#CNNisGarbage and actively trying to sink Bernie, while Liz the Consumer Protector is really The House Flipper who's getting more desperately vicious in tandem with CNN
Just a few things I'm going to lay here for the community.
Her true self is coming to the fore. And it's nasty, desperate and pathetic. Fortitude and character are put to the test during the more trying times of a campaign and she's failing spectacularly. She's not our ally. As someone at Chapo put it, "she went from overenthusiastic librarian to vicious middle manager asking underlings to come into her office real quick."
And while I don't have any hard proof about CNN actively colluding it can be inferred that this very well could be the big attempt (or one of more to come) by the Consortium of Power Against Bernie (which includes both parties' leaders, almost all of the MSM, Wall St and corporate America) as a last ditch attempt to defame him just before he walks away with Iowa and then the nomination.
Taibbi's got the goods, CNN’s Debate Performance Was Villainous and Shameful: The 24-hour network combines a naked political hit with a cynical ploy for ratings
Phillip asked him to clarify: He never said it? “That is correct,” Sanders said. Phillip turned to Warren and deadpanned: “Senator Warren, what did you think when Senator Sanders told you a woman could not win the election?”
That “when” was as transparent a media “fuck you” as we’ve seen in a presidential debate. It evoked memories of another infamous CNN ambush, when Bernard Shaw in 1988 crotch-kicked Mike Dukakis with a question about whether he’d favor the death penalty for someone who raped and murdered his wife, Kitty.
This time, the whole network tossed the mud. Over a 24-hour period before, during, and after the debate, CNN bid farewell to what remained of its reputation as a nonpolitical actor via a remarkable stretch of factually dubious reporting, bent commentary, and heavy-handed messaging.
The cycle began with a “bombshell” exposé by CNN reporter MJ Lee. Released on the eve of the debate, Lee reported Warren’s claim that Sanders told her a woman couldn’t win in a December 2018 meeting.
Lee treated the story as fact, using constructions such as, “Sanders responded that he did not think a woman could win,” and “the revelation that Sanders expressed skepticism that Warren could win.”
Lee said “the conversation” opened a window into “the role of sexism and gender inequality in politics”: The conversation also illustrates the skepticism among not only American voters but also senior Democratic officials that the country is ready to elect a woman as president …
Although Lee said she based the story on “the accounts of four people,” they were “two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter,” and “two people familiar with the meeting.” There were only two people in the room, Sanders and Warren. Lee’s “four people” actually relied on just one source, Warren.
If this sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the same construction that’s driven countless other shaky stories in the past, from WMD reports to Russiagate speculations. An unconfirmable hearsay story is conveyed by one source, who gives the reporter the numbers of two or three other people in the office who’ve heard the same tale from the same place. Voilà: A one-source pony is now factual “according to several people familiar with the matter.”
SHOCKED: Warren Was Playing The Victim After the Debate
The audio from the moment where Elizabeth Warren refused to shake Bernie Sanders' hand has been released.
The #DemDebate scuffle came after Warren accused Bernie Sanders of saying, a woman can't win, a claim that contradicts his public comments over decades and one he denies. pic.twitter.com/yVTRkyCb2d
— BERNforBernie2020 RegisterToVote (@BernForBernie20) January 16, 2020
Then there's this I found from a Chapo commenter:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2012/06/02/records-pro...
Elizabeth Warren, who has railed against predatory banks and heartless foreclosures, took part in about a dozen Oklahoma real estate deals that netted her and her family hefty profits through maneuvers such as “flipping” properties, records show.
A Herald review has found that the Democratic U.S. Senate candidate rapidly bought and sold homes herself, loaned money at high interest rates to relatives and purchased foreclosed properties at bargain prices.
Land records from Warren’s native Oklahoma City show the Harvard professor was active in the often topsy-turvy real estate market in the 1990s, including:
• Purchasing a foreclosed home at 2725 West Wilshire Boulevard from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development for $61,000 in June 1993, then selling it in December 1994 for $95,000 — a 56 percent mark-up in just 18 months.
• Buying a house at 200 NW 16th St. for $30,000 in August 1993, then flipping it for $145,000 — a 383 percent gain after just five months.
• Lending one of her brothers money at 9.5 percent interest to buy a home at 1425 Classen Drive for $35,000 in August 2000. He sold the place three months later for $38,500 — a 10 percent gain in 75 days.
• Providing her brother with financing to buy a $25,000 house at 4301 NW 16th St. in 1994. He sold the property four years later for $42,000, a 68 percent increase.
• Giving her sister-in-law a mortgage in 1996 to buy a $31,000 home at 2621 NW 13th St. Three years later, the sister-in-law sold the place for $45,000 — a 45 percent boost in three years.
• Providing her brother with a loan in 1997 to buy 901 NW 22nd St. for $90,000. He sold it some two years later for $106,000 — an 18 percent increase.
