Pelosi: Their violence was a beautiful thing to see
Our whole government applauded the actions in Hong Kong. Can you say Hypocrisy?
Must watch video shows the identical nature of US-government funded rioters who stormed the Hong Kong legislature and Trump’s mob that rioted in the US capitol. Via @taro_taylor pic.twitter.com/CnTPaMOzpb
— Dan Cohen (@dancohen3000) January 9, 2021
THIS!
This isn't the corner grocer capitalism our parents grew up with.
This is a networked world. These companies have a stranglehold on small business formation/success. Our access to the public square Our ability to find/get a job. Our access to personal communications.
— John Robb (@johnrobb) January 9, 2021
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— Walker Bragman (@WalkerBragman) January 9, 2021
Is his thumb really that long? Is this how y’all hold hands?
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Don’t like Facebook
Twitter or any social media or internet app? Don’t fucking use them!
What’s so hard about that? They don’t control the flow of 3 billion people’s info if we don’t give it to them. It really is that easy.
Hypocrisy from the US government and Americans? Ya don’t say? When did that start?
I’m not picking on you snoop. I love your content and generally agree with you and most on C99. Even when I don’t, like now, I respect you and your opinions.
Social media is both a wonderful tool and a trap. Corporations using a wonderful tool that people find useful (addicting?) isn’t anything new. Remember Coca Cola had cocaine at one time. They live by the market they will die when the market dries up. Step back from the keyboards people and stop whining about what is inevitable that we can’t change. It’s legal like it or not.
I personally don’t care what anyone says or writes. I know who they are by what they say. Let them be fools or assholes or intentionally offensive. But at some point the government that is supposed to have an interest in the greater good should regulate what is in the public interest. Too bad our system ceased acting that way a long time ago. That is the problem. We don’t like what corporations do but we continue to support them by using their products against us. That is a problem. We can do something about the corporations if not the government. Do it instead of crying about it.
I’m in that dilemma with WhatsApp, a Facebook owned app. It is necessary for daily life here. But as of today I’m only using it when I must. I have a new app for communication with friends around the world that doesn’t, yet, use my data in ways I don’t want them to.
It is our responsibility to act in our own interests on these kinds of issues. Nobody else will. It’s on us when we don’t.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
I don't use FB and Twitter.
And because of that I have lost friendships. And because of that, my writing is seen by, at most, a few hundred people, as opposed to potentially tens of thousands or more.
And I happen to be connected to people who wanted to create this small space. What if I weren't? I'd have nowhere to go but the corporate press and those social media companies you just describe.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Even though I don’t
use FB, Instagram, Twitter, etc., I’m sure I’ll be negatively impacted in some way.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
OT but has anyone else thought about this?
Thousands of people breech the halls of congress and many of them were wearing backpacks as you can see in the photos. But after they got all of them to leave congress just went back into the chambers and finished their business.
How did anyone know that no one left a pipe bomb or something there? Where was the security on that? Curious.
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The police union endorsements/support of Trump
partly answer the questions how and why the protesters got in so easily. Maybe my tin foil hat is on too tightly but I wouldn't be surprised if this was a factor.
They did
But I’m wondering why no one thought to make sure it was safe for them to go back to work. How could they KNOW it was safe? There had to be hundreds of backpacks there. Any one of them could have contained something and hidden to go off in an hour or so. If it were terrorists that had done it you know congress would never have been allowed back in. This is my question.
Anyone?
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Just my assumption
but I suspect that when this was being organized, the pre-arranged understanding with law enforcement was nothing too rigourous in terms of screening and the protesters would show up and shout a bit, and then go home. I don't think they were anticipating the moron tidal wave to start acting out their video games. They became dangerous very quickly and it wasn't what the cops agreed to/expected.
I’m thinking that they didn’t think Trump supporters would
fight with cops like they did. Remember just a few months ago they joined with the cops against BLM. I thought how dumb of them to do that. They trained all their lives to be on guard against interference with our rights and when BLM was met with violence that did go against the 1st. Especially the peaceful ones.
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I watched it live
and it was said to have been swept thoroughly before the House and Senate reconvened. It seemed to me that not enough time elapsed to do a really thorough sweep. I thought they would reconvene in two of the auditoria in the Congressional office buildings.
Thank you
Okay at least they swept it some. But it’s got to be a very big building so a few hours? Might be enough time.
