Water Water Everywhere

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Since last week we have had 5 days of rain/showers and two cloudy days. The suburban garden is looking great and well watered. Got my water bill today and it is the lowest I've seen in years. Go figure.
I'm expecting the Water Company to start complaining that they are not getting enough revenue and will have to raise prices to pay expenses and make payroll. And even though we live right next to the majestic Columbia River, we pump our water from an aquifer.
On the south side of the river, the Portland Metro area gets it's water from the Bull Run watershed 40 miles away, a closed off wilderness area where nothing is allowed, not even roads or foot trails. It's gravity fed and pure, pristine water that feeds the famous "bubblers" in downtown, drinking fountains dotting the city. It feeds the whole metro area.
Drought has not reached this side of Cascadia, except in the southerly reaches of the Willamette Valley. The eastern side is suffering almost as badly as California.
The one thing I learned growing up in southern California was that water is life. If you don't have it you can't support your crops or your animals.
So what's your water supply and how secure is it?
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QMS's picture

(artesian) which would tend to go dry every July. The old well was about 16 feet deep, very strong
mineral content. The new one is about 120' deep and runs good, clean water at strong pressure.
Still have a filter to remove sediments. Tends to plug up more during the rainy seasons. But the water is good. We are lucky, I guess. No fracking in the neighborhood. Wink

Thanks for posting!

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earthling1's picture

@QMS
That there are people who think oil and gas are more important than water, or is it $?
Have a great day, QMS.

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I belong to a litte water co-op. A lot cheaper than city water. I also have an 80 foot well which I put in when I first moved here because there was no other choice. Over 20 years ago, the water system got a grant from USDA to expand the system. You could get a tap for $25.00 plus you had to pay monthly the minimum fee for two years, even if you did not hook up. At the time the fee was $13.00, now around $26.00. A new tap now runs $1500.00.

I believe every house in this district has the opportunity to hook up to the system now. Some people though still use their wells. This system has won best in state for water quality and second place in the whole country. If it ever goes down, at least I do have back-up.

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@Enchantress
is pretty deep, must take a fairly powerful pump. Probably 240 volt, HUH?
The co-op sounds like a good backup.
Even though I'm on city water, I still keep a 55 gallon drum of water and five 5 gallon water bottles for backup. I also keep my MH full.
Have a great day, Enchantress.

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We import 80% of our water. 50% from the Colorado river and 30% from Northern Ca. With the continuing drought coupled with being at the tail end of the water supply chain I am concerned about the availability and cost of water. I just got an e-mail two days ago from the local water company outlining upcoming price increases.

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I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.

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@Socialprogressive
I migrated out of SoCal was the water crisis I saw unfolding in the early 90s. At that time I had 6 acres with a well that started going dry every summer.
Loved growing up in Socal though.
Have a great day, SP.

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@Socialprogressive

Your situation seems to be a universal reflection of changing climates worldwide. This has been the direction everywhere for a long time now. Water supply here, and who and how it should be cared for, is a leading discussion at the moment.

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Our state experienced a period of drought in the aughts and early teens of this century. Fortunately, the drought finally broke and we have had near “normal” precipitation since. I was worried that we were headed for another period of drought, but what dry areas there are are to the south and, oddly, near the coast.

During the drought, some engineering geniuses at one of our universities discovered “free water” under their campus that they used to irrigate their sports fields. They happily ignored the concept of the water table which runs underground everywhere and is therefore shared by everyone. When will people realize that ‘flowing like water” and “plenty of fish in the sea” are things that are coming to an end due to human activities?

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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@Lily O Lady
"Free water."
Clean water and air should be free, to humans and wildlife. It's only when profit gets involved where problems arise.
Have a great day, Lily o Lady.

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@earthling1

didn’t consider that that was everyone’s water.

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Lookout's picture

With high volume good quality water. We're getting a much needed rain today, 0.4" so far. May was pretty dry too, only 4.8"...bringing the YTD to 33.4". We collect rainwater also... in 2000 gallon underground tanks that gravity fed down to the garden. The well is near the garden too, so we've got that covered.

Yes, water is important, and a primary consideration on any homestead.

Thanks for the OT and watery thoughts.

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@Lookout
2000 gallon tanks are a big backup. And gravity fed!
Nice.
Have a great day, Lookout.

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....that scientists can now see, from a simple brain scan, who has a brain optimized for psychopathic potential — and who has brains that are normal.

This is a really big deal, in my view. It's the surfboard that I paddled into politics on. Even before I was old enough to vote, I demanded that Presidential candidates undergo a brain scan screening in order to disclose to people what they are voting for.

