and will continue to go to war for the special interests. Whenever they talk about the wars, they start out with saying that they need to protect "our interests" in whichever country they are talking about.
It been 85 years since Smedley Butler's book War is a Racket was written, but very few people have heard about it, let alone read it. It should be required reading in high school, but we know that will never happen. Got to keep the populace dumbed down and afraid of the newest boogeyman, eh?

Here is an article about Russia's accusation that we are protecting ISIS from the Syrian and Russian military. Of course this is treason, but our government is above the law and the presidents do what they are told to do.

Russian FM Lavrov slams “most dangerous” illegal US presence in Syria – seeks US withdrawa

This is hilarious, isn't it?

A statement from the Russian Defence Ministry reads,

“The US side categorically refused to carry out airstrikes against Daesh terrorists, claiming that the militants were ‘voluntarily surrendering’ and now fell under the provisions of the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War”.

There is indisputable evidence that the United States pretends it is waging irreconcilable struggle against international terrorism in front of the international community, while in reality it provides cover for the combat-ready Islamic State groups to let them regain strength, regroup themselves and advance US interests in the Middle East.

We have been told that this war of terror is going to be a generational war and we will be fighting it for decades. It's close to being one generation down. There are men and women who are fighting in this bogus war of terror who weren't very old when 9/11 happened and their children will be the next group of cannon fodder that will be sent into the meat grinder and invade the next countries on PNAC's list.

Oh well, Gawd Bless America!

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The donor class doesn’t want it, and Americans elect the bribed. So suck it up.

The Ostrich should be the national bird not the Eagle

It is all because of three entities. Saudi arabia. Israel and the United States supported be various well controlled puppets. They have different reasons. Israel for security. (OY!). Saudi Arabia due to Shia- Sunni dominance and The US (MIC) that will gladly sell weapons to anyone not to mention that Trump gets to posture while the generals in his administration call the shots.

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earthling1's picture

a couple of pipelines traversing Syria a becoming a new supply to Europe, cutting in on Russia's supply chain. One pipeline from Turkey and one from Pakistan. IIRC.

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After six years, still getting robo-calls from Marriot Hotels.
They're like herpes.

A 2011 policy memo came out of Clinton's SoS office that argued for directly attacking Assad to prevent the formation of a "Shia crescent" running from Lebanon, to Syria, to Iran. All this in the name of protecting Israel. Given all the actions by Clinton, Obama, and the neocons, stopping the formation of this Shia Crescent was so important, they could tolerate an ISIS Sunni takeover of Syria. Apparently, the Saudis, newly found allies of Israel, believed they could control ISIS.

Looks like idea of a Shia Crescent still dominates neocon thinking. Their proxy ISIS has been effectively defeated so they either need the Kurds to step up or more likely move a lot of American boots into Syria.

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While there may be some subversive elements still within the CIA or with Mattis / Tillerson faction that would like to sabotage the policy shift -- President Trump has been re-targeting U.S. efforts in Syria to actually fight ISIS, rather than what had been going on before (under Obama, HRC, McCain, CIA) where we were training, arming, and weaponizing and creating ISIS to overthrow the Syrian Government.

So there is a big, big difference here, In the one case, under Obama & Hillary, the U.S. created ISIS and the Network of Terrorism there for the purpose of destroying Syria's Government -- and we were on the same side as the Terrorists.

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In the other case (now currently under Trump):

  1. The CIA weapon sales directly to ISIS was stopped (and...over objections of the Neocons), and
  2. Significantly, we have no "No Fly Zone" standoff or any other Military standoff against the Syrian Government there anymore, and
  3. Most illuminating -- we are no longer on the same side as ISIS -- but instead actually fighting ISIS and trying to stabilize the situation there.

So the policy has been dramatically changed from what it was.

The irony remains that the U.S. has a history of being on both sides of the ISIS Terrorists. But under Trump, ISIS is now finally made the actual target (and not our "moderate rebels" friends anymore) and they're getting knocked back and there is no illegal military-based "Regime Change" Coup policy.

Instead of destroying Syria as Hillary Clinton wanted to do, I expect the situation will be diffused with no violent "Regime Change" Coup, and no decades-long U.S. Military Occupation, and ISIS will not grow and grow -- but instead largely be neutralized and defeated. This may take some time to complete. But the whole focus there is different now.