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No tin foil hat needed
At least one video shows the Capitol police letting protesters in to the Capitol. There are also pictures of protesters and police posing together for selfies.
The night before the protests, the Convo Couch interviewed several protesters and one of them said that his local PBA endorsed this action.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Here is another view of the cops just watching
But in just this short clip you can see backpacks. Any time we enter a federal building we have to be scanned and no backpacks are allowed. How’d they know it was safe?
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Glad to see this video posted
In this video, you can clearly see the police open the doors and then stand quietly by along the hall as the protesters enter. I found the link to this video at PJ Media website which I believe is right wing, but the accompanying text is very interesting.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/01/08/the-most-...
Since there is a definitive video of the police letting protesters in, I am having a difficult time understanding how Trump can be held solely accountable for this. This incident at the Capitol has been used to ban Trump from all social media, and for Biden and the Democrats to push for MORE laws banning speech under the guise of homeland security.
What has transpired thus far from this incident is far more frightening than the incident itself because the long term effects are going to be tyranny via tech and more losses of our First, Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. All of this coming from the Dems with the Squad leading the way.
The rally at the Capitol had an estimated 100,000+ people in attendance and only a very small number of those at the rally stormed the Capitol building. What I foresee in the future is that any gathering of people will be met with strong arm police tactics. Biden is already talking about increasing federal aid to police departments. Authoritarianism is alive and well in DC, regardless of the administration. The fallout of this incident is being used to suppress dissent on both the right and left. So no one should cheer Trump's ban from social media because it is and will continue to be used against us on the left..
On top of that, no one in the Democratic party is even talking about Medicare for All or another stimulus or any other COVID relief for the people. Every time a populist idea takes hold, some sort of incident conveniently occurs to divert the public's attention away from it.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Indeed. One of those backpacks could have been carrying, oh,
I don’t know, something like white anthrax powder that turned out to have come from the government’s own bioweapons research lab at Fort Detrick? The Capitol was shut down for weeks that time back in 2001. (How quickly everyone forgets, eh?)
You’re right, somehow this time they knew with 100% certainty that they had nothing of that sort to worry about.
And how quickly they forget that the anthrax scare
was the window they used to push the Patriot Act through...
Absolutely
They could not have know for sure how safe it was and besides it was a crime scene that has finally been declared one yesterday by the AG who has convened a grand jury for the capital mayhem. But it just seemed weird that they went in the same chambers that had been violated. I understand and know that they needed to certify the results, it was just odd.
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They checked.
It's standard procedure to deploy bomb-sniffing dogs and explosives trace detectors (ETD) after a critical event.
Good to know
I don't know how much time passed between them being taken out for safety and when they were let back in. Of course they could have made certain that room was cleared, it just dawned on me how weird that seemed to be. And it was handled differently then other events like that if you can think of one. But I would have thought there would have been crime scene techs going through things. Lots of strangers were in the crowds. Who knows?
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The capitol building was searched and cleared
before they went back in. But you are right that it was done extraordinarily quickly. I had heard on the news earlier that day that it was likely to be at least 24 to 48 hours before the building was cleared and declared safe. But it was done in a matter of a few hours. I also read that was why the crowd outside was left alone for so long, because they were focused on clearing and securing the building first. Which makes sense.
And of course, this was entirely different from any other crime scene. This was the U.S. Congress and they were responding to a direct attack that was designed to prevent them from finishing the job at hand. It was essentially in pure defiance of that effort that they were all determined to stay all night and get it done. So I suppose some of the protocols were set aside so they could get back in there as quickly as possible. I stayed up all night that night and watched every minute until it was over. I think it was a good thing they did that, necessary even. Letting the attack succeed in delaying the vote would have been a bridge too far. Even the republicans were on board with getting back in there to finish the job.
Thanks for the info
and thanks everyone for clearing this up for me. As to this:
Yes I agree. It was important to finish the business and not be too scared to do it. I am curious though and will look, but if the repubs who are questioning the results of Penn. because the legislature did not authorize mail in ballots, then how was it different than what democrats did 3 times before and the latest was in 05 when Boxer and another questioned the results from Ohio for Bush. If it was legal for dems to do it, then why not the GOP? This needs clearing up. I will look later. Gotta run and burn off some puppy energy.
