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The Weekly Watch

Creating a Positive Future

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I thought it might be nice to close the year out on a constructive note. I tend to focus on all the insanity, but there's many good things going on around the world. People are creative, and folks, given our path, we better be able to adapt and be constructive. It will be up to us. My major prof often said our job is to develop farming methods that work to sustain and improve soils. My better half's mentor emphasized building a positive future image of where you're going (in order to get there). In the decades since, we've tired to practice both of these philosophies.

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Everyone has needs. Maslow laid out a hierarchy in 1943

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Helping people to achieve the fulfillment of all these needs would be a challenge. I don't really think it could be legislated or forced on people. It needs to grow organically. I grew up in a time when I thought we could lift ourselves to a higher place of peace and fulfillment.

Many of us grew up during the '60's. I caught an interesting piece about what those times did for our generation...

(19 min) We explore what growing up in the 1960s actually did to the brain.
This was a decade that delivered the impossible and the unthinkable in equal measure. Moon landings and assassinations. Cultural earthquakes and nuclear drills. A childhood that was equal parts freedom and uncertainty. And somehow, it shaped them into some of the most psychologically resilient people walking the planet today.
From the daily rituals that built independence before they even reached the classroom, to the shared moments that imprinted an entire generation with a unique relationship to hope, loss, and everything in between. If you grew up in the 1960s, this will explain why you think the way you do. If you didn't, this will help you understand the people who did.

Self sufficiency has been my goal since the 60's as the back to land movement evolved. Scott and Helen Nearing's book, "Living the Good Life" was one of the books that shaped my goals. I recently discovered a fellow traveler, John Seymour.
1975: "Crank Peasant" JOHN SEYMOUR on SELF-SUFFICIENCY

(8 min) Author John Seymour, a self-professed “crank peasant”, has been self-sufficient since the mid-1950s. It wasn’t deliberate – he just bought a cow, and things snowballed. But he’s still seen as a trailblazer for the self-reliance movement.
With a bit of everything on his farm – crops, pigs, hens, ponies, a horse, a herd of cows and a batch of home-made beer – he reflects on the ups and downs of his simple, if demanding, life.

Seymour developed a school of self sufficiency

(4.5 min) William Sutherland, self sufficiency course teacher for more than 40 years and co author of John Seymour's self sufficiency book.

As a teen I realized food production was a need, and I had an interest. I graduated with a degree in Agronomy (soil science) and went on to get my MS in soil fertility and forage management. I started a PhD, but realized the publish or perish world of research wasn't for me, so I shifted to a MEd in science ed and that was a good fit for me. Teaching is a profession that is needed most everywhere, including this back woods holler. I hope my teaching career helped some of my students create their own productive future.

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Working with others...
Let's look at some different communities as examples of our options.

Why isn't all housing designed like this?

"One of the most beautiful eco villages I've ever been to."
Come wander with me through The Paddock Eco Village on the edge of Castlemaine, Victoria, and discover what becomes possible when homes, food, water, wildlife, and belonging are woven together as one living commons.
This isn't housing designed for profit - it's housing designed for well being.
What makes this place special?
Shared gardens at the heart of the neighborhood
Community chicken coop with a shared egg system
Car-free commons where children and wildlife roam safely
Shared laundry and workshop spaces reducing waste and building connection
Rainwater harvesting systems feeding homes and gardens
Community house hosting gatherings and guesthouse
What I love most is how simple, practical design choices create a truly nourishing everyday life. This is permaculture in action - not just in the gardens, but in the social structures that hold this community together.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 Arriving at The Paddock Eco Village near Castlemaine
02:27 Shared workshop, community chickens & the egg commons
04:47 Healthy human habitats: rewilding & living with wildlife
07:06 The commons, wicking beds & community self-management
09:30 Harvest sharing, fruit trees & the village walkway
11:49 Shared laundry, roof water collection & the community house
14:12 Car-free living, ponds & rehydrating the landscape
16:39 Why this model matters: putting life first
21:30 The bigger invitation: weaving people, food & nature together
You can get the gist in about 15 minutes.
This community does have individually owned homes which many people can't afford.

We had a house raising to create our home. We love our house and it is filled with the good spirit of all our friends who helped with the project.

Kirsten Dirksen visits some of the most interesting homes around the world. This channel is about more than unique houses—it’s about the people who build, adapt, and imagine their own ways of living.

Our homes speak volumes about who we are. Creating a comfortable home environment is key to our ability to adapt to the coming changes. A comfortable community is also a big piece of the puzzle.

