7/15 Open Thread: Linda Ronstadt's Birthday & Bonaparte's Surrender
~~ "Looking Toward Moscow"
On July 15, 1240, Alexander Nevsky, Prince of Novgorod led a Novgorodan army to bictory over invading Swedish forces at the battle of the Neva, earning himself the title of Nevsky.
On July 15, 1806, Zebulon Pike set off to map the Western and Southern portions of the Louisiana Purchase, recently acquired, though indirectly, from Napoleon Bonaparte.
Said Napoleon Bonaparte, roughly a month after Wellington and Blücher ended his career, surrendered on July 15, 1815 to The British aboard the HMS Bellerophon which was blockading the French coast and thereby preventing his escape to the USofA.
On this day in history:
1240 - A Novgorodian army under Nevsky beat the Swedes in the Battle of the Neva.
1410 - Armed forces of Poland and Lithuania beat the army of the Teutonic Order at Grunwald
1741 - Aleksei Chirikov sighted Alaska and put men ashore, the first Europeans to visit Alaska
1799 - The Rosetta Stone was found
1806 - Zebulon Pike left St. Louis "to explore the 'west'" *
1815 - Napoleon Bonaparte surrendered
1834 - The Spanish Inquisition was unexpectedly disbanded
1838 - Ralph Waldo Emerson gave the Divinity School Address denying Jesus was a god.*
1870 - Georgia became the last state to be readmitted to the Union (no comment)
1888 – Mount Bandai erupted, killing hundreds in Fukushima Prefecture, Japan.
1955 - Eighteen Nobel laureates signed the Mainau Declaration against nuclear weapons, meh.
1966 – The US and South Vietnam began Operation Hastings to push the North Vietnamese out of the Vietnamese Demilitarized Zone.
1974 – A coup d'état in Cyprus deposed President Makarios and installed Nikos Sampson
1975 – The Apollo–Soyuz Test Project featured the dual launch of an Apollo spacecraft and a Soyuz spacecraft on the first Soviet-United States human-crewed flight.
1979 - Carter gave his "malaise speech".
2003 - AOL Time Warner disbanded Netscape.
2003 - The Mozilla Foundation was established
2006 - Twttr ws lnchd, lmtd t 140 chars
* The expedition's task was to"explore" and map the Southern and Western portions of the recent Louisiana purchase. Some of them "accidently" wound up in Mexico and some of them "foraged" there. They were busted and taken to Mexico proper and spied on everything they encountered along the way.
** The protestant community reacted exactly as one would expect.
Some people who were born on this day:
Its better to wear out than to rust out.
~~ Richard Cumberland
1573 – Inigo Jones, architect
1600 – Jan Cossiers, painter
1606 - Rembrandt van Rijn, painter and etcher
1631 – Richard Cumberland, Utilitarian philosopher
1796 - Thomas Bulfinch, mythologist
1817 – Sir John Fowler, 1st Baronet, engineer who designed the Forth Bridge
1848 - Vilfredo Pareto, economist and sociologist
1858 - Emmeline Pankhurst, political activist and suffragette
1903 – Walter D. Edmonds, journalist and author
1905 - Dorothy Fields, songwriter
1906 – Rudolf Uhlenhaut, engineer, designed the MB 300SL, 300SLR and Uhlenhaut Coupe
1913 - Cowboy Copas, country singer, songwriter and guitarist
1915 – Albert Ghiorso, chemist and academic, co-discovered 12 chemical elements
1915 - Frankie Yankovic, polka musician
1919 - Iris Murdoch, author
1929 - Francis Bebey, guitarist, poet and writer
1930 - Jacques Derrida, philosopher
1942 - Vivian Malone Jones, civil rights activist, 'Bama integrator & first black grad
1943 – Jocelyn Bell Burnell, astrophysicist, astronomer, and academic
1944 - Millie Jackson, singer and songwriter
1946 - Linda Ronstadt, singer, songwriter, producer, and actress
1947 - Roky Erickson, singer, songwriter and musician. 13th floor dude
1948 - Artimus Pyle, Southron rock drummer and songwriter (Lynyrd Skynyrd)
1949 - Trevor Horn, bassist, singer, songwriter, keyboard player, producer and buggle
1950 - Arianna Huffington, arch conservative anti-feminist who then became "liberal" and made a fortune off of huffpo.
