08/12 OT: Cancel Culture isn't a thing, it's propaganda
What is cancel culture? It is a propaganda term and hence likely propaganda, but to what end? "Oh look, somebody lost a spoon, oh, but it's bent. No use for a bent spoon, but there's a blue frisbee over there and some oblong pieces of driftwood." Nobody ever stumbled across a cancel culture- that is NOT a natural locution, it was created and, imo, carefully crafted. Nicely alliterative, paired 2 syllable words, each beginning with a hard c. Lots of connotation but no real denotation, vague, and even some tension and contradiction. Culture, if not art or petri dish contents, is shared and collaborative, cancel, if not stamps or orders is somewhat along the lines of negation. Negation of culture or a culture of negation? Which, if either? This didn't just happen, somebody created it to achieve something.
Something of a vignette here: Statues of Confederate Heroes are cancel culture if there ever were such a thing. They cancel every bit of progress on the civil rights front since 1861. They cancel black culture, ancestral, in the US past and present, and in the future. They cancel the idea that black people are even human, let alone equal. They cancel the very idea of a nation based on equal opportunity, equality before the law, equal rights and individual freedom. Yet nobody noticed that. Nobody discovered the existence of some "cancel culture", or, more to the point, nobody felt obligated to create and weaponize a phrase, cancel culture. Not, that is, until there was a widespread call to destroy these emblems of evil, then, That was cancel culture.
OMG, they're trying to destroy our glorious, proud Confederate history and legacy, our illustrious past, what ever shall we do.
Some laborites are clamoring for the repeal of laws and regulations prohibiting secondary boycotts, potentially giving them more clout in their lopsided struggle against the oligarchs. This too, it turns out, will be decried as cancel culture.
Somebody is pushing something here, and it isn't a broom.
Behold: Americans tune in to ‘cancel culture’ — and don't like what they see -- As Donald Trump seizes on it and elite journalists obsess over it, a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll shows significant concern about the practice. --
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/22/americans-cancel-culture-377412...
I'm pretty sure that this isn't necessarily too bad of a thing, depending upon exactly what it is or means. Politico says:
In a Fourth of July speech at Mount Rushmore, Trump said, “We want free and open debate, not speech codes and cancel culture. We embrace tolerance, not prejudice.” Speaking of the left, he added that “one of their political weapons is ‘cancel culture’ — driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees. This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and our values, and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America.” (One commentator quickly pointed out that Trump has long been one of the most enthusiastic practitioners of cancel culture.)
That alone is several different things, and not at all a definition, but they tell us further on that:
The POLITICO survey used a neutral definition of cancel culture adapted from its entry on dictionary.com: “the practice of withdrawing support for (or canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive."
. (my emphasis)
That is a vast multitude of different things, and pretty much largely not in line with what they say trump said or with the following:
Cancel culture is generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming.
There's nothing about group or other shaming or about getting people fired in the definition. Beyond that, if you read the article, it is mostly about going after people for what they said.
stuff seemingly considered to be "cancel culture"
"punishing people or institutions over offensive views," "shared their dislike of a public figure on social media after they did something objectionable," "public shaming and ostracism" Those are all very different things.
We claim to believe in freedom of speech, and kind of do to varying degrees, but don't fully practice what we preach, especially the corporate-government symbiote. All the same, as even the article notes, we also believe that those who say things that much of the populace finds offensive should expect push-back and criticism, we have free speech, but it is nonetheless to be expected that some speech will have consequences and it is even proper and desirable that speech have consequences.
So what line is being drawn here and where? Also by whom and why? I mean making negative comments about somebody on social media, or criticising them for something they said or did? This is a bad thing? Bwahahaha. Not in this country. In reality, one should arguably criticise the comment or act and not the person making or doing it, but that's also not remotely "The American Way" (which is or was a rip-off, fwiw). There is, however, a hidden assumption that one is trying to deal with persons of good will, persons capable of learning and willing to do so. We are not always doing so any more. The purpose of free and open discussion, no holds barred and nothing off of the table, has always been to facilitate and implement the exchange of ideas.
So let's visit that definition.
“the practice of withdrawing support for (or canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive.".
