Democrats have talked themselves into being Trump's biggest supporters

It's not surprising that the news media loved Trump's new pointless war against the Syrian government.

MSNBC’s Brian Williams hailed video of the strikes as “beautiful,” and CNN’s Fareed Zakaria identified this as the moment when Trump became president.

What is surprising is who has become Trump's supporters, and who hasn't. Consider Democrats.

Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader, said on Thursday night that “making sure Assad knows that when he commits such despicable atrocities he will pay a price is the right thing to do,” while House Minority Leader Pelosi said the strike appeared “to be a proportional response” to the chemical weapons attack.
Senator Elizabeth Warren said the “Syrian regime must be held accountable,” while Senator Mark Warner said that Assad “could not go unpunished,” and Senator Dick Durbin called it a “measured response.
... Hillary Clinton, who was criticized by the party’s left flank during the presidential election for a tendency to be overly supportive of military action, even said earlier in the day on Thursday that the United States should “take out” Assad’s airfields.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse said “last night’s military action in Syria met my standards for responding to atrocity: a limited action; with a clear objective.” And Florida Senator Bill Nelson offered unqualified praise on Thursday evening, saying in a tweet that he hopes it will teach “Assad not to use chemical weapons again.”

Nearly half of Senate Democrats have come out publically endorsing Trump.
So obviously the Democratic politicians are now on board with supporting Trump, but it extends beyond that.
Over on TOP, where hating Trump is a full-time occupation, this is a good example of the reaction: Trump Probably Did The Right Thing in Syria. So Why Does It Feel So Ominous?
I'll give Rob credit for realizing that something is wrong here, while still being too dim to figure it out. He's still smarter than 90% of TOP.

Meanwhile, consider who aren't fans of this new war: Trump voters.

“What Trump did was nothing less than a betrayal, a betrayal of his supporters, of his message ‘America First!,’ of his promise to be different—to learn from the mistakes of the past and chart a new course,” said Richard Spencer, the alt-right leader who takes credit for coining the term. “I'll wait and see, of course, but I'm not sure I can continue to support him. Most all of the alt-right feels the same way.”..
Cernovich, who claimed this week that the chemical attack was carried out by “deep state agents,” told me he still supports Trump.
“If Hillary had been elected I wouldn't even bother speaking out, as war would be certain,” Cernovich said in an email. “I'm still a Trump supporter, as last night's air strikes appeared to have been limited. I do not and will not support another war in the Middle East.”

Chalk this one up as something I'd never thought I'd see in my life: right-wing nuts making sense on foreign policy, while so-called liberals lusting for blood behind a president that was supposed to represent everything bad.
How did we get to this point?

Glenn Greenwald points out how this is yet another self-inflicted wound by the Democrats.

Democrats have spent months wrapping themselves in extremely nationalistic and militaristic rhetoric. They have constantly accused Trump of being a traitor to the U.S., a puppet of Putin, and unwilling to defend U.S. interests. They have specifically tried to exploit Assad’s crimes by tying the Syrian leader to Trump, insisting that Trump would never confront Assad because doing so would anger his Kremlin masters. They have embraced a framework whereby anyone who refuses to confront Putin or Assad is deemed a sympathizer of, or a servant to, foreign enemies.
Having pushed those tactics and themes, Democrats have painted themselves into a corner. How could they possibly do anything but cheer as Trump bombs Syria? They can’t. And cheering is thus exactly what they’re doing...
Much as George H.W. Bush was motivated to shed his “wimp” image by invading Panama, of course Trump will be motivated to prove he’s not controlled by Putin via blackmail by seeking confrontation with the Russian leader. And that’s exactly what he just did. War is the classic weapon U.S. Presidents use to show they are strong, patriotic and deserving of respect; the more those attributes are called in question, the greater that compulsion becomes:

This is a war that Democrats cheered for, argued for, chanted for, and most of all dared Trump for.
Trump pulled the trigger, but Democrats put the gun in his hand.

Greenwald then goes on to point out the implications.

Democratic Party leaders have explicitly praised Trump’s bombing. They will have to continue to do so even if Trump expands this war. That’s what the Democratic Party has turned itself into to; indeed, it’s what it has been for a long time...
Those who instantly fall in line behind Trump as he bombs people are ensuring that he will keep doing it. As the instantly popular post-9/11 George W. Bush showed, those praising Trump for bombing Syria are also building him up in general so that he becomes stronger with everything else he wants to do.

The Hillary supporters, the ones who hated Trump the most, have now talked themselves into a position of having to support Trump every time he drops a bomb. They are in the position of making Trump politically stronger, while making the Democrats weaker.
Trump has a way to muzzle their attacks whenever he chooses. All it requires is killing foreigners.

Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of the last 24 hours has been watching those who have vilified Trump as an Evil Fascist and Bumbling Clown and Unstable Sociopath suddenly decide that they want him to bomb Syria. Even if you’re someone who in the abstract wanted the U.S. to attack Assad, shouldn’t your view that Trump is a completely unstable and incompetent monster prevent you from endorsing this war, with Trump as the Commander-in-Chief?
What happened to all the warnings about Trump’s towering incompetence and core evil? Where are all the grave predictions that he’s leading the world on a path of authoritarianism, fascism and blood and soil nationalism? They all gave way to War Fever
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fakenews's picture

Call your congressmen and demand a nuclear strike against Russia and Syria!! Let's get the whole thing the fuck over! I say let's get it on! Don't let your congressman off the hook, either he wants to nuke all these fuckers or he's a god damn communist. I demand my congressman vote for a surprise FIRST STRIKE against N.Korea, Russia, Iran and Syria!! Let's go USA!!! I give up! GO WAR NEOCONS!!! WE ARE THE FUCKIN' NAZIS!

Peace - maybe not
FN

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Big Al's picture

so fucking tragic. Well I knew the dem party and it's supporters, like those on Daily Kos, COULD NOT be part of an antiwar movement because everything Trump would do was what Obama was doing or trying to do. They did paint themselves into a corner, a very hypocritical corner.

So now we find out who really is antiwar, anti-imperialism.
The right wing might not like it, but they'll still support Trump, like the left wing supported Obama. Like trained monkeys. "Support your party, support your politicians, don't think for yourselves you idiots!"

This is really bad. I'm seeing a lot of people that know the deal though, whether that's more than usual when it comes to U.S. wars or not I don't know. The way the corporate media is handling it and the comments I've seen on some mainstream news sites indicate a lot of people who are swallowing the propaganda hook, line and sinker. Even most of those who don't favor military strikes aren't saying it because the U.S. is the real criminal factor in this but because it's not their concern to "save" Syria and the Syrian people.
This really is an information war.

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@Big Al
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Meanwhile over on TOP: Ya'll realize that Donnie gutted his Alt-Right base last night, right?

This is a 2 + 2 = 5 moment.
Liberals on TOP are celebrating that Trump pissed off his base because they don't want another war, while endorsing Trump's useless war and abandoning their core values to do it, while still hating Trump.

I'm unable to accomplish this doublethink.

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@gjohnsit That means they LIKE HILLARY!

Which means that everything that happened is because those whiny crybabies couldn't get over emails.

Which this was all about.

Moral superiority achieved, and no effort required.

/TOP logic

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You can't expect to wield Supreme Military power, just cause some corporate tosser lobbed a contract at you!

@gjohnsit Trump was an 11th dimensional chess master?

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@Dr. John Carpenter
to outsmart and con the kids in the short bus.

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@gjohnsit
Smile

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@gjohnsit He's selling magic beans. And they're flying off the shelves of America.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
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@Big Al I'm not sure the right wing will continue to support Trump. They got burned by Bush, they just don't like to lose face and admit it in front of liberals. The right is split into xenophobic isolationist nationalists and corporatist fascist warmongers. The latter never supported Trump anyway; the former? I think they're quite capable of deserting Trump if he keeps this shit up.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
--strollingone

The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
--Q

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
It isn't just the Dems that are on the verge of civil war. The Repubs are too.
The only thing that's kept the Repubs together is election victories.

I think the next financial bubble to burst (and it's very, very close) will be enough to trigger one or both parties to melt down.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I was just going by one of the links above where the guy said he was disappointed but would still support Trump.

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@Big Al I took that as "for now," but maybe I'm reading into that.

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The part of John Edwards could easily be played by a burnt out light bulb.
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The issue is patriotism. You've got to get back to your planet and stop the Commies. All it takes is a few good men.
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for Giant Meteor to come from behind the sun.
It will be "beautiful".

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

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@Pricknick

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Now, Surprise, surprise, surprise... it turns out that the chemical weapons have links to...

Russia. http://abc7.com/news/pentagon-looking-into-russias-role-in-syrian-chemic...

Which of course makes me have THIS reaction.

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You can't expect to wield Supreme Military power, just cause some corporate tosser lobbed a contract at you!

No one can accuse Democrats of rigidity! They are as flexible as gold medaling Olympic gymnasts. That has to count for something, right?

We hate money in politics! Damn those money-raising, big bucks donating Republicans!