Finally, we fight the terrorists instead of being the terrorists. That is a big, big difference.

US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin have agreed to a statement that was prepared by experts after the leaders met briefly on the sidelines of an Asia-Pacific summit in Vietnam on Saturday:

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A statement released by the Kremlin on Saturday said the leaders had "agreed that the conflict in Syria has no military solution".

They also confirmed their "determination to defeat Isis [another term for IS]" and called on all parties to take part in the Geneva peace process.

Link: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-41953110

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Hopefully, people the see the profound difference here between what Hillary Clinton (and Obama, McCain, etc.) wanted to do ... and what Trump wants to do.

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@FreeSociety He only cares about fattening his own wallet at our expense like all the rest. He is and always will be Billary's patsy.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Big Al's picture

@FreeSociety also while they continued to illegally occupy Syria and run cover for ISIS. And the recent accusations by Russia of the US shielding ISIS is definitely under Trump. The ending of the CIA arming ISIS was a strategic move which hasn't stopped the arming of ISIS.

My bottom line was that Trump, who is the CINC, is continuing the illegal war in Syria, I'm not sure how you can dispute that. What Clinton would have done isn't really relevant, but I would suspect it would be along the same lines in that the focus was going to turn to Iran no matter which is what Trump and his regime are doing. Trump is a fucking neocon because of his patronage to Netanyahoo and Israel. Him and his son in law and Ambassador to Israel are all in the Zionists pockets and proceeding with the original neocon plan. He's a war criminal just like Hillary Clinton, Obama and Bush. There's no getting around that now.

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@Big Al

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  1. Obama/Clinton: Overthrow the Syrian Government, Create ISIS, and Fight Russia by proxy!!!
  2. Trump: Fight and drive away ISIS (with the cooperation of Russia).
  3. --

  • The first policy is totally insane, unlawful, and evil.
  • The second policy is a matter of cleaning up the mess (inherited), and repairing International damage.
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Big Al's picture

@FreeSociety shielding and protecting ISIS? I linked that above. What about the secret Raqqa deal?
I could go on and on about how the Trump administration is racheting up tensions and war worldwide, increased bombings in Afghanistan, killingmore civilians, regime change operations in Venezuela and Iran, more war in Lebanon, Yemen, etc., JUST LIKE OBAMA AND CLINTON, but you seem to have fallen deeply for the right wing propaganda, like from Bannon at Breitbart, that Trump is some kind of peace meister, just like I heard the last eight years from Obama supporters. That's easy to see with your continued comparison of Trump to Clinton, which I know comes from the right wing sites and is irrelevant now anyway, the campaign is over.

You offer no proof except generalized statements like "Trump is fighting ISIS", and ignore the facts on the ground now, also trying to play it off that it's not really Trump it's the Deep State. Also the same as Obama supporters rationalizing their hero's warmongering.
I ain't buying it at all.

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@Big Al

I understand your skepticism, especially after the last 17 years of insane Global Warfare.

I agree too that Trump is constantly under both pressure and also outright subversion by the DEEP STATE, and by the Neocon factions that exist within the CIA and State Dept and the Military brass. Nikki Haley (UN ambassador), for example, is a total Neocon "regime change" holdover from Bush-Obama years that launches into public War Threats and scare mongering statements on her own against several other Countries constantly.

But the policy shift is significant (the goal is not to overthrow the Syrian Government anymore -- that matters).

We will see what things look like in a few more months. By 2018, it should be clear whether Trump's stated goal of cooperating with Russia to clean out ISIS is really coming true or not. I believe that is his intent.

But The Establishment still wants Regime change and has been planning this for years. It is not easy to just turn all that activity around overnight (much of it Black Ops and covert). So the facts on the ground can be contradictory, and messy. It will be clear what Trump really wants somewhere around the middle of 2018 .

If Trump goes Neocon here, I will be the first to criticize him. I also don't claim he is either perfect, or a "peacenik". But I think time will show that we will have escaped with at least one less horrifying "Regime Change" enterprise there, and some diplomatic cooperation with Russia when all is said and done.

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@FreeSociety report about the U.S. colluding with ISIS in Raqqa.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/16/isis-n16.html

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@Big Al

No wonder TPTB want to restrict access to that site - it's so very informative.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Hey, they invested in these terrorists for a reason, and they ain't going until they get theirs out of it.

All for corporate/billionaire profits, and the world well lost!

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.