OT WE 26 FEB 25 ~ Green Deal


Marketed by industrialists, it was supposed to create jobs, infrastructure investment,
energy independence and good for the environment. That all sounds good but what
became of this grand new scheme? The legislature sold out millions of taxpayer monies
to fund this idea. What has it produced?
Using corn to make fuel increases the price of food. This is not disputed.
Yet some Republicans are insisting on keeping costly ethanol provisions of the Democrat
“green new deal” in the Republican budget reconciliation plan.
Rep. Tom Massie
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1894356303239164170.html
Once again, our elected leaders have squandered an opportunity to enact a positive
transformation of our economy for buddy pay-outs and self enrichment. Solar? No.
Wind? No. Affordable Electric cars? Not from China. Mass transit? Fogettaboutit.
By using the "New Deal" nomenclature to inspire belief, we seem to be holding an
empty bag at the end of this proposal.
Open thread so save energy and recycle the trash. Oh, and add anything that burns.

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Doing a bit of research
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The American Action Forum estimates that,
between 2020 and 2029, the energy and environmental
components of the Green New Deal would cost $8.3 trillion to $12.3 trillion.
The pertinent legislation is buried in a Biden era bill: the Inflation Reduction Act.
In one of Trump v2 first executive orders, the president instructed agencies to terminate the so-called “Green New Deal,” which he has described as “ridiculous” and “incredibly wasteful.”
In reality, there is no Green New Deal law in effect in the United States today, despite previous attempts to pass one in Congress. What Trump actually paused funding for in his executive order was the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act: a spending bill passed under former president Joe Biden.
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In a semi-related topic
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After trade dispute, Mexico officially bans the planting of GM corn.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trade-dispute-mexico-officially-bans-00043321...
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It was hijacked by the globalists...
To be used much like COVID to herd people into 15 min cities, eliminate livestock production, and dictate what activities are allowed.
The irony to me is how the "Greens" became warmongers in the EU. Another sell out policy I'm afraid.
Thanks for the OT. It is a lovely day here headed to the 70'sF
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
The deeper I dove into the concept
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it was an obvious omnibus corporate give away
promising utopia and delivering grift instead
marketing it a a 'green new deal'
remember the environment supporters were
ecstatic at the time *but* turned out to be a ruse.
There has got to be a better way.
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Republicans hate the environment
Nothings changed since Reagan removed the solar panels from the roof of the White House.
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
Oh, remember that
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had just enrolled in a solar program in Arizona
when Raygun pulled that stunt. The school
cancelled the program midstream. Damn
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@Socialprogressive I suppose that could be
were just what they did not claim to be under the guise.
Both Pat and Jerry were DEAD SET on drilling in offshore marine sanctuaries. Pat lobbying for Occidental in Santa Monica after leaving office, and Jerry Brown fighting for fracking in the same protected zones.
I suppose if you wish to segregate Democrats from Republicans on the basis of issues which neither has served in the last fifty years, that might work for you.
But it's a blindness that puts you at equal fault.
I apologize if I read too much into your comment.
I should stop feigning anguish over the obvious corrupt politicians and their direct connections to energy companies and global warming.
Old news.
Trump has shutdown federal EV recharging stations
stations across the country. Government employees who drive EV cars won’t be able to recharge their cars at any federal buildings. Why? Dunno, but I’m sure that it won’t give Tesla a boost in charging people. Or maybe I’m just being cynical?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Isn't AAF a lobby group?
Composed of old Dubya administration has beens?
This is from an old source, but it looks like they cut down on their hyperbolic numbers.
Thanks for the OT QMS!
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You are probably right
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The numbers I saw were all over the place.
Part of the problem with these omnibus spending
bills is the actual cost is not broken out of the overall
package. So they included jobs, infrastructure, health
care for all, and everything else in the original proposal.
Then called it green new deal. How that relates to inflation
reduction is anybody's guess.
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The few parts of it that were environmentally inclined, were
mostly give aways to upper income or selected companies.
A tax break for the upper middle class to buy Teslas and mini splits to use for AC. Not much else.
We need electric transmission lines.
Objection! Cornfoozled in extremis.
Caveats - I'm not a farmer, biologist, linguist or chemist. Also not a "southron".