Of course, Obama had to raise .75 billion, even though McCain went forward under McCain Feingold because...talk radio? And who says Goldman Sachs must expect something from the Clintons besides speeches for all that money? A speech in Hillary's dulcet tones is worth every penny they paid her. I'm sure we'd see all that and more if she releases the transcripts. And the onliest reason she isn't releasing them is that Sanders and Trump aren't releasing their tax returns. After all it's only her against them. The American people don't have any stake in any of that whatever.

We hate the Iraq War! And we hate Bush for lying America into it. Who did he think he was fooling, anyway? Thank heaven Obama will end it.

Er... thank heaven that Obama will extend the SOFA deadline that Bush negotiated before leaving office! And who can possibly blame poor attorney Hillary for not seeing through Bush, like most of the left in America did. And that surge in Afghanistan was icing on the cake.

In fact, we hate Bush and his drone killings and his Middle East wars.

Poor Obama had to up drone killings by multiples of Bush and did not even get to give medals to drone operators as he wanted. It's a shame the left just doesn't have his back. And thank heaven Hillary is supporting Not My President President Trump in his attack on Syria in violation of the War Powers clause of the Constitution of the United States.

We hate torture! Damn that Bushco to hell, anyway.

Well, of course Obama couldn't close GITMO because Congress. The CIC is powerless in that, right? And, sure there are still black holes like Bagram and we still engage in extraordinary extradition to places like Syria, but that's it! Only the tip, I swear! Besides, it's highly debatable whether making a transgender woman remain naked and blanket-less (and cold) would violate the UN Convention Against Convention Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment if she weren't an American citizen, isn't it? (I'm keeping an open mind about Trump's torture policies until Hillary says something on that topic.)

See? Flexible. They can twist themselves into pretzels at the drop of an administration. Their only North Star is a (D) after someone's name. And no one would ever accuse them of being (gasp) principled, much less pure.

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"MSNBC's Brian Williams" got to be MSNBC's Brian Williams instead of NBC's Brian Williams.

Because, apparently, paying him millions a year at MSNBC instead of the same amount at NBC somehow fixes his having turned the NBC nightly news into a one-man improv show letting his audience in on the joke.

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I just sent this to my "liberal" and spineless Dem Senator

"Good" Senator Baldwin,

I read this on your website today:

“The Assad regime’s latest use of chemical weapons against the Syrian people is reprehensible and violates international law. The United States has taken a measured response, but I am concerned by the lack of a clear and comprehensive strategy for Syria and the region. I believe that the Administration must work with Congress as an equal partner regarding any additional military action and communicate its long-range goals and plans to the American people.”

And I have to ask: How do you know Assad used chemical weapons and can you generate a plausible reason why he would? A week ago the President & SOS said removing Assad was not a priority, then Assad does the one thing that will galvanize interventionists across the West against him. Why does that make sense to you?

GLS

for your edification "Good" Senator: https[colon-slash-slash]consortiumnews[dot]com[slash]2017[slash]04[slash]05[slash]another-dangerous-rush-to-judgment-in-syria[slash]

The dots 'n' slashes are spelled out because her web portal rejects anything that looks like a link. Claims it protects against malicious code but I think it's there to protect her bubble against information.

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The only reason the 1% are rich is because the 99% have agreed to it.

@GreatLakeSailor

Do I waste my time? Do I humor them in the pretense that they give a rat's tail what their constituents think? Or is it worth it, just to let them know someone is watching?

I vacillate.

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In response to the diary you linked to on DK.

Anybody who believes that America, notwithstanding some major missteps — *cough* Iraq *cough* — is overall a force for good in the world understands that America cannot simply do nothing in the face of the horrific crimes against humanity currently being perpetrated out in the open in Syria. The attacks (assuming it doesn’t escalate) were proportional, appropriate, and just. Moreover, it appears to represent a major shift in not just American policy, but Donald Trump’s policy. Attacking Syria is a direct refutation of the xenophobic/nationalistic “America First” outlook of America and it’s place in the world, as well as it’s primary patron, one Stephan K Bannon. It is no coincidence that this occurred days after Bannon’s humiliating demotion. Not that Bannon, were he still on the principles committee, would have necessarily prevented this attack. Just that his demotion crystallized the waning influence of his world view in Trumps eyes, thus making yesterdays actions much more likely then had Bannon retained his out sized influence with the President. The hysterical reaction from the alt right/Breitbart part of the internet suggests all you need to know about how they — and their patron saint Steve Bannon — feel about the attacks (as a side note, WHY they are so opposed is a very interesting question, and likely an entire article in and of itself. My gut feeling is two fold: we know that Putin’s bot army tends to launder it’s memes/disinformation through right wing blogs/alt media, and that the Kremlin is clearly not happy about what’s unfolding in Syria. Thus even if most of the commentators are not themselves Russian disinformation agents, it makes sense that Kremlin approved views will matriculate to the “legit” alt right community. Second, ANY international adventurism, no matter how morally justified, is an inherent threat to the alt rights brand of ethno-nationalism. Such operations inevitably lead to coalition building, strengthened alliances and, increased economic ties and, by extension, more overall global cooperation leads to *gasp* more globalism).

