Open Thread - Thurs 21 July 2022 - Hot!

Much Too Hot!

It's really HOT in so many places! It's heating up where I live, but nothing near to what it is in other places... yet. And hopefully that yet is delayed for a long time.

I was shocked to learn about the heat wave in Britain. I expect heat in the Mediterranean, although not like what they have been experiencing in the last few years, but not in Britain.

I think of the weather in Britain like the weather in the PacNW. The weather in the two areas is often comparable. We in the PacNW had that heat wave that broke records last year and now Britain has one that broke records just a day ago (BBC, pics from the BBC, and NY Times). 104F in Britain? It's hard to believe. But 109F in Seattle last year was hard to believe too! I keep thinking, I'm so glad 'my' part of Britain is up north, where it was 'cooler' yesterday. Hah.

I appreciate that the Beeb just comes right out and says it in the article linked above:

'Heatwaves have become more frequent and more intense, and last longer because of human-induced climate change.
"In the future these kinds of heatwaves are going to be normal, and we will see even stronger extremes," WMO chief Peterri Taalas said.'

There have been wildfires caused by the heat in LONDON. London... wildfires caused by heat in London. The fires started on grasslands and jumped to buildings. My mind boggles. And that doesn't even begin to equal the wildfires all over Europe, fires which started a month or more ago in some places and are raging with the heat wave and causing massive carbon emissions. Ohh and just a year ago, there were floods in Europe.

Climate change is here. It's arrived. We all know it, we are all suffering in one way or another. I can't even imagine what it's like in Africa, or Asia, right now. All I can say is, 'Keep Cool (or Warm, depending), Keep Wet (or Dry, depending) and Start Adapting!' We will fight it, and struggle to change, and do what we can. And still, it's here and we better get used to it. If that's even possible.

Something Funny:
Here's a funny title that showed up in my email - 'Liz Cheney becomes a DEMOCRAT?!'. It's from democratic-strategy.org and is accompanied by the usual 'poll' which asks if Cheney should be a Democrat. Then of course, it asks for money.

What's funny to me is that

  1. Cheney is horrible, just horrible. I don't care if Trump hates her or not. That doesn't make me like her.
  2. She's a perfect fit for the Democratic Party, isn't she? Maybe if we are lucky she'll repeat her father's assinine behavior and shoot her friend... a friend like Chuck Schumer or Nancy 'lookit-my-fridge' Pelosi.

So, thanks for reading and here's the open thread - and remember, everything is interesting if you dive deep enough, so tell us about where you're diving!

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Sima's picture

Unlike most every other place, our weather has been cooler than normal, and wet. It's finally getting warmer and drying, as will happen in the PacNW after 4th of July. So... harvest time!

I've been spending the nights, until dawn, on coyote patrol. The buggers found out a way to get into the goat area, and killed a goat, dragging it out of the opening they'd found after killing it amidst all the other goats. It was very traumatic for the goats. Finding the corpse, or what was left of it, traumatized us too. So we patched up the opening, close the goats in every night, and now the dog and I patrol every few hours. Monday Night/Tuesday morning we had hours, and I mean HOURS, of coyote song; all around the farm. But they never made it into the goat area :). They seem to have moved on now, so I'm going to catch some shuteye soon!

I hope everyone has a great day. Not too hot!! Not cold! Not wet! Just great! Smile

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@Sima  
https://www.qwant.com/?q=coyote+traps&t=web

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@lotlizard
the traps never work for very long. Friend of mine talked about how on his farm out in the really wild area around here, he's killed and trapped 100s of coyotes over the years and... they always come back and they always eat his chickens and baby livestock.

I'd rather not kill them, even if they make me angry and kill some of my goats. Instead, I work to outwit them. I've won, most of the time, until a goat rubbing too hard on a fence for too long breaks the fence in a spot we didn't notice, and the coyotes take advantage of it.

We thought it was cougars, and maybe it was at first. We've lost a few goats to cougars, before we learned how to fence and guard against them. But last week and this week has made it clear, this time, it was coyotes.

One of our main guards is our dog, or was our dog, Jaska. She is getting too old for guarding, although she'll come out with me and oversee things to her best ability. When she was young, she fought coyotes about three times and these coyotes are slightly bigger than her!, and provided very good goat guard. We just didn't lose goats to coyotes in her youth and middle age. I'm sad to say, I'm probably going to need a new dog soon. She's 12 and a half and it's time for her retirement, so her last years are full of fun, softness, and luxury!

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These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

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@Sima

of llamas as guard animals. I've told the story here of some of our fun llama/coyote interactions, and I know that they get along fine with goats. If you have someone near you with a herd, it might be worth seeing if they have a gelding or two they'd loan you on a trial basis, to see if they'd accomplish what you need...