Have You Ever Wanted To Drop Out Of Capitalism?

(7 min) In exchange for working around 40 hours a week, Twin Oaks’ roughly 100 residents get everything taken care of, free of charge, from food to housing to health insurance. But the community is able to provide so generously because of their successful businesses; for over thirty years, they produced every hammock sold at Pier One and today, they sell tofu to Whole Foods.

If you want more on Twin Oaks this is a nice 28 minute interview.
A Legendary Farmer that Lives on a Commune
Pam Dawling of Twin Oaks Community in Louisa, VA. She ran a 3.5-acre vegetable farm to feed her 100 member intentional community for 20 years. She is also an accomplished author. Learn about the amazing farm and community in this video.

Inside the Commune Selling Seeds to the World |Acorn Community

(18 min) Our family visited Acorn Community in Mineral, Virginia; an income sharing community that operates one of the largest seed business's in the USA.
We met individuals from different intentional communities and ecovillages across the U.S. that had come to help the business, Southern Exposure Seed Exchange, package seeds during their busy season. This video takes you on a tour of the co-op community and introduces you to some of the inspiring people we met who were living together and working together.

If this style community interests you, check out the foundation of intentional community. They have a 1000 plus communities listed from all over the world.

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Food Production
Control the food, control the people. Get to know your local farmers. May cost more in the short run, but may pay off in the long run.

There's as many approaches to gardening as there are gardeners. Looking back at the past can be useful.
Why We Stopped Planting Corn Like This And Why It Was A Mistake (18 min)
The Ancient Symbiosis That Beats Modern Farming.
Native Americans didn't plant in straight rows. They planted "The Three Sisters"—Corn, Beans, and Squash—together in a specific layout. This wasn't just tradition; it was advanced biotechnology.
In this documentary, we explore the science behind why this ancient method produces more calories per acre than modern industrial machines, and why we abandoned it for a system that is killing our soil.
What you'll discover:
The "Lost History" of the Iroquois food forests.
The villainous reason we separated the crops (it's not what you think).
The biological mechanism: Nitrogen fixation and living mulch.
Why "messy" farms are actually more efficient than clean ones.
How to plant your own Three Sisters survival garden.

I don't use the three sisters method, but we do intercrop our beds incorporating several species.

A few weeks ago I wrote a piece about our local regenerative farm, Windy Hill. It is a small 60 acre operation. I've been enamored of small scale farming and production systems, but we really enjoyed our visit to the 3200 acre large scale diverse farm at White Oak Pastures...

(7 min) White Oak Pastures is a 150 year old multigenerational family farm that cooperates with nature to produce artisan products. We work hard to ensure that all of our production practices are Fair, Sustainable, and Humane. We never fail to conduct our business in an honorable manner, for the sake of our animals, our land, and our people who produce and consume our goods. This is our story.

To learn more you might want to check out this 8 part series on this diverse and vertically integrated farm. My introduction to Will came from the Soil Carbon Cowboy series.
One Hundred Thousand Beating Hearts

(15 min) Fourth generation cattleman, Will Harris, shares his evolution from industrial, commodity cowboy to sustainable, humane food producer. A growing group of consumers look at beef consumption as a terrible environmental and moral choice. Harris’s work in southwest Georgia shows how he produces healthy beef that regenerates his soils and allow the animals to express their natural instincts. The 150+ jobs he has created are breathing new life into a community left behind and forgotten due to, as Will says, the industrialization of agriculture.

They also contract graze 2000 acres of solar fields to eliminate the need for mowing. That's where they use their sheep.

(5 min) Join our Small Ruminants Production Manager, Bridget Hogan, as she and her team give us a look into what a typical day looks like on the farm and at the solar sites.

Excellent overview of regenerative grazing...

(11 min) Regenerative grazing with Joel Salatin and Michael Godfrey
This short film highlights author and farmer Michael Godfrey of Wheatlands Farm and his neighbor and friend - the one and only Joel Salatin!
Michael and Joel discuss the beauty of regenerative grazing, the financial opportunity it represents for farmers, and how working with nature to steward our grasslands echoes the practices of native populations that built rich topsoils all across the continent long before European settlers arrived.

Greg Judy is a masterful farm and livestock manager.
Greg discusses steps from dead farm to thriving pastures!

(12.5 min) Greg discusses steps from dead farm to thriving pastures! Starting with a dead non-productive piece of land can be very challenging.

All these farmers use a bale unroller to spread hay, urine and manure across their farms.

