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Submitted by fire with fire on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 9:47am

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US coronavirus: Delta variant is forcing officials to rethink Covid-19 measures, even for the vaccinated
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The more dangerous and more transmissible Delta variant has spread to nearly every state in the US, feeding health experts' concern over potential Covid-19 spikes in the fall.

The variant was first identified in India and is now considered a variant of concern by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, meaning scientists believe it can spread more easily or cause more severe disease.

The Delta variant now accounts for about 1 in every 5 new coronavirus infections in the US, the CDC has said. And with more than half of the population still not fully vaccinated, according to the CDC, health experts and officials worry that regions with low amounts of virus protection could see surges in the fall and winter.

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb told CBS that in terms of Delta spread, the US is about a month or two behind the UK -- a country that has been dealing with high numbers of cases despite relatively high vaccination rates. For those such countries, the World Health Organization advised last week that even the fully vaccinated should continue to wear masks.

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Hmmmmmn. Can anybody make any sense out of this account? Do the Pfizer and Moderna inoculations protect you from getting sick, dying or spreading the pandemic?

It appears the answer is maybe.

Another thing has been bothering me about these miracle drugs that rearrange the genetic code for "the" virus but leave your own DNA alone -- if people will need a booster shot at some time, when will that be? If you don't know in advance, how can you know when to get your booster shot? And if you don't know in advance, what is to keep you from finding out that the life saving vaccine is not working any more by getting sick and dying?

I guess you better keep wearing the mask even after getting jabbed lest the vaccine fails.

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Submitted by Lookout on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 11:16am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXH3Vr2cXPc (26 min)

Pfizer-BioNTech / Delta

6% less effective for the delta variant after two doses

Efficacy against symptomatic disease

One dose, 36%

Two doses, 88%

Effective against hospitalization

One dose, 94%

Two doses, 96%

AstraZeneca / Delta

1% less effective after 2 doses

Efficacy against symptomatic disease

One dose, 30%

Two doses, 67%

Effective against hospitalization

One dose, 71%

Two doses, 92%

Brett Weinstein claims we could eliminate COVID with ivermectin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hemBFOSQgpA (14 min)
Watch it quick it has been taken down once already and now moved to a new channel.

75 views • Jun 29, 2021 • I am struggling to rationalize or come up with a logical reason for the suppression of this life saving treatment that has allowed millions to die.
It just doesn’t make any cents

The families of those who have lost loved ones due to the health authorities disregarding and Social media censoring, Pierre Kory’s Senate testimony in congress - deserve answers and justice.

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Submitted by CB on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 11:27pm
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with jail and Ivermectin.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2IoQbMo9-8]

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Submitted by ovals49 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 7:41am

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that he would shoot people who refused the vaccine and feed them to the pigs.

What he actually threatened to do was inject them with Ivermectin (which is also available in pill form) instead. Meant to be an insult, since pigs are given Ivermectin for parasites, this could turn out be a blessing in disguise since Ivermectin is highly effective in both treatment and prevention of the SARS-CoV2 virus infection.

Given a choice I would opt for the Ivermectin over continuing with experimental genome therapies at this point.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 5:02pm

@Lookout

The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine has shown to be 88% effective against symptomatic infections caused by the Delta variant (my bold)

How many are asymptomatic, but infected and capable of transmitting enough of the highly infective Delta virus to dog knows how many others? They either don’t know or aren’t saying, but whatever that percentage is should be subtracted from their boastful but misleading 88% effective number. Prevention of symptoms is not the same as prevention of spreading the virus to others, which is way more important than simply preventing symptoms in an individual.

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Submitted by Granma on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 11:41am
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The MRNA vaccines do not change the virus's genetic code. Nor are they capable of messing with human genetics or DNA.

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Submitted by fire with fire on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 12:43pm

Sincere question.

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Submitted by Granma on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 7:10pm
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@fire with fire Immune system recognizes that is a foreign substance, gets to work building its defenses. If/when the virus with its spike protein comes along, immune system throws itself at it right away. I understand it better than I can explain, but that is basically it.

