Warren's people go Full Hillary

Just hours after Senator Warren declared herself a victim because some random Sanders volunteer posted something negative (but true) about Warren, her campaign staff went into full Hillaryesque lying smear mode.

The stakes were high when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met at Warren's apartment in Washington, DC, one evening in December 2018. The longtime friends knew that they could soon be running against each other for president.
The two agreed that if they ultimately faced each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another, so as not to hurt the progressive movement. They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she would be a strong candidate: She could make a robust argument about the economy and earn broad support from female voters.
Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.
The description of that meeting is based on the accounts of four people: two people Warren spoke with directly soon after the encounter, and two people familiar with the meeting.

That evening, Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics, according to one of the people familiar with the conversation. Warren told Sanders she disagreed with his assessment that a woman could not win, three of the four sources said.

Three of the four!?! What did the fourth say?

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Of course this is total Bernie Bros bullsh*t smear.
It just shows that Warren has some really awful people on her team.

Sanders denied the characterization of the meeting in a statement to CNN.
"It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win," Sanders said. "It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016."

Let's imagine how this conversation went.

Liz: "I'm running for president."
Bernie: "Women are losers."
Liz: "You're cute. Let's be friends."

Warren needs to step up and tell the truth.
But the media has a narrative that they won't give up.

The conversation also illustrates the skepticism among not only American voters but also senior Democratic officials that the country is ready to elect a woman as president, several years after one clinched a major political party's nomination for president for the first time. Many Democrats believe sexism played a role in Hillary Clinton's defeat in the 2016 general election, and voters say they are torn about whether to try again to put a woman in the White House in 2020.
The revelation that Sanders expressed skepticism that Warren could win the presidency because she is a woman is particularly noteworthy now, given that Warren is the lone female candidate at the top of the Democratic field. And notably, their meeting in December 2018 came just weeks after a record number of women had been elected to the House of Representatives, helping to deliver the majority to the Democrats.

It's not a "revelation". It's a smear. There's a difference.

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TheOtherMaven's picture

ByeDone is visibly failing, Warren is flagging, Sanders is surging, and TPTB are DESPERATE DESPERATE DESPERATE to get one of the first two shoved down our throats no matter how strongly we object.

If they succeed, it's another four years of Trump - and they're not so averse to that either. ANYONE or ANYTHING but Bernie! Diablo

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@TheOtherMaven

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"I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert J. McCloskey, U.S. State Department spokesman. From a press briefing during the Vietnam war.

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@TheOtherMaven

As to if Bernie actually said what these anonymous sources claim? Of course he didn't. But she needs to be held to account especially after she way too eagerly went along with the fake news story about Bernie's canvassing script.

I thought for awhile that maybe this is a Biden/Obama ploy to paint her in a corner. But it sure looks like Tom Watson, co-founder of Men for Hillary (along with Peter Daou who has since come to his senses and is now an ardent Berner), is running with the story and has jumped on the Warren bandwagon.

I don't think Watson has any fondess for Obama or Biden. And the whole smear job sure seems reminiscent of the stinky politics exemplified by Clinton Inc.'s favorite smear merchant David Brock.

Of course, there is the possibility that the smear campaign was launched to ensure that neither Bernie, Biden or Warren gets the necessary 51% of delegates on the first ballot, thereby allowing for the possibility of Hillary to ride in on her high horse to "unite" the party with the help of the superdelegates on the second ballot.

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@Wally @Wally Check here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1216436379074420738?

But also here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1216541405310525440?

EDIT: and here:

https://mobile.twitter.com/edokeefe/status/1216880585706217473

Seems rather coordinated to me.

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@Dr. John Carpenter

Yea, I saw that Warren bought into the fake news about the canvassing script (of course, who knows if even that was planted by her people?).

But she really, really, really needs to be confronted about the claims from the four staffers about Bernie and her private conversation. Unless I missed something (news keeps breaking fast), it seems she's keeping her mouth shut and not affirming or denying the claims which are obviously nonsense.

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@Wally the Tweet I added was her basically saying it happened but she didn’t want to talk about it. It’s unattributed, so take with a grain of salt, but that’s what I’ve seen. You’re right, this is changing fast but dang does this feel like it was all planned.

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@Wally

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

is gossip not news. Jeebus on a pogo stick how this country has descended to the level of a middle school playground. Yet hardly anyone recognizes it. Present company excepted of course.