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Here's some recently purchased land at White Oak Pastures. Hay was unrolled and cattle grazed on it a month or so ago. Notice all the manure and think about all the urine deposited in it. This is a primary tool regenerative farmers use to restore fertility. Not too different than preparing a garden.

Non ruminants like chickens and pigs can also regenerate soils...
PIG Farmer Revolutionizes Health Food

(7 min) See the regenerative, pasture based pig operation that turns pork into delicious meat sticks that ship all over the United States

Greg sings the praises of his hair sheep...
If you have small acreage, sheep are your best ruminant animal to manage...

(12 min) If you have small acreage, sheep are your best ruminant animal to manage. With smaller acreage farms, sheep are much better suited than cattle. It takes much more forage to support a cow for year than it does for a sheep. Be careful though with sheep, most people overstock their farm and run out of forage. Remember your flock can easily double or triple in a period of 10 days when they have twin lambs. 20 ewes that have twins, now you have 60 head!

I didn't know clouds were produced by sheep.

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How do you compare these computer generated images to those painstakingly drawn?

(8 min) One of the greatest animated shorts EVER!!! If you aspire to be an animator, you must watch and study this film.
Here's some general foreground of this film. During this time, Walt was very busy making Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. However, in order to create special effects in Snow White in the way Walt envisioned them, the animators had to run tests. They had to see if these effects were even possible and they wanted to see the audiences reactions.
Walt wanted Snow White to be as lifelike as possible so the audience would observe the movie as a live action film rather then a cartoon. Unfortunately, animation is in 2D so Walt and his staff came up with a solution called "The Multiplane Camera" which gave animation a 3D effect.
Different uses of lightning, color, and realism in animals was experimented in this film.
Walt won an Oscar for this film and totally deserved it.

Facing the Coming Crisis
The old passes on and the new comes in to replace it. So it goes with teams of animators replaced by computer generated images. So it will go in many fields as AI replaces people. What will they do? I hope many of them become local food producers. There's also a need for skilled crafts people from carpenters to mechanics. The thing is others won't create those jobs, the people themselves must be creative and adaptable enough to transition to however the world evolves. Ever noticed how during a crisis, a flood, or blizzard, or tornado, people help each other, and act in a more humane way? It is my hope we will rise to the challenge of the coming crisis.

I don't doubt a major crisis is upon us. Have you noticed the price of precious metals? They are up well over 100% for the year. It isn't that the metals are suddenly more valuable, it is the value of the dollar in steep decline. Did you know the children's book, "The Wizard of Oz" was about silver and gold?
The Disturbing Hidden Meaning Behind The Wizard of Oz

(15 min) The story you think you know about Dorothy and her ruby slippers is a lie.
Hollywood changed one crucial detail when they made the 1939 movie. One detail so dangerous they had to bury it.
In the original book, Dorothy's slippers weren't ruby. They were silver. Those silver slippers held a secret message about the greatest financial conspiracy of the 1890s. A coded warning about corrupt bankers, fraudulent politicians, and a rigged system designed to crush ordinary Americans.
L. Frank Baum hid this message in a children's story, knowing it was the only way it would survive. He embedded clues in every character, every road, every piece of magic. Once you know what to look for, everything about this beloved tale transforms into something far darker, and far more dangerous, than you ever imagined.

People who hold metals and are hoping for $10,000 gold and $200 silver should be careful what they wish for because it means economic collapse for everyone else. Like it or not we need one another, and I hope we can maintain a somewhat cohesive society. The need to barter may re-emerge. Have you got any old mercury dimes or pre-1964 coins? Those dimes are now going for $5.

Health is True Wealth
As long as you're healthy you can adapt to the coming changes. I wonder what RFK will suggest for the recommended dietary guidelines next month? I'm convinced eating a proper diet is key to health.

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It is the reason I would love to see a young people's movement into local raised quality food on small farms scattered around our cities and towns. Land prices are the biggest barrier. Greg Judy recommends leasing land to get started. The average age of US farmers is well into the 60's. Like it or not there will be a shift toward younger farmers.

Health is a product of many of the topics in today's column. Being part of a community, living in a home you love, having family and friends in your life, all help to shape our mental and overall health.

So that's my wish for the coming year, health, happiness, fulfillment for you, me, and us all. Next week I'll be back to discussing all the insanity around us and the crazy geopolitics of the day, but believing you are adaptable and resilient will allow us all to cope with the coming changes.
Happy New Year to all the c99 community!

