The democrat's obnoxious but Insincere attacks on Ralph Nader for Gore's Loss & Bush's Victory, and why we don't give a shit

It was quite shameful how the Democrats and many liberals viciously piled on Ralph Nader for somehow causing GW Bush to become president in 2000. However they refused to or ignored their own shortcomings that might have caused them to lose. Subsequent events have shown that the Democrats were being hypocrites in their criticism because they themselves have shown not to care enough to learn any lesson and not repeat their own mistakes.

Here are some specific criticisms and my responses to those:

1. Al Gore gave us George Bush: Oh yeah? Big fucking deal. The Democrats have shown that they will pursue the same or very similar policies as Bush and call it progress. Case in point, Barack Obama. Endless wars, drone attacks, unconstitutional surveillance, corporate welfare. See what I mean? The Democrat Obama didn't really inspire much in his presidency. Hillary Clinton is not expected to be any better but in fact would be worse than Obama.

2. Spoiler Effect or Ranked Choice Voting: If the Democrats' priority is to keep Republicans from getting into office, and if they truly care about preventing the spoiler effect of third party candidates, they would have long ago tried to pass Ranked Choice Voting. It has now been 16 years since Gore. How many places around the country have they implemented RCV so far? Yeah, so please STFU about the spoiler effect!

The truth of the matter is that they want to perpetuate their politics of fear based voting, in collusion with the media and other elite, wealthy, corporate interests, and it goes against their self-interest in continuously perpetuating this two-party duopoly rule upon all Americans.

That to me is truly unpatriotic and against the spirit of democracy. What we need is all Americans being made aware of the truth of our sham democracy and fighting for democratic and electoral reform at every possible moment and opportunity.

If in this election, Donald Trump somehow beats Hillary Clinton, they will of course try to blame it on Jill Stein, but nothing could be further from the truth.

It should be easy enough for any decent candidate to defeat a complete buffoon like Donald Trump but it looks like Hillary may still lose. Democrats themselves would be to blame because:

1. They nominated a weak scandal ridden candidate like Hillary

2. The Wikileaks DNC Leaks showing DNC Bias against Bernie Sanders

3. They did not pass Ranked Choice Voting in the 16 years since Al Gore

4. Legitimate platform and policy differences between the candidates.

5. Electoral fraud benefiting Hillary Clinton

6. Shabby treatment of Bernie supporters during the primaries and at the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia.

7. Extreme voter dislike and mistrust of Hillary Clinton

8. Bypassing an extremely popular candidate in Bernie Sanders for the nomination, who has been consistently beating Trump in the polls

[Cross-posted on https://www.reddit.com/r/jillstein/comments/4vafml/the_democrats_obnoxio...

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Alphalop's picture

They do seem flummoxed by our resistance and refusal to take blame any longer for their flawed choices.

I think the biggest reason we are seeing so much more hostility and Fauxtrage against us is they are finally realizing that those tried and true tactics of yesteryear that always assured compliance and led to victory are now not only not working but are having an negative impact and getting previously unseen pushback from the left.

They seem incapable of grasping that after the The Big Fuck You that they delivered to us openly and unashamedly this cycle why we are saying, "Nope, FUCK YOU!" right back.

It may be a little early for some rage music but screw it, I gotta get energized to go mow my yard anyway.

NSFW!!! Lyrics Below. (It does kinda sum up my feelings towards the DNC and the establishment atm) Smile

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUwddhhs8u4]

little bitch boys thinking nothing is going to happen
hear you talking shit but i can't stop laughing
a little psycho ego trippin'
on your chin where you got caught slippin'
two faces on the same head, rippin' one off to make the other see red
i feel hate, just gotta destroy, one little, two little, three little bitch boys

here i come, here i come, out of the blue, little bitch boy with the big fuck you
here i come , out of the blue, talk enough shit, gonna see what the fuck i do

bitch boys gonna stir up some shit, bitch turn around , turn around get your wig split
pull the hammer back as i pop the fuckin' clip in
just like double oh seven on a mission
insane, godamn i think i'm loco, just another voice in my head
that i don't know
i still hate, i still gotta destroy, every last one of those muthafuckin' bitch boys

here i come, here i come, out of the blue, little bitch boy with the big fuck you
here i come , out of the blue, talk enough shit, gonna see what the fuck i do

antoher track from the dark side, dark side of my psyche
if you think i won't, muthafucker just try me
steppin' on up , step, step, to the front line
you got yours, muthafucker, i will get mine.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

from their hypocritical selfish behavior into keeping on the fight! We are awake now and won't go back to sleep.