Note that they straight up equate "withdrawing support" with "canceling". So cancelling doesn't mean anything vaguely resembling its normal usage and meaning when when used as part of this convoluted locution. Arguably if you decide to stop funding a candidate who withdraws, or your bra or jock breaks, these are all instances of "cancellation". I suggest that this new usage of the terms "cancel" and "cancellation" be henceforth italicized or placed in scare quotes.
Getting somebody fired or deplatformed or otherwise punishing them hardly seems to be merely withdrawing support. Also, withdrawing support is silently forked, merely withdrawing support and publicly withdrawing support. Then there is the why clause, which, again, is forked, for something they said or did. Not discussed above is currency, was this said or done recently, or 40 years ago, and, if in the past, how old was the perpetrator at the time. Also ignored is the severity of the offense, ex: boycott x because the owner said women were inferior to men in 1952 when he was 16, or because an employee criticized my girlfriend's hair and the manager refused to fire her on the spot, or because the owner openly advocates for outlawing homosexuality and killing gay people and refuses to hire or serve gays. These are also highly different things.
quietly withdrawing support because of something they said
vs
quietly withdrawing support because of something they did
vs
publicly withdrawing support because of something they said
vs
publicly withdrawing support because of something they did
Why are those very disparate things being lumped together and then tarred via guilt by association with people trying to get somebody fired for something they said in high school in the fifties? Is it perhaps because they wish to denounce certain current and likely future boycotts as some sort of knee jerk, yet evil, bit of cancel culture. Is it perhaps, as hinted at above, to smear those wishing to remove symbols of institutionalized racism or religious preference from the courthouse door?
Some things seem clear.
Deplatforming people for expressing unpopular opinions or views is an extreme form of censorship and the ultimate in prior restraint. True, nobody is guaranteed a platform unless they can afford to buy one, but in a day and age when the same oligarchs that control the government also control the majority of the media sources and carriers, it reeks of government censorship. There is also an element of intellectual cowardice involved, the "no,no,no, I don't want to hear it" fear of heretics and heresies that is the hallmark of certain true believers of all types who hold a fanatical devotion to an idea, belie, or set or system thereof but who secretly know that they themselves cannot support it with any better reasoning than "the great illustrious poobah told us so" and hence fear that plausible well reasoned heresies might cause them to lose their faith. But a small step above those is those who would otherwise be willing let anybody say their piece, but who don't wish to feel that they must try to refute it and fear that they will be unable to do so. Censorship is almost never a good thing; if you fear my words, don't read them, but also don't ban them.
For all of the reasons that censorship is bad, criticism must be held to be acceptable and arguably good in its own right. Criticism most certainly should not be dectied and lambasted as "cancellation", if only on empirical grounds. Even the briefest exposure to politics will prove than even the most unerringly perfect, true and unarguable demolition of the most erroneous, fatuous, false and irrational theory, idea, proposition or meme will be ineffective in persuading something like 40 to 50% of its adherents to abandon it.
Few would disagree that I have the right to adhere to or support any person, place, or thing; any candidate, company, or brand; any idea, theory or ideology of my choosing. So why then is it some sort of problem for the proponents of this highly suspect neologism if I should chose to withdraw such support, be it for whatever cause or even out of arbitrary capriciousness. If decide, in belated recognition of his demise, to finally withdraw my support for Pat Paulsen as a presidential candidate, how in holy hell can that be deemed to somehow cancel his life and existence. Firstly, there are many senses in which that can never occur, and, secondly, the fates already did that in 1997 in Tijuana. If I were to create a web page listing all of the things I boycott and giving my reasons, that would cancel nothing. If I were then to be deplatformed for so coing, as I most certainly would, that would be a cancellation of sorts.
Is perhaps the real problem here that ordinary humans are, to the limited extent possible, taking control of their little personal chunk of the global narrative themselves, and, for better or worse, using it for their own individual purposes and goals? Did the hoi polloi grab the mike? Is that what this is really about?
I claim to have no answers or certainty, but I do know propaganda when I see it, and I know that with the phrase "cancel culture", indeterminate as to both denotation and connotation, vastly vague and vaguely vast, but ever so greatly negative in every regard, I am for shit sure being propagandazed.
Your mileage may vary and your opinions should, at least to some extent, differ.
be well and have a good one.
