So.... about last night
The Democratic Party is a joke. Of course this isn't news to anyone around here, but after.... whatever the hell that was last night, it's apparent to pretty much everybody.
The DMR/Selzer poll fiasco the other day left the most trusted pollster in the country and CNN with egg on their face. But last night left every network in the country scrambling to make sense (and fill time) of the biggest clusterfuck in modern political history.
This will likely be the end of the Iowa caucus, and probably the entire caucus system. And it was a 100% self inflicted humiliation.
How on Earth did they think that creating an app to "streamline" the process would be anything other than a giant security risk with the potential (fully realized!) to blow up spectacularly in their face?
But this is the face of the modern Democratic Party. Always wanting to appear smarter than they are. Creating solutions for problems that don't exist, and creating countless new ones in the process.
Will anyone even believe the results when they are released? Will anyone even care? Whatever momentum any candidate could have built off of the caucus is gone. Was it intentional? Simple incompetence? It doesn't even matter. Conspiracy theories will flourish, trust is lost, potentially forever.
The biggest winner of the night was undoubtedly Donald Trump and the Republican Party who spent the entire evening mocking the event.
I don't even know how to close this diary, because there is no lesson to be learned here besides the obvious. The Democratic Party leaders are incompetent buffoons. That's it.
Comments
no, yes
just saying...
https://www.euronews.com/live
Well duh!
....
If you don't say anything into the phone they will hang up on you. Is phone conversation 101 rocket science these days?
You're welcome to use this for your essay ending..
One of the DCOTN:
DCOTN: dumbest comment of the night.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Wow!
So Putin forced the Iowa and Nevada state Dem parties and the Buttigieg campaign to create that app? Amazing. Does that guy's powers have no limit?
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Nope
Vlad is all powerful and he is busy trying to destroy the country... and., you just have to check them out cuz this wasn't the only comment that blamed tonight on Russia.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Well, now we know
what Buttigieg is good for.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Well, if you have a Country covering 11 Time Zones
a leader has a lot of extra time on his hands to meddle with the minutia of a Primary election, across the world, in the well renowned State of Iowa in the United States.
(is a snark tag necessary?)
Soooooo
The CNN reporter prevented that exchange from occurring.
RIP
I found the quote:
RIP
I attribute it
to either the DNC's malicious stupidity or their stupid malice.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
After having lived through two George W. Bush
"administrations," I have to say that that quotation seems false on its face, false, in fact, in its very assumption of an opposition between stupidity and malice.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I prefer to switch the words “malice” and “stupidity”.
“Stupidity” is giving people an out.
Bernie campaign releases its expected numbers...
Which pretty much line up with the last Iowa polls.
larger here.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
@Not Henry Kissinger The cynical part of me
The cynical part of me says, "That's why the results are in disarray. The party apparatchiks can't wrap their heads around the possibility that Bernie won. They need time to "recount" the results so that anyone else comes out on top (most likely Buttigieg since Biden was so far down he probably didn't get a single delegate).
BTW, DK gets viler by the day. The smug, self-satisfied Hillbots are in complete control. You criticize their chosen (neoliberal) candidates at your peril. You support Sanders at DK at your peril. Right now, I have so much hatred for them, it crowds out any hatred I have for Trump and the neo-Nazis who support him.
"Not me. Us."
@Bernindownthehouse TOP is definitely a
TOP is definitely a Hive of Scum and Villainy.
Not to mention all the damn bullies.
They are supposed to be Anti bullying but the HillBots are some of the most petty, boorish bunch of bullying Bastards it's ever been my displeasure to "Meet".
I actually got death threats and told to kill myself over posting facts with zero vitriol attached.
I wouldn't piss down their collective throats if their hearts were on fire....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
This all works to Bernie's benefit
His campaign has great momentum and energy. The Iowa caucus, mess that it was, demonstrated that fact, and will no doubt further energize and increase his base.
For the anti-establishment candidates, this was a great night.
The Dem establishment continues to openly display their corruption and incompetence. In the past, they were able to do stuff like this and get away with it. No one had the guts to call them out. That game isn't going to work anymore. That fact can only help the progressive movement.
