@TheOtherMaven

I was leaning that way, but I wasn't sure. Just. One. Senator.

#2.1.2

so it wasn't on his watch.

pensions, health care and education? Last I looked there was no Stasi in Canada.

@The Voice In the Wilderness

#3.3.1

@CB by David Talbot also lays out the details of much of what you've linked here although you provide a few details that book did not - at least what I remember of it and that book requires close attention due to all the names, dates, connections, etc. But try telling people in this country just how much our owners not only admired and supported the actual Nazi war effort and fascism in general and you'll run up against a brick wall - that can't be! It cannot be the humanitarian decent God fearing US that supported, admired and recruited Nazis! It cannot be that the US itself is fascist without Trump at the head of it! It MUST be the fault of others, and really, why do you hate America? Sad, isn't it?

#3.3.3
How about glass houses and rocks?

Where do you think "der Führer" got the funds and expertise to rebuild the destitute and destroyed post WWI Germany and bring 70 million out of poverty with restored cultural pride?

Hitler could never have come to power without the tacit approval and financial/technical support of the wealthy American industrialists and bankers in the 1920's to 1940's. All done while the US government turned a blind eye. BTW, if you have ever read Mein Kampf you will find that Hitler held US manufacturing expertise in very high esteem and tried to emulate it to great success (with considerable assistance from US companies). He also wrote that one of the important reasons Germany lost WWI was because their propaganda was very crude and coarse. He proposed the Nazi party should employ the powerful techniques developed in America by Edward Bernays Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and Propaganda (1928) to make the German people proud of themselves and their country. Goebbels didn't invent propaganda, he just read Bernays' books at Hitler's request.

The following is a fascinating account of this collusion with Hitler and the Nazi party:

American supporters of the European Fascists

A number of prominent and wealthy American businessmen helped to support fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920s through the 1940s. These people helped to support Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War of 1936, as well as Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler.

Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric.

It should be noted that businessmen from many countries, including England and Australia, also worked with the fascist regimes of Europe prior to WWII. The fascist governments were involved in a high level of construction, production, and international business.

I.G. Farben, a German company, was the largest chemical manufacturing enterprise in the world during the early part of the 20th century. As such the company had many holdings in a variety of countries, including America. The American holdings of I.G. Farben included Bayer Co., General Aniline Works, Agfa Ansco, and Winthrop Chemical Company.

I.G. Farben was critical in the development of the German economy and war machine leading up to WWII. During this time I.G. Farben's international holdings along with its international business contracts with companies like Standard Oil, DuPont, Alcoa, and Dow Chemical were crucial in supplying the Nazi regime with the materials needed for war as well as financial support.

The CIA’s Worst-Kept Secret: Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis
...
“Honest and idealist … enjoys good food and wine … unprejudiced mind …”

That’s how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg’s SS unit performed “special duties,” a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other “undesirables” during the Second World War.
...
Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs. Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue’s gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence agencies shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies.
...
The decision to recruit Nazi operatives had a negative impact on U.S.-Soviet relations and set the stage for Washington’s tolerance of human rights abuses and other criminal acts in the name of anti-Communism. With that fateful sub-rosa embrace, the die was cast for a litany of antidemocratic CIA interventions around the world.

The Gehlen Org

The key figure on the German side of the CIA-Nazi tryst was General Reinhard Gehlen, who had served as Adolf Hitler’s top anti-Soviet spy. During World War II, Gehlen oversaw all German military-intelligence operations in Eastern Europe and the USSR.
...
Gehlen returned to West Germany in the summer of 1946 with a mandate to rebuild his espionage organization and resume spying on the East at the behest of American intelligence. The date is significant as it preceded the onset of the cold war, which, according to standard U.S. historical accounts, did not begin until a year later. The early courtship of Gehlen by American intelligence suggests that Washington was in a cold war mode sooner than most people realize. The Gehlen gambit also belies the prevalent Western notion that aggressive Soviet policies were primarily to blame for triggering the cold war.
...

Here's more:

Operation Paperclip and Operation Happiness

These operations were a concerted effort by the United States defense and espionage agencies to recruit former Nazi’s for scientific work and espionage in the United States and Europe immediately after the end of World War II. This was the beginning of the Cold War. Anyone who was anti-Communist was desirable, regardless of any past crimes to humanity.

Operation Paperclip was ostensibly for the recruitment of German Scientists, such as Werner Von Braun, for rocket research. It also allowed non-scientific personnel who may have been classified as war criminals to receive Visas.
Operation Happiness was a secret spy program to employ former Gestapo officers. They were provided with immunity, jobs and income to provide intelligence services to the United States against the Soviet Union. In addition, their families received immunity and other enticements.