It is a bit misleading to say that corn is used to make fuel. Corn is used to make ethanol, which is used as an additive to gasoline. It is an octane booster and an oxygenate, making engines run more smoothly, more efficiently and cleaner. It has also been used as fuel itself in limited amounts in some special purpose automobile racing engines - this use predates its use as an octane booster and oxygenate in everyday fuels.
"CORN" is a very tricky word, it is not as fungible as one would think. If the corn used to make alcohol were not so used, it would not then be available as "food". If some found its way into the stocks of sweet corn used for corn on the cob, it would be considered to be a contaminant. OTOH, the acreage upon which it is grown could arguably used to grow some sort of "food" crops.
I dunno about all the forms in which "edible" corn is produced, but the corn used to make alcohol is down there with "horse corn", perhaps in a special "industrial corn" hopper. "Sweet corn", eaten as corn on the cob, etc. is the beest of the best of the best, at least out here.
"Horse corn" is a much lower grade, used as animal fodder, it can indirectly enter the food chain in the form of corn fed beef.
What I cannot speak to is the grade/strains of corn used for any of the following, which do enter the food chain
High Fructose Corn Syrup
Regular Corn Syrup (Kayro)
Corn Oil (you know, Mazola)
Corn meal/Polenta (I don't know if this has been subjected to nixtamalization)
Hominy and presumably other products resulting from nixtamalizartion, such as corm masa
Grits, whatever the hell they may be
Corn chips
Corn nuts
Corn based breakfast cereals
nonetheless, I suspect the stuff used for human consumption is a better grade than the stuff used for fodder.
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
That is a very corny diatribe
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It is known that ethanol used as an additive to gasoline
ruins the small parts (gaskets, valves, hoses, etc.) in smaller
engines. Especially in a marine environment. Ethanol absorbs
moisture and when used to fuel engines, gums-up the works.
Back on the farm, we knew the difference between "cow corn",
sweet corn and popcorn. You could roast and eat young cow corn.
Not too bad with lots of salt and butter.
I think Mexico has a legitimate issue trying to protect their native
varieties. Had a home made tamale last night, wrapped in corn
husks and made with masa flour. Mmm good.
BWANGO
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Guten morgen Cap'n Q. Yep, gasohol is to be shunned
for certain applications.
Never had the farm(ing) experience personally. Delicious as it can be, corn on the cob isn't all that highly digestible, but in season there are roadside stands within 50 to 60 miles that practically give away some of the best in the universe. Of course, it also shows up at the farmers' market here.
Mexico is absolutely right in what it is doing. They've been going that way for a while now. They do have the mother of all corn there, among other things.
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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Hmmm….
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Trump: “ The Ukraine war wouldn’t have started if I was president at the time.”
Plus he put the harshest sanctions on Russia and admitted 4 countries into NATO.
If weapons still get sent then he owns the war.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Speaking of agriculture,
here is a great example of burying the lede in headline writing. Zerohedge is all in an uproar over this new story:
Texas Rancher Killed Near Border In IED Attack By Cartel Terrorist
https://archive.ph/Tqdv8
Near Brownsville, Texas! Sounds very menacing. However, on closer examination, the attack actually occurred 80 miles south of the border, in the Santa Rita area of San Fernando, Tamaulipas, Mexico:
https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2025/02/26/texas-ag-commissioner-urges-c...
There is no doubt that South Texas is under assault by the cartels, and cartel-driven violence is a huge issue throughout the area. But the spin applied by that headline is clearly slanted in favor of the "invade and kill them all" side of the divide. The drums are being beaten heavily, as usual.
I truly feel for those ranchers who work spreads that cross the border: there will be no winning for them. And this is a major tragedy. But the answer to that tragedy is not "Kill them all and let Gawd sort it out".
This took place "near the border" in the same way that Denver is "near Kansas". I'm really tired of the social-media/media-media efforts spent whipping the American people into yet another bloodlust-driven war frenzy. We all have people we truly care for that live in the area, and unlimbering the US Government's usual and customary "Ready! Fire! Aim!" tactic, yet again, is not the answer- for them, or anyone else.
Sigh...
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Mentioning Brownsville reminded me
...of this Starbase video
We Went To The Town Elon Musk Took Hostage
We're moving to Mars anyway, so who cares? I don't think they launch Super Heavy in Florida. How is workers' compensation in Texas?