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It's an open thread, so have at it. The floor is yours
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A good breakdown
as to how the thought manipulators
wage war on critical thinking
"new" buzz words such as woke and cancel culture
seem designed to deeply obscure self-evident ideas
witness how concepts are propagandized
socialism becomes commies
progressive becomes radical
muslim becomes terrorist
authority becomes incarceration
health care becomes health insurance
The list is long. Thanks for the clarity.
question everything
Good morning QMS. Thanks for the further esposition
and examples.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Culture has been canceled
and we're in a wild truth free free for all - especially where media and information is concerned.
Onward through the fog...it is foggy here this AM after all.
Have a good one everyone!
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Yup. Truth itself
has been the target all along. Once the entire concept of objective truth has been cancelled, then the public is ripe for the appearance and ascension to power of a Prophet who will speak The Only Real Truth and Who Must Be Believed. All other information, if it came from any other source, will be Lies and Must Be Suppressed.
This dystopia feels more like Heinlein than Orwell. The way I see it unfolding, we're pretty much ready for a Nehemiah Scudder. Can't be Trump, he's the equivalent of shelling the truth-beaches from offshore to soften them up before the landing craft get underway. Cotton, maybe. Somebody with a completely sociopathic grasp of the fake smile and the friendly aphorism to take up The Good Book (whichever one) and Make Everything All Better. This "election", featuring two babbling dementia victims, will go a long way towards readying the public to accept anyone who might appear to have a clear voice and a clear idea of how they might be most efficiently enslaved. The religious aspect will just be the cherry on top. You called it, Sinclair.
At times like these, I'm frankly glad that I'm old and childfree. But your mileage may vary. Soon come!
Twice bitten, permanently shy.
Good morning antisesquepedalian, right you are. Truth is
always the first target and the first casualty. We've been sliding downhill toward this catastrophic finale for quite some time now. As you note, religion will be the cherry on top, and it will be there because in the US it is the easiest ideology to foist upon the people because:
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning Lookout. Fog at least brings coolth, a good
time to knock off some chores.
Culture, to the extent it existed here, has indeed been canceled, by TV, or else replaced by or morphed into TV. It does, some extent still exist in sneaky places, the odd private (or public) sculpture garden, for example.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
I have never heard about 'Cancel Culture', but
I have cancelled my cultural standards, I thought I had, for quite a while and behave like a dirty cultured piggy online without any morals, sigh.
I mean I have to fit in somehow ...
I can't be serious anymore. It's over. Blame the heat, Covid 19 and all those political types you don't like. They deserve it.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Good morning mimi, Yes, one can't be serious anymore.
Ionesco and all that crew, the surrealists and dada crowd all presaged this era, or, if one prefers, Wilde who told us that "Life is too important to be taken seriously".
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
you are very kind to give me such educated response
to my out of bound ranting along.
It is true though that the worse the outlook of the future looks like the more humorous banter between me and the folks who live in the same house becomes.
As a highschool student I had to make a presentation of 'Absurdes Theater', in which I talked about Beckett's "Waiting for Godot" and Ionesco. And I read Sartre. Oh well, all forgotten, see what happened to my life, it is beyond absurd.
Thank you for all you give us here.
https://www.euronews.com/live
I had to write a paper on the same topic, more or less,
also in high school. I'd read all of the works I could find, plus such dada as I could find already and even some more or less parallel works by beats (Ferlingetti's "Seven Unfair Arguments with Existence", for example), so I wrote on Lewis Carroll as a precurser. He was a logician and philosopher and keen social critique disguised as a mathematician.
There is a lot of existential-absurdist stuff in the Alice books, and more in "Sylvie and Bruno", but his pseudo-epic poem "Hunting of the Snark" really is or can be read as pure absurdist theatre, and really should be performed sometime somewhere as such.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Here's some fun stuff ...
From my morning paper: Man's curse-filled rant at Tucson store over face-mask requirement goes viral
Linked at naked capitalism: 40 Ignorant People Getting Shut Down With Science Facts
What a country.
Have a nice day.
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Good morning Az. Thanks for the illuminating and
entertaining video. I find it intriguing that so many are placing such a great store upon the development of a vaccine. If only 1/2 of the population take it, this disease will be with us forever all the same.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Today's earworm, courtesy of Tulsi Gabbard.
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Stay safe, Tulsi.
Experts: COVID-19 is spreading in Hawaii at a faster rate than anywhere else in the nation
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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
Thanks Az, good way to start the day, at least as good as
any.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morn
Good topic. I think we all experienced this earlier at Top. Post an opinion, or response that went against the "establishment". After a few responses, a trusted user who joined DK waaaay back in 1957 would chime in, aggrieved and slightly hostile to tell you you're wrong. Then other trusted users would chime in agreeing that you're wrong, and foolish, not woke, a Naderite, were the reason HER lost the election and should be embarrassed to even be posting, as if you weren't checking for comments. If you had the audacity to show up again to defend yourself, well, there's always skull and crossbones.
Good morning Snode. Yep, in a word,censorship via
the hiddens or else ban hammer, much easier than actually refuting somebody's position.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Now there are very few people left who offer
an opposing opinion on whatever the subject is. I used to see 2 people regularly try to hit back on Russia Russia Russia over there, but not recently. Today a few people hit back on Harris being a progressive attorney general and boy did the "shut up!" folks come down on them. And don’t dare say anything derogatory about the Lincoln Project folks. Just because they were in Bush’s cabinet and pushed for the Iraq war doesn’t mean they are bad peoples. Not when they are being mean to Trump. And backing Biden. Oh noes...
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
In other words
what we went through in '16 was mild compared to now. And it’s just an echo chamber anymore. I can collapse one comment and it collapses all comments in some diaries.
Putin isn’t going to make you homeless or kill you or deny you health care.
Your government will allow it to happen though.
Cancel culture is real and simple
It is the transformation of morality into a terror state. The goal is the Cultural Revolution and the Stalinist purges, Orwell's thought crimes made real. By making morality fluid and potentially fatal morality is negated and thus the whims of the powerful are elevated and assured.
Suggested reading: David Reisman's Faces In The Crowd, Hanna Arendt's Eichmann In Jerusalem. The Origins Of Totalitarianism, Crises In The Republic, and then 1984.
On to Biden since 1973
good aftrnoon doh. There is something to that, though
"morality" has always been fluid and potentially fatal, most of "western history" is tied up in that, suppression of heresy, witches, pagans, unbelievers and eventually holy wars, the Crusades and other xtian jihads.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Here’s some Reddit posters taking the opposite position
Very extended and detailed discussion of how they, from their various personal viewpoints, see a “cancel culture” phenomenon as working.
https://np.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/hre26t/white_hot_harlots_rain...
That seems to capture it
Cancellation is nothing new and was frequently used by various establishments, left and right: show too much interest in the labor movement and you lose your job and perhaps future jobs in an industry; be sympathetic towards Marxism and get put on the McCarthy blacklist; be insufficiently enthusiastic towards various Communist parties and end up in the Soviet Gulag or a Chinese reeducation camp (or worse). The main difference is that you don't need the power of government or the corporatocracy to carry out a cancellation.
Good morning MM. It goes back even before those worthys,
"she's a witch, burn her" comes to mind. So does Animal Farm and Lord of the Flies.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
witch
But does she weigh the same as a duck?
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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Good morning DH. Sometimes one just has to have proof,
ya know. Thanks.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good afternoon lot. All of that may be true of today's
social media culture, and perhaps wider too, but I don't think this is a thing and I don't think very many people sit down and think to themselves, "OK, I'm gonna go and try to cancel so and so". It is the neighborhood and schoolyard cliques of yesteryear writ large, amplified and expanded by the media. It's still the cool kids excluding and harassing the "others" but with ever shifting rules and definitions of what it takes to be in and to be cool and what will get you targeted as opposed to ignored and globally as opposed to the PS-52 5th grade clique.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Whatever one calls it, I think it *is* a thing worthy of a name
when, for example, Linus Torvalds can be forced out of his own life’s work, Linux, by people wielding a hyper-political, woke-ish “code of conduct” they and their allies have succeeded in railroading through numerous projects in the free-software field.
Or, for another example, when people who owe a huge part of their success in the entertainment industry to Joanna Rowling’s Harry Potter oeuvre turn around and, in unison, denounce her and repudiate their friendship with her based on disagreement over one single opinion of hers that they disagree with. Is basic loyalty no longer a principle in their personal and professional relationships? Is the political atmosphere so polarized and poisoned that, after no matter how many years of faithful collaboration, they feel obligated to jump on the nearest bandwagon, unable or unwilling to speak up in defense of a valued colleague or give her the slightest benefit of the doubt?
steered by tears
question everything
Linus Torvalds is doing just fine
He didn't give up his life's work. He took a few weeks off a couple of years ago to decide whether he wanted to continue being an asshole or not, then he came back to work, making over a million dollars a year and still controlling Linux as well as working on other open source projects. I guess he decided to try to be less of an asshole when he came back. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing.