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Love is my religion.

Alphalop's picture

the parts I put in bold. Smile

ere i come, here i come, out of the blue, little bitch boy with the big fuck you
here i come , out of the blue, talk enough shit, gonna see what the fuck i do

Out of the Blue indeed, and on to greener pastures.

(I always love finding unintended meaning in songs and poetry.)

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

explain what's happening now, they need to get up to speed on the new way to campaign. ONLY SPEAK TRUTH. AND ONLY SPEAK ABOUT WHAT YOU INTEND TO DO. When Bernie began nipping at her heals, her immediate response was to attack. The electorate wanted to hear about how much better life would be with her policies and she gave them lies about Bernie. Ooooh---those were the particularly scary times over at TOP. And, now that she only has to deal with Trump, she still only runs in attack mode. And, ya know what folks, no one is in the mood to listen to someone else bitching all the time. We want green meadows, and she givin' us dumpsters in dark alleys. Jill Stein isn't her problem.

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Jill Stein isn't her problem. She's got a lot of weaknesses in her campaign and in her person, some of which I mentioned in my original post. In fact there is a good chance that she may lose to Trump. If or when that happens, her campaign (and other cannibalistic liberals) would inevitably turn to blaming Jill Stein for their loss. I wrote my post anticipating such an outcome. They are already using this line of attack against Jill and it will keep getting more crazy. We just need to be ready for it.

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Love is my religion.

How about the fact that the friggin VP OF THE UNITED STATES couldn't around up 500 more votes? That's a pathetic fact.

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Right around 9/11/01, a group of newspapers finished their count of FL. Gore won. It was too late to mean anything, and the information got buried by the attack on the country. That being said, would one also say that if not for all the votes Obama took, Romney would have won? Stupid argument.

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Lookout's picture

It's one of the big dangers of registering by party as they do in FL. Jeb! had 1000's of mostly PoC dems thrown off the rolls. Gore would have easily won FL but he had the election stolen. He protested as loudly as Bernie did when the nomination was stolen from him.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

SiriusMoonLight's picture

The fact that he couldn't even win his home state's electoral votes! Its a canard that needs to have a stake driven through its heart and buried for good. Frankly, its time we push back against this vile falsehood.

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Lookout's picture

and so do many others.
http://www.gregpalast.com/florida-by-the-numbersal-gore-won-florida-in-2...

I also think Bernie probably won the nomination. Election fraud is real.
https://electionfraud2016.wordpress.com/

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Alphalop's picture

that voted for Bush.

"The Democratic Party Cannot Fail, It can only be failed..." seems to be the general theme.

Rather than admit that their 3rd way economic policies are not attractive to the left they will continue to lose both presidencies and mid terms until they fade away.

You cannot so completely and openly your core stated principles as a party and ever expect to regain the credibility of the voters.

I doubt that in the future, particularly after there is a new party, and their WILL be a new party, very few voters under 45 are gonna stay with the Democrats.

The DNC is gonna have the same problem as FOX. It's loyal followers are dying off and very few new ones are joining...

I would love to see #Demexit drop their numbers below to 25% by October.

That corrupt gang of thieves cant go away fast enough for me.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

I think the candidates owe their voters a certain obligation to make sure that they fight against any sort of vote theft and election fraud. It really sucks that Bernie didn't speak up against it and I don't know or understand his reasons.

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Love is my religion.

He couldn't even win his home state., Florida would have been moot if he'd done so.

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Likely didn't try because its four electoral votes were "not enough to matter". Well, guess what - if he'd had those measly four electoral votes, Florida would not have mattered.

There's a lesson here that should not be overlooked: No state is "too small".

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

he(Gore) would spend one day touring the state with Byrd. Gore could not fit Sen. Byrd & WV into his schedule.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Oldest Son Of A Sailor's picture

This time they started looking for a "Scapegoat" with only 3 or 4 states casting their primary ballots when they declared the "Mad Bomber" their "Winner."

Truth be told the Republican Party was dead, the divisions between the Old Guard Country Club Republicans and the Teapublicans had left the party unable to field a coordinated team that could play ball together. Then their "Al Czervik" showed up at the country club and we saw all the makings of Caddyshack...

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMVvTl83gWg]

The election was a given for the Democratic Party, all we had to do was field the best candidate out of the primary elections, and Gee Wiz those "Same Issues From 2000" and "OWS" reared their ugly head once again...