• Giving her brother a mortgage to buy 3836 NW 12th St. in 1997 for $26,000. Nine years later, he unloaded the home for $45,000 — a 73 percent jump.
Herald columnist Howie Carr reported yesterday that Warren and her relatives also profited from two additional Oklahoma City foreclosures — in both cases showing triple-digit percentage gains.
Warren’s campaign issued a statement last night: “Elizabeth and (her husband) Bruce are fortunate to be in a position where they can help their family. They have been able to help relatives buy their homes and her nephew — a contractor — fix up houses.”
However, Warren and her family’s private investments don’t seem to square with her public statements about the latest real estate boom and bust.
“We are in the midst of one of the greatest economic crises in our country’s history — a crisis that began one lousy mortgage at a time,” the Democrat wrote on her campaign website, which also decries “a deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages.”
Here's Liz's track record, compiled by Nathan Robinson of Current Affairs:
But when I say there is reason not to trust that Warren always tells the truth, I mean this because she does not always tell the truth. I have documented these at length in a video and in previous articles for this website. Many of them are small, but they are also shameless and show a willingness to bend the truth for political convenience. They include:
Saying she opposed fancy wine fundraisers even though she held them herself.
Raising money using exactly the methods she now denounces as corrupting, and falsely claiming her presidential campaign was “100% grassroots funded” when it carried over millions from a Senate campaign funded by the wealthy.
Claiming her father was a janitor when her brother insists he wasn’t.
Pretending to have been representing the interests of consumers when she was in fact working for corporations who were contesting the legal claims of retired coal miners, women sickened by faulty breast implants, rural cooperatives, and dead NASCAR drivers. (The New York Times and Washington Post both investigated her claims and documented ways in which her campaign had manipulated the truth.)
Claiming for years on government forms that her race was “American Indian”.
When a mother accused her of having sent her children to private schools, insisting her children “went to public schools” when one of them actually did go to private school.
Claiming to support Medicare For All but then, when criticized for it, backing off it completely and promising to pass something else.
Claiming that only billionaires would pay more under her Medicare For All plan, when that wasn’t true.
Allowing Harvard Law School to claim her as its first “woman of color”
Claiming that a DNA test supported the contention that she was an American Indian, then deleting the evidence she had done this.
Claiming to have been the first nursing mother to take the New Jersey bar, then when asked for evidence, saying that she “was making a point about the very serious challenges she faced.”
Telling a dubious story about her grandparents having to elope because of discrimination.
Saying she was “not political” in her younger years when she was in fact a “diehard conservative” Republican.
Claiming recipes she copied word for word from the New York Times were ancient Cherokee family dishes.
Pretending that she was releasing a health-care plan that did not raise middle class taxes.
Claiming to have “created the intellectual foundation” for Occupy Wall Street.
Criticizing the revolving door between the banking sector and government despite personally putting bankers in the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.
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And if that's not enough you really have to hear the tone of disgust and disappointment in Michael Moore's voice on his latest podcast:
Comments
Hey folks. Won't be around much today but had to post this
little compendium of stuff boiling over.
She's toast. And watch Bernie get a lift from this naked and concerted hit job. The guy's authenticity, trustworthiness and gravitas because of it is unassailable.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Liz tried to set up Bernie
Schumer just announced his opposition to USMCA
Po' Lizbeth. Will she have to flip-flop again? I'd bet on it. But Bernie better make her eat some crow and admit he was right and that she was only thinking of corporate donations up the line when she supported it. And she was so looking forward to those green bombs. Such disappointment!
That hot-mic moment was the whole point
Bernie was unfairly attacked for two solid hours.
Then Liz approached him with that BS when he might have thought no one could hear.
Liz and CNN were hoping/planning on Bernie saying something nasty, that sounded disrespectful.
Most people would have.
And if that happened, that would have reshaped the whole campaign.
It would have been used to "prove" Bernie hated women.
But then Steyer stepped in to say Hi, and Bernie had a reason to step away.
Doncha know that everyone at CNN, DNC, and Liz's campaign screamed in frustration at that.
Fe Fi Fo Fum
I smell the stench of Wasserman Schultz
https://observer.com/2017/08/court-admits-dnc-and-debbie-wasserman-schul...
I’m wondering
If Steyer knew what he was doing?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Donald Trump will eat her for breakfast
if the Democratic Party PTB hand her the nomination. But maybe that's the point: they all want four more years of Trump because Bernie Sanders is too scary.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
I think that's what Bernie may have said.
Not "a woman can't be elected" but "you can't be elected". I'll bet.
If she were the nominee we would hear "Pocahontas" twelve times an hour every hour on TV.
She has completely revealed her true self and it's ugly.
