@Le Frog
however, the delegate count may go to Bootleg; bootleg's strength appears to be in doing better across all ages. Having said that, some very populated precincts are yet to report which may be advantage Bernie and he takes it all. Certainly bootleg did well in the alignment, way better than Warren. Biden loses.
There's a big guess from my reading and listening to pundits.
Is there any hope here that Bernie wins Iowa? Am I grasping at straws?
Based on the 60% of the count chosen (by whom?) to be released, Butt is ahead in "delegate equivalents" which is based on what? There are a lot more delegate equivalents assigned in the report than the actual 41 pledged delegates.
Notice, too, that although Biden recieved less than 15% of the initial and final alignments, he still got more than 15% of the "delegate equivalents."
#1
however, the delegate count may go to Bootleg; bootleg's strength appears to be in doing better across all ages. Having said that, some very populated precincts are yet to report which may be advantage Bernie and he takes it all. Certainly bootleg did well in the alignment, way better than Warren. Biden loses.
There's a big guess from my reading and listening to pundits.
Based on the 60% of the count chosen (by whom?) to be released, Butt is ahead in "delegate equivalents" which is based on what? There are a lot more delegate equivalents assigned in the report than the actual 41 pledged delegates.
Notice, too, that although Biden recieved less than 15% of the initial and final alignments, he still got more than 15% of the "delegate equivalents."
Based on the 60% of the count chosen (by whom?) to be released, Butt is ahead in "delegate equivalents" which is based on what? There are a lot more delegate equivalents assigned in the report than the actual 41 pledged delegates.
Notice, too, that although Biden recieved less than 15% of the initial and final alignments, he still got more than 15% of the "delegate equivalents."
@smiley7
I am so ready to sharpen my pitchfork and fire up my torch and chuck them both at the Herpes of Politics, Faillary Clinton. Everywhere we turn, another rotting Clinton infestation is lurking, and if not her, then her army of scumbag minions and adjacents.
#1
however, the delegate count may go to Bootleg; bootleg's strength appears to be in doing better across all ages. Having said that, some very populated precincts are yet to report which may be advantage Bernie and he takes it all. Certainly bootleg did well in the alignment, way better than Warren. Biden loses.
There's a big guess from my reading and listening to pundits.
@Le Frog
At risk of sounding like a fanperson, I've said this before: you're hilarious.
You need your own YouTube channel or something!
#1.1 I am so ready to sharpen my pitchfork and fire up my torch and chuck them both at the Herpes of Politics, Faillary Clinton. Everywhere we turn, another rotting Clinton infestation is lurking, and if not her, then her army of scumbag minions and adjacents.
@WaterLily
I know my brand of caustic vulgarity is mean-spirited, and certainly not for everyone, but it is reserved for very few people, and Clinton just happens to inspire about 50% of it. If she opens her trap one more time, I'm going to write a huge essay on allllllllll the things I despise about her.
#1.1.2 At risk of sounding like a fanperson, I've said this before: you're hilarious.
#1.1.2.1 I know my brand of caustic vulgarity is mean-spirited, and certainly not for everyone, but it is reserved for very few people, and Clinton just happens to inspire about 50% of it. If she opens her trap one more time, I'm going to write a huge essay on allllllllll the things I despise about her.
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@Le Frog
I had to cut it short at around 500 pages.
#1.1.2.1 I know my brand of caustic vulgarity is mean-spirited, and certainly not for everyone, but it is reserved for very few people, and Clinton just happens to inspire about 50% of it. If she opens her trap one more time, I'm going to write a huge essay on allllllllll the things I despise about her.
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#MayorCheat actually won they would not need so much time to massage the numbers. Even if they can't fudge a complete loss for Bernie they will shave delegates from his totals.
#1
however, the delegate count may go to Bootleg; bootleg's strength appears to be in doing better across all ages. Having said that, some very populated precincts are yet to report which may be advantage Bernie and he takes it all. Certainly bootleg did well in the alignment, way better than Warren. Biden loses.