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A healthy mix of topics today.
Plenty to learn from. The broad scope of
your background is evident.

Many thanks for the watch!

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Don't you feel fortunate to have grown up when we did? I sure do.

Those were the days!

1968....#2 U.S. Billboard Hot 100, #1 U.S. Cash Box Top 100, #1 UK Singles Chart, #1 Canada, #1 Australia, #1 New Zealand, #1 West Germany
Original video edited and AI remastered with HQ stereo sound.
"Those Were the Days" is a song credited to Gene Raskin, who put a new English lyric to the Russian romance song "Dorogoi dlinnoyu" ("Дорогой длинною", literally "By the long road"), composed by Boris Fomin (1900–1948) with words by the poet Konstantin Podrevsky. It deals with reminiscence upon youth and romantic idealism. It also deals with tavern activities, which include drinking, singing and dancing.
Mary Hopkin's 1968 debut single of "Those Were the Days", which was produced by Paul McCartney of the Beatles, and arranged by Richard Hewson, became a number one hit on the UK Singles Chart and on the Canadian RPM Magazine charts. The song was featured on her debut album Post Card.
[Verse 1]
Once upon a time there was a tavern
Where we used to raise a glass or two
Remember how we laughed away the hours
Dreamed of all the great things we would do?

[Chorus]
Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way
La la la la...

[Verse 2]
Then the busy years went rushing by us
We lost our starry notions on the way
If by chance I'd see you in the tavern
We'd smile at one another and we'd say

[Chorus]
Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes, those were the days
La la la la...

[Verse 3]
Just tonight I stood before the tavern
Nothing seemed the way it used to be
In the glass, I saw a strange reflection
Was that lonely woman really me?

[Chorus]
Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes, those were the days
La la la la...

[Verse 4]
Through the door there came familiar laughter
I saw your face and heard you call my name
Oh, my friend, we're older but no wiser
For in our hearts, the dreams are still the same

[Chorus]
Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
Those were the days, oh yes, those were the days
La la la la...

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Enjoyed the Mary Hopkin background story.

This is a Curtis Mayfield cover by Mavis Staples -

Peace

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...if we could accept and promote peace. There's a reason we don't. It is our business model...
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Hey sell arms to both sides. What a sick model.

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an ideologic bias. Profit-driven decision making
is the only motive for those bored members.

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...is a term we don't understand. No, we are the bully of the world...

It is a gray day here with a bit of drizzle. However we can use the moisture.
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potlikker which refers to the leftover
liquid used for cooking beans or greens.
Have saved the dirty water almost forever
to add character to dishes. Just never knew
there was a term for it.

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potlikker is what you use to cook beans or make a sauce...or both.

We can grow greens year round so they've been a big part of our diet for many eras. The myth is on new years eat greens for dollars, peas for cents:
It's traditional for many in the South to eat the two foods on the first of January for luck and financial success in the year ahead, particularly in the African-American community. The peas stand for coins and the collards for paper money, and they're often served with cornbread, representing gold. Cooking them with tomatoes is said to bring both money and health, and you supposedly should eat at least 365 peas to benefit on each day of the coming year. Sometimes a penny or a dime is put in the dishes, which gives the most good fortune to the person who finds it — though this might also be a choking hazard, so give people a warning that it's there if you do it.
https://www.foodrepublic.com/2040988/black-eyed-peas-collard-greens-new-...

And pork: In order to find food, a pig roots moving forward, according to Pelaccio. “It’s good to always go forward into the next year—you don’t want to go backward,”

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...in Weekly Watch. It's something I think about a lot, both historic and futuristic agriculture.

Thanks for the many interesting links.

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I appreciate the visit and kind words.

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I saw this performed by them live in thea early sixites, probably '63, maybe 64, but no later.

be well and have a good one

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..for the musical info. Never heard it, so that was fun.

Great folk version.

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That was a really good video on the 3 sisters. The issue for me is what to substitute for corn, since my principle bed would hold 3 or 4 stalks at the most. Stakes wouold, of course work, but also provide no nutrients. Sunflowers might work, some say, but recipes are one issue, as is beating the birds to the seeds. Wink

be well and have a good one

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We don't use a 3 sisters planting either. We eat few grains nor squash. I usually plant one or two winter squash along the garden fence. We used to grow a field of gourds. My line at the time was, "I'm going to make home brew and grow gourds"..."cause the home brew works itself and gourds will die if you work them" (meaning that you'll kill them if you hoe around them).

Over the years things change and certainly in the garden. We learn as we go. As far as gardening goes, to my mind it is about the joy of growing veggies. We focus on leafy greens in winter.