I think I'm going with WTF!
The US is a force of good in the Middle East except for Iraq ?
So basically the author is saying that what this country did to Libya was a good thing? Or it was great that Obama using drones in 7-8 countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 was a good thing?
Or any of the other things this country did to the Middle East when Obama was president.

As for the horrific crimes against humanity that this author unequivocally states was done by Assad that needed to be responded to. I guess that all the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed by this country aren't considered horrific crimes against humanity because they were done by this country.
Does he agree with Albright that it was worth it to kill 500,000 Iraqi children due to the sanctions that Clinton put on Iraq?
And that destroying Libya was another good thing done by this country because Gaddafi is dead?
I wonder how he feels about our complicity in the genocide that we are helping the Saudis commit in Yemen.
And more WTF from the author.

Without doubt, some good has already come from this. The positive reviews from the “fake news”, the broad and wide ranging (and, it should be said, appropriate) bipartisan support from players from John McCain and Lyndsey Graham and Ted Cruz to Al Franken and Chuck Schumer will further marginalize Bannon’s toxic influence. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that move with Bannon’s fingerprints on it has led to failure and ridicule (the travel ban parts 1 and 2, the Obamacare repeal, the absurd Nunes affair) and the one major move that is explicitly anti Bannonesque seems to be his biggest winner will almost certainly further move Bannon out the door. This is an unequivocally good thing.

Oh hell yes, getting bipartisan support from Schumer, McCain and Graham is without a doubt a good thing that came from Trump bombing the Syrian Air Force base.
At least he's getting some flack in the few comments on this POS diary.
Now excuse me while I go throw up.

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@snoopydawg

getting bipartisan support from Schumer, McCain and Graham is without a doubt a good thing

This is coming from the same school that is nostalgic for the Dubya presidency because he criticized Trump.
...but then supports Trump in war.
And why does he support this war? He never mentions the actual merits of the war, or what we hope to accomplish. Nope. It's about a) signaling his virtue, and b) promoting Team Blue.

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@gjohnsit
or whatever the hell he is trying to say. Have to admit that I had a hard time following him.

I forgot to address this part of his diary.

My gut feeling is two fold: we know that Putin’s bot army tends to launder it’s memes/disinformation through right wing blogs/alt media, and that the Kremlin is clearly not happy about what’s unfolding in Syria. Thus even if most of the commentators are not themselves Russian disinformation agents, it makes sense that Kremlin approved views will matriculate to the “legit” alt right community.

We know that Brock spent a million on Hillary's bot army to launder its memes/disinformation through left wing blogs such as Daily Kos and that Hillary was clearly unhappy that a no fly zone wasn't created over Syria in order to protect their moderate rebels
(Al Qaida and its offshoots)
I can't make sense rest of what he wrote. I had a hard time following him anyway.

And yes they do seem to be nostalgic for Bush. He danced on the Ellen show and got a hug from Michelle who is always so gracious.

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@snoopydawg is up to I guess but I admit, I only skimmed most of the attached idiocy. Thank you for subjecting yourself to it. I've been working hard not to rant all damned day and not doing well at it. These people. As I was reading this diary I got an incoming shit mail from none other than Nancy Pelosi, bragging about the "amazing fundraising" they're having today.... I cannot Unsubscribe to them now matter how many times I try. I'm going to go have a drink so I don't have to vomit.

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@lizzyh7
with everything that's going on today after last nights bombings. I too was just going to read stuff and not comment today, but that went out the window when I read that diary.
And I recently read that the election of Trump has been a financial windfall for the democrats. If people are dumb enough to give them their money and thinking that they are going to fix anything or fight back against Trump and the republicans, then they are deceiving themselves. Pelosi already told us that she doesn't think that the DP needs to change anything.

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ggersh's picture

the neoliberals won and are still winning, first Ocare is saved
sabre rattling w/NK, now war in Syria, next a grand bargain?

There isn't a more than a handful of pols in DC that actually
care/vote in the people's interest.

Maybe WJC is lurking somewhere in the background or worse Ivanka
and Chelsea have renewed their friendship.

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“Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it. Yet those who DO study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeats it.” Unknown.