Unfortunately, the US is not a meritocracy when it comes to selecting enlightened leaders. It is a pigsty. The degenerate quality of US election laws obsess over voter qualifications, while allowing any moronic pedophile, or god-fearing hallucinator, to run for President — without disclosing their state of mind. We don't care if they have a working knowledge of how the US government works — or any other government, for that matter. It's fine if they don't know that the people of Puerto Rico are American citizens. Or if they can name the 20 Human Rights currently denied to American citizens (of the 30 Declared Human Rights the US ratified in 1948). Americans like to brag that any know-nothing born in the U S of A has all the qualifications he needs to become President. And, it shows.

The one thing that must not be skipped, however, is the brain scan. This one single qualification could save the world. This discovery may be the most promising and powerful safeguard for protecting civilization and the earth, itself, that has every come along.

All hail the neuroscientists who counted the ganglia, so we don't have to, and then mapped what this dangerous brain defect looks like. There is no treatment or cure for a structural defect in the brain, just as there is no treatment for psychopathy. But there is a cure for politics, if we have the psychopaths removed. Psychopaths in power appoint fellow psychopaths to permanent government positions. The US government is filled with them, particularly the State Department, the Pentagon, the DOD, the Intelligence Industry, the Supreme Court, the DC District Courts, at DC's Think Tanks and Hedge Funds, and throughout both national political Parties.

Scientists Have Established a Key Biological Difference Between Psychopaths and Normal People

By NANYANG TECHNOLOGICAL UNIVERSITY JUNE 1, 2022

The research found that the striatum region of the brain was on average ten percent larger in psychopathic individuals compared to a control group of individuals that had low or no psychopathic traits.

A new study has shown that psychopathic people have a bigger striatum area in their brain

Neuroscientists using MRI scans discovered that psychopathic people have a 10% larger striatum, a cluster of neurons in the subcortical basal ganglia of the forebrain, than regular people. This represents a clear biological distinction between psychopaths and non-psychopathic people.

Neuroscientists from Nanyang Technological University (NTU Singapore), the University of Pennsylvania, and California State University have discovered a biological distinction between psychopaths and non-psychopaths. Using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scans, scientists discovered that the striatum, an area of the forebrain, was 10% bigger in psychopathic people compared to a control group of individuals with low or no psychopathic traits.

Psychopaths, or those with psychopathic qualities, are people who have an egotistical and antisocial disposition. This is often characterized by a lack of guilt for their actions, a lack of empathy for others, and, in some cases, criminal tendencies.

The striatum, which is part of the forebrain, the subcortical region of the brain that encompasses the whole cerebrum, coordinates numerous elements of cognition, including motor and action planning, decision-making, motivation, reinforcement, and reward perception.

Previous research has shown that psychopaths have overactive striatum, but the influence of its size on behavior has yet to be confirmed. The new research demonstrates a significant biological difference between people who exhibit psychopathic tendencies and those who do not. While not all people with psychopathic qualities end up violating the law, and not all criminals satisfy the criteria for psychopathy, there is a strong association. There is also significant evidence that psychopathy is associated with more aggressive behavior.

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@Pluto's Republic
Congresscritters must pass legislation for all members to test, maybe they will compromise and require all gun buyers to pass the test instead.
You know, sausage making.
They could even "Grandstand" with "We are saving the children!"
Not a small win.
Thanks for the info.

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@earthling1

I am appalled by the lack of enlightenment in the world.

What if it is the psychopaths in power who "legally" murderi other psychopaths that has destabilized the minds of our species?

Because I know that is our reality.
And that knowledge is wasted on me.

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usefewersyllables's picture

our ranch, our domestic well was in the Upper Dawson aquifer, at that point ~800 feet down. We also had rights for an additional ag well in the Lower Dawson, ~950 feet down. The worst thing that could happen was a lightning strike that fried the pump, because hauling that string up to replace it was *spendy*. And pumping against that much head wasn't cheap, either.

The Upper Dawson is definitely drying up, and the Lower Dawson isn't far behind it. The rights for the Denver aquifer are all tied up by Denver Water, and it is way down at ~1300 feet where we were anyway- that's a pricey well.

Ah, living in the high desert. Douglas County will run out of water in the next few years, at the rate that growth appears to be occurring. But it's like my wife says: it isn't really a drought until the golf courses are brown. No smiley.

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@usefewersyllables
That takes a pump capable of over 411 psi just to get the water to the surface! That's one spendy pump. And some pretty heavy duty piping too, like schedule 120.
But ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Thanks for sharing.

