a Tweet for your consideration; or: food for thought

“Leaked data suggests the majority of patients classed as being hospitalised with Covid-19 were initially admitted for different ailments. [...]

The data, covering all NHS trusts in England, suggests that as of last Thursday, just 44 per cent of Covid patients had tested positive by the time they were admitted, the Telegraph reports.  [...]

The NHS has been told to provide "a breakdown of the current stock of Covid patients" by separating those in hospital for the virus and those for other reasons, the Telegraph reports.

However, bosses have not yet revealed the data. [...]

The Cone of Silence finally broken by an NHS leaker/whistleblower?

“Prof Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: "This data is incredibly important, and it should be published on an ongoing basis.

"When people hear about hospitalisations with Covid, they will assume that Covid is the likely cause, but this data shows something quite different – this is about Covid being detected after tests were looking for it."

RT.com’s coverage is here, linking to the telegraph.co.uk's original reporting (behind a paywall)

“According to the outlet, health officials were instructed last month to begin placing Covid patients into two categories: those who were in hospital primarily because of the virus, and those who were admitted for other reasons. However, the NHS has so far withheld this data from the public. 

With the majority of Covid patients being diagnosed after admission – in some cases weeks later – the leaked data points to the possibility that the virus may only have a minor or negligible role in many hospitalisations blamed on coronavirus.

The leaked figures also suggest that a large number of Covid hospitalisations are the result of nosocomial transmission, meaning that healthcare facilities – rather than restaurants, stadiums, schools, or other public venues – may be driving up infections requiring medical care.”  (or: iatrogenic cases)

Covid-19 has largely been a duck-and-cover issue for me, as there are so many competing and conflicting ‘factoids’: mask efficacy, stats on which jab causes the most or least adverse reactions, health passports, mandated jabs for workers, 'further jabs required', US hospitals receiving more money for Covid-19 Cases, the WEF gaming out a ‘novel Corona virus’ (or close); mass arrests at lockdown protests in the EU; the de-platforming of Covid skeptics, etc.

Is The Truth out there?

(cross-posted from Café Babylon)

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Is The Truth out there?

Hasn’t been for a Long time.

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
Sign at protest march

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@Tall Bald and Ugly

cheeky sod, ain't ya, TB&U?

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Cassiodorus's picture

is capitalism.

There's a real pandemic, to be sure -- but rather than saying "we won't do any further capitalism until we really figure this out," most capitalist societies decided to rush along with some restrictions or no restrictions or restrictions for a little while then back to "normal" then restrictions again, alternating back and forth. That's apparently what they did in much of Europe. Behind the scenes there was the real effort -- creating and distributing a vaccine ASAP so that the capitalist nations could go back to capitalism. A real effort was made to make sure the big money interests profited handsomely off of all stages of this process. The core nations didn't worry about the periphery, and so there was the disaster in India that I think is what is behind the Delta variant.

Anyway, about the vaccine -- it's better than nothing, and it was free at least when I received my shots, but it too is tainted by capitalism. So for instance you can see the "Coronavirus update," apparently by this doctor from southern California:

The whole video is worth watching, but at 8:50 of the video there's a discussion of studies attempting to estimate the effectiveness of the vaccines. Note that even if we assume that the good doctor Seheult is correct to argue that the vaccines are effective against the Delta variant, and I do assume that (full disclosure: I received the Pfizer vaccine), we must also observe that the good doctor Seheult is holding the vaccines to some rather low standards. He reports the Pfizer vaccine as 88% effective, with both doses, against infection -- that figure should be 100%.

So this, apparently, is what we get with a hurried-up vaccine and a desperate rush to get Business As Usual back on track. It's a pretty good result -- that is, if you accept the premise that capitalism must benefit first and last with all government action.

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"The future is inside us/ It's not somewhere else." -- Radiohead

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@Cassiodorus

to create many vaccines, and last i'd read all of them were experimental.

now i'm assuming that most readers would find your CNBC link's numbers and charts regarding the cases in india and graphs...true, but once again i find myself wondering. thanks much for the cliffs notes of the good doctor's video, as well as noting his low bar for efficacy.

did he mention the headline i'd seen recently close to: delta strain requires fourth jabs?

but yes, getting back to Capitalist ventures has been part of the big play.

and yes, shifting sands, which i'd deleted from my final paragraph:

...most capitalist societies decided to rush along with some restrictions or no restrictions or restrictions for a little while then back to "normal" then restrictions again, alternating back and forth.

thanks, cass.