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How is it different
First of all, let's not conflate legality with what is right and wrong. The republicans making objections were entirely legal, and in fact everyone had already accepted that they were going to do it, and it was going to drag out the process so they could put on a show, and of course send out fundraising emails and twits during the performance. Then, after delaying things for several hours, they would lose and Biden's win would be final (again). Although a number of people were not happy about this, they were not doing anything illegal.
So I'm not sure what you are asking, actually. What was illegal was people breaking into congress and looking to kidnap and execute members of congress. I don't remember that happening with previous challenges. They were done mostly quietly, ceremoniously, without fanfare, and most importantly, without an invasion and takeover of the capitol.
So yeah, I can see that after running for their lives, hiding in secured rooms, and seeing their offices and the whole building invaded and trashed, and their lives threatened, they were a little pissed off, and thought that maybe at that point it as time to drop the performance and just get the job done.
And anger that all of this bullshit about the election being stolen was the reason that this invasion happened in the first place. You know, Boxer and whoever else made challenges before did not call an army to DC and then make a speech telling them to march on congress in the blind rage of an armed mob calling for executions of the vice president and speaker of the house.
I would think the differences are fairly obvious, if you think about it.
I am only asking about what repubs in congress were doing
I keep seeing people calling them traitors for trying to overrule the results of the election. If dems could question it before then why is it illegal and uncool for some republicans to do the same thing? I am not talking about the Trump supporters outside. SO no it is not clear to me what rules they broke. As I said I will look to find the answers.
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They didn’t break any rules or laws
so I wouldn’t waste time looking for that. If they are traitors then it’s only in the sense of inciting an insurrection with their rhetoric. Not that the mere fact of making a challenge is being a traitor. As for it being “uncool” I think my previous comment above covered that pretty well.
By the way, good luck with the new pup! She’s totally adorable.
Apparently they have these really super-special dawgs that can
determine in a matter of minutes whether any polonium, ricin, Novichok powder or liquid, etc. has been applied to any surface anywhere in the whole building.
RT.com had a piece up
saying that the Capitol police had found 2 'assumed pipe bombs', wires and all. but they sprayed them with boatloads water so everything in the pipes melted away.
i know i've shown this tweet i've saved before, but it bears repeating:
you likely already know that biden's tapped victoria nuland to head his european desk, yes?
a two-fer, of course, given hubbie robert kagan will be assisting.
I believe this to be the truth
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Definitely
I definitely agree. The timing of this could not be more convenient for Biden and the Dems to funnel even more money into the security state.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
From the Wall Street Journal...
"Mr Biden has said he plans to make a priority of passing a law against domestic terrorism, and he has been urged to create a White House post overseeing the fight against ideologically inspired violent extremists and increasing funding to combat them."
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Patriot act 2.0 has already been written by Adam Schiff
he wrote it up after last year's El Paso incident where a lot of immigrants or Latinos were killed. I don't think it had anything to do with W supremacy, but who knows? Trump instigated that attack too through his words. This is why I want him impeached to remove the chance that he can run again in 24. We don't need more of him, but there are plenty waiting in the wings I am sure. Big tech has backed dems over repubs for some time.
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I was hoping that Trump would pardon Assange, Snowden
and Chelsea Manning before they block that power. However, I think he is too distracted now.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
1996 redux
When the used the first WTC bombing, the OKC bombing and media hyperventilating about the "militia threat" to push through the "Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act" - which went a long way toward shit canning habeas corpus, among its other "features". source
Passed the Senate 91-8.
Expect more banderas falsas in the days to get people abjectly whimpering for more authoritarian 'protection'.
Caitlin's take if you’re interested
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/boot-coming-down-hard-and-fast
Also moon of Alabama talks about how Schiff wrote the next patriot act last year after the El Paso shootings. IIRC, a bunch of Latinos were killed because someone thought that they were undocumented. How would that be white supremacy? But it was related to Trump’s rhetoric.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/01/democrats-use-capitol-incident-to-...
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Reading the comment threads makes for thoughful
consideration. Thanks for the links. Hi tech savvy writers weigh in with what is a safe and secure communication suite?
The swift actions of a host of internet/network based companies was/is not unplanned. Buy in from 'liberals' had to happen to make this palatable.
Two things just hit me viscerally: Pelosi giving her 'heartfelt' speech on Trumps malfeasance and the side by side comparisons of the window smashing point of entry between Hong Kong people and the tepid group entering the Capitol. HK people were angry and scared. The DC crowd, not so much.