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Submitted by innatimm on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 7:54pm

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The mRNA in both the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines is the code used to make the coronavirus spike protein. Once this enters a cell it is the template used by the protein making machinery to produce the spike protein. No other viral mRNA is included in the vaccine so the vaccines don't make a full virus that is able to lead to an infection. Additionally, within the mRNA there is a sequence that the human body recognizes as a danger signal that alerts the immune system to begin building an immune response. The coronavirus spike protein is recognized as a foreign protein and the immune system develops antibodies and cells that can kill infected cells (cytotoxic T cells). mRNA is very fragile and doesn't last long within a cell so the protein is only around for a short time (maybe a week at most). The mRNA doesn't change the DNA of a cell so there aren't long lived changes to the cells that take up the mRNA vaccine. The second shot that is given boosts the number of killer cells and level of antibodies by stimulating the growth of the cells that were developed with the initial vaccination. This strategy is aimed at increasing the number of "memory" immune cells that can provide for long term immunity. This is usually timed to 3-4 weeks after the first shot as it takes about that long for the memory cells to develop.

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Submitted by CB on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 12:00am
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They were designed to stay attached to the cell where they were produced in order to trigger antibody production. But, it has been discovered that many can also travel freely in the bloodstream. They can then create blood clots or collect in various organs such as the brain, spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and ovaries where they may do irreparable damage.

Sure wish the Alligator was still with us.......

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 9:09am

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Submitted by CB on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 10:45am
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VIDEO - MRNA TECHNOLOGY, S-PROTEIN AND EMERGING DATA Interview by Katia Txi [June 21, 2021]

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[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY&t=8s]
VIDEO - Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic (Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Bret Weinstein)

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Submitted by ovals49 on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 10:11pm

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I’m reaching to follow even the general ideas being discussed but gleaning several alarming areas of concern and I’m only about half way through the video.

I will resume watching the rest in the morning. The subject just introduced as I hit the pause button involves a question of possible compromise of the blood-brain barrier…..

Our SARS-CoV2 vaccines, are very much experimental drugs and we humans are the lab animals. Is informed consent even possible when risks, especially long term and multigenerational, are unknown?

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 9:58am

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I learned that when I share a post about the virus that looked totally like it was from a verified scientific source and turned out to be bogus.

https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/covid...

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Submitted by ovals49 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 11:18am

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Fact checkers make hay with “absence of evidence” claims which easily conflates in peoples mind with “evidence of absence” of a particular truth. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Corticosteroids initially were not recommended for treating ventilated COVID patients, until it became the standard of care.

Masks were not recognized as an effective preventive measure for the public, until they became ubiquitous and essential for suppressing infections.

The lab leak theory was immediately dismissed and derided by a group of “experts and consigned to the “conspiracy theory” bin, until it was later acknowledged as a reasonable possibility.

The truth of a statement is measured against what we think we know at a particular moment. It can, and often does change as new information becomes available or a new understanding of existing data challenges the consensus opinion.

We still have a lot to learn about this pandemic, the safety of our experimental vaccines and the best ways to end this pandemic.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 11:46am

@ovals49

And I agree with what you are saying. However, look at the venue in which these scientists (as they claim) chose to expose this big news about the alleged cytotoxicity of the mRNA vaccines... a questionable venue with a very unprofessional host leading the discussion. If there is a serious concern, these men need to perform a rigorous research and testing program and then present their finding to the world in a serious fashion... .not in an interview on You Tube.

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Submitted by CB on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 1:05pm
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many technical papers to researchers in the field. He only went public due to resistance from drug manufacturers and the CDC.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 1:38pm

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raises cautions about these experimental vaccines that are being touted with a full court press to bolster their acceptance among the general population. Large double blind random control studies are tremendously expensive. Self funding research of this sort is completely out of reach for all but Big Pharma and Government, and take years to complete.