1951 - Gregory Isaacs, singer and songwriter
1952 - Marky Ramone, drummer and songwriter
1953 - Jean-Bertrand Aristide, hugely popular twice deposed politician
1956 – Ian Curtis, singer, songwriter, and guitarist
1956 - Joe Satriani, singer, songwriter and guitarist
1966 - Jason Bonham, singer, songwriter and drummer
1973 – Buju Banton, singer
Some people who died on this day:
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
~~ Anton Chekhov
0998 – Abū al-Wafā' Būzjānī, mathematician and astronomer
1015 – Vladimir the Great, Grand prince of Kievan Rus
1542 - Lisa del Giocondo, see song selection
1609 – Annibale Carracci, painter and illustrator
1885 – Rosalía de Castro, author and poet
1904 - Anton Chekhov, playwright and author
1930 – Leonora Barry, social and labor activist
1933 – Freddie Keppard, cornet player
1959 - Ernest Bloch, composer
1961 – Nina Bari, mathematician
1982 - Bill Justis, saxophonist, songwriter, and producer
Some Holidays, Holy Days, Festivals, Feast Days, Days of Recognition, and such:
Saint Swithin's Day
National Tapioca Pudding Day
Global Hug Your Kids Day
Today's Tunes
Rosetta Stone
Napoleon Bonaparte
Dorothy Fields
Francis Bebey
Millie Jackson
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Roky Erickson
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Trevor Horn
Gregory Isaacs
Marky Ramone
Ian Curtis
Joe Satriani
Lisa del Giocondo
Freddie Keppard
Bill Justis
Linda Ronstadt
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Cross posted from http://caucus99percent.com
Open Thread, July 15, Rosetta Stone, Napoleon, Aleksei Chirikov, Zebulon Pike, Bill Justis, Linda Ronstadt, Lisa del Giocondo
Comments
Oh man, E L, now you've done it!
Linda Ronstadt is special to mon mari et moi. This song is on our wedding playlist was one of the first songs in the order sung by a local artiste and expressed our feelings as they grew.
Anything sung with Aaron Neville is to me super.
And
Their easy falsetto are matched as is their vibratto. My goodness Linda is such a consummate artist, with unparalleled breath, control and mastery of so many genres. Her Christmas album where she sings classical choir music and blends right in with the choir is wonderful.
But one of my favorite albums is Canciones de mi Padre. Those long sustained notes Mexican singers employ are shows of singing strength. She more than holds her own.
We used to live in a pear growing region on the East side of Mt. Hood. The Mexican pickers would come in to pick and process pears each late Summer/Fall. They would put music on their car players and leave the doors open. I so miss their serenades.
Our weather this year has been sooo unusual: we have had T-storms almost every afternoon or evening. Very wet, and cool with brief bursts of hot summer days. We have seen night skies only a handful of times in two months. some of our cloudbursts literally qualify as 'tempetes'. The last one a few nights ago scared many of us including locals. Having a stone house in these cases are a good thing.
Then there is ahem, mold, bugs, and lots of lush weeds, brush, and tree growth. This is the year I picked to grow sweet corn, as it's not commonly found here. My own would be better. We shall see.
E L thank you so much for your fabulous playlists and notes of interesting dates in history.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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Good morning DM. Glad you like it, the big problem is
what to leave out because there is so much good stuff. I also am very fond of canciones. Hope your crop turns out well.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
The title is noteworthy
Democrats in disarray over Biden: ‘We’re totally, totally screwed’
Of course, the problem is... Obi-wan to Anakin: "You have DONE THAT YOURSELF."
https://www.tumblr.com/starwarsquotes/904014811/anakin-you-turned-her-ag...
“The loyal Left cannot act decisively. Their devotion to the system is a built-in kill switch limiting dissent.” - Richard Moser
Good morning Cass. Sort of says it all, they've destroyed
the party without outside help.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Gotts run, unplanned, be back soonish. n/t
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good late morning...
Got chores done early and had to shower. Just now catching up.
Linda was the best of the trio according to Dolly and Emmy Lou. They were all good in my book.
Hope all is well and you weather has moderated. Take care and thanks for all the music and the OT!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good afternoon LO
glad you got your chores polished off early.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Is this actually the plan of the Deep State?
Heh, classic truism, divide and conquer. always works. n/t
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Damning if true
.