I think the candidate who was potentially the most hurt by Iowa is Biden. After tonight, there should be questions about his viability.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
@Centaurea You are surely right
You are surely right about Biden getting gouged last night, but I don't know that Bernie is getting a boost out of having the primary results delayed, especially if he won. The party may just be stalling to cook the books for Buttigieg. Or Buttigieg might have won legitimately. But I like Sanders' chances in a 3-way battle among him, Buttigieg, and Warren. But then, I don't think anyone should be counting out Biden this early.
"Not me. Us."
I'm sure they're trying to stall Bernie's momentum
but it doesn't appear to be working. Yes, the delay has prevented a Bernie from making a big splash with a victory speech. But from what I've seen so far, that's not going to deter his legions of supporters. The shenanigans have only motivated them more.
Iowa won't give Bernie a big boost, but it's not going to hurt him.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
is what happens when you cry wolf over and over
....
This is spot on.
Can you say rigged primary? Sure you can unless you're Neera who is acting like nothing is wrong about tonight.
This too also
It's late and I'm getting punchy. Night all and don't forget Bernie probably ran away with the win tonight, but people are busy behind the scenes trying to say he didn't.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Well how about the $42,000 Pete supposedly put into the
app company, Shadow, (now there's a name)? Can that be verified? How was that legit if so?
Any possibility it led him to think he won so he declared early?
Wow.
Paper, paper, paper. I am actually fond of the caucus system: in person; people talk to each other; it's tiered for first and second choices - a much better way of voting imho.
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Woke up to this, true or not?
Only in ameriKa
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWrCRPldVZk]
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/iowa
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Must disagree
Caucuses seem very easy to rig. PAPER BALLOT elections, not so much. Nut experts in Chicago are available, if not already under indictment for shakedowns.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Done dirt cheap
Of course it was.
"Stop him" failed spectacularly, so they are now forced to play their B strategy and that's always messier. If history is any predictor of the future (narrator voiceover: and it always is because people never learn anything from history) then they will use the chaos they have created to first attempt to steal the win, then failing that, to discredit it solely to take it away from the people Sanders represents. Every dirty deed they do to try to pull this off will be blamed on Bernie's campaign.
I don't see why this is the end of the caucus system.
The point of "democracy" for these people is to allow the masses to feel as if they had a say in the outcome while at the same time maintaining their own oligarchic rule. The Iowa caucus performed perfectly well in this regard, much in the way in which "computer failures" awarded the Mexican elections to various Establishment parties in years past.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
I think ...
They've been planning it since 2016. Remember all the calls among the Hillbots that "the caucuses must go," "they're undemocratic," blah blah blah? This shitshow was engineered from the beginning to prove, once and for all, that they must go. It's much harder to rig a caucus, which is why the Establishment hates them. Bernie kills it in this format, and they know it.
Fortunately, we all see it for what it is. All the kids playing in the orange cesspool will cheer it, but let's remember how rapidly their numbers and relevance are dwindling.
Well...except that crap like what happened last night
does not make people feel like they have a say, but rather reveals the system for what it is.
Otherwise, I'm on the same page as you...
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
They will trot out tired arguments for the status quo
Or maybe they will do and say nothing. Why should they do anything at all? They like things the way they are.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Well, that's what I've been saying...
I don't know why the Democratic establishment is so fussed. What's their fucking problem? They can legally rig the entire thing--or throw out the results. They don't need to provide a fair competition. They don't need to pay attention to the will of the voters. That was their defense in court and the judge accepted it. So now it's part of the legal history of the United States that the Democratic party doesn't have to give a shit who the Democratic voters want as a nominee. So why all the histrionics? They can do whatever the fuck they want at the convention.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Have to wonder
if this part
"This will likely be the end of the Iowa caucus, and probably the entire caucus system. "
Might not have been intentional?
I don't have a problem with caucuses per se - seems like they can be less opaque than the wrangling at state conventions that can lead to outcomes that vary considerably from the primary vote.
If any Dem candidate benefitted
from this I would think it's Tulsi Gabbard - good move staying away, especially if she ends up making a decent showing against Buttigieg in NH.
Of course, she probably only *really* stayed out of Iowa after receiving coded instructions from Vladimir Putin to do so...
Them Rooshians will just stoop to anything, I guess.
@Blue Republic I really wouldn't mind a
I really wouldn't mind a Sanders/Gabbard ticket.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me