GREEN KEY VALUES

1. GRASSROOTS DEMOCRACY
Every human being deserves a say in the decisions that affect their lives and not be subject to the will of another. Therefore, we will work to increase public participation at every level of government and to ensure that our public representatives are fully accountable to the people who elect them. We will also work to create new types of political organizations which expand the process of participatory democracy by directly including citizens in the decision-making process.

2. SOCIAL JUSTICE AND EQUAL OPPORTUNITY
All persons should have the rights and opportunity to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment. We must consciously confront in ourselves, our organizations, and society at large, barriers such as racism and class oppression, sexism and homophobia, ageism and disability, which act to deny fair treatment and equal justice under the law.

3. ECOLOGICAL WISDOM
Human societies must operate with the understanding that we are part of nature, not separate from nature.

We must maintain an ecological balance and live within the ecological and resource limits of our communities and our planet. We support a sustainable society which utilizes resources in such a way that future generations will benefit and not suffer from the practices of our generation. To this end we must practice agriculture which replenishes the soil; move to an energy efficient economy; and live in ways that respect the integrity of natural systems.

4. NON-VIOLENCE
It is essential that we develop effective alternatives to society’s current patterns of violence. We will work to demilitarize, and eliminate weapons of mass destruction, without being naive about the intentions of other governments.

We recognize the need for self-defense and the defense of others who are in helpless situations. We promote non-violent methods to oppose practices and policies with which we disagree, and will guide our actions toward lasting personal, community and global peace.

5. DECENTRALIZATION
Centralization of wealth and power contributes to social and economic injustice, environmental destruction, and militarization. Therefore, we support a restructuring of social, political and economic institutions away from a system which is controlled by and mostly benefits the powerful few, to a democratic, less bureaucratic system. Decision-making should, as much as possible, remain at the individual and local level, while assuring that civil rights are protected for all citizens.

6. COMMUNITY-BASED ECONOMICS AND ECONOMIC JUSTICE
We recognize it is essential to create a vibrant and sustainable economic system, one that can create jobs and provide a decent standard of living for all people while maintaining a healthy ecological balance. A successful economic system will offer meaningful work with dignity, while paying a “living wage” which reflects the real value of a person’s work.

Local communities must look to economic development that assures protection of the environment and workers’ rights; broad citizen participation in planning; and enhancement of our “quality of life.” We support independently owned and operated companies which are socially responsible, as well as co-operatives and public enterprises that distribute resources and control to more people through democratic participation.

7. FEMINISM AND GENDER EQUITY
We have inherited a social system based on male domination of politics and economics. We call for the replacement of the cultural ethics of domination and control with more cooperative ways of interacting that respect differences of opinion and gender. Human values such as equity between the sexes, interpersonal responsibility, and honesty must be developed with moral conscience. We should remember that the process that determines our decisions and actions is just as important as achieving the outcome we want.

8. RESPECT FOR DIVERSITY
We believe it is important to value cultural, ethnic, racial, sexual, religious and spiritual diversity, and to promote the development of respectful relationships across these lines.

We believe that the many diverse elements of society should be reflected in our organizations and decision-making bodies, and we support the leadership of people who have been traditionally closed out of leadership roles. We acknowledge and encourage respect for other life forms than our own and the preservation of biodiversity.

9. PERSONAL AND GLOBAL RESPONSIBILITY
We encourage individuals to act to improve their personal well-being and, at the same time, to enhance ecological balance and social harmony. We seek to join with people and organizations around the world to foster peace, economic justice, and the health of the planet.

10. FUTURE FOCUS AND SUSTAINABILITY
Our actions and policies should be motivated by long-term goals. We seek to protect valuable natural resources, safely disposing of or “unmaking” all waste we create, while developing a sustainable economics that does not depend on continual expansion for survival. We must counterbalance the drive for short-term profits by assuring that economic development, new technologies, and fiscal policies are responsible to future generations who will inherit the results of our actions.

QUALITY OF LIFE
Our overall goal is not merely to survive, but to share lives that are truly worth living. We believe the quality of our individual lives is enriched by the quality of all of our lives. We encourage everyone to see the dignity and intrinsic worth in all of life, and to take the time to understand and appreciate themselves, their community and the magnificent beauty of this world.