A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. Allegedly Greek, but more possibly fairly modern quote.
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I always learn something from the comments on MoA
lots of smart people there and they usually provide links to sites that interest me after I follow their comments to it.
It isn't just social media that has cut Trump off. Spotify will no longer sell his merchandise and the company that does his email list has dropped him. What they are doing is erasing Trump's hold over his supporters. For now. But I think it is going to cause a big backlash. Which might be the point. First isolate Trump and his supporters and then impeach him so he can't run again and you are throwing gas on the fire of ramping up tensions instead of going for unity as some decry.
I have no answers to this. Just seeing what is happening and HOW FAST it is happening should worry all of us. We knew it was coming. I did not think it would happen as fast as it didn, but looking back we had signs that it would be here one day. What's next?
Have you heard about the bill in NYC where Cuomo or anyone he delegates can remove someone and put them in isolation until someone says to let them go? I will essay this later today if I have time.
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First I've hear of it. Can it be challenged in (a) court?
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I grew up in Silicon Valley
My parents foolishly dragged me away from it when I was 16, and I still consider it home. What Johnstone describes is anathema to the values and vision of everyone I knew there.
My home has been taken from me TWICE. Everyone thinks they know all there is to know about the place, and presume to tell me so in a degrading manner that I'll wager many of you may also be pretty familiar with.
My entire life, my history, my existence is being erased - SCAPEGOATED! - for the sake of Narrative Convenience...what am I supposed to do?!?
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Moon of Alabama
There is so much great info in the Moon of Alabama link. As an example, this
Follow the link in the highlighted quote (immediately above) to read the two tweets that got Trump banned.
The implications of this are so very frightening. I urge everyone to read the MoA link that Snoopy has in her comment above.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Back to Tracey tweet and the MOA article
https://nypost.com/2021/01/09/twitter-allows-hang-mike-pence-to-trend-ho...
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/01/09/twitter-a...
So Dementia Joe and co are what they claim tRump was...it's going to get ugly. It's almost as if they want a civil war, revolution, protests and riots.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
So, Trump *is* planning to do a John Adams?
Probably the smartest thing he could do - get out of town before the dog and pony (soldier) show, so there aren't any "convenient distractions".
If that's his plan, I hope he sticks to it.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Let's hope so
But until he actually leaves the building, nothing is certain. It is still entirely possible he will hole up in the oval office or residence and create another stand off to get him out.
I will feel better once he moves out and leaves town, which I wish he would do today. But of course he won't, because that would simply ruin the ratings for the big Appretice--White House Edition series finale next week.
He is leaving on the 19th as far as I know
Biden told him not to come to the inauguration so Trump is skipping it and going to Florida. Another fo paux that hasn’t happened in over a century.
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The last time, as I recall, was 1869
Ulysses S Grant (incoming president) let Andrew Johnson (outgoing president) know that he would not be welcome at the inauguration, and Johnson agreed to stay away.
Neither of the Adamses stuck around for their successors' inauguration - John Adams' reaction is the better known, but John Q. Adams followed suit in a pique over losing to Andrew Jackson (whom he had been chosen over by the House of Representatives in 1824 - Jackson came back stronger in 1828 and ousted John Q).
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Nancy has peculiar taste with which coups that she likes!
Here she is yucking it up with Juan Guaido.
DUDE.
That's Guaido?
He looks like Lurch of The Addams Family and Viktor Krum from the Potterverse got caught together in a bad Star Trek-transporter malfunction.
r/RoastWorldLeaders should really be its own thing on Reddit....
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!
Speaking of Hong Kong...
No wonder Nancy cheers it on...the US is promoting it as an arm of our China cold war.
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/12/04/ukrainian-nazis-hong-kong-protests/
https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/09/hong-kongs-far-right-us-politicians-c...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
You're seriously equating Hong Kong with what happened here?
Just to be clear:
On the one side we have a group of people rebelling against a set of laws meant to oppress and control.
On the other side we have a group of people seeking to overturn, by force, the result of an election that has yet to have any serious evidence of fraud.
Yeah, those are definitely the same thing.
Will you stop mocking us?
You know the rule. If you're just commenting to be a dick then skip the essay. I am not comparing anything. I am showing how it is just fine for the US to weaponize citizens of other countries to overthrow their leaders, but see what it was like themselves. And yes. This op in Hong Kong was run by the US. You can search for the info yourself. You might learn something.
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