There's a big guess from my reading and listening to pundits.
@entrepreneur
fuck Pete Buttigieg and his smug entitlement. Can't wait for the shellacking he gets in South Carolina.
#MayorCheat actually won they would not need so much time to massage the numbers. Even if they can't fudge a complete loss for Bernie they will shave delegates from his totals.
#MayorCheat actually won they would not need so much time to massage the numbers. Even if they can't fudge a complete loss for Bernie they will shave delegates from his totals.
@Le Frog
Hope, sure. Unless you think this is blatant election fraud, then of course not.
There's enough of the vote left to have Sanders and Buttigieg swap places, or not. There might be enough to drive Biden down to fifth place (which would warm my heart), or not.
We could also be seeing a news cycle scheme wherein Buttigieg claims victory with zero percent reporting, the state Party releasing data showing him winning with 62% reporting, then the actual number with Sanders having won buried in the State of the Union coverage. No outright fraud, but almost as good with most voters walk away thinking the wrong guy won. Most likely Sanders and Buttigieg getting almost the same number of national delegates. As I mentioned this morning, without a bigger turnout Sanders will have trouble getting a clear victory. That much doesn't seem to be fraud.
Is there any hope here that Bernie wins Iowa? Am I grasping at straws?
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Hope, sure. Unless you think this is blatant election fraud, then of course not.
There's enough of the vote left to have Sanders and Buttigieg swap places, or not. There might be enough to drive Biden down to fifth place (which would warm my heart), or not.
We could also be seeing a news cycle scheme wherein Buttigieg claims victory with zero percent reporting, the state Party releasing data showing him winning with 62% reporting, then the actual number with Sanders having won buried in the State of the Union coverage. No outright fraud, but almost as good with most voters walk away thinking the wrong guy won. Most likely Sanders and Buttigieg getting almost the same number of national delegates. As I mentioned this morning, without a bigger turnout Sanders will have trouble getting a clear victory. That much doesn't seem to be fraud.
This guy was certainly paying attention, wasn't he? How could any cursory review of the candidates possibly muss the thousands of references to "gay mayor"?
Is this the same guy who said, "I didn't know that Obama was black!"
"Bernie's a Socialist! Oh no!"
"Warren is a woman? I didn't know that!"
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness
I need to sit in a dark room and smoke and entire pack of cigarettes before I can delve in further. Would have been nice though if she learned about the husband, I don't know, yesterday.
This guy was certainly paying attention, wasn't he? How could any cursory review of the candidates possibly muss the thousands of references to "gay mayor"?
Is this the same guy who said, "I didn't know that Obama was black!"
"Bernie's a Socialist! Oh no!"
"Warren is a woman? I didn't know that!"
It could have been Warren who got the most "state designated delegates." She would have gotten all the ballyhoo instead of Petey. What other states is Butt going to win? Not New Hampshire. Not South Carolina. He doesn't look good for Nevada. How's he gonna fare on Super Tuesday? So much for that bump. And Butt helped bring Biden down. And really, he took votes away from Warren too.
#4 I need to sit in a dark room and smoke and entire pack of cigarettes before I can delve in further. Would have been nice though if she learned about the husband, I don't know, yesterday.
@Wally
So much unaccountable funding was poured into the Iowa voting process that in the light of the now well-publicized untrustworthy result some new scheme will need to be cooked up fast to mess up the New Hampshire results. And if something similar happens there it will become very obvious to people who the most respected and preferred candidate is.
This clearly prearranged and paid-for Iowa situation (assuming Mayo Pete comes out ahead) will now introduce extensive coattails of its own. And many sets of clear fingerprints.
It could have been Warren who got the most "state designated delegates." She would have gotten all the ballyhoo instead of Petey. What other states is Butt going to win? Not New Hampshire. Not South Carolina. He doesn't look good for Nevada. How's he gonna fare on Super Tuesday? So much for that bump. And Butt helped bring Biden down. And really, he took votes away from Warren too.