We loaned out a couple of ours to a friend with a cow/calf operation during calving season, for example. It might save you a lot of sleep time, and it never hurts to ask.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

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@usefewersyllables
Had them for a while, from a friend. They probably do a good job against coyotes, I dunno. They do a GREAT job of making it hard to take care of goats, at least for us. Standing in the goat water troughs? Check. Spitting at any male human passing by? Check. Kicking at anyone not feeding them exactly what they want? Check. Sending a goat that got too 'bossy' 15 feet through the air and essentially killing it? Check. Needing cooling via sprinkler when it got hot? Check. This last one was very difficult, because the goats hate rain, hate sprinklers. Ohh, and the llamas never went out with the goats into the pasture, they preferred the hay they were fed in the holding paddock. That was probably training from when they were young. There was a reason why my friend wanted to get rid of them :).

Best guard for the goats I've found is a good farm dog and or, a good goat shepherd. Unfortunately, our dog is getting old. And so are the shepherds! Smile

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@Sima

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@enhydra lutris
Been there, done that. See my reply to usefewersyllables about them. Yep, they can work, but never did for us. I think the killing the one goat, and the spitting all over my husband, were the final straws.

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If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
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Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

around here they use the Great Pyrenees to guard livestock. Amazing working animals!

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Spoke with a sheep farmer in Maine who had a pair of them. He somehow trained them to work in shifts - one daytime. and the other after dark. Told of them chasing away bear and wolves.

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We are in that Mississippi sauna mode now 90 degrees with 90% humidity. Not so bad when the sun is hiding in the clouds and there is a bit of wind. Helps to be afloat as well.

Good luck with the coyotes~!

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@QMS  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wolf_and_Sam_Sheepdog

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@lotlizard
Thanks for the reminder. They were funny!

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These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

@lotlizard

punch-out time at the ol' filming clock
thanks for the mammeries!

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@QMS
Dogs are wonderful! Just wonderful. They are the best solution, I do agree. My dog, Jaska, isn't this breed, she's a Finnish Spitz and she was just great at watching over the goats. She is getting too old now, so I think I'm going to have to get another puppy soon. Breaks my heart in a way, she is the best dog I've ever had.

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Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

hen's are laying hard-boiled eggs.

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@JtC
Gads. I remember my grandma (who was from Texas) telling me the cooking eggs outside on a sheet of metal story and swearing it was true. I believed her, could cook them that way in southern CA too, where I was born.

And... forecasts now say the PacNW will go into a hot spell next week or so that could top around 110 in some places! We are catching up to Texas, or something!

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Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

this is an interesting point of view;

I don’t know where I first heard it, nor who said it, but I’ve heard it again and again and I think you have too. The weather is supposed to be one of those inane topics, the sort of thing you turn to when there’s nothing meaningful to say. Old people talk about the weather a lot, whereas everyone else—at least those with big ideas and thirst for life—supposedly have much better things to say.

On second thought:

Speaking of the weather is speaking of emotions and the body. When a neighbor tells me it is warm and sunny, he’s not doing so because he thinks I cannot figure this out on my own. He speaks it because he feels it, and he is asking me to join him in that feeling. My mother-in-law and I speak about the weather all the time, and how she describes it and how I describe it conveys more about our inner lives and our affection for each other than a thousand words ever could. We smiled at each other outside when the rain began today, both sighing in relief together as if embraced and held tight by that rain.

via NC https://rhyd.substack.com/p/lets-just-talk-about-the-weather

Thanks for your OT Sima. So sorry about your goat. Hope you get some sleep soon. We have coyotes here as well, but no livestock (except free-range rabbits).

A Texas weather song/poem...

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@randtntx
Maybe the weather talk is confirming that :). I think the weather is also very important to farmers and the like, so we talk about it a lot.

Thanks for the great song!

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Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so

Aside from feeling sorry for him, I feel sorrier for us, in case "President Harris" has to fill in. Things will heat up, indeed!
Another goat protector is a burro. Their braying is either a pleasant sound to you, or annoying as hell!

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be well and have a good one

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@on the cusp
President Harris? I'm gonna barf! But talk about a perfect person to oversee the end of the US hegemony... or the transition into full on Empire. She's a great Nero!

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lack of sleep. I have no immediate solutions but do think llamas are the answer.

Got up and out early to trim our ceanothus (which was taking over the front yard) while it was still cool and before a couple of places I have to run off to open. SAid running is about to commence. Nuthin' really on my mind but getting stuff done and eventually making dinner.