@ggersh hanging out socially with Trump and Melania.... All will be good and they can get together at that White House they all covet so.

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@lizzyh7 @lizzyh7 @lizzyh7 see this time is different.%) Wacko

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“Those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it. Yet those who DO study history are doomed to stand by helplessly while everyone else repeats it.” Unknown.

I can't cite specific diaries, but this outcome was discussed here multiple times, that Drumpf would be pushed in whatever ways necessary to get him to do the neocons' and neoliberals' bidding to get 'em that NEW war they're all pining for like the f'd up psychopaths they apparently all are. When I read Greenwald's article today I nearly screamed out loud at the horror of it all. The world has indeed turned upside down even more than it did during the election. All my naïve beliefs growing up and on into adulthood about the U.S. keep getting re-destroyed.

My first taste was from being a double-major in English Literature and, more to the point, Spanish, as an undergraduate. Taking poetry classes in the Spanish language taught by professors from different Central and South American countries featuring poets from those countries many of whom used imagery of a death-eagle with bloody talons to describe this country shocked me, but somehow I continued to believe that this was all the doing of conservatives / Republicans.

Now I know that isn't true and that Mammon is the only true god of the leaders of this place no matter whether they wear a pachyderm or a jack-ass pin on their label next to the felon-striped American flag one. I watched in confusion and then growing disillusionment as Obama broke so many promises, many related to foreign policy, but still he held back from directly inciting a world war. So, thanks, I guess. Meanwhile, we won't get the truth about this specific event from these excuses for human beings any more than we have about anything else war and money-munitions related. At the next Olympics, instead of chanting "U-S-A! U-S-A!", we really should all just start yelling "Ka-CHING! Ka-CHING! Bombs for everybody!" It's our real national motto after all.

I'm nauseated by all this death-dealing and charnel house hypocrisy. Please let there be some sane force / nation or nations out there that will hold us back enough to prevent the worst. I'm not confident, but I have to cling to hope.

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@NCExile
we started school and even before then. I don't know how old you are, but I grew up playing cowboys and Indians thinking that if I was the cowboy and killed the Indians then I was the good guy because the Indians just slaughtered everyone they saw and the cowboys saved us from them.
Then we pledged allegiance to the flag, celebrated Columbus because he discovered this wonderful country but we were never told the truth about what he did to the Natives. Look at how long it has taken for people to try to change Columbus Day to something else because we finally found out what he did.
Even after Obama broke so many of his campaign promises, and continued to do everything that Bush did, so many people still were supportive of the DP until Bernie came along and told us the truth about them.
You are right that Obama did what he could to keep large numbers of troops out of Iraq and especially Syria. The pentagon, the CIA, the republicans and even some members of his party wanted him to put troops in Syria. I'm not excusing what he did do, but he was under a lot of pressure to expand the wars with more troops.
I too try to cling to some hope that some day there will be something done to our government and this madness will stop. But I don't think it's going to be in my lifetime.
People keep saying that all empires finally die. This one is long past its due date.

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but, why is it that kids killed by Assad is a war crime (genocide???), but the four children just offed by Trump (via Raytheon) is just fine and dandy? How does Trump compute that?

Seems to me that the partisan residents of the Duopoly (formerly the United States of America) have suffered some collateral damage when it comes to thought processes.

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Gëzuar!!

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@Bollox Ref
Trump killed over 200 people in Mosul after the military watched as ISIS herded civilians into a building and destroyed anyway. And how many hospitals has this country bombed, but the only bombings of hospitals we hear about is when it's Russia or the Syrians doing it.

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@Bollox Ref My understanding, is that if you paint Hellfire, Daisy Cutter, or Tomahawk on your bombs, and they cost a million a piece that is sucked out of every citizen's livelihood, they are OK and generate praise and smiles when they obliterate innocents, but if they only consist of a barrel, even if used to fight terrorists, you are an evil, evil madman...."barrel bombs! barrel bombs, barrel bombs! The horror!"

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. . . and will always be the party of Scoop Jackson, the legendary "Senator from Boeing."

No Eugene McCarthys, no George McGoverns, and no peace marchers are ever going to change that. Both parties are private clubs; they don't have to be "fair" or "representative," and no court can force them to be so. Attempting to use either of them to change the system is a waste of time and effort.

The great divide is not between D's and R's -- it's between small-r republicans and imperialists; between those who would end the empire to save the republic, and those who would end the republic to save the empire. The elites of both parties and the mass media are totally controlled by imperialist money; most ordinary people are bamboozled by the media, but beginning to ask, "What's in this empire deal for me, my kids, and their kids?"

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