There will be two SpaceX launches from the Kennedy Space Center tonight. They are lunar missions from what I understand.
edit: one is a lunar mission, the other is a starlink payload.
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Yeah, billionaires are not inclined to be
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much into environmental issues,
blowing-up rockets is just fun for them.
About the only environments within their
concern are exploitable ones.
Was there an EO in the flurry that stated
rules do not pertain to rulers? Wouldn't surprise
me if there was.
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I liked the psycholinguistics for explosion
or "blowing up" QMS.
"unexpected rapid disintegration" I think they called it.
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"Superprompt unscheduled disassembly",
I think. Hearkens back to the Manhattan Project. And if you actually intended it to happen, it would be "superprompt dynamic disassembly".
I always thought that the terminology they coined for the neutron absorption cross-section of a radionuclide was inspired: the units are in "Barns", as in "couldn't hit the broadside of a..."
And don't even get me stated on the etymology of the term Bhangmeter.(;-)
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
@soryang THi soryang,
Thanks for the great Boca Chica and Brownsville vid. I used to spend time down there. Don't know how one could even plan a camping trip there now. Who knows what toxins are being rained down on the environment?
I especially like the fanboy that says ther earth's resources are not enough to sustain us. Just what do they see on Mars that sustains life? This is the result of too much science fiction and not enough science. If you have to do it all in a bubble, would it not be cheaper and easier to that here where the resources already are?
Of course we could live sustainably here on Earth, but simply refuse to do so. And there is some magic silver bullet of survival on Mars? It is nuckinfutz.
I have great memories from Boca Chica and Brownsville, it
iswas a fantastic area. The Texas Sabal Palm Sanctuary is amazing.happy trails all.
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
SpaceX launch live link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OapwBAVQI4
8 minutes to launch
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was there last month during a launch
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of one of their dragon rockets
spreading X satellites into the
upper atmosphere for ??
It was amazing to see the amount
of construction going on in the Space X
side of the compound of KSC. Lines of
trucks and equipment. Nothing happening
on the NASA side. Kinda tells you what is going on
with the 'murican space program. Ain't NASA no more.
thanks for the links
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I got a couple of pics
With my crappy phone camera. It was fairly clear tonight with only a little haze.
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digging into your link
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it appears the lunar phase has been
set-up as a communications network
sponsored by Nokia, which is weird.
why would anyone need a G4 on the moon?
phone home?
May be more than that (my guess).
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Speaking of the environment right on cue we get this.
Viva Mexico!
Hi all, Ahoy Capt.!
With apologies if I said all this before...
I am thrilled to see Mexico's decision to protect the world's greatest source of corn (maize) genetic diversity on the planet. Viva Mexico They have around 200 varieties!! Mexico is the center of maize genetic diversity in the world.
Which is why Monsanto et.al. want to pollute it with GMO pollen. Destroy it all forever. It is an evil impure pursuit. Monsanto sees this diversity as a threat to their owning the world corn supply. Via seeds. The GMO pollen travels to non-GMO corn fields miles away, which then cannot be sold without a lawsuit from Monsanto (as they did to US farmers) since it has their patented genes. They have no right to do this to planetary genetic diversity, risking taking away the world's Maize diversity. But it is what they want. The NAFTA arbitration of course is Monsanto etc. lawyers and a biz first at all costs bunch of 'judges'.
So OK, you can sell it here. Illegal to plant or put in products. ROFLMAO. Brilliant. I expect Monsanto to go after Guatemala as that should pollute and destroy a bunch of the Mexican Maize gene pools. They hate genetic diversity they do not own. It does not fit with their biz model. GREAT to see Mexico stand up to the corporate bullies.
Viva Mexico!
happy trails all!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
agree absolutely
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the US corporate model
is to destroy all competition
f*ck the bees, birds and butterflies
they think?
the green revolution is being fought
by small countries against multinational
conglomerates. Viva Mexico!
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When I toured Peru, twice, in fact,
we were told by the guided that the Incans developed over 3000 varieties of corn.
No rational country will allow GMO anything!
Thanks for the OT, Cap'n!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
fighting the geo-economic forces
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is an uphill battle
kudos to independent
nations to challenge the beast
thanks for checking in
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