Hope you're not inundated. Looks like lots of rain out your way.

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today cold and clear, no more rain forecast through Thursday. Right now nothing going in the garden except for some leek regrows, green onion regrows and a few still unpicked carrots. Trying to figure out what to plant that I can harvest in spring and then do a serious spring - summer planting. I have some "Aztec broccoli" (Huauzontle) that I hope to interplant with ???? and harvest the Huauzontle leaves throughout the summer (it is alleged to be very heat tolerant) after harvesting the buds. I've never seen it so I don't know what I can plant with it. It might be too bush to intercrop anything meaning that I would then need a legume cover rop for the next winter.

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We have cabbage, collards, broccoli, and onions growing. We'll have to cover them tomorrow. Supposedly a rain is coming through early tomorrow...after which we'll cover them.

My background is in winter cover crops, but in the garden we now spread horse manure and then use a straw mulch. Basically it is a winter sheet compost system.

I'm a lazy gardener and largely use Ruth Stout's method. Using hay in our area is very weedy so we use straw and manure.

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I have been skimming through some video playlists and they are inundated with AI generated junk. Why would Scott Ritter be featured by a website that sells custom crafts?
The main problem with gardening that has plagued me for a decade is water. When you most need it, we get some ban on outdoor watering, maybe limiting usage to one hour from 11pm to midnight. Fines for ignoring it are steep. The increase in the monthly water bill is a deal breaker, as it renders any vegetable produced to be very expensive. Installing a well is expensive, and the break-even mark wouldn't be met in my lifetime. At least my friends on this site can carry on with the old ways and new innovations in agriculture. Kudos to you all. It is beautiful.
Thanks for the interesting and informative OT, dear friend!

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...but I think it is like everything some is good and most is bad.

Water is always the key isn't it? That's one of the main reasons we never developed a pasture grazing system...water. Plus, we're past our time for lots of new chores. Just our maintenance is sufficient. Right now we have beetle damaged pines we need to address. Hey, it is always something...and that's what keeps us going and engaged.

Wishing you and yours the best!

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....than the mind of a visionary Leader, who feels a moral imperative to do the right thing for every human being. This requires a naturally unified community that works together. China demonstrates today that even a population of a billion-plus can work together for a common goal: a better life for all People. Of course, China is incredibly lucky at this time to actually have an Enlightened Leader.

I've read a lot of Chinese history and philosophical classics, going back as far as 2,500 years ago. China's philosophical focus has always been about finding this mythical "Enlightened Leader." The works by Lao Tzu, Confucius, and Sun Tau are really, no more, than simple discussions on how to recognize an Enlightened Leader, if one should happen to drop by. This is the holy grail of both ancient and modern China.

I never expected such a leader to show up in my timeline on this planet. That's just crazy. I don't even think the Chinese expected this. But they know it when they see it. China's confidence has returned. As I have said, back when everybody despised China, just a few short years ago, the Chinese have set out to rescue humanity from environmental catastrophe. They are the only ones with the moral imperative, the genius, the work-ethic, and the economic wherewithal to do that. So they stepped up. All the while holding back the savage and violent civilizations of the West. Always one step ahead of the West, which is now bogged down by its political disunity and chaos.

The Chinese believe they can bring a modest level of peace and prosperity to all humanity through their dedicated vision and example. They believe they can restore a sense of global UNITY in the world by building an open and accessible infrastructure worldwide, where ordinary people from all nations equally, can meet and trade and learn and create together.

...given our path, we better be able to adapt and be constructive. It will be up to us. My major prof often said our job is to develop farming methods that work to sustain and improve soils. My better half's mentor emphasized building a positive future image of where you're going (in order to get there).

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You've got that so right. The current era began with the awakening to agricultural science, only 11,000 years ago. Now we need to finally get it right. Ambitions of social supremacy, institutional monopolies, wealth-seeking competition, and the weaponization of food — the Capitalist Way of Western Governments — is standing on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of human survival. A functioning, thoughtful Democracy its not possible under a purely Capitalist, anti-socialist ideology. Even the inventor of Democracy — Plato — knew 2,500 years ago that a government based on political competition turns into power-mad, blinding greed. Such governments destroy themselves, and their people scatter across continents to survive. In the end, divided and polarized Democracies always devolve into dictatorships. They always fail in the same way.

The path to survival is shared goals and communal cooperation. It's always been in our DNA.