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Cassiodorus's picture

@wendy davis multiple vaccines, corresponding to corporations competing for market share in a capitalist system -- or at least one being simulated by neoliberals.

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"The future is inside us/ It's not somewhere else." -- Radiohead

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How does a serious disease get politicized? Rec’d!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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@orlbucfan

that there are good nations and western hegemonic enemy nations, so...sputnik vaccine is bad, as is cuba's (it must have a name i've forgotten).

how many billions did bill gates invest in the western ones?

wonderful signature line, by the way.

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@orlbucfan ...EVERYTHING MUST BE POLITICIZED NOW!

More Complicated Answer: Controversy prevents clarity - and somebody is so desperate to hide something they're willing to break countless minds and endanger countless bodies.

Seriously, what value is a living body without a thinking mind? I saw how a series of strokes turned my great-grandmother from a charming family elder to a giant infant who couldn't speak or recognize me - now family informs me that her daughter, after years fighting and beating deafness and diabetes like a true champ, has finally met the same fate at the hands of Parkinson's (my grandfather literally worked himself to death several years ago trying to take care of her, a romantic to the end), with the "help" of her "care" facility's draconian visitor restrictions due to COVID. To answer my own question: None. Life is cheap; its value is as an 'operating system' for things of infinitely greater value. I define a 'person' to be a thing that thinks independently - be it hominid, great ape, parrot, mollusc, machine, or Hoylean Black Cloud - and it works both ways: A thoughtless entity is NOT a person, regardless of incarnation. It is sentience and sapience we must value, not merely 'life'.

Anyone who demands you allow them to destroy your mind in order to preserve your body is YOUR MORTAL ENEMY. This is where zombie mythology (especially the Vodou kind) came from, after all!

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

To paraphrase Jodie Foster: Human is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from.

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@orlbucfan

i'd left out the largest politicization of all. the virus was created in Wuhan as a biological weapon, and escaped the lab.

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Cassiodorus's picture

from an infection she received while undergoing chemotherapy in a hospital. Hospitals are often nasty places. One wonders what medicine would be like without hospital profits.

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"The future is inside us/ It's not somewhere else." -- Radiohead

@Cassiodorus from healthcare and let us find out.\s

As if that will ever happen in the Money is Everything nearly defunct emppire we are living in.

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NYCVG

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@Cassiodorus

(Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) contributed to many hospital and nursing home deaths.

it seems that malpractice in hospitals and from docs is in my DNA, passed down from both my parents. i'll never go to another doctor or horse-pital again. it's been 30 (iirc) years since i last did. time passes weirdly when you're livin' la vida loca! ; )

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QMS's picture

Julian Assange aside, the (wiki) leaks angle has become a new way to make stories have merit.
Who's leaking what why?

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@QMS

believe the leaker is being truthful, then?

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@wendy davis

from an anonymous source does not disqualify it from having truth in it.
Most journalists care not to put their names on sources for fear of the
fate of other "whistle blowers". When you own an opinion against the
story line, whether it be about Covid, hospitals or insurance co's, your
career in on the line. That's where 'I overheard something on' (fill in the blank)
comes from. Just saying.

Know for a fact that most deaths happen in hospitals, whether from
natural causes, wrong meds, stray infections or malpractice.

There is probably a certain percentage of people getting the virus while
in the care of a medical health facility. That is a data point you won't see reported
by the MSM.

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The whole public health/epidemiological regime in the US was bollixed up from day one, and assume the UK didn't do much better. Fifteen months ago people were screaming for a test and did their own self-screening to obtain one. Back then and generally only those that had the financial means to afford a test got one. It wasn't any better when the tests became widely available. As of yesterday, a total of 527 million tests have been administered in the US and in the UK it was 241 million out of a population of 68 million.

S. Korea put together a more rational testing protocol. As of yesterday 11.5 million tests in a population of 51 million.

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@Marie

both false positives and negatives from swabs! leading to: which tests are reliable?

does this mean many folks had additional tests?

..in the UK it was 241 million out of a population of 68 million.

so...in SK, about one in five?

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@wendy davis
protocol that minimized useless testing. By and large, SK NHS determined who and when people were tested. (Saves a lot of national health care costs.) It was combined with contact tracing.