In the meantime there are numerous randomized control trials and epidemiological studies that have demonstrated a consistent and significant benefit in both prevention and treatment with Ivermectin that are largely being ignored. The evidence is compelling and the need is great. It is particularly ironic and egregious considering that the gods of medicine in the US have granted EUA’s to a series of experimental gene therapy concoctions that haven’t even completed half of the testing normally required prior to approval of a vaccine for public use, while Ivermectin needs its evidence to rise to the level of near perfection before they bestow their seal of approval as approved drug in the battle to help shut down the COVID19 pandemic.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 1:45pm

@ovals49

on our short term and possibly long term health.

We don't know what the long term (short term seems to be largely safe) effects of the vaccines are.

So do you get a shot or not?

I got Moderna in Feb/March. No perceived problems. I'm 70, If I get anything related to what the guys in video are warning against, how will we know if it's the shot or just aging?

I am not huge on vaccinations. Didn't do shingles and never do the winter flu shots. So I did what research I could on the Covid shots and made a decision. Which is the best any of us can do.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 2:09pm

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I very likely will not go for another round or booster of any of those currently available. I do have a prescription for Ivermectin as a backup, and have no problem wearing a mask and washing my hands.
I’ve 2 more years on my clock than you, am in very good shape for my age with only borderline hypertension as a co-morbidity risk. Ivermectin is a very well known commodity, the vaccines still a big unknown with some disturbing early warning signs that don’t seem to be getting much air time. On the MSM it’s all vaccine all the time, as if that alone can vanquish the pandemic. I don’t buy their pitch.

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 3:21pm

@ovals49

any information on what these people are warning us of. I also will look into Ivermectin. One of the supplements I take (PEA or palmitoylethanolamide) is in studies to counter Covid in terms of the cytokine storm issue. It's an anti-inflammatory with a long and solid history. I may just take moee of that!

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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 10:10am

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https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccine-cytotoxic/fact-check-c...

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Submitted by CB on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 12:50pm
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"Research shows that spike proteins (here) remain stuck to the cell surface around the injection site and do not travel to other parts of the body via the bloodstream, they added."

It's now been shown that these engineered spikes can be cleaved off allowing the S1/S2 particles to circulate in the blood stream.

The COVID-19 Spike Protein and the Still Uncertain Side Effects of the mRNA Vaccines
June 28, 2021
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The first assumption was that the only function of the Spike Protein was to help the virus enter a human cell. However, we now know that the natural Spike Protein itself can cause harmful effects. As a result, some scientists are worried that the modified Spike Proteins generated by the mRNA vaccines may still participate in some degree of ACE 2 receptor binding and trigger blood vessel inflammation.

The second assumption was that the nanoparticles of encapsulated mRNA would behave like the “traditional” vaccines and remain mainly at the vaccination site in the shoulder and in the regional lymph nodes in the axilla. However, uncovered data suggests this assumption may also be wrong.

A group of scientists recently obtained a summary of Pfizer’s bio-distribution study in animals. This type of study determines if a particular injected substance will concentrate in any organ or tissue. The study showed that after injection, the nanoparticles of encapsulated mRNA were accumulating in various animal organs in “high concentrations”. 1 This included the ovaries. If these studies apply to humans, there is a disconnect between public messaging and reality.
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Another separate study measured sequential plasma samples collected from 13 recipients of the Moderna vaccine at intervals. Eleven individuals had detectable levels of the vaccine-modified Spike Protein in their bloodstream as early as one day after the first vaccine dose. These proteins could still be detected in the bloodstream an average of 15 days after the first injection. One patient still had Spike Protein detectable on day 29, one day after a second vaccine dose, which disappeared two days later. 2 The manufacturers claim the Spike Proteins exist in exceedingly low concentration and are rapidly cleared from the bloodstream coincident with the individuals’ developing an immune response. However, the animal studies indicate that the Spike Proteins were concentrating in the ACE-2 rich tissues.

There are now accusations that Pfizer may have cut corners to rush its COVID-19 mRNA vaccine into production and that it failed to submit bio-distribution issues to the European Medicines Agency for review. 3 This includes not performing the full panel of industry-standard reproductive toxicity and geno-toxicity studies.
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The CDC maintains that the mRNA COVID vaccines are safe, effective, and “under the most intense safety monitoring in United States history”. That statement, by itself, is incorrect for the reasons outlined above.