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on this level. Obviously the 'west' is primarily concerned with
maintaining an imaginary chokehold on the rest of the world.

That is doomed to fail. The sooner populations accept this, the
better our chances of survival will be. Perhaps it is a personal
decision which must be made. Being sensible normally does not
cost much, in comparison to the cost of ignorance.
Bankers beware!

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@Pluto's Republic China has lots of deserved admiration from everywhere. However, their crack down on the Christians there is not going to bode well.
Xi is being ridiculous, as is the CCP, on religions. It didn't work in the USSR, won't work in China.

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Hi OtC. Unregistered churches won't submit to government regulations in China because they are infiltrated with foreign nationals, their agents and dupes pursuing their "evangelical" calling. The danger of these churches is similar to the threat of NGOs sponsored directly by US agencies or their proxies.

One need only look at the history of missionaries in the far east acting as the avatars of western imperial conquest, exploitation, and in the current context sedition. Look at the political role of the Unification Church in Japan, Korea and even the US. They corrupt government officials with bribes, impose their foreign views on domestic national policies and try to foment internal and international discord under the sacrosanct claim of "freedom of religion."

Look at the history of "Christian" apartment gatherings in spreading covid from China to South Korea, and then deliberately failing to cooperate with public health efforts as a matter of church policy to pursue the right wing western objective of undermining the democratic Moon Jae-in government. These flaky cult fundamentalist "churches" want to hide from authorities in China because frankly they are the policy vehicle of corrupt subversive foreign interests that seek to undermine the sovereignty of the host nations on behalf of the west. The Unification Church in Japan is now undergoing loss of legal recognition as a bona fide religious organization because of its illegal activities.

I put this religious freedom campaign in the same category as the Uyghur "genocide" campaign.

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@soryang but even the registered churches are required to include certain CCP mantra in their sermans. It is just way too weird for my tastes.

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@on the cusp

...after years of the bogus Western psyop about China's Muslim Uighurs was finally debunked. LOL

There are more Christians in China than in the US. You know that, right?

That you remain susceptible to right-wing Neocon propaganda about China completely blows my mind. But the bullshit suffering of Christians in China will be the least of the poisonous brainwashing you will be subjected to as the US tries to gin up a war with China, and bamboozle the American people with China hate, as usual. China's main rules on the matter is: No mixing of foreign religious fantasies and Chinese politics. Same as the US, when it was a rational nation.

You have helped me to know what to expect from Usians. I will no longer fight against it here.

Now, on the other hand, there are subtleties in the Chinese mind concerning 'gods' and invisible spirits that can confuse god-fearing Westerners. The Chinese are both practical and promiscuous when it comes to religion. Jesus Christ will always be just another fantastical action figure and lucky charm to the Chinese — even to the Christian converts. Over the centuries, this has driven Western missionaries insane. Missionaries would give their Chinese converts small statues of Jesus, the Round-Eye God in a humble toga — but when visiting the Chinese at home, the missionaries would find Jesus wedged into a crowd of revered 'Chinese gods' on a special shelf positioned above their front doors.

(There are a whole lot of very important Chinese gods — the Kitchen God, the God of War, the Longevity God, and so on — and these popular gods each bring special types of good fortune. The "Lucky Jesus" statue became one of them.)

Generations of Chinese would explain to the endless parade of Christian missionaries who travelled to China: "If worshiping one shelf god is lucky, then worshiping many gods on the shelf will bring even more good fortune to our family."

This perspective can also be found in ChinaTowns around the world.

Christian missionaries learned to suck it up and live with China's religious infidelity.

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@Pluto's Republic

...using 5 and 10 year schemes. China no longer has poverty. They have much to admire from re-greening deserts to large solar fields to high speed trains to....

The US empire can still inflict damage as we crash and burn. I'm sorry we have such a destructive nature!

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All human nation-states suffer from it. Go back and read about 5000 years of Chinese History. While you're at it, look at Russian, Central, Eastern, and Western Ancient History. The cradle of civilization is actually in the Middle East. What hasn't been destroyed in wars caused by human greed makes for some fascinating reading. I'm talking about what is now Egypt, Iran, Iraq, areas in North Africa where civilizations such as Carthage existed. Those places had a lot of advanced knowledge. The biggest threat is planetary and universal: human-caused climate change. How are you going to get a bunch of power hungry, international, so-called "leaders" together to peacefully work out solutions? I sure don't know. I've been an environmentalist from a very young age cos it just made simple common sense. Interesting diary and comments especially on the dawn of a New Year. Rec'd!!

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