The sniper who killed Crooks was told to not fire and he said he watched him getting ready for 3 minutes. He disobeyed the order after Crooks fired and said he was arrested for disobeying orders.
https://www.albawaba.com/node/secret-service-sniper-claims-he-was-1577110
Watch this space….
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I see lots of comments
and articles about suspicions that the secret service peeps were in on this.
This guy's story would be easy to verify.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Here's more confirmation on SD's story...
Cued to the discussion of the email...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Their discussion
of motive right at the end was fascinating and impossible to dispute. I am sending this to some attorney pals right now!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Let me ask this
Who authenticated this "evidence?" Who's the addressee, the recipient and so on?
Also, who waits to fire at someone pointing a gun in the "principal's" direction? Just curious.
語必忠信 行必正直
Agreed.
I too am very skeptical about this. If true, there's going to be one sniper named Willis either unemployed, or more likely dead, very soon.
However, also if true, then I'm even more worried for RFKjr now, since apparently Biden finally relented and is going to allow him SS protection. If "protection" actually means "don't fire until some nameless boss-type in Langley says so", he'd be better off without it. That is only one step removed from the SS people being directly instructed to off the protectee themselves.
Think of it this way: it now comes down to whether or not "issuing extremely specific instructions on action and inaction to the SS minions" falls under the newly-created class of Presidential activities that is protected by the latest supreme court ruling. Can the President define rules of engagement that deliberately end up with the protectee getting ventilated by the lone-wolf du jour (the let-it-happen-anyway thing)? If telling the SS management to let their protectee get Freedumbed is now defined as a non-actionable Presidential decision, covered by his usual and customary executive duties blah blah blah, things might get just a little bit dicey.
There is far too much wiggle room in that ruling for me to be comfortable with it. Consider a previous Chief Executive simply having John Yoo write up the Torture Memos to cover his butt. He just asked for a memo to be written, and who could possibly have foreseen what would happen if someone took it literally? Oopsie. "We tortured some folks". Oh, well, collateral damage. Byegones...
That sort of thing would appear to be A-OK now.
Yes, I am that cynical. This needs to be investigated, and not by any of our 2- or 3-letter agencies. I don't know who has the gravitas to do it, but letting these assholes investigate themselves will be meaningless. And it will be difficult for one to establish "standing" with the Court to allow a challenge, if in fact one is dead...
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Share your concerns
Especially, with respect to RFK.
語必忠信 行必正直
No
The court ruled that a president can’t be charged for doing his duty.
It ruled that if it isn’t his defined duty then he can be charged.
If congress has a problem with a president then can impeach him. If the senate doesn’t convict he can’t be charged after leaving office. If they do convict then he can possibly be charged…depends on the crime.
Presidents don’t have any new powers to do whatever the hell they want.
Hasn’t ANYONE read the decision?
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
I have,
and also listened to Turley's commentary, and you stated it correctly.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I have as well,
and my reading differs- primarily because I have seen the myriad ways that many legalisms can be used, misused, abused, worked around, and basically ignored.
I can’t find a way to properly express this thought: I do not believe that any of these high level “legal minds”, all of whom have who have gorged themselves at the public trough for their entire careers, will follow any “rules” whatsoever- given that they to a man do not believe that rules actually apply to them. The torture papers were just a start.
But I’ll shut up now. The subtext here is that I have nothing at all to worry about if I simply trust in the sanctity of our government’s demonstrated, careful, and detailed regard for the law. I disagree. Good day.
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Good questions.
imho those three seemed too quick to lend credibility to whoever it was that made the claims.
So far haven't seen a diagram of the location and where all the actors were positioned. Was the rooftop shooter in a position where he could actually have targeted Trump or fired a bullet that grazed Trump's ear?
The speculation so far seems off to me. The reports that the identified shooter was seen and reported by many is also suspect.
The geometry seemed plausible to me
But I'm not a qualified photo analyst, Marie. This photo bothers me as well because the framing is a prop.
A wounded Donald Trump and protecting Secret Service officers caught by photographers in an "Iwo Jima" like posture with the American flag.
語必忠信 行必正直
That photo -- or more precisely -
the staging of it sets off my spidey sense. Is Trump such a showman that he could recover that quickly while SS is still in active shooter protective mode?
Two security snipers on one rooftop while another building and the rooftop are totally open and unprotected? Accessible to an armed kid intent on shooting at something or someone at the rally. Weird.