@Wally
That was in a comment on today's (Feb 05) front page.
It makes lots of sense to me. In exchanging for his participation in the "Stop Sanders" movement, he "gets" lots of votes in Iowa, a state much like Indiana, money to roll over to his Gov campaign, and maybe a promise of support (cheating) from the DNC.
I'm not even sure how many Indianans knew of him before this. Now he is a national figure.
It could have been Warren who got the most "state designated delegates." She would have gotten all the ballyhoo instead of Petey. What other states is Butt going to win? Not New Hampshire. Not South Carolina. He doesn't look good for Nevada. How's he gonna fare on Super Tuesday? So much for that bump. And Butt helped bring Biden down. And really, he took votes away from Warren too.
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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
because we're paying attention and will go looking for the information.
I think Bernie will end up taking more delegates in Iowa.
The corporate media will bury the story. They really, really do not want to say it. I recall during the 2016 primary, when Bernie won Michigan, MSM couldn't bring themselves to call the election for him until 90%+ precincts had reported.
Scene: January 20, 2021, on the steps of the US Capitol. Jane Sanders is standing next to Bernie as he takes the oath of office and becomes the 46th POTUS.
The live reports from the various corporate news media:
"Nice weather we're having today, isn't it?"
"We'll return to our regularly scheduled programming shortly. This is just a temporary delay."
"Let's turn to our experts in the studio to see what we can expect in the 2028 presidential race."
"Here's our correspondent in Baltimore with a sweet story about a shelter dog that got adopted after 5 years!"
"Where's the pizza delivery guy? I called and placed our order 2 hour ago. I wonder why it's taking so long to get here."
"Hey, who do you like for the Superbowl next week?"
Edit: typo
especially the 'old man at the card table' part.
Does anyone know if we will be allowed knowledge of the other 38% of the vote, or are we meant to assume that 62% = 100% = Victory for McKinsey Man?
What a 4th World system!!?!!
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because we're paying attention and will go looking for the information.
I think Bernie will end up taking more delegates in Iowa.
The corporate media will bury the story. They really, really do not want to say it. I recall during the 2016 primary, when Bernie won Michigan, MSM couldn't bring themselves to call the election for him until 90%+ precincts had reported.
Scene: January 20, 2021, on the steps of the US Capitol. Jane Sanders is standing next to Bernie as he takes the oath of office and becomes the 46th POTUS.
The live reports from the various corporate news media:
"Nice weather we're having today, isn't it?"
"We'll return to our regularly scheduled programming shortly. This is just a temporary delay."
"Let's turn to our experts in the studio to see what we can expect in the 2028 presidential race."
"Here's our correspondent in Baltimore with a sweet story about a shelter dog that got adopted after 5 years!"
"Where's the pizza delivery guy? I called and placed our order 2 hour ago. I wonder why it's taking so long to get here."
"Hey, who do you like for the Superbowl next week?"
Edit: typo
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Seems to me the Register had Buttigieg dropping ten points in a poll around January 10. I would like to see the progression of his numbers going into the caucus. And I would really like to see the poll that Buttigieg blocked on Sunday.
Pete didn't seem to have nearly the numbers a few weeks ago that he has now. This win seems to have come out of nowhere.
Seems to me the Register had Buttigieg dropping ten points in a poll around January 10. I would like to see the progression of his numbers going into the caucus. And I would really like to see the poll that Buttigieg blocked on Sunday.
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Can anyone weigh in on the currently released results?
Is there any hope here that Bernie wins Iowa? Am I grasping at straws?
Well, 62% reporting, Bernie may win the popular vote,
however, the delegate count may go to Bootleg; bootleg's strength appears to be in doing better across all ages. Having said that, some very populated precincts are yet to report which may be advantage Bernie and he takes it all. Certainly bootleg did well in the alignment, way better than Warren. Biden loses.