As for CNN, my (R) friends call it Communist News Network (of course it's not at all!) and disdain it more than we disdain FOX. In fact, my personal opinion is that FOX slants and cherry picks while CNN and MSNBC make up things from whole cloth.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Do we have any solid evidence --
that any of this stuff is real? I'm guessing that some of Warren's associates cooked it up and that Warren chose not to deny it out of some sort of calculation about what it would do for her career. Warren has never associated herself with Sanders, but has gone on record as endorsing Clinton Two in the previous cycle.
She's got a credibility problem, but to me it looks like a lot of fibs and false embellishments. There are so many of them that it really tarnishes her as a candidate, but this most recent one looks like an idea of Clinton associates that she went along with. She likes small lies already, and maybe she's trying to develop a taste for big ones.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Liz Warren is an insult to the memory
of the actual Pocahontas. BTW, my mother (RIP) was born outside of Broken Arrow, OK. It was a couple of decades after statehood. She was German with some Cherokee Indian, and could prove it. I hope a decent female POTUS candidate will run before I croak. Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Thanks Mark,
When in my life, i’ve learned that a friend broke a confidence, something i said to them in a private conversation, for instance, i’ve always been moved, felt sad, hurt that i trusted them and subsequently, never really trusted them again.
Warren undoubtedly came to the debate wanting to blow this up, her ready response about women on stage winning elections in 30 years, a give-away plus the handshake and verbal abuse in front of cameras and mikes; not just stupid, calculated i now believe. Notwithstanding the campaign officials supposedly anonymously backing up the Politico/CNn story to begin with, smells of Clinton tactics.
In truth, she disappointed me when she didn't immediately support Sanders in 2016. So, she's a progressive when it suits her political ambitions and now a proven conniving politician to boot in my eyes, damn. If this does hurt Bernie and the country in the long run ...
Cheers for the Moore.
Warren has shown her true colors.
TPTB are absolutely terrified of Bernie. They know how many people are backing him this time. He is such a danger to their way of life. It's all out war, now. They will to WHATEVER IT TAKES to try and take Bernie down.
I work for a closet rethug. He thinks he's gonna save the world - HA! he's a dufus.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Does this take
the cake?
Really?????????????????? Who are these bozos????????????????????
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I had no idea that she was that into real estate
I am living for this blowing up in her face. Couldn't have happened to a folksier liar.
I hope she has endangered her Senate seat
And will face a primary challenge. Best would be a Progressive woman to avoid the sexism angle. Irony would be by a real Native American.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
When is she up again?
I do believe, so far, that Rep. Pressley is the real deal, a political natural on the bottom rung of a long and distinguished career. Would she have to give up her House seat to run against Warren. OTOH, the Democrat whom Pressley primaried seems a decent fellow; maybe he could be persuaded to oppose Warren.
Mary Bennett
Ayanna Pressley
is one of Elizabeth Warren's campaign co-chairs. I can't see her trying to primary Warren.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Unfortunately for the Massachusetts crowd
I heard she JUST got re-elected for the senate seat, and they (we) are stuck with her for another 5 years.
Well done is better than well said-Ben Franklin
Compared to the 2 senators I have, Warren
is a lightweight in political corruption. My senators are Marco Rubio, and Sick Rott.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Well, she
has 5 years in which to just get over it and start being a good senator. Pressley must want to be on good terms with the Mass. delegation, another indication that she is a political natural.
Mary Bennett
@The Voice In the Wilderness oHHHHHHHH!!!! Wouldn't
oHHHHHHHH!!!! Wouldn't that be rich! I think Gilbert and Sullivan said it first-- "Let the punishment fit the crime!"
Semper ubi sub ubi
There’s more than enough without the flipping.
I think the flipping is too unwieldy an argument. Was she employing a bunch of contractors to renovate those properties? How much did she spend to get them ready for sale? Were there projects where she lost money?
She was still being a vulture, secondhand, by snapping up properties that the banks had, IMO, often stolen from people, but she might also have been a “jobs creator” and been producing neighborhood improvements. While the situation provides a good illustration of capitalism in action, I don’t think it’s the kind of thing that will be particularly useful in a political campaign.
The property flipping
is much ado, not even worthy of being an "argument". The transactions were mostly family related affairs, involving a brother and nephew in the renovation and property management, and only 2 involved foreclosed properties and only 2 properties were flipped in a 12-month period, the normal time period to use the term "flipped". A $50k property bought for her parents to live in until their passing. Wow, taking care of family -- better call in the feds.
But conservative tabloids like the BostonHerald cited above like to push this non story as the facts can be loosely played with to make her look greedy and hypocritical.
There are at least 10 things to go after Warren on, and this one doesn't make it to the top 50.
I agree
The real estate buying and selling is a non issue. By and large, the normal increase in R.E. prices during the 90s are in line with the profits shown. In fact an argument could be made she lost money if you take into consideration the costs of repairs alone, even if done by an out of work nephew (possibly).