Why did the agents
let him get up and get exposed when their job is to shield him from bullets?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
As far as I could tell
That happened after they got a "shooter down" report. Other than that this comes to mind-
This picture was a reenactment with a larger flag of the original event as I understand it.
語必忠信 行必正直
How did they know
it was a lone gunman?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Because gun toting,
wannabe assassins and mass killers are only ever loner nutcases. Except when they aren't, but that's so rare that the LEOs go with the odds. In this situation - a crowd of 2nd amendment freaks - the risk of concealed carry, wannabe heroes whipping out their own guns and creating more havoc and injuries was higher than the possibility of more than one shooter. Thus the need to calm the crowd as quickly as possible. And should a wannabe hero have gotten off a shot and hit anyone, the SS, FBI, etc. will make sure all the bullets retrieved came from the identified shooter's gun.
There are reports
another shooter was atop a water tower.
All attendees had to go through heavy screening, so there were no guns in the crowd.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Source of photo is APNews
two interviews with photographer.
Associated Press photojournalist Evan Vucci has extensive war experienced jumped into action, photos upoload almost immediately and selected for publication by the news agency. Ironically the Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima photograph is keeps being mentioned in the same breath was also taken by an Associated Press photographer, Joe Rosenthal.
Behind the Cover: Interview With the Photographer of the Trump Image Time July 15, 2024
Information happens fast, disappears fast and several narratives have been tried since the shooting. Now some of the disappeared information is being shown on MSN sites and articles. Amazing how personal phones with camera keep knee-capping the tentative story narratives with citizen observations. The cycle speed appears to be faster than any event in recent history.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
The reenactment of the Iwo Jim scene
...is all. I don't believe that scene was a result of "skill" by an AP camera man.
語必忠信 行必正直
Hi Marie, to answer your question on visuals...
Simplicius(Substack), Jeff Childers(Substack), Erik Prince(own website), of Black Rock, and one more I just forgot, have shown overhead shots, probably Google maps terrain view or drone shots with highlighter markups to show where President Trump was speaking; where the LE snipers were positioned and where the shooter was located.
From everything I've seen the shooter was outside the 400 foot perimeter but within 150 yards of Trump with a straight shot. The fireman, family man who was killed was between the shooter and Trump.
Too many coincidences to believe: ladder sitting in just the right spot to get to the roof of an agricultural or industrial building; no Law Enforcement on the roof or positioned so anyone trying to get there would have been seen and stopped; bystanders trying to get Secret Service and local police to notice and do something about the guy climbing to the roof with a rifle and then positioning himself for the shooting - no response; snd so much more.
It does sound like the sniper was lined up having seen the shooter arriving on the rooftop. He tried to get permission to shoot, but he said it was denied. Hope we find out about this.
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Thanks, but the overhead
Google maps convince me of nothing other than the security snipers were well positioned to take down the rooftop shooter. The angle from the rooftop to the center of the stage is poor. Will wait for someone more experienced at analyzing such things and can more precisely locate all the actors at the time the shooting began. (So far, at the risk of being wrong, not buying that a bullet grazed Trump's ear.)
I posted an article Saturday that showed the
layout and lookout posted a video in this thread that showed it.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Good afternoon Snoops, thanks for the info. n/t
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Monday Monday
Hi all, Hey EL!
Hope all are well!
Cool orioles ya got EL... and yeah, my Hooded are soooo ginchy at the feeders I cannot get a shot of them there. If I move INSIDE the house, they bolt... good eyes they have, and trust no movement.
Do you think this was an act of God?
I saw a blurb left unclicked about how Huffy Arianna was going to do some AI wellness thing. So she is still in scam mode. Just what the world needs to save it. AI wellness. I guess since the real thing is largely not possible for so many...
I saw the first 3G tour with Vai, Satriani, and Eric Johnson in the late 90's or 2000 or so, at the Hollywood Bowl. It was friggin' awesome. What a great venue that is! Satch is awesome and that song is one of my favs...
I never heard of the 13th Floor Elevators at the time in late 60's or early 70's, guess I was still too young. Or they didn't crack through in L.A. Love that jug sound with reverb or something... had to be the first electric jug. Very creative band, and poor Roky caught bad breaks.
Sister Rosetta rocks too, Elvis was real big on her influence.
Thanks for the OT EL!
happy trails all!
We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better.
both - Albert Einstein
Good evening Dysto. "Act of God" LOL. yeah, these
orioles are seriously jumpy.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --