#CNNisGarbage and actively trying to sink Bernie, while Liz the Consumer Protector is really The House Flipper who's getting more desperately vicious in tandem with CNN

Just a few things I'm going to lay here for the community.

Her true self is coming to the fore. And it's nasty, desperate and pathetic. Fortitude and character are put to the test during the more trying times of a campaign and she's failing spectacularly. She's not our ally. As someone at Chapo put it, "she went from overenthusiastic librarian to vicious middle manager asking underlings to come into her office real quick."

And while I don't have any hard proof about CNN actively colluding it can be inferred that this very well could be the big attempt (or one of more to come) by the Consortium of Power Against Bernie (which includes both parties' leaders, almost all of the MSM, Wall St and corporate America) as a last ditch attempt to defame him just before he walks away with Iowa and then the nomination.

Taibbi's got the goods, CNN’s Debate Performance Was Villainous and Shameful: The 24-hour network combines a naked political hit with a cynical ploy for ratings

Phillip asked him to clarify: He never said it? “That is correct,” Sanders said. Phillip turned to Warren and deadpanned: “Senator Warren, what did you think when Senator Sanders told you a woman could not win the election?”

That “when” was as transparent a media “fuck you” as we’ve seen in a presidential debate. It evoked memories of another infamous CNN ambush, when Bernard Shaw in 1988 crotch-kicked Mike Dukakis with a question about whether he’d favor the death penalty for someone who raped and murdered his wife, Kitty.

This time, the whole network tossed the mud. Over a 24-hour period before, during, and after the debate, CNN bid farewell to what remained of its reputation as a nonpolitical actor via a remarkable stretch of factually dubious reporting, bent commentary, and heavy-handed messaging.

The cycle began with a “bombshell” exposé by CNN reporter MJ Lee. Released on the eve of the debate, Lee reported Warren’s claim that Sanders told her a woman couldn’t win in a December 2018 meeting.

Lee treated the story as fact, using constructions such as, “Sanders responded that he did not think a woman could win,” and “the revelation that Sanders expressed skepticism that Warren could win.”

Lee said “the conversation” opened a window into “the role of sexism and gender inequality in politics”: The conversation also illustrates the skepticism among not only American voters but also senior Democratic officials that the country is ready to elect a woman as president …

Although Lee said she based the story on “the accounts of four people,” they were “two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter,” and “two people familiar with the meeting.” There were only two people in the room, Sanders and Warren. Lee’s “four people” actually relied on just one source, Warren.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because it’s the same construction that’s driven countless other shaky stories in the past, from WMD reports to Russiagate speculations. An unconfirmable hearsay story is conveyed by one source, who gives the reporter the numbers of two or three other people in the office who’ve heard the same tale from the same place. Voilà: A one-source pony is now factual “according to several people familiar with the matter.”

SHOCKED: Warren Was Playing The Victim After the Debate

Then there's this I found from a Chapo commenter:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonherald.com/2012/06/02/records-pro...

Elizabeth Warren, who has railed against predatory banks and heartless foreclosures, took part in about a dozen Oklahoma real estate deals that netted her and her family hefty profits through maneuvers such as “flipping” properties, records show.

A Herald review has found that the Democratic U.S. Senate candidate rapidly bought and sold homes herself, loaned money at high interest rates to relatives and purchased foreclosed properties at bargain prices.

Land records from Warren’s native Oklahoma City show the Harvard professor was active in the often topsy-turvy real estate market in the 1990s, including:

• Purchasing a foreclosed home at 2725 West Wilshire Boulevard from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development for $61,000 in June 1993, then selling it in December 1994 for $95,000 — a 56 percent mark-up in just 18 months.

• Buying a house at 200 NW 16th St. for $30,000 in August 1993, then flipping it for $145,000 — a 383 percent gain after just five months.

• Lending one of her brothers money at 9.5 percent interest to buy a home at 1425 Classen Drive for $35,000 in August 2000. He sold the place three months later for $38,500 — a 10 percent gain in 75 days.

• Providing her brother with financing to buy a $25,000 house at 4301 NW 16th St. in 1994. He sold the property four years later for $42,000, a 68 percent increase.

• Giving her sister-in-law a mortgage in 1996 to buy a $31,000 home at 2621 NW 13th St. Three years later, the sister-in-law sold the place for $45,000 — a 45 percent boost in three years.

• Providing her brother with a loan in 1997 to buy 901 NW 22nd St. for $90,000. He sold it some two years later for $106,000 — an 18 percent increase.

• Giving her brother a mortgage to buy 3836 NW 12th St. in 1997 for $26,000. Nine years later, he unloaded the home for $45,000 — a 73 percent jump.

Herald columnist Howie Carr reported yesterday that Warren and her relatives also profited from two additional Oklahoma City foreclosures — in both cases showing triple-digit percentage gains.

Warren’s campaign issued a statement last night: “Elizabeth and (her husband) Bruce are fortunate to be in a position where they can help their family. They have been able to help relatives buy their homes and her nephew — a contractor — fix up houses.”

However, Warren and her family’s private investments don’t seem to square with her public statements about the latest real estate boom and bust.

“We are in the midst of one of the greatest economic crises in our country’s history — a crisis that began one lousy mortgage at a time,” the Democrat wrote on her campaign website, which also decries “a deregulated credit industry (that) squeezed families harder, hawking dangerous mortgages.”

Here's Liz's track record, compiled by Nathan Robinson of Current Affairs:

But when I say there is reason not to trust that Warren always tells the truth, I mean this because she does not always tell the truth. I have documented these at length in a video and in previous articles for this website. Many of them are small, but they are also shameless and show a willingness to bend the truth for political convenience. They include:

Saying she opposed fancy wine fundraisers even though she held them herself.

Raising money using exactly the methods she now denounces as corrupting, and falsely claiming her presidential campaign was “100% grassroots funded” when it carried over millions from a Senate campaign funded by the wealthy.

Claiming her father was a janitor when her brother insists he wasn’t.

Pretending to have been representing the interests of consumers when she was in fact working for corporations who were contesting the legal claims of retired coal miners, women sickened by faulty breast implants, rural cooperatives, and dead NASCAR drivers. (The New York Times and Washington Post both investigated her claims and documented ways in which her campaign had manipulated the truth.)

Claiming for years on government forms that her race was “American Indian”.

When a mother accused her of having sent her children to private schools, insisting her children “went to public schools” when one of them actually did go to private school.

Claiming to support Medicare For All but then, when criticized for it, backing off it completely and promising to pass something else.

Claiming that only billionaires would pay more under her Medicare For All plan, when that wasn’t true.

Allowing Harvard Law School to claim her as its first “woman of color”

Claiming that a DNA test supported the contention that she was an American Indian, then deleting the evidence she had done this.

Claiming to have been the first nursing mother to take the New Jersey bar, then when asked for evidence, saying that she “was making a point about the very serious challenges she faced.”

Telling a dubious story about her grandparents having to elope because of discrimination.

Saying she was “not political” in her younger years when she was in fact a “diehard conservative” Republican.

Claiming recipes she copied word for word from the New York Times were ancient Cherokee family dishes.

Pretending that she was releasing a health-care plan that did not raise middle class taxes.

Claiming to have “created the intellectual foundation” for Occupy Wall Street.

Criticizing the revolving door between the banking sector and government despite personally putting bankers in the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

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And if that's not enough you really have to hear the tone of disgust and disappointment in Michael Moore's voice on his latest podcast:

The Sad Downfall of Elizabeth Warren

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@WoodsDweller
Perhaps that Bernie would do her the same favor that he did to Hillary when the subject of EMAILS came up on the debate stage, and give her a pass. Looks like Bernie learned from his earlier mistake.

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. . . if Bernie can't pull off a miracle:

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Seeing lots of people saying that people need to make amends with the Bernie/Liz kerfluffle. Ugh.. no. Lets remember how it started:

Warren responded by publicly saying on Sunday:

“I was disappointed to hear that Bernie is sending his volunteers out to trash me.”

On the same day, Sanders responded: “We have hundreds of employees. Elizabeth Warren has hundreds of employees. And people sometimes say things that they shouldn’t.” And: “Elizabeth Warren is a very good friend of mine. No one is going to trash Elizabeth Warren.”

The clash could have de-escalated at that point, and for a short time it seemed that it might. But then came the anonymously sourced CNN story that Sanders had told Warren at a December 2018 private meeting that a woman couldn’t be elected president. Sanders quickly and categorically denied saying that.

Again no candidate should have to be responsible for something someone supporting their campaign says. How in hell could they?

It should have ended there. Warren could have simply said that it was a private meeting and there may have been a misunderstanding. Instead she threw a political grenade at Sanders, stating that he had said a woman could not be elected president.

But here’s the overarching point: Whatever Sanders and Warren supporters think of each other’s candidate now, there is no plausible pathway forward to the 2020 presidential nomination for either if the conflict festers.

Lost in a volcano of anger from many Bernie supporters is the reality that a tactical coalition with Warren is vital for blocking the nomination of the likes of Biden, Buttigieg and Bloomberg. That’s why BBB are surely elated at what has happened between Warren and Sanders in recent days—and why BBB surely hope that a lot of Sanders supporters declare political war on Warren and vice versa. The sounds of that clash in the weeks ahead would be music to the ears of corporate Democrats

Hey Norman, when the DNC is already putting its thumb on the scale and it looks like they are doing it here whether this came from them or Hillary insiders it's obvious to me that this was a direct attack on Bernie. Warren started it. Warren made it explode. Warren owes Bernie an apology. If I could I'd tell Norm to watch some of the Hill vids cuz they put everything in perspective imo.

Another good article;

One really does get the impression that if CNN were holding a debate on the Titanic, the first question would literally be about rearranging the deck chairs.

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@snoopydawg The whole “trashing” was a note to point out that most of Warren’s support is coming from upper middle class white people/PMC which isn’t exactly a smear and is also true! Lord forbid you say something about a campaign which runs counter to their narrative but also happens to be a fact. Sheeesh.

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Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.

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@Dr. John Carpenter

is considered trashing an opponent? You're right about that. Good grief every since Hillary whined about sexism and misogynism the whole damn country has fallen down a rabbit hole. I remember getting sick of seeing all the negative ads candidates used to put out against their opponents... but now just calling out bad votes and stuff is considered sexism. The IQ points of some people have sure sluffed off haven't they?

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Some might think this should have been the headline over the post-debate, refusal-to-shake by Warren:

Former member of far-right party refusing to shake hands with Jew

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@Mark from Queens
Politicians always shake hands, even if the other hand is behind their back holding a dagger.

As I've said, Bernie is not dumb. But Warren is. We already have a dumb President. We don't need another.

EDIT:
I remember JFK & Nixon shaking hands and smiling. Does anyone doubt that each was hoping the other would drop dead?

"Smiling faces. Smiling faces tell lies."
Warren is a lightweight that is not ready to move up.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@ggersh

I look at it all the time. Their stuff is usually funny af.

Some may take offense at this particular post, however.

From what I understand, they got nailed because they kept on posting stuff about killing slaveowners and praising John Brown.

They are at least a bit more careful now.

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@Wally

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"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

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@ggersh
Chapo Trap House is fun as hell, and filled with crazy smart and pithy folks who are openly unapologetic about their fiercely socialist views. Though admittedly the sarcasm, which is overflowing and often hilarious, can be exhausting.

The quarantine BS is allegedly because members of the Reddit thread frequently invoke the great abolitionist John Brown and make comments that all slave owners should be killed. Cop bashing is also prevalent (I applaud it).

But seriously, there’s tons of really bright people there with the kind of revolutionary gusto I find invigorating. Mine the comments for loads of treasures. It’s obvious to me there are people there who are activists, academics and just all around badasses awakened by Bernie and the charade of the Duopoly.

Highly recommended!

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@ggersh

Discussion is being quarantined?

Anybody else creeped out by that?

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/478638-new-hampshire-state-rep-swi...

the reason given isn't that Warren's slimy but I think there might be something behind it.

New Hampshire Rep switches to Klobuchar from Warren.

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one before the real exchange was released where they make up their own scripts (21 min)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQTWM1_qIcI]

and this one is good too. (7 min)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5X0OReq2IY]

I hope this will tank WARren.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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@Lookout

Was that the last debate for the season? If not I'd love to see Bernie say that he will not take part in the kabuki show debates. He hasn't been treated with respect during any of them. Enough Bernie. Stand up and call them out!

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@snoopydawg

Can they be any nastier towards Bernie than this last one? Yea, I think so, probably ratcheting up a notch each time.

They may even try to jiggle in the March debate before Super Tuesday if they think it helps Biden/Warren.

Feb. 7, 2020 - ABC/WMUR Democratic Debate (8th Debate)
Feb. 19, 2020 - MSNBC/NBC News Democratic Debate (9th Debate)
Feb. 25, 2020 - CBS News Democratic Debate (10th Debate)
Mar. 2020 - March Democratic Debate (11th Debate)
Apr. 2020 - April Democratic Debate (12th Debate)

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@Wally

I'd still love to see Bernie boycott them after the way he's been treated the last few debates. This one was a totally setup hit job on him. But I doubt he will.

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