Cancel culture? Please.
Arron Swartz. Arron Swartz
Now there is someone who truly had his life cancelled. That's the "cancel culture" we should be worried about. People like him get cancelled, for real, where was/is the outrage?
Multi-millionaires like JK Rowling getting criticized? Boo hoo. I think she will manage to carry on.
There was a time when it was well understood by everyone that when it comes to keeping your job or for celebrities and artists, public popularity, it is typically necessary to keep one's opinions to oneself, and it was a given to keep discussions of hot button topics like politics and religion out of the workplace and keep it private.
Then came Facebook, followed by twitter and similar social media, and at first we older folks shook our collective heads at the bizarre "oversharing" that started happening everywhere. And we laughed at the stupid people who got themselves fired for posting racist rants on their FB page. Duh!
Now everyone thinks they are entitled to let it all hang out, anywhere, anytime. And some are shocked and outraged to discover there are consequences to doing so, especially in a public venue. Unpopular opinions makes one unpopular! This is obvious, no? Just ask The Chicks (formerly Dixie Chicks) who got widely blacklisted way back in 2003 after Natalie Maines made a mildly critical personal comment about her opinion of Bush Jr.
I agree that "Cancel culture" is a catchy bit of modern propaganda that points at a typically human phenomena that has existed forever. Social pressures to conform to popular beliefs is nothing new.
In the meantime, the real cancel culture of taking out real activists like Arron Swartz goes on, and nobody notices.
Facebook
Ceterem censeo: Facebook delendum est! (And further I opine: Facebook must be destroyed!)
Many communities, families, churches, relationships, friendships, etc., are no more simply and solely because Facebook exists and does what it does in the ways in which it does it.
You explain the "how" better than I, however.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Hi Sean, it's good to see you back
I don't think I blame Facebook for existing or agree that it is solely responsible for the (to me inexplicable) way that people suddenly started feeling a need or desire to publish every detail of their lives and every thought that runs through their heads.
I had an aversion to it from the beginning. I knew it was a terrible idea to do that. I still don't actually have any clue how or why having a site like FB caused many (but certainly not all) people to start doing that. Many of us retained the self-control or common sense to avoid the mistakes made by the many persons and groups you speak of. They did make a choice to "publish" -- as in, make available to the public -- whatever it was that came back to bite them in some way.
I was around when the Internet was born, and we were told from the start: "NEVER put anything in an email or on the internet that you would not want to see in the morning newspaper." It was good advice. Somehow, that has gotten lost completely. Is that the fault of the platforms, or is this more of a result human nature in some way?
FB
I never really left. I'm just bedridden due to arthritis and can only use one hand to type. But it's always good to hear from you!!
I believe that the reason that so much havock has been wrought by Facebook (FB) is that FB combines high ease, cheap gossip capacity with "the Internet is forever". But I can't afford the loss of my few remaining social contacts just to make Mark Zuckerberg richer.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Good morning and condolensces.
I was completely unaware of this. I am very sorry to hear it. Take care of yourself.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Charges of anti-Semitism have been used to silence people
and get them banned and fired since practically forever, which most people accept without thinking — so one aspect “cancel-culture deniers” ::wink:: are right about is, it’s not that new a thing.
https://www.972mag.com/weaponization-antisemitism-cancel-culture/
https://www.972mag.com/achille-mbembe-germany-israel-antisemitism/
https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/music/indian-origin-sing...
Whether “cancel culture” is a recognizable phenomenon is a question on a different level, separate from whether one feels any personal sympathy for Ms. Rowling’s or Mr. Torvalds’ situation in particular. Those were just examples.
I agree about Aaron Swartz. And Snowden, Manning, Assange, Kiriakou, … That’s in no way a dichotomy. People can oppose both cancel culture and the bipartisan deep-state’s hounding of Aaron Swartz.
On the level of the larger cosmos, of course, what I most oppose is Americans’ generations-long attempt to cancel the Hawaiian people’s sovereignty, autonomy, cultural consciousness, and independence.
https://undividednation.us/podcasts/strangling-hands-upon-a-nations-thro...
sovereignty, autonomy, cultural consciousness, and independence
Brought to you by the same "people" (the American 0.1%) who had successfully cancelled the American 99%'s sovereignty, autonomy, cultural consciousness, and independence.