These two operations allowed over 10,000 Nazis war criminals to seek refuge in the United States over a ten-year period. The FBI (under J. Edgar Hoover) and the CIA (under Director Allen Dulles) protected these people and prohibited deportation or the exposure of these Nazi’s. Since the number of Visas was limited, each of these Nazi’s who was allowed to enter the United States took the place of the very individuals they had persecuted in the Nazi concentration and death camps.
...

Operation GladioNATO/CIA “Stay-Behind” Secret Armies

Operation Gladio is undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.

The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio’s existence but tried to minimize its significance.

The main function of the Gladio-style groups, in the absence of Soviet invasion, seems to have been to discredit left-wing groups and politicians through the use of “the strategy of tension,” including false-flag terrorism. The strategy of tension is a concept for control and manipulation of public opinion through the use of fear, propaganda, agents provacateurs, terrorism, etc. The aim was to instill fear into the populace while framing communist and left-wing political opponents for terrorist atrocities.
...

@CB other poster go at it on Xi and China, except to note that the best evidence I've seen so far on this virus is that it originated in China and that the gov't there was slow to respond properly. Some reports I've seen state that attempts by a doctor or scientist to get the word out about the dangerous virus were met with the gov't arresting the doctor (who later died from exposure to the virus). I believe he was charged with inciting the public, or similar.

My view is the Chinese gov't went in CYA mode at the outset until they could figure things out, but realized they had a major health crisis on their hands that could be traced back to Chinese bio lab sources. My pure guess is that the virus was accidentally released from a bio lab in Wuhan that may also have been involved in bioweapon research. I don't know whether the lab was connected to the gov't.

Since that early too-slow-by-far start, when the virus could have been nipped in the bud with prompt action, the Chinese gov't has done far better at controlling the spread over there than of course stupid Trump has here. So, at best a mixed bag for Xi -- but oh, what might have been with a quick initial response.

As to your one cite above on the links to US businesses and major figures, I'm not familiar with any JPK association with Euro fascist gov'ts. Your cite goes to an old article which doesn't carry an author's name that I could see. Much nonsense has been written about JPK, mostly bc the family decided not to respond for many yrs (a decision they recently came to regret). I wouldn't put him in the same pro-Nazi league as Lindbergh or Henry Ford or any kind of pro-Nazi or pro-fascist league. He was a pro-FDR Democrat and capitalist too interested in keeping the US out of the looming Euro war, and interested too in his business and making money for his large family. He had great political ambitions for his sons, which would have come to naught in any fascist regime here, which he thought possible once the inevitable Nazi conquering of England occurred.

#3.3.3
How about glass houses and rocks?

Where do you think "der Führer" got the funds and expertise to rebuild the destitute and destroyed post WWI Germany and bring 70 million out of poverty with restored cultural pride?

Hitler could never have come to power without the tacit approval and financial/technical support of the wealthy American industrialists and bankers in the 1920's to 1940's. All done while the US government turned a blind eye. BTW, if you have ever read Mein Kampf you will find that Hitler held US manufacturing expertise in very high esteem and tried to emulate it to great success (with considerable assistance from US companies). He also wrote that one of the important reasons Germany lost WWI was because their propaganda was very crude and coarse. He proposed the Nazi party should employ the powerful techniques developed in America by Edward Bernays Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and Propaganda (1928) to make the German people proud of themselves and their country. Goebbels didn't invent propaganda, he just read Bernays' books at Hitler's request.

The following is a fascinating account of this collusion with Hitler and the Nazi party:

American supporters of the European Fascists

A number of prominent and wealthy American businessmen helped to support fascist regimes in Europe from the 1920s through the 1940s. These people helped to support Francisco Franco during the Spanish Civil War of 1936, as well as Benito Mussolini, and Adolph Hitler.

Some of the primary and more famous Americans and companies that were involved with the fascist regimes of Europe are: William Randolph Hearst, Joseph Kennedy (JFK's father), Charles Lindbergh, John Rockefeller, Andrew Mellon (head of Alcoa, banker, and Secretary of Treasury), DuPont, General Motors, Standard Oil (now Exxon), Ford, ITT, Allen Dulles (later head of the CIA), Prescott Bush, National City Bank, and General Electric.

It should be noted that businessmen from many countries, including England and Australia, also worked with the fascist regimes of Europe prior to WWII. The fascist governments were involved in a high level of construction, production, and international business.

I.G. Farben, a German company, was the largest chemical manufacturing enterprise in the world during the early part of the 20th century. As such the company had many holdings in a variety of countries, including America. The American holdings of I.G. Farben included Bayer Co., General Aniline Works, Agfa Ansco, and Winthrop Chemical Company.

I.G. Farben was critical in the development of the German economy and war machine leading up to WWII. During this time I.G. Farben's international holdings along with its international business contracts with companies like Standard Oil, DuPont, Alcoa, and Dow Chemical were crucial in supplying the Nazi regime with the materials needed for war as well as financial support.

The CIA’s Worst-Kept Secret: Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis
...
“Honest and idealist … enjoys good food and wine … unprejudiced mind …”

That’s how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg’s SS unit performed “special duties,” a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other “undesirables” during the Second World War.
...
Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late 1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs. Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue’s gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence agencies shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies.
...
The decision to recruit Nazi operatives had a negative impact on U.S.-Soviet relations and set the stage for Washington’s tolerance of human rights abuses and other criminal acts in the name of anti-Communism. With that fateful sub-rosa embrace, the die was cast for a litany of antidemocratic CIA interventions around the world.

The Gehlen Org

The key figure on the German side of the CIA-Nazi tryst was General Reinhard Gehlen, who had served as Adolf Hitler’s top anti-Soviet spy. During World War II, Gehlen oversaw all German military-intelligence operations in Eastern Europe and the USSR.
...
Gehlen returned to West Germany in the summer of 1946 with a mandate to rebuild his espionage organization and resume spying on the East at the behest of American intelligence. The date is significant as it preceded the onset of the cold war, which, according to standard U.S. historical accounts, did not begin until a year later. The early courtship of Gehlen by American intelligence suggests that Washington was in a cold war mode sooner than most people realize. The Gehlen gambit also belies the prevalent Western notion that aggressive Soviet policies were primarily to blame for triggering the cold war.
...

Here's more:

Operation Paperclip and Operation Happiness

These operations were a concerted effort by the United States defense and espionage agencies to recruit former Nazi’s for scientific work and espionage in the United States and Europe immediately after the end of World War II. This was the beginning of the Cold War. Anyone who was anti-Communist was desirable, regardless of any past crimes to humanity.

Operation Paperclip was ostensibly for the recruitment of German Scientists, such as Werner Von Braun, for rocket research. It also allowed non-scientific personnel who may have been classified as war criminals to receive Visas.
Operation Happiness was a secret spy program to employ former Gestapo officers. They were provided with immunity, jobs and income to provide intelligence services to the United States against the Soviet Union. In addition, their families received immunity and other enticements.

These two operations allowed over 10,000 Nazis war criminals to seek refuge in the United States over a ten-year period. The FBI (under J. Edgar Hoover) and the CIA (under Director Allen Dulles) protected these people and prohibited deportation or the exposure of these Nazi’s. Since the number of Visas was limited, each of these Nazi’s who was allowed to enter the United States took the place of the very individuals they had persecuted in the Nazi concentration and death camps.
...

Operation GladioNATO/CIA “Stay-Behind” Secret Armies

Operation Gladio is undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.

The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio’s existence but tried to minimize its significance.

The main function of the Gladio-style groups, in the absence of Soviet invasion, seems to have been to discredit left-wing groups and politicians through the use of “the strategy of tension,” including false-flag terrorism. The strategy of tension is a concept for control and manipulation of public opinion through the use of fear, propaganda, agents provacateurs, terrorism, etc. The aim was to instill fear into the populace while framing communist and left-wing political opponents for terrorist atrocities.
...

@snoopydawg Not harsh - perceptive.

This is a little harsh don't you think? I don't see anyone doing anything close to this. Maybe you might want to question why you believe what you do and see if it's because who is telling you about China.

Bay Area Lefty is just paying attention as far as I can tell. There are a few people posting whose essays might as well be titled:

"How I Learned to Love Authoritarianism and President Xi and Stopped Worrying About Concentration Camps, Mass Murder, Environmental Devastation, Social Credit Scores, Repression of Ethnic Minorities and Religion, Organ Harvesting, Total Surveillance, Soft Imperialism..."

Etc.

Just because the crumbling American Empire has huge issues doesn't mean the CCP and those who would happily impose the above sort of thing on US deserve a pass.

And just because our own warmonger types are trying to gin up conflict doesn't mean the Chinese leadership don't have their own agenda to pull something similar.

#8.2.1

This is a little harsh don't you think? I don't see anyone doing anything close to this. Maybe you might want to question why you believe what you do and see if it's because who is telling you about China.

Every time this country decides it's going to war it starts off with a massive propaganda campaign against them first so people will get on board with it. Nukes and mushrooms clouds ringing any bells?

There is a coming war on China. The "tip of the spear" is Australia. A relentless McCarthyite propaganda campaign, evoking Australia's racist anti-China history, appears in the Sydney Morning Herald. Dissent is heresy, such as this disclosure ...https://t.co/DHF07SdWRB

— John Pilger (@johnpilger) April 27, 2020