On the other hand, the fact that she was once a Republican could be used as an indictment against the entire Democrat Party as to how far to the right it has drifted. Remember that Her was a Goldwater Girl.
Warren is still a Republican in an Overton drifting Republican Lite Party that used to represent the poor, the sick, the elderly, and working people.
She is still at home.
IMHO
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
She's endemic of government occupied almost exclusively now by
corporate lawyers and "businessman." Both loot and pillage the marginalized when given the opportunity.
Frankly, I'm so sick of these "capitalist to my bones" assholes legislating our lives away into corporate dystopia and debt serfdom. They go to the same clubs, attend each other's family events and live in hermetically sealed worlds in which they hardly ever if never have to interact with the wreckage they've wrought. Warren talked a really good game for a while. When Bernie petitioned her to run in 2015 I was anxious to canvass for her until my feet ached. Glad to be fully disabused of her progressive credibility at this very moment.
She's another version of Obama/Hillary.
Nathan Robinson again, "Why Criticize Warren?"
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
@Mark from Queens Outrageous! What a f
Outrageous! What a f'ing liar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Semper ubi sub ubi
Can't be a "job creator" if you're a vulture capitalist.
In fact, this is the kind of transgression that makes me sick when it is passed off so smugly and casually by self-professed "capitalists" as "it's just business." It's also made me a staunch socialist.
I confess it must be tantalizing, if one has the money to buy up such properties cheaply and resell them. We've been conditioned to think this way in this sick society. After all isn't the American Dream™ all about becoming wealthy, by any means necessary?
But we shouldn't have such a crisis in foreclosures. That's a direct result of Wall St Economic Terrorism. Again, under unrestrained capitalism these bogus
financial instrumentsspeculative scams, such as credit default swaps, bundled mortgages and derivatives, are created out of thin air, to make hedge fund and stock market speculators wildly, obscenely wealthy off the backs of suffering working class people who have been defrauded out of their homes. There's very little more evil than taking away someone's home, and then profiting from it.As Richard Wolf always says, until we change the economic system that incentivizes this behavior no amount of regulation is going to fix it. Capitalism is inherently predatory. Corporate profits must continue to go up for its shareholders and board of directors. Socialism is the only antidote.
#Moms4Housing
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
The alternative is to let them rot
or become crack houses. Emoty houses are a neighborhood blight.
We probably agree that these houses should not have been foreclosed on. But since they were, they needed to be refurbished and sold.
Whether this was an appropriate investment for a US Senator is another question.
IMHO the only appropriate investment for an elected Federal official is the governments Thrift savings Plan
If you want to dabble in business or investments, get out of the government.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
No. As Bernie correctly says, Housing Is A Human Right.
The state should step in and make these perfectly good houses the homes of people who need them.
Most of these people were foreclosed upon because of the banker predation. A lot of people also just can't keep up with the falsely inflated bubble of absurdly rising rents (listen to the people in those videos; rents for a studio apt in SF are going for 3k a month - 3k!!!) caused by these same predators in finance and real estate buying up all the big properties for over-inflated prices with all the phony money they've stolen on Wall St, which in turn drives up rents, causing people to be evicted.
There's an epidemic in homelessness and child poverty.
Fuck the "owners" of these buildings.
Seize the property and allow poor families to at least get their bearings.
This shit that went down in Oakland is blood-boiling and unconscienable. What kind of world we'll we have, one in which deeds, law and enforcement prevail or humanity, empathy and compassion at the heart of governance?
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
No it is NOT a human right!
Shelter, yes, but there is no human right to a six figure home that others, often a pair of others have to work their asses off for!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Wow
You think it's better to just put people in shelters instead of working on getting them a permanent place to live? I can't believe anyone thinks that. People aren't stealing houses from wealthy assholes. The house those women took over had been empty for years. I don't know the whole backstory there, but I think fair is fair. Banks and mortgage companies have stolen so many people's homes by rigging the economy and firing people just so they can make higher profits and I think it's time for the less fortunate to fight back.
BTW I'm glad that Salt Lake City doesn't think like you. The city does everything it can to get people out of shelters and into homes or apartments and they have found it's much cheaper to do that.
What a deliberate misstatement!
Ending this as you ar3e obviously an enemy of honest workingmen.
Just a damn Communist who wants workers to have nothing that isn't owned by the State!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Keep digging
and showing your true colors here.
No where have I said that this is what I want to happen. In case you missed it I have been talking about the predatory practices of the banks that screwed people out of their homes. Do you think that it was just the fault of the homeowners?\
Where have I advocated to take someone's home from them and give it to a poor person? If you think that is what I am saying then you have reading comprehension difficulties.
Do you have a sock puppet and forgot to log out?
I'm not trying to be provocative, but I can't for the life of me reconcile this statement you just made with your sig line.
If you are interested in learning about why the moms
Took over that house.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/freedom-rider-solidarity-moms-4-housing
Salt Lake City
I heard your governor speaking about housing (on NPR, again as a "drive-by") and was bowled over at how much sense this Republican was making.
I don't know much about him otherwise so this could just be an anomaly, but if so, it's a good one.
Hubert is hit and miss
I'm still hold a grudge for when Obama appointed Huntsman as China's ambassador. He was slightly left of most republicans and hubby wasn't as good. But SLC is trying to address homelessness by putting people into apartments and getting them the help they need. But they kinda screwed up when they closed a 1,000 bed shelter and built others making the capacity 700. People didn't want to move away from the city proper for a number of reasons. And it's letting the companies that build apartments build expensive ones without making them at least build some that are affordable. The Utah movie theater was sold for $1 and the company only had to build 3% that are affordable. People were tickled by that.
Lots of companies are moving to Utah and it's pricing people out of homes. Plus of course they get tax breaks but small businesses don't. This is not fair to us especially when it's defense companies that are getting tax breaks and building things to sell back to the government. Prosperous companies don't need them. Bezos shouldn't get any when he's worth so much and Amazon pays no taxes whatsoever! This is the East Indies crap all over again.
One thing we haven't mentioned is that raising the minimum wage would go a long way to helping people stay in their homes. The great Obama and congress did nothing for his entire tenure on the federal wage.
Are you saying that all the foreclosed homes were
crack homes? If so they weren't. Lots of middle class people lost their homes as did lots of very poor people. Homes are one way to transfer wealth to the younger generation but that has gone bye bye for many folks.
This is what people are upset with Pete for doing. He bulldozed 1,000 homes in a poor black neighborhood and not all of them were unfit to be lived in.
@snoopydawg
No. Abandoned homes often become crack houses.
And if you are saying that those houses, taken away from people who made down payments and many further payments should be given to people who didn't pay a damn thing for them, then what I have to say to you is unprintable.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Say it to me, then.
True, empty houses invite drug dealers. (City, crack. Rural, meth.) Because they are empty.
Where is the outrage, the inhumanity of offering those homes to the poor?
You?
Not me.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Every One of Them becomes crack houses?
Did you see my other comment on this down thread?
And wtf?
Can you show me where I said that or anyone else did? No one is saying that. The subject was that people got their homes foreclosed on for many reasons but then banks, hedge funds and people like Warren bought them up for pennies on the dollar and then after modifying them sold them for a big profit. If banks could take big right offs like that after we bailed them out then yes the government should have done more to keep people in their homes in the first f'cking place.
As to what you might have said..back atcha!
IMO, they needed to be seized by local govts.,
refurbished with local, that is American, labor and sold to first time or low income buyers of good character. Sold for cost of labor and legal processes with a reasonable profit to the taxpayer.
Mary Bennett
What do you mean
by "American" labor?
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Citizens
or legal residents. I would also add, where possible, a requirement for local hiring.
Mary Bennett
Impossible and
IMHO - racist. Thanks for clarifying - that's what I thought you meant.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Man, there seems to be the slow drip of RW ideology around
here a little bit lately (or have I not been here enough lately?).
I guess she's never really looked at the composition of construction crews, or in the backs of kitchen restaurants, or at the people breaking their backs in farm fields so that we can eat a carton of strawberries for a $1.50? They're almost all immigrants, with many of them "illegal." But you haven't seemed to ask the salient question, why? It's because the owners of these companies don't want to pay their workers. So they hire as cheaply as possible. It's not the workers' faults. They're just like you ad I, trying to feed and house their families. AND, most come from places where we've had a larger than understood part in the ravaging the economies of (see Mexico and so many others), which then sends their workers scurrying here for the little pittance they can get to send home to their families. It's all fucking capitalism, the gears of which are greased by owner's greed for profit and deprivation for everyone else.
Suggestions that there be a nationalistic hiring of workers, and pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps and "tough luck" finger-pointing at the poor and marginalized, are hallmarks of the RW, but increasingly the domain of Neoliberalism.
That's straight resentment politics (of both the Right and Left) and creeping fascism, in my view.
Damn, sometimes people's real selves can't help but come out with matters concerning doing things for the lesser among us.
Makes my resolve for socialism that much stronger. Because a lot of these folks talking this BS, I feel, would have an epiphany if The Right Thing (socialism) we're finally instituted. In which they would all of a sudden see the utter transformation of a society wherein economic pressures would be mitigated by a social and work programs designed to initiate and stabilize economic equality. That means poverty and homelessness is on the way to being eradicated, which means crime disappears alongside. Happiness and contentment factors go spiking up. Especially when, with all these guarantees as Rights (as Bernie says), people have more time to spend with loved ones and friends, instead of working endlessly and tirelessly in thankless, uninspiring jobs just to barely survive. The current capitalist system drives ALL of this blight and strife.