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris
We've tried them and they didn't work here. As I said above, our best solution has been our dog. But she's getting old Sad

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Hat tip to all with the Donkey and Llama recommendations. In my area both are very commonly used to keep coyotes away from sheep or goats. Usually just one per flock/herd. Donkey are also used for folks with small dogs and cats, have a donkey around, no coyote problems. Certainly where I am Coyotes are the one thing that is predating baby feral pigs and slowing down their explosive growth. Yet they are often shot on sight by the ranchers. We have a few coyote packs around and very often we hear them, especially when they make a kill the whole troop goes off bonkers, it is awesome. Mostly they eat piglets here.

melting in Texas, hope all are cooler!

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@dystopian
I do love it. All the dogs around the valley start barking too, it's quite the serenade. The coyotes hunt feral rabbits here, and local rabbits. They are good at keeping down the population (which didn't even exist here 20 years ago). They of course take anything that offers up easy pickings, like feral cats, and any older animal they can nab.

Our worst predators are cougars. Nothing, not a dog, a llama, a burro, not a human without a gun, can take them on. Horses and cattle seem to do ok, I've not seen them get hunted. We have bears here, but they don't seem to hunt farm animals. They do love the berries though!

I've got a story about a chicken and a coyote, and Jaska-dog. I think I'll save that for an OT though. Story turned out well, even for the coyote, in a way Smile .

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I can't tell the difference between Liz Cheney and Hillary Clinton, can you?
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@MrMickeysMom
Gads! Great comparison of the two twins there...

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I keep the roosters in the exterior perimeter pens so hopefully my hens stay safe. Still expect them to live a long life.

The awkward part is not knowing what is coming into the area one is trying to provide a safe enviornment and causing the harm. Initially confused due to the pattern of damage to those living, dead and access points into the pen. With the larger livestock I have called the Oregon Agricultural Department - predator control. The trackers have been very helpful both on-site and over the phone to identify past problems. High risk time when this years young are learning to hunt for themselves, just after first hard frosts and when there is a change in territory boundaries within different predator groups.

Placed double fencing with chicken wire and light weight 2x4 welded fencing around the pens to prevent a predator from reaching into the pens and complicating any crawl over. Been successful in the past with foxes, raccoons and skunks and coyotes. Dawn the next morning - lots of crowing. Stepped out the patio door and within 30 feet was a Great Horned or Great gray owl perched on the edge of a 6x10 ft dog kennel, where very large rooster lives (who lost a few tail feathers a couple of weeks ago - hmm.) Appeared to be debating whether to land. Silently flew off.

At dusk while covering the pens with netting awful screeching commenced. The owl had come back, perched on a close rooftop and let us know it was mad. My guess it's parents recently quit supplemental feeding. Kept up the noise for at least a half hour in various perching spots.

One trick I use for quick fence fixes I use a 2 D cell battery fence charger. My Speedright is now over 20 years old and works every time it has been needed to keep something out or in until permanent fix in competed.

he Speedrite AN20 Electric Fence Charger operates on (2) D-cell batteries.

Fi-Shock 0.03-Mile Battery-Operated Electric Fence Charger

My donkeys have been successful in preventing repeat coyote and dogs entry into pastures for two years or longer. When bored or in a bad mood will harass and injure smaller livestock. At least they do not spit or need sheared. I let my dogs sleep in the house so they are not helpful with the nighttime events. The cougar kills are the most unsettling. They chomp through some pretty tough bones with no problem and just keep swallowing. Fortunately been a number of years.

Not really appropriate for protecting a small flock. But this was just interesting, found the link at a wildlife rescue site.
A Landowner’s Guide to Wildlife Friendly Fences 56 page pdf

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@studentofearth
For fencing and predator control. Our wildlife control (whatever) department is not super helpful. They are understaffed, I think. So the first time we had a cougar attack, years ago, I called them in a panic. They told me to 'leave the crime scene untouched' and they'd be by in about a week. Errr, leave the goat body, torn apart, half eaten, in the goat pen untouched? It's like 50 ft from the house, max, maybe more like 30? Untouched? For a week??? (The cougar had chased the goat into the pen, killed it, then obviously panicked because it was so close to the house. We were gone, camping over the weekend, so didn't witness the attack). That cougar continued roaming around the north tip of the peninsula killing livestock and pets until it took out someone's whole flock (over a few weeks) and that person threatened to kill it. So, the wildlife people came, caught it, and took it to the mountains.

The chicken predators here are bald eagles. My neighbors raise a very small flock of meat chickens. This year they've lost 20 chickens to bald eagles! Like us, they don't want to hurt the eagles at all. So, they are probably going to have to put cover fence over their chicken run.

We use electric netting as fencing. It works really well until... the coyotes learn to dig underneath it. It's moveable, so we move it around as we need. We are looking into putting up some stronger 'permanent' fencing with electric on it.

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Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so