The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines appear to be dramatically more dangerous than the annual “flu” vaccines and, and unquestionably the related mortalities are being poorly monitored. The actual effectiveness of the mRNA vaccines remains uncertain. Nevertheless, there are serious recommendations being discussed in the U.S. for giving mRNA vaccines to children.

Unfortunately, accurate future statistics on vaccine efficacy will now be impossible due to a recent CDC policy change. From 1 May 2021 onward, the CDC will now only count COVID vaccination breakthroughs that result in patients being hospitalized or dying. This new policy causes an inexcusable gap in the data collection on vaccine effectiveness because it will discount almost 90% of cases of vaccine failure.

This reckless behavior on the part of the CDC will only sow further vaccine distrust in the American population. This policy must be urgently challenged.
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Submitted by Fishtroller 02 on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 1:54pm

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"What MAY happen". What MAY be occurring".... Look, I'm no fan of the FDC and CDC and I always look at their advice and actions with a fish eye. But right now the advent of the vaccines has coincided with a significant reduction in the case numbers in places where vaccination rates are high. And if side effects of the vaccines are going to appear, we'll know it at some point.

Is the point of these articles to cause a lowering of vaccination rates? Is that the goal of promotion of this article? What would each of these scientists advise to the unvaccinated?

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Submitted by CB on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 3:37pm
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"What MAY happen". What MAY be occurring".... Look, I'm no fan of the FDC and CDC and I always look at their advice and actions with a fish eye.

Dr. Robert Malone – Bioethics of Experimental COVID Vaccine Deployment under EUA: It’s time we stop and look at what’s going down
by Robert W Malone, MD, MS1
July 1, 2021

I provide this brief essay for the TrialSite community because you are involved or at least interested in human subject clinical research. By way of background, please understand that I am a vaccine specialist and advocate, as well as the original inventor of the mRNA vaccine (and DNA vaccine) core platform technology. But I also have extensive training in bioethics from the University of Maryland, Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, and Harvard Medical School, and advanced clinical development and regulatory affairs are core competencies for me.
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This is one face of censorship in the time of COVID (see https://www.embopress.org/doi/full/10.15252/embr.202051420). But what are official public health leaders afraid of? Why is it necessary to suppress discussion and full disclosure of information concerning mRNA reactogenicity and safety risks? Let’s analyze the vaccine-related adverse event data rigorously. Is there information or patterns that can be found, such as the recent finding of the cardiomyopathy signals, or the latent virus reactivation signals? We should be enlisting the best biostatistics and machine learning experts to examine these data, and the results should- no must- be made available to the public promptly. Please follow along and take a moment to examine the underlying bioethics of this situation with me.
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Information, comprehension, and voluntariness. To my eyes, it appears that in many regions public health leadership has stepped over the line and is now violating the bedrock principles which form the foundation upon which the ethics of clinical research are built. I believe that this must stop. We must have transparent public disclosure of risks – in a broad sense – associated with these experimental vaccines. It is either that, or the entire modern bioethical structure which supports human subjects research will have to be re-thought.
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In conclusion, I hope that you will join me; stop to take a moment and consider for yourself what is going on. The logic seems clear to me. 1) An unlicensed medical product deployed under emergency use authorization (EUA) remains an experimental product under clinical research development. 2) EUA authorized by national authorities basically grants a short-term right to administer the research product to human subjects without written informed consent. 3) The Geneva Convention, the Helsinki declaration, and the entire structure which supports ethical human subjects research requires that research subjects be fully informed of risks and must consent to participation without coercion. Has that bright line been crossed? If so, what actions are to be taken? I look forward to learning from your thoughts and conclusions.

Did you know that vaccine trials in pregnant women and children were never done yet they have been administering these minimally tested vaccines for these groups.