You can't be an advocate of the 99% and not understand this, or worse be antagonistic to it.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Beautifully said, Mark,
top to bottom.
I, too, see RWism from time to time around here.
I can't imagine shaming the poor, since I think it is a shame we have poor in this damn country!
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
And "good character?"
That's a possible solution!
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Who is the judge of "good character"?
Government? The same government who just implemented rules that require people on SSDI to show they are disabled, over and over, like, the government thinks they are faking their wheelchair, or their blindness?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Shhhh..
You're getting in the way of poor shaming. It's okay for everyone who isn't poor to go out of their way to screw the poor. Disabled. Elderly who get their homes taken from them if they are a tad light on their property taxes. You know like that lady in California who Mnunchin foreclosed on because she owed less than 1 f'cking dollar on her property taxes. Yay me. I hit the trifecta with being poor, disabled and elderly.
I'm thoroughly disgusted with some of the comments in this thread. BTW I came within a hair of being foreclosed on last September. The stress from that was unimaginable and it was on top of doing everything I could for Abby.
It's not surprising, sd.
People hide behind their keyboards all the time. They eventually show their true colors - just like our friend Liz Warren!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Nailed it
@gjohnsit Think of our next four
Think of our next four years with her and Biden swapping anachronistic cliches while continuing the plunder.
I call her a neoprogressive, a sort of generational lie now that neoliberals have been fully exposed.
By the way, who else found her little display of how men "can't" win an election a kind of reverse sexism? She didn't break out "Bernie Bros" but I bet a few of the MSM commenters did.
This is her attempt to get the second chair.
A story from
Dec 8. Given the latest controversy, I should think Biden wouldn't want to rile up the millions of Bernie backers with a Liz pick. He's far more likely to pick Kamala, not Liz. Klobbachair, not Liz. Twenty other women, not Liz.
Klobuchar would in fact make a good VP
for a centrist president. She has a pleasant demeanor, can be counted on to not embarrass the USA when sent overseas, while still, with her regular people persona, reminding foreign leaders that the USA remains a republic, and appears to be free from personal or family scandal and not to have aristocratic pretensions. She is a bit like former president Obama in that her opponents consistently underestimate her. I have been dismayed by AK's policies, but I would not care to see Warren in the VP office.
Mary Bennett
That's a fair argument
for Klobbachair, but the items you mention also remind me she might be a bit of a female Tim Kaine. No controversy, normal person with no pretensions, good white middle-class appeal, all that, but like Kaine, the white male centrist partner to the white female centrist Hillary, Klob would bring little added energy and excitement to a Biden ticket, which would badly need it.
And Liz at this point is likely to be too hot a controversy with the Bernie wing and so overall a probable detriment to the ticket. I say Biden would go safer, but not to the point of doubling down on the bland, the whiteness, the safe moderately moderate mindset, which is what Klobbachair represents. At least it wouldn't be political smart to do that.
He would need
to carry Midwest states, and she does win elections.
Biden, if nominated, must win Penn. and Ohio. I think he picks a Midwesterner, maybe Stabenow, another good friend of agribiz, whose money Sleepy Joe will need.
Mary Bennett
Ok, but a Klob or
Stab pick seems a bit too defensive to me.
Dems would need to pick to generate more enthusiasm with a Biden nom. Klob and Stab don't deliver that. They are the Tim Kaine, Claire McCaskill picks -- losing picks.
Dems should think less about boring, safe white bread pols who won't rock the boat with their centrism and won't help drive turnout, and a little more about pols even a little more to the left, but not necessarily socialist-democrat, who will get people's juices flowing and generate enthusiasm. Ds need to match/exceed Rs built-in voter enthusiasm, not worry about offending voters on ideology grounds.
I would however prefer a Klob to a Joe if the party arranges to demand a centrist P nominee.
OK. you do make sense, but
we need to remember that one reason for the 2016 loss was that apparently not one of the geniuses in Hillarlyland was counting electoral votes. Remember those suburban Republicans who were going to vote for Shill?
Mary Bennett
Hillary's camp
focused way too much on trying to get mod Rs, which were few in number. Far better to have built up some excitement for the ticket with a much stronger VP pick then taking care of business by campaigning in the upper MW states and PN that were essential.
That 2016 Morning Joe Safe Centrism strategy is now a proven loser. We should not seek to repeat the same mistakes.
Mayo Pete from Indiana
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
She's none of these things.
She's an abusive, demeaning, power mad, former prosecutor Neoliberal who's infamously known for hurling a binder at her staff. Same internal rage borne out of privilege and self-importance of which possessed corporate clowns like Kavanaugh and Buttigieg.
And just another propped-up, media-concocted rival pushed with the intent to thwart the progressive socialist message through a somebody who doesn't really have any supporters.