OWS Key Issues

Income Inequality
Robin Hood Tax
Student Loan Debt
The Volcker Rule
Foreclosure Crisis
Political Favoring Of The Rich
Corporate Personhood

Bernie Sanders Key Issues

INCOME AND WEALTH INEQUALITY
IT'S TIME TO MAKE COLLEGE TUITION FREE AND DEBT FREE
GETTING BIG MONEY OUT OF POLITICS AND RESTORING DEMOCRACY
CREATING DECENT PAYING JOBS
A LIVING WAGE
COMBATING CLIMATE CHANGE TO SAVE THE PLANET
A FAIR AND HUMANE IMMIGRATION POLICY
RACIAL JUSTICE
FIGHTING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING
FIGHTING FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS
WORKING TO CREATE AN AIDS AND HIV-FREE GENERATION
FIGHTING FOR LGBT EQUALITY
EMPOWERING TRIBAL NATIONS
CARING FOR OUR VETERANS
MEDICARE FOR ALL
STRENGTHEN AND EXPAND SOCIAL SECURITY
FIGHTING TO LOWER PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES
FIGHTING FOR DISABILITY RIGHTS
SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS' PLAN FOR PUERTO RICO
STANDING WITH GUAM
PREVENTING A GLOBAL RACE TO THE BOTTOM IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY
GENERAL ELECTRIC MUST PAY TO RESTORE THE HUDSON RIVER
CONSTITUTION PIPELINE MUST BE DEFEATED
SUPPORTING HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES
ENDING THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM
FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHTS OF NATIVE HAWAIIANS
IMPROVING THE RURAL ECONOMY
FIGHTING FOR NURSES
REFORMING WALL STREET
REAL FAMILY VALUES
WAR AND PEACE
WAR SHOULD BE THE LAST OPTION: WHY I SUPPORT THE IRAN DEAL
MAKING THE WEALTHY, WALL STREET, AND LARGE CORPORATIONS PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE

Instead we have a sham election for the primary, and the full monte of using everything possible to throw the election to the anointed one, with a complete circumvention of the will of the people toward a progressive agenda...

They Blew It!
Not Us!
They Just Don't Phuckin Listen...

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I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."

~John F. Kennedy~
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us peasants live in. That's also why they will not see it coming when the revolution bursts forth.

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Love is my religion.

and they have no idea how to stifle it. At the convention they locked delegates out, sat in their seats, chanted over them, prevented Nina Turner from speaking. And all that happened after they said WE NEED UNITY. They know they need the revolutionaries' votes, but those damn revolutionaries refuse to heel.

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to be beaten and abused some more.

Some of us are cats. And cats don't stay where they are not treated right. They get on their four paws and they go, baby, go. And they never come back.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Alphalop's picture

I had a cat a long time back that pissed in the guy my sister was datings bag.

Nobody liked him and I think the cat could tell. Smile

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

There's some of that here in the SF Bay Area and I think it has resulted in some "who is that person and how the hell did they win the election?" results (just my hazy recollection at the moment).

I think what we really need is proportional voting (as with a parliament) instead of the current winner take all, but that may require a Constitutional amendment so that is clearly not going to happen.

I've seen a lot of the "what about Nader?" crap recently over at the Guardian and I've tried to counter it when I see it. I notice that some other people have been taking on that task there too. I mention Gore not winning his home state, his very bad choice of Lieberman, and 250-300K FL Democrats voting R far outweighing the 90-95K votes Nader got in FL. But it is a hopeless task, the meme appears too firmly embedded.

The Democratic Party is clearly going to continue to make sure they've collected lots of excuses to have on hand if they need them. Stein and "BerniBros" colluding with Putin to throw the election is very likely at the top of the list.

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tired old D trope. If the left can bring down a D candidate and they realize it, why wouldn't they tilt to the left?? Because they don't believe their own BS, and would rather their party lost than give in to the left. (I'm at the stage of "oh yeah? Nader made Gore lose? well then ya better freaking get some better candidates, ya think?" ) In any event IF the left can be seen to bring down a D, WE WIN.

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In any event IF the left can be seen to bring down a D, WE WIN.

That's what we know that they don't grasp.

We don't have to win the battle to win the war.

All we have to do is make it readily apparent of 2 things.

1. They Cannot win without us.

2. We are done being taken for granted.

That would shake things up like a mother, because as much as politicians like their corporate masters, they like their job and power more.

We need to make them aware that we can and will take that away from them if they don't represent us.

But it is gonna take a commitment to a real difficult decision in that voting booth.

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Not only do we need to send the clear message that there is no winning without our support, in addition, we need to build out our own infrastructure that will help us to win without their help. Everything from GOTV operations to organizational development to messaging, etc.

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