COVID-19 vaccine trials to start in pregnant women, children
by Sarah Weller
March 01, 2021
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Physician-scientists in Omaha will be on the leading edge of research to ensure a safe, effective COVID-19 vaccine for pregnant women and children. The Child Health Research Institute (CHRI), a pediatric research partnership between University of Nebraska Medical Center (UNMC) and Children’s Hospital & Medical Center, will be leading two new COVID-19 vaccine trials in these unique, important populations. Both studies are sponsored by Pfizer.

The first trial is a randomized, placebo-controlled study evaluating the safety, tolerability and effectiveness of a vaccine candidate against COVID-19 in pregnant women and their newborns. Kari Simonsen, MD, MBA, chair of the UNMC Department of Pediatrics and pediatrician-in-chief at Children’s, will serve as the site primary investigator; Teresa Berg., MD, associate professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology at UNMC and director of Maternal-Fetal Medicine, will be the lead co-investigator.
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This global study will involve around 6,000 pediatric participants. The Omaha site plans to enroll around 50 children. Vaccine administration will take place at Children’s Specialty Pediatric Center, led by Children’s Pediatric Infectious Disease specialists.

"COVID-19 vaccine studies for pregnant women and children build on the knowledge gained from the completed adult studies. These important trials provide necessary safety and effectiveness information to expand implementation of COVID-19 vaccines to these groups. We are proud to contribute to these global efforts," says Dr. Simonsen.
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NEVER before have vaccine manufacturers been able to push their products to market at such scale and quantity. Luckily for them they cannot be sued if things go awry.

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Submitted by Dawn's Meta on Thu, 07/01/2021 - 4:05pm
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@innatimm @innatimm @innatimm Firstly, thank you CB for all the information and links you have been providing. They are valuable.

Secondly, the long YT of Bret Weinstein and Steve Kirsch with Dr. Malone, keeps being disappeared. It is actually quite good. Steve is too tightly wound and interrupts a more mild mannered Dr. Malone entirely too often.

Dr. Malone put his CV out there in this interview:
High Wire - Del Bigtree
American television and film producer as well as CEO of the anti-vaccination group Informed Consent Action Network. He produced the film Vaxxed: From Cover-Up to Catastrophe, based on the discredited[1][2][3] views of Andrew Wakefield and alleges an unsubstantiated connection between vaccines and autism. (These are Wiki comments)
I'm having trouble embedding the url for the interview. It's not YT.
https://thehighwire.com/videos/mrna-vaccine-inventor-calls-for-stop-of-c...
Episode 221 Interview with Dr. Robert Malone. Start at 50 minutes

I watched Lex Fridman, a native Russian, MIT autonomous robotics researcher and professor interview Bret Weinstein. Their topics, philosophical depth and truly touching ending comments were worth the time. I came away with a greater appreciation for Bret Weinstein as well.
[video:https://youtu.be/TG6BuSjwP4o]

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Submitted by Lookout on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 7:24pm
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Spreads fast but may be less lethal. (26 min)

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VudnjD3Jks]

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Submitted by snoopydawg on Tue, 06/29/2021 - 7:43pm
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Twit put a warning on it until it was sent to congress.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 12:58pm

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Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

If anyone knows how to retrieve any useful information from this system (as a citizen) I would appreciate a tutorial on the subject. It seems a rather opaque system where reports are not available to peruse as anonymous data, but instead are “reviewed” and either discarded as “unrelated” to the COVID vaccines or sorted in some fashion for future analysis.

It seems more like a data lockbox than a useful information resource for consumers who are trying to come to an informed decision with regard to ongoing personal risk-benefit evaluations. I guess we’re supposed to blindly follow “Tony’s” recommendations and ignore his record of previous prevarications with regard to the need for masks and other appropriate precautions.

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Submitted by ovals49 on Wed, 06/30/2021 - 2:03pm

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The CDC kindly provides an instructional video and detailed instructions for creating reports. I thought I had fallen into a black hole and arrived in front of a pre GUI 1980’s database program. (That’s what was what they called software before “applications” were invented). Not worth the effort.

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