Staffers, Documents Show Amy Klobuchar’s Wrath Toward Her Aides
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I doubt I would at this point vote for her, but
as for staff issues; do I need to remind you that working class employees put up with similar and worse abuse each and every work day? I am really not interested in the whining of privileged brats because they might be expected to do some work for their perks and prestige. No one in my family or known to me, however smart and how good their work ethic, will ever be in line for a job in a Senate office, but we can bring in criminals like the Awan gang.
Mary Bennett
So in other words they deserved to be treated like that?
Lots of 'brats' work for free to some congress members or get paid lousy wages.
Work for free
while being supported by rich families. Sorry, but in a world where the Awans were considered "qualified" to work for the Senate, I think I can be allowed a bit of jealousy on behalf of family and friends (I am retired).
Mary Bennett
Well, I’ve been working for 45 years,
and held many lower-rung, lower paid, even entry-level positions along the way. I’ve had a few shitty bosses... but *never* has any boss or supervisor thrown heavy objects at me, or any co-worker. I think that is an assault, way over the line. It truly doesn’t matter to me at all how much an employee is paid or how rich they or their family is. Having heavy objects thrown at employees or interns/volunteers is extremely inappropriate, probably illegal, and totally unacceptable. It’s a bit strange to see anyone defending that kind of behavior.
If someone assaults you
what you do is make a police complaint, I think that is the procedure. Someone could have stopped her career right then and there. I doubt we are talking about some single mom in desperate circumstances who has to keep the job at all costs here.
Mary Bennett
You think it is ok for a person in any job, anywhere,
to get assaulted by their boss, and if they do not report it to police, then just let it go? Job security is more important than on the job safety?
Well, I had a boss assault me. He left in an ambulance, I just got my stuff and left with a torn shirt. Police wouldn't have done a thing, back in the 70's.
I was happy with the 70's result.
Throw an object at me today, I will fuck you up.
Employees today who are attacked have remedies. If they take that abuse because they are poor, or because they get a big pay check and have ambition, it is still wrong.
Slavery went away quite a while ago.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Wow, otc.
I think you're my soul brother.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
True story.
He straddled me, I got a knee in his crotch. He went down, I went up, and repeatedly kicked him right in his balls until he begged me to stop, and I had had enough retribution.
Fun times.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Yeah,
@on the cusp
I love you both, for sure.
And how's this for serendipity? At the same moment I was moved to write that my two year old daughter began to sing, "Only Love Can Break Your Heart."
It's one of our choices at bedtime; the others being by the Beatles, Supertramp and David Bowie.
Comrades, we'll always need music. Another essential part of C99!
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
Seriously?
You put congressional aides on par with the Awaws? Wow. I really don't know what else to say about this. Well I can but I'm not going to bother.
When I was there
far from all the staffers were 'privileged rats.' You don't realize, maybe, the great gulf between the pay of top staffers, such as Legislative Directors and Chiefs of Staff, and LAs and LCs. The lower ranks of staffers got paid low enough that I often wondered how they could afford to live in D.C. And below them were the interns, usually young people working for free.
Some of these people are bluebloods who got to Capitol Hill because their daddy knows somebody. Some of them are mercenary climbers. But some are patriotic and idealistic, like I was when I came to D.C.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Shhhh
You too are getting in the way of shaming people for their lot in life. Interns who try to find a leg up in political life deserve everything that happens to them.
Another thing--
they weren't being asked to do some work--they were being screamed at. Objects were being thrown at them.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
There are legal remedies for someone
assaulting you, in both criminal and civil law, I do believe. If you do not want to avail yourself of them please don't ask me to feel sorry for you.
That said, I have no intention of voting for Klobuchar, mainly because of her pro big ag votes.
Mary Bennett
There's nothing to hope for from Klobuchar
except for those people whose highest political goal is having a President that doesn't say rotten things in public.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You just described
my paralegal.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I just described most liberals I know.
Oy vey.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
"a pleasant demeanor" ?
"Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s mistreatment of her office staff began more than a decade ago and eventually caused such concerns that in 2015, then-Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) spoke to her privately and told her to change her behavior, multiple sources have confirmed to HuffPost.
Klobuchar, a Democrat who plans to announce whether she’s running for president at a rally in Minneapolis on Sunday, has faced trouble hiring campaign aides because of her history of mistreating staff."
"During that same campaign, the president of the AFSCME local, the union that represented many of Klobuchar’s employees in the county attorney’s office, asked the larger Twin Cities AFSCME affiliate not to endorse Klobuchar’s Senate bid, citing her “shameful treatment of her employees.”
Klobuchar had “created a hostile work environment” and “severely damaged the morale of the office,” wrote James Appleby, the president of the local. The letter claimed that grievances to the union increased under Klobuchar’s tenure and that Klobuchar once told her own employees they weren’t competent enough to work at her former law firm. It also claimed the local had asked the union to withhold its endorsement for her county attorney bid in 2002.