The American conquest of Hawaii and the Haymarket Uprising were semi-contemporary......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Good morning lot. This is where I'm coming from, in part
As have charges of heresy, political correctness, being a commie-red-pinko-fellow traveler, and oh so many more. Events, people getting shut down, are quite real, yes. But this is a tactic used to shut down and dismiss people, groups, ideas and the like immemorial. (And somewhat of a spin off of a certain classical fallacy). The phrase, however, is really self-referential. If one accuses somebody of applying, using or indulging in "cancel culture" their real goal and purpose is to get that person or their criticism(s) dismissed, ignored, and run out of town on a rail. It is simply a broader form ot the previous "Political correctness" accusation, another short hand for "what they say has no merit, dismiss and silence them". Because the events that occur are real, it is easy to see the "phenomenon" as a real thing, but it is really just a slogan used to cut-off debate.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning CS. It's also a slogan for dismissing and
dismissal, yes, a cancellation if one must, like Political correctness, or heresy. The phrase is really used to achieve the thing that it decries, which is a big part of how it works as propaganda and why I'm sure that is what it is. Since it is generally tossed abound by those who used to control the narrative, I's very suspicious that I know by whom and to what end.
be well and have a good one
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, el ~~
Only the rich and famous can be cancelled. That's what I'm reading, anyway. Those bozos are all up in the air about being cancelled. Welcome to the real world, jackasses. Then there are those who are woke! What a bunch of bullshit. Anything to distract the masses - QUICK! fall for it!
So glad I dropped out of the electorate. Harris and Biden - what a pair! What a joke! America is a joke. Unrest for the next five years. Join in.
Live in the present. Live in love. Be grateful for everything.
Enjoy the day -
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Good morning RA. In a very real sense you are quite right.
Those are the ones who have a goodly distance to fall I suddenly realized that this is a media creation in more than one wat, those doing the cancelling, back in the day, wrote letters to the editor, but are now empowered by myspace and facetweet and all that.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Sorry, but no
Tell that to the owner of a small press comic book publisher who was SWATted because he asked his authors not use blockchains. The amount of real life popularity gives you some immunity from cancellation, but only if your popularity is among people willing to defy the culture. Likewise the extent of your exposure to public notice is a factor in your vulnerability to cancellation. Keeping your head down is little defense however, as anything you say or do can be used as a cause to cancel you.
On to Biden since 1973
SWATted. Wow. Who knew?
So, now I know what SWATted means. I had to look it up.
People have lost their lives from this stunt. It's well beyond radical to do this to someone simply because you disagree with their views – or what you think are their views.
People found guilty of doing this should be facing felony charges.
morning el
et al
Good one, el. 1984 double speak. Step back from your amygdala. Lol. The ptb cancel much culture, black, red, brown, female, but have a hissy fit when called on it, and accuse others of canceling their cancel-culture. Down with statues of racists. Meh! Kancel Kancel-Kulture.
Take good care, all, and have a good one
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Good afternoon magi. Thanks for reading. This, first and
foremost:
Whatever it is and whatever the fuss is all about, "cancel culture", the phrase and concept, is a propaganda tool, and is probably not being wielded with an eye toward our benefit.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
So cancel culture is agents provocateurs
acting to discredit and intimidate us. I've considered that. It's almost certainly true, at least in a large part.
On to Biden since 1973
What happened to my little Tux Penguin? (edited)
I had one sitting on the top of my monitors at work for a long time. Some time ago I was in a Linux user group and tried to learn something (not much success though), what has happened to Linus Thorwald?
Sigh.
I agree:
May be it happens in my next life?
I feel so old. Before I heard about reddit, I used redhat. 1994 I think it was. I miss my Tux. Can't understand what anybody would have against Linus Thorwald.
https://www.euronews.com/live
A simple, one-sided explanation wouldn’t do justice to the event
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=linus+torvalds+code+of+conduct
Try to look at it from all sides and then judge for yaself, I allus say…
Here ya go mimi. Thanks for reading.
be well and have a good one.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
And another voice taking the opposite view:
https://quillette.com/2020/07/30/think-cancel-culture-doesnt-exist-my-ow...