SK didn't shut down -- although in the early weeks schools were closed. Airport temperature checks were in place for flights from Wuhan before China shut down. Later expanded to flights from everywhere. That alone detected approximately a third of new cases in the early months. Those cases were placed in isolation quarantine. Others entering the county were to isolate for ten days or so, given info on the symptoms, and asked to seek medical attention if any illness developed. As that was an honor system, infected but not yet symptomatic travelers were responsible for some of the community spread.

They might have done better with a mask mandate but in the early months they went with "if sick, wear a mask," avoid poorly ventilated and crowded indoor places, open the windows at home as much as possible.

A few things seem to have gone into their calculations: 1) universal health insurance; so, sick people don't delay seeking medical care 2) sufficient medical/hospital resources to manage an expected infection rate (this limited the rate of deaths) 3) robust contact tracing system. On that last point, any hotspot got immediate attention and all those that could be identified were tested. Unlike China that stomped on it (at great economic cost), SK ended up managing it as a chronic infection that will only disappear when it disappears from the world. Although that probably wasn't their original expectation. As of yesterday: total cases 191,531 and deaths 2,079. Both more than respectable outcomes.

Compare that to Vietnam -- a much poorer country with a population of 98 million. Public messaging (the government is more trusted there than in most places), low tech pandemic measures, and limited clinic/hospital resources. They had it controlled/contained up until four months ago throughout SW Asia. Now - cases 114,260 and deaths 524. Still much better results than SK, but its new cases are several times larger and SKs, although a decline in the past couple of days is encouraging. It's a low test country - 606,987 and so far low vaccination rate; both due to costs.

Too soon to draw solid conclusions.

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@Marie

information. how do you retain such information? may i rent space in your brain's RAM?

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that Covid is spread widely in health facilities.

Nor is it breaking news.

The truth about all kinds of infections being transmitted in hospitals has been widely acknowledged for many years. At least in NYC, this is old news.

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NYCVG

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@NYCVG

NHS in the UK kept it tightly under wraps.

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@wendy davis

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...I've been told that 99% of cases are in the unvaccinated.

What does the local Peanut Gallery think of that?

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

To paraphrase Jodie Foster: Human is not something to aspire to, it's something to get away from.

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@The Liberal Moonbat

this article claims that:

Nationwide, the Delta variant is responsible for 83 percent of new COVID-19 cases and 97 percent of people hospitalized with COVID-19 are unvaccinated, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

this july 8 article attempts to parse: What the Delta Variant Means for Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People; What people should be most concerned about at this point

beats me; just scanning made my eyes go bonkers. dig in!

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@The Liberal Moonbat @The Liberal Moonbat

Pfizer vaccine's efficacy in preventing delta variant infections, 39%
Still 91 % effective in preventing serious illness

Decreasing potency of the vaccination against transmission
Those vaccinated January, 16%
February, 44%
March, 67%
April, 75%

I could not find figures unvaccinated vs. vaccinated hospitalized but this data suggests few Delta hospitalizations among those fully vaccinated. However the quickly dropping efficacy of transmission prevention over time together with up to 61% of vaccinated being unprotected from Delta infection suggests big trouble for hopes of herd immunity arriving any time soon.

[edit to correct “vaccinated being unprotected” percentage]

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"I fear that monstrous russian dictatorship going to attack the free world with bioweapons it seized in unexisting Pentagon funded humanitarian Ukrainian biolabs."
Greg Galloway 3/14/22

@ovals49 you read that wrong. 39% of vaccinated ARE protected from delta. 61% are not protected.

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@Battle of Blair Mountain

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"I fear that monstrous russian dictatorship going to attack the free world with bioweapons it seized in unexisting Pentagon funded humanitarian Ukrainian biolabs."
Greg Galloway 3/14/22

Pluto's Republic's picture

...even regarding the vaccines. Everyday. Mostly to cover up other lies. I can give plenty of examples. People with common sense should be able to see them. For example, the vaccine cannot stop an infection unless you become infected. It works inside the body.

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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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@Pluto's Republic

...does not include asymptomatic infections (the spreaders) because people aren't tested after being vaccinated.

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@Pluto's Republic

if I’ve read it correctly. We don’t have a vaccine for colds for this reason.

He said the challenge is that coronaviruses have historically been hard to make safe vaccines for, partly because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn't great at protecting.

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12146616?__twitter_impression=true

I’m open to different opinions.

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