There's a big guess from my reading and listening to pundits.
What are "Delegate Equivalents"???
Based on the 60% of the count chosen (by whom?) to be released, Butt is ahead in "delegate equivalents" which is based on what? There are a lot more delegate equivalents assigned in the report than the actual 41 pledged delegates.
Notice, too, that although Biden recieved less than 15% of the initial and final alignments, he still got more than 15% of the "delegate equivalents."
https://features.desmoinesregister.com/news/politics/iowa-caucuses-resul...
Are "delegate equivalents" like provisional ballots?
Or is it just a fancy way of saying "Butt will win because we say so."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Any explanation of why only 62% of count was released?
Seems like MSM is just running with Butt wins. No questions asked, no explanations given.
Exactly to give Mayo Cheat the win
and the momentum. If Bernie ends up with the win - oops!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Hold the Mayo.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
delegate equivalents from your link: the Register
is predicting the number of delegate allotted by results of second vote (re-alignment)
The percent reported is from data the Iowa Dem. party for the whole state supplied thus far.
Still a good possibility that Bernie wins both popular votes and delegates if 'karnacki' is reading this right...
It's "state delegate equivalents"
It seems, from what I've read at Way of the Bern, that Bernie and Butt are actually tied at 10 pledged delegates apiece.
This article explains the state delgate equivalents:
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/02/04/based-62-iowa-caucus-result...
Is that like
estimated body counts?
I hope the few precincts left can pull it off for Bernie
I am so ready to sharpen my pitchfork and fire up my torch and chuck them both at the Herpes of Politics, Faillary Clinton. Everywhere we turn, another rotting Clinton infestation is lurking, and if not her, then her army of scumbag minions and adjacents.
Listen ...
At risk of sounding like a fanperson, I've said this before: you're hilarious.
You need your own YouTube channel or something!
Hahahahaha it's always a pleasure to find fans!
I know my brand of caustic vulgarity is mean-spirited, and certainly not for everyone, but it is reserved for very few people, and Clinton just happens to inspire about 50% of it. If she opens her trap one more time, I'm going to write a huge essay on allllllllll the things I despise about her.
@Le Frog That's one hell
That's one hell of a time commitment.
You mean a novel, not an Essay.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
It's already written in my heart!
n/t
I made a list of what I despise about HER
I had to cut it short at around 500 pages.
I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.
I believe the chaos was planned because Bernie won. If
#MayorCheat actually won they would not need so much time to massage the numbers. Even if they can't fudge a complete loss for Bernie they will shave delegates from his totals.
I hope this is the outcome
fuck Pete Buttigieg and his smug entitlement. Can't wait for the shellacking he gets in South Carolina.
#MayorCheat
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Any hope?
Hope, sure. Unless you think this is blatant election fraud, then of course not.
There's enough of the vote left to have Sanders and Buttigieg swap places, or not. There might be enough to drive Biden down to fifth place (which would warm my heart), or not.
We could also be seeing a news cycle scheme wherein Buttigieg claims victory with zero percent reporting, the state Party releasing data showing him winning with 62% reporting, then the actual number with Sanders having won buried in the State of the Union coverage. No outright fraud, but almost as good with most voters walk away thinking the wrong guy won. Most likely Sanders and Buttigieg getting almost the same number of national delegates. As I mentioned this morning, without a bigger turnout Sanders will have trouble getting a clear victory. That much doesn't seem to be fraud.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Yes.
Ignore those photographs of coffins. And arrest the photographer.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
He seems drunk..
Sloppy like a drunk.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I like that take
mine was that he is so enraged that he can't think straight, like a toddler having a meltdown from low blood sugar or fatigue.
Certainly
a combination of both.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
@Raggedy Ann I was waiting for him
I was waiting for him to start screaming about kids and his lawn....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
What a dope.