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@earthling1

you pump with tandem pumps that have check valves between them- that way, you don't have a single pump that sees the whole head. But it is still an expensive nightmare in case of failure, and the electricity to run all that ironmongery ain't cheap either. That was in a 6" casing for that depth, not the standard residential 4", specifically to accommodate muscular pumps. More expense.

And don't get me started on the expense of logging the well, which is like $50 a foot, even though the geologists know damned well exactly what is down there and at what depth, after 9 gazillion wells have been drilled in the neighborhood. Talk about a racket... Now that we are in-town people, our water simply comes from Somewhere. Hopefully, anyway: if it suddenly stops, the riots will be *biblical*.

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@usefewersyllables
I thought our well was deep (around 300 ft). I have to say, it did get hit by lightning a few years ago and it was spendy to repair. Lightning never happens around here, or it didn't. Does now.

Kudos to you! I think I might have given up with a 950 ft well!

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water from the Mokelumne, which rises high up in the Sierras. EBMUD serves a huge area and population, so water conservation is a priority that they push constantly, but they nonetheless fail to put any restrictions on growth, especially of residential tract developments. Since I grew up in San Diego, water conservation is almost instinctive and we capture, re-use and recycle as much water as we reasonably can, but it is a losing battle I fear.

So, I've got a tip for pasta lovers that saves water and gas or electricity and gives arguably better pasta. Don't use the traditional, cookbook and/or package directions. (Some internet research on "pasotto" is informative here). For short pasta, put the pasta in your pan and add just enough water to cover it, bring it to a boil and simmer while stirring, as if making risotto, add more water if, as, and when needed. When the pasta is al dente, use it as without rinsing unless you are making something like macaroni salad. Starch goes into solution in the water (making the pasta sticky) and helps make your sauce thicken if you don't overdo the water. For long pasta I pre-soak it in a tapers tray for a couple of hours, which makes it flexible enough to fit in sauce or saute pans, and cook like short pasta using the water I soak it in from there on out. Most pasta using either method is done in 10 minutes or less and has developed a good sauce base in the process.

be well and have a good one.

edit, fixed a type and some punctuation

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@enhydra lutris
for cooking pasta.
My electric range takes forever to boil the requisite amount of water per package directions, even if I cover the lid with dish towels.
Your method should save a lot of time and energy.
Thanks for that. Will give it a go.

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I'll let the goats out to graze at the same time.

Our water comes from B & B Water Supply. It's a rural water company that gets its water from Navarro Mills Lake.

My husband also built a water capture system from half of the roof of his workshop. The main tanks hold 2700 with more in supplemental tanks. The water is pumped to the garden with a solar-powered pump. It also supplies water to a washing machine in the shop, two outdoor showers, and my little greenhouse. This system has saved us a bunch of money.

We had a couple of good rains last week, but with the high temps the bales probably need a soaking.

Thanks for the OT and everybody's contributions! I-m so happy

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@mhagle
I suppose you can use it for drinking water in a pinch.
Thanks for stopping by.

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It is getting increasingly expensive, and in extreme dry weather, we are assigned hours of the day when we can water a lawn or garden. That hasn't happened in years, but it could happen at any time.
At least I have upgraded all appliances in my home and office, and all are efficient at saving water and electricity.

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@on the cusp
Many in Las Vegas have replaced their lawn with a rock garden or astroturf.
Good luck this summer.
Thanks for the post.

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@earthling1 will sometimes get too expensive and scarce for even the rich and the snooty.

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It comes from the reservoir just up the canyon and last fall it was less than 50% full so they turned it off a month early, on a month later this year and will turn it off a month early again. We’re only supposed to water once a week but people aren’t going to do it as long as golf courses are green and the city waters as much as they want and the Saudis continue to grow alfalfa and send it back home. We’re in a 20 year drought and the worst in 1,200 years but nothing was done to save the water but people are yapping about it now.

The great salt lake affects our weather patterns but it’s the lowest it’s ever been in modern history but our legislature is full of real estate people and they are building everywhere including those gawd awful apartment buildings that people can only rent. If they find an inch of empty land they put up an apartment building. No greenery anywhere in site. Lots of people are tearing out their lawns and putting in rocks which is one of the dumbest ideas imo.

I’m camping in Ogden valley where lots of rich people have built homes that rely on well water and they won’t be told to only water once a week. They drained the wells last year and it affected this campground. People who live in LA also have huge lots and they too will keep their lawns nice and green no matter what. Rules are for the little people. Little people are pissed.

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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?

Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.

The Eugene Water and Electricity Board. It is citizen owned (nonprofit), and gets water from the McKenzie River. The water is clean, tasty and *cold*. Good stuff. And, while the Southern Willamette Valley has been in a drought, this past year has been *really* wet. Lots of snow in the mountains and a really rainy spring. So much so that local organic farmers have had a hard time waiting for the ground to be dry enough to work and plant seeds or greenhouse-planted starts.

On the farm that I've been working at part time, the ground has just this past week been finally dry enough to work, and it's still to wet IMO. We are kinda cringing at the compaction that is happening to the area that has been worked but the time to go has long passed already.

We also just set up the winter-stored irrigation pump last week on the farm. The farm is actually on the McKenzie River, with a ~200Meter(?) riparian zone that is off limits. Irrigation is from a pump from a seasonal side-channel of the McKenzie. There is a "filter", a stainless tube maybe 8'x 1' with a lot of little holes in it that is thrown out into the channel and off we go. The previous owners of the farm plumbed the whole area (~150acres) so that water for irrigation is available at pressure near wherever it is needed. The lines are over 4ft down, so if you have to chisel plow or whatever, it's all safe. Nice forethought there, and not commonly seen.

That is us here, farmers on the east side of the Cascades (dry, high-desert side of the mountains) are having a really tough time. There is just not enough water to both farm and have lawns/golf courses/resorts. Guess who wins that one?

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Thank you for this essay earthling1, and the interesting comments. The water for my dirt patch comes out of the bathtub spigot upstairs, which comes out of the Russian River. I just carried five gallons down there to water what grew back from last season's flower seeds, and two magic basil plants my neighbors gave me for their going away gift. The bees like basil. I have been a compulsive water conservationist since I can remember, it has always been a political fight, always. If I were queen of this nation-state, I'd do something else. Anyway, this was big front page news here yesterday:

State Water Board approves historic Russian River water sharing agreement

The State Water Resources Control Board on Tuesday approved a groundbreaking agreement that allows “senior” water rights holders in the upper Russian River watershed to share their supply with junior rights holders whose claims might otherwise be suspended due to drought.

The collaborative, community-first approach, negotiated over many months by agricultural, municipal, tribal and other stakeholders in the region, is the first of its kind to try to bring balance to the allocation of scarce water supplies in a state governed by what one board member called an “inherently inequitable” water rights system.

Instead of relying on the century-plus-old “first in time, first in right” system, through which younger water rights can be fully curtailed while senior rights are left completely whole, the voluntary framework approved Tuesday allows neighbors to support each other through hard times, supporters say.

"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown." Or, follow the link to discover who "the neighbors" include in their "plan".

The five-member board, which approved it unanimously, lauded it for its innovation and focus on equity, as well as its practicality in making room for more people to weather the drought successfully

I'd vote to get rid of that self-licking ice cream cone of a five-member board if it was on the ballot, but nope. Their website is called California Water Boards, because nothing says torture like a water board, eh? LOL Please proceed, governor.

While diversions of Eel River water into the East Branch Russian River and Lake Mendocino through the Potter Valley powerhouse still might provide enough to buffer downstream users, supporters of the voluntary agreement were incensed to discover three weeks ago that Pacific Gas & Electric had asked federal regulators for permission to reduce those flows to a fraction of what they normally would be.

The company did so, members of the water sharing steering committee said, even though it has pledged and been directed by regulators to share such information with a working group comprised of stakeholders in the Potter Valley project, many of whom are involved in the water sharing effort, as well.

“This is a year’s worth of work,” said Phillip A. Williams, special water counsel for the City of Ukiah, still clearly angry. “We are 99 percent of the way there, and then PG&E files a variance.”

BOOM! Oops. Fuck PG&E, omg that bunch has been making me swear my whole damn life! No water? No electricity! Aargh! Who planned that out? Nobody. So PE Berkshire Hathaway is very stinking rich PU, and I am very not. Okay, alright. I already over quoted the article, and there's more in it. California water rights are an essay of their own. On corruption. Heh. Situation Normal All Fucked Up.

Peace and Love

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But might as well! We get our water from a deep well. It goes down to the aquifer that is under the Puget Sound, I think it's around 270-300 ft deep, but I could be misremembering and it's deep (like around 700 ft). The water has a mineral taste to some, but I love it. Can't drink city water at all anymore, really. Or bottled water, which tastes like plastic to me. We collect rainwater as well, and we are in a pretty wet part of the Puget Sound, only 80 ft above sea level. But still, we have to water in the summer. We used drip irrigation systems on the field plantings. We use them in the hoop house and in the former herb, now vegetable, garden. We also use sprinklers as needed.

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These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
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