“In short, Amy Klobuchar is exactly the kind of candidate that AFSCME should oppose,” he wrote.
The letter, which Appleby provided to HuffPost (and which is reprinted below), followed a contentious battle over potential pay raises for Klobuchar’s staff, more than 100 of whom were represented by AFSCME. The union claimed Hennepin County attorneys were among the worst paid in the state after years of being the best paid. "
"Staff are staff, they’re not maids. There’s a difference between ‘Make sure I have a Diet Coke at an event’ and ‘Pick up my dirty clothes while you wait for me to get dressed.’
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/amy-klobuchar-mistreat-staff-harry-reid_n...
Well, what happens when
a CNN reporter, let us say, asks Senator how do you respond to allegations that you are cruel and hateful to your staff, and she answers that I expect the people who work for me, at lavish salaries mind you, to work as hard as does the barrista who serves you your double mocha latte? I am not saying this behavior is OK, but I do say that I doubt it loses her very many votes.
Mary Bennett
Throwing stuff at your workers and demeaning them
is not a good character trait on any scale.
We are not talking about a random blow up, and what this article didn't point out is that she is right at the top of the list of Congressional members with the highest number of staff turnovers.
That has nothing to do with any interview that has happened and I don't think you should just dismiss workers' complaints and I trust Harry Reid wasn't going to waste his time over just a few petty complaints and felt he had to deliver the message personally.
No, it's obvious he thought her lack of self control had to be addressed asap.
Klobuchar is not what she seems
Her husband only found out that she was running for Senate via tv news. Her daughter has described her as a 'submarine mom'; someone who surfaces once in a while.
And then there are the anger issues with staff.
Bland she might be, but....
The whole pragmatic incrementalism crap really doesn't help either.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Krystal is not happy with Warren
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As for those giving Warren a pass on house flipping I disagree because Warren once again shows that she is hypocrite for calling out predatory foreclosures and taking advantage of those people who got booted out of their houses when she did the same thing. And as I have said she was having so much fun she got her family to play along with it.
People's homes were worth much more got bought for pennies on the dollar. This is where Obama should have stepped in and made the banks work with people. Who benefited from seeing 9 million people lose their home investments only to see them bought up for cheap like that? The banks and they were doing it while they were deceiving people who thought they were working on load modifications.. Total hollowing out of the middle class. Thanks Obama you worm slime.
Not to mention that the GOP oppo
research folks will undoubtedly find out that she used and underpaid illegal migrant labor.
Mary Bennett
wrong place
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I have to admit
that I'm mystified by this whole thing. I've been enjoying the comments here and in other recent threads, but I'm still confused. I don't think we have the whole story, or enough information.
Clearly, this was planned, perhaps as a contingency. What does Warren hope to gain?
Firstly, who is going to take the allegation seriously? The Clinton dead-enders who convinced themselves four years ago that Sanders was a misogynist, as was anyone who didn't support Her. They already hate Sanders, this isn't going to change their minds, BUT maybe it will remind them that they are supposed to hate Sanders and never, ever support him.
The little scene at the end of the debate, assuming we can trust the recording that just HAPPENED BY SHEAR COINCIDENCE to have been made over open mikes, that Warren was shocked that Sanders denied her allegations IN PUBLIC. What did she think was going to happen? What would be the point of that scene if the mikes weren't open to record it? That was clearly planned.
What does Warren hope to gain?
Is she naive enough to think there would be a surge of (presumably female) voters away from Sanders towards her? Sort of "a special place in Hell" thing? Even if she's that dense, she should have some advisors who can think more clearly.
The Biden/Warren ticket idea has some merit. Except that Biden is also sliding in the polls and came in two points below Warren in the Des Moines poll. Why would she want to hitch her wagon to that sick horse?
The only thing I can come up with is that she wants to be the Great NeoLiberal Hope. She's got Castro on board (I wonder what he thinks of all this?). Maybe she thinks she can assemble a coalition of some progressives, some Establishment types, some Latinos, some Woman For President identity voters, and come out on top. Maybe with Buttigieg as VP? Maybe with Clinton campaigning for her?
She's no Obama. She won't be able to pull it off.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I have given up on trying to figure out what Warren might be
thinking. She had it made in the shade with what was virtually a Senate seat for life, and national recognition as a go to person of power on issues of banking and finance. Banking and finance is right up there with war and peace, not some non-sexy who cares expertise like fisheries or forest service. She looks bad, she sounds worse, and she appears to me to not understand what she is doing. Maybe her career can serve as an object lesson to young politicians not to trust establishment envoys bearing gifts.
Mary Bennett
Take a closer look at Warren's 'banking and finance'
I can't paste anything from the link to post here but take a look.
https://images.currentaffairs.org/2020/01/Screen-Shot-2020-01-08-at-2.27...
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