Hard to believe he has an audience.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
"Pissed."
Yep!
Watched it last night.
The impressions were spot on.
lol!
It was a good show but kept cutting out on me for some reason
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Alphalop!
It's great to "see" you, brother!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Thanks! you as well!
Thanks! you as well!
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Voters are dumb as rocks.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/481406-buttigieg-supporter-asks-to...
This guy was certainly paying attention, wasn't he? How could any cursory review of the candidates possibly muss the thousands of references to "gay mayor"?
Is this the same guy who said, "I didn't know that Obama was black!"
"Bernie's a Socialist! Oh no!"
"Warren is a woman? I didn't know that!"
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Oh my good God, who the fuck are these people
I need to sit in a dark room and smoke and entire pack of cigarettes before I can delve in further. Would have been nice though if she learned about the husband, I don't know, yesterday.
Look on the Sunny Side
It could have been Warren who got the most "state designated delegates." She would have gotten all the ballyhoo instead of Petey. What other states is Butt going to win? Not New Hampshire. Not South Carolina. He doesn't look good for Nevada. How's he gonna fare on Super Tuesday? So much for that bump. And Butt helped bring Biden down. And really, he took votes away from Warren too.
I was hoping someone would say that.
So much unaccountable funding was poured into the Iowa voting process that in the light of the now well-publicized untrustworthy result some new scheme will need to be cooked up fast to mess up the New Hampshire results. And if something similar happens there it will become very obvious to people who the most respected and preferred candidate is.
This clearly prearranged and paid-for Iowa situation (assuming Mayo Pete comes out ahead) will now introduce extensive coattails of its own. And many sets of clear fingerprints.
Mayo Cheat running for IN gov
That was in a comment on today's (Feb 05) front page.
It makes lots of sense to me. In exchanging for his participation in the "Stop Sanders" movement, he "gets" lots of votes in Iowa, a state much like Indiana, money to roll over to his Gov campaign, and maybe a promise of support (cheating) from the DNC.
I'm not even sure how many Indianans knew of him before this. Now he is a national figure.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Laughed out loud watching that
especially the 'old man at the card table' part.
Does anyone know if we will be allowed knowledge of the other 38% of the vote, or are we meant to assume that 62% = 100% = Victory for McKinsey Man?
What a 4th World system!!?!!
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
We will find out
because we're paying attention and will go looking for the information.
I think Bernie will end up taking more delegates in Iowa.
The corporate media will bury the story. They really, really do not want to say it. I recall during the 2016 primary, when Bernie won Michigan, MSM couldn't bring themselves to call the election for him until 90%+ precincts had reported.
Scene: January 20, 2021, on the steps of the US Capitol. Jane Sanders is standing next to Bernie as he takes the oath of office and becomes the 46th POTUS.
The live reports from the various corporate news media:
"Nice weather we're having today, isn't it?"
"We'll return to our regularly scheduled programming shortly. This is just a temporary delay."
"Let's turn to our experts in the studio to see what we can expect in the 2028 presidential race."
"Here's our correspondent in Baltimore with a sweet story about a shelter dog that got adopted after 5 years!"
"Where's the pizza delivery guy? I called and placed our order 2 hour ago. I wonder why it's taking so long to get here."
"Hey, who do you like for the Superbowl next week?"
Edit: typo
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Indeed. Bernie could walk on water to save a drowning child....
And the MSM coverage would be, "This just in Wolf, We got proof Sanders can't swim!"
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Anyone have a link to past polls in Iowa?
Seems to me the Register had Buttigieg dropping ten points in a poll around January 10. I would like to see the progression of his numbers going into the caucus. And I would really like to see the poll that Buttigieg blocked on Sunday.
Good question
Pete didn't seem to have nearly the numbers a few weeks ago that he has now. This win seems to have come out of nowhere.
The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.
~Hannah Arendt
Well, now we know why they withheld the results
of that last poll....
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver