for voting for Clinton. If they're engaged in some sort of insidious "propaganda techniques" over there at the Daily Clinton, they've certainly chosen some rather inadequate raw material.

I don't really know enough about psyops, etc. to say whether there's a deliberate black ops program going on at TOS. But it always did make me wonder whether TOS owner had ulterior motivations when I learned he had been at CIA. Hard not to have even greater suspicions with his transition from gate crasher to gate guard.

Honestly the whole DNC/HRC campaign against Bernie feels like one giant psyops program with the willing participation of the media. The most glaring example is the meme regarding March 15th as the date when Bernie should realize it's over and his supporters unite behind Hillary. That didn't originate at TOS. It originated with DNC/HRC and the media. But it was quite the revelation to see TOS owner join in on the attempted manipulation, which was clearly intended to dampen enthusiasm and suppress turnout heading into Bernie's best states.

Whether it's psyops or not, the obvious lesson here is TOS is really about protecting the Democratic Party establishment and not at all about progressive reform, regardless of what TOS owner may claim. It used to be subtly obvious. Now it's glaringly obvious. Hopefully obvious enough now that even newbies can see through it.

aspect of the deep state rather well. It has deep tentacles into every MSM node and then it works hard to gain access into any potentially subversive progress against the status quo. It takes very little to see Moulitsas simply continuing his TOP work as an extension of the deep state. TOP would be just another collective venue to keep an eye on the proggies and monitor any significant - meaning "actual" - progressive planning and activities.

What if TOP was created as a listening-in post for the operatives of the deep state? How'd that make folks feel? Used comes to mind.

Drip, drip, drip.....

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Unfortunately the Internet lends itself to this sort of thing. Even before, people had an unfortunate tendency to believe things just because they saw them in print, and it has carried over. People need to learn to be better critical thinkers. It is, in a way, a failure of education.

the rest of sanity that I may had left in my mind. (Just saying that the visuals of that video are not necessary, the words of Markos do "fine" all be themselves.

Over the weekend I tried to go through old comments of mine over at TOS. Let me just say beforehand, I do NOT accept the fact that people, who are banned (deliberately banned themselves like me, or those who have been banned because of "inappropriate diaries or comments" by the owner's police force) can't delete their comments and diaries. If I had the means and knowledge I would sue all corporations like twitter, facebook and other blogs for making it impossible to get their own content erased and accounts closed.

That being said, I have little memory of what I was involved with when I started commenting on TOS. It was April 2004. It was war and Keith Olbermann the only news talking head I respected back then. I needed some "truth speakers" and it seemed that dailykos could deliver some. But I knew from very early on that I had not much respect for Markos' political writing.

By 2006 I wondered about the whole set-up. You may not be able to imagine my amazement when I learned that Meteor Blades, who is one of the founding fathers of FP writers from 2003 on, never met Markos in person til 2009. I found that very irritating and couldn't quite grasp that people can work for other people, who they have never met. This comment exchange was in 2006.

DeadHead May 03 · 06:05:43 PM
We met in the virtual world in 2002. n/t
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mimi Meteor Blades May 04 · 12:44:20 AM
so you worked for seven years for dailykos
without ever having met Markos? How often did you communicate with him via telephone? When did you first meet the other frontpage writers? How about Adam B, Armando and all the other nice people there?

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Meteor Blades mimi May 04 · 03:05:20 AM
I met everyone in in meatspace for the...
...first time in 2009.

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I wonder what Meteor Blades would have thought about Markos CIA speech or if he had knowledge about it.

Anyhow, I had my instinct feelings early on. Here a couple of comments I made between 2004 to 2006. Nothing much has changed. Irritatingly so.
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Here is an emotional comment I made already in 2004. I haven't changed my mind about it.

mimi Nov 13 · 10:43:11 PM (2004)
Comment from an Ex-German in Washington well, it's actually not that far fetched for some US immigrants to believe that you first need to get killed before you can actually honorably become an American citizen.
I have never written that in public, but your diary triggered a nerve and I just don't want to swallow this down anymore.

The most emotionally hurting and in my opinion deeply disrespecting thing Bush did, was to go to Walter Reed hospital and have a photo-op with young wounded immigrant (mostly from Latin American) soldiers, of whom Bush knows quite well that they enlisted only to get their citizenship a little bit earlier than usual and to make a buck to put some food into their mouth.

Bush posed beside those wounded without limbs and listened with sorrow-burdened face to the soldiers who, to his great satisfaction, just couldn't help but admit how "happy they would be to go back to Iraq and fight for America's freedom and security" - any time again - if they just would be given the possibility to do so.

This is, IMO an unforgivable emotional exploitation of those young soldier's situations and for President Bush to broadcast those scenes and use it as propaganda tool has caused nothing but deep resentments in me against him. You just don't do such thing, Mr. President, it's more than just a cheap shot. Period.

I mean, we all know, how thrilling it is to get rewarded with the US citizenship, after one has proven one is worthy of this country's great legacy by going to war and sacrifice your life and legs for it.

It's a thrill I have a real problems with. We have seen in the past exploitation of youngsters and teenagers at the end of WWII and there is a lot of propaganda in the US media, which just reminds me of too often of things happened in the past.

Some (very few Americans) actually understand how young men in 1944-45 were emotionally manipulated to adore the "Fuehrer" and his cause, how they have been made to feel "happy to die for the Fuehrer" before they were sent into suicide missions at the end of the war.

Osama is preparing his fighters mentally to be willing martyrs for the greater Jihad or whatever, young Americans are mentally prepared to be willing to die for the cause of "freedom" of other people, who (sadly and tragically enough) actually don't want to get their own freedoms be defined and taken care of by American soldiers.

Well, sorry, I am just deeply disappointed.

I sometimes just wished all those Scarboroughs and other similar types in this media-driven nation, would have lived through WWI and WWII on the European side. I would help them to get rid of their brand-marked idea of being the White Knight Freedom and Democracy Defenders of the world for the next millenia or so. Some people in the media have deep shit on their hands and it will take a while til they will be able to wash it off.

Broadcasting on cable network news how "happy" Bush is to reward these soldiers with the US citizenship" is "yucky-yack manipulation".

Would it be possible to think that some people are not proud anymore to fight in the US Armed Forces under the current commander in chief and Secretary of Defense? How about getting rid at least of the latter?

I just wonder about what the Americans are so proud of? About being so intelligent to not understand Intelligence reports or just disregard them because they don't fit into their ideological make up? About the way the power hungry go about their heart's and mind's God given mission to liberate the world from evil and terror? About their deficits, their unproductivity, their messy bureaucracy, exactly about what? How about having tens of thousands millions depressed people, drugged people, religious fanatics, insecure kids?

I am not bashing the millions of Americans, whom I respect so much, because they cope so well to live in their difficult country.

I just don't get it. They really seem to think that you can't be free and happy anywhere else than in America? Victims of their own propaganda. What a sad thing to watch.

Sorry, this diary somehow touched some nerves. You have no idea how much I resent US propaganda these days. As if the world wouldn't have enough people, who abuse their freedom fighting missions to the extent to kill a lot of innocents and take a lot of freedoms away of those, who survive their "insurgencies" into civilian's livelihoods.

The writer is right about a lot of things, especially that it will become harder and harder to cross the Atlantic in good will and reunite.

Quite frankly to a couple of Europeans some Americans look quite emotionally disturbed. In the end I would say there is resentment from those in Europe, who don't know how much hardship middle class Americans go through to make a living and raise their families. Those who know, feel more of a sad sympathy, a kind of sympathy you would have toward someone, who was hit with some unusual hardship and has gone almost mad over it.

I wonder if I regret later on to have made this comment. Don't be offended, it's just an attempt to be honest about what some European by-standers feel these days about the US in comparison to Europe - and their forthcoming relations. Basically it's deeply saddening.

At that time I had my son still in the Air Force, he was stationed at that time in Korea. And he had gotten his citizenship by the end of 2003. And we learned he had lost his German citizenship by accepting the American one, due to a change of laws in Germany we didn't know about.

Oh, and there is another comment I found and chuckled over. From 2005 - Strange how your first instincts are mostly right to the point, no?
I had already the feeling about HRC's hawkishness in foreign policies apparently and didn't trust her for that reason, but I think I was kind in my wording ...

mimi Jan 18 · 12:41:23 AM (2005)
I am unmoved emotionally by Hillary Clinton but if she would win the primaries and run I wouldn't work against her and support her.
I don't trust she could handle foreign policies in a way I would like the next candidate to be able to, so I wouldn't support her in the primaries.

I would support Kerry again for I trust he can communicate well with other nations. Dean would be great for DNC. That's a place where one has to speak up and show spine and convince to get the democratic ducks in line. I think he could do that.

And I guess the divisions I felt between the identity activists on dailykos with regards of "color" got me somehow a bit upset too, early on. And obviously nobody liked me saying that. But I still think that way.

mimi Mar 27 · 06:07:29 PM (2005)
white woman reading blog of color ... ? who'd thought that? Did I even want to know?

Nah, no, really, what was that for? You see, the only split I can see is between:
outrageously good writers
outrageously knowledgable writers
outrageously thoughtful writers
outrageously ranting writers
outrageously naive people who should never write (ring, ring, knock, knock .. )
outrageously nice people writing very nice thingies
outrageously unhappy people needing to write about sad things
outrageously good doing do-gooder writer

And all the colors, if you spin them just fast enough, end up grey. So pseudo-scientifically spoken this article seems to be located in a grey zone.

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Ok, whatever, I think I am pretty much at the end of the tunnel and don't see much light. I just regret to have become so dependent on reading comments and diaries on dailykos. It just didn't help much. I wonder when I am ready to kick the habit altogether.

Great essay. Thanks

Hillary trols, AMA trolls., Vaccine trolls..... They may even all be the same person.

I am not a fan of his and can't stand his authoritarian following of Dem party. But I am going to play the Devil's advocate here : People evolve/change all the time. IIRC, Glenn Greenwald wrote an anti-immigrant screed way back ~2006 or so. I have seen people digging that out & attack him at Koslandia. Greenwald himself addressed it later. Without denying KOS' support for liberal warmongering, could it be that he changed his views about CIA lately? I knew/know people who in their idealist(naive too) days, think they can move into a corrupt institution and "make a difference", only to realise later they had been wrong (and of course, some change themselves to "fit in"). And lots of people compromise and take up jobs in the corporate sector, for example, hoping they can put their earning to better use. And I am not denying the possibility that he still thinks the same and maybe playing sheep dog/propaganda arm. Just my 2 cents.

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