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@vtcc73

It's very creepy how many people have just gone along with this new and rather horrendous set of cultural changes.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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It has been shown in polls time and time again that voters have no problem with a woman president. Being female and/or non-white is an asset in a Democratic primary in 2020. One of the main reasons Warren supporters cite for backing her is her gender. It's as disingenuous as saying Paul Tsongas lost the 1992 primary because OMG, America just isn't ready for a Greek Orthodox President!

But right on cue the establishment psychopaths blame the voters when they start to falter. Hillary, Kamala, Cory, Julian, now Liz. How comforting it must be to rationalize your rejection by millions of people as their own fault because they just weren't READY for someone of your stature, depth, and brilliance.

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that people are saying that Warren said to them that Bernie said ... http://archive.today/zhlf7

A schoolyard game of telephone is more reliable than the MSM.

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Liz has been losing steam since the Democratic Debate on October 15. That night we found out that AOC has joined Team Bernie.

Liz's impotent rage and frantic desperation has been visible since and today's polls show Bernie and Biden strong and climbing while Liz and Pete are slipping.

Over is over. Lying and smearing Bernie will not get her a single new vote.

Let me quote Carrie Bradshaw from Sex in the City: "Sometimes you're so over you need a new word for over."

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NYCVG

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@gjohnsit

it probably doesn't mean he's going to lose.

It probably means that the Democrats--who are not do nothings, if only we were so lucky!--are going to set their election fraud machinery to GO.

Bushes can help if there's any problem. They're good with this stuff.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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five to qualify appear to be the remaining plausible contenders for their party’s presidential nomination.

They are former Vice President Joe Biden, ex-Mayor Pete Buttigieg of South Bend, Indiana, and three U.S. senators: Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.

So far so good. And then...

Sanders. He could win, but he’s the least likely of the plausible nominees to actually get to the nomination. He’s a factional candidate, and the process rewards coalition-style candidates. That’s always been the case and still is. He’s the least likely of this group to have party actors coordinate on his behalf if he does move into the lead, and the most likely to confront a real movement to try to stop him. That’s partly because he just hasn’t tried hard to reach out to the rest of the party the way that Warren has, and it’s partly because, regardless of what Sanders and his supporters argue, most party actors think that a self-identified socialist who believes the way to reach out to the electorate is to ignore the ideological middle poses a significant general-election risk.
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@gjohnsit

most party actors think that a self-identified socialist who believes the way to reach out to the electorate is to ignore the ideological middle poses a significant general-election risk.

Do these people just ignore the 92+ million registered voters, that did not vote in 2016?

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@RantingRooster
they either don't care or are too lazy to vote.

That's not my experience. When I talk to non-managerial people who don't vote it's either because both parties suck or they figure the election is rigged.
Blatting about that Joe Biden is the popular choice just reinforces their views and further discourages them from voting. I do know women who voted for HRC for the first time because they wanted a woman President. And black people who voted for Obama for the same reason. I also know black people who followed Illinois politics, didn't like or trust Obama, but voted for him anyway just to have a black President. I don't blame them. If I were black I probably would do the same. I might have voted for Guiliani on that basis if the Dem candidate was not significantly better and I definitely do NOT like Guiliani. How much more powerful the tug for people historically marginalized and held as inferior.

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Sanders-Gabbard 2020 !

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@The Voice In the Wilderness in Texas as a write in candidate, so I said fuck it, I'm not voting for evil or lessor evil, when each fucking are evil.

I was apart of the twitter Op, OpDeny270 , appealing to the presidential electors to cast their vote for Bernie.

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@gjohnsit

Who do we know in the "ideological middle"? Oh, now I remember! Mike Bloomberg!

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@edg

First question: the "middle" of what?

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Yellow stripes and roadkill

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Sanders-Gabbard 2020 !

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@gjohnsit

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

CB's picture

Mike Jordan, Hillary Clinton, Billy Graham, and a young school girl are all on a plane with three parachutes inside. Suddenly, the plane's engine dies. The four begin to debate which person should stay behind and die. Mike Jordan says, "I am a rich sports icon, so I should get to live." He then takes a parachute and jumps off the plane. Hillary Clinton says, "I am the smartest woman in the country, so surely I should get to live." She then grabs a parachute and jumps from the plane. Billy Graham then says to the young school girl, "You have your whole life ahead of you. I am an old man who will probably die soon anyhow. You go ahead and take the last parachute." The school girl then says, "We can both jump. There are still two parachutes left." Billy Graham says, "What do you mean?" The girl then says, "Well, the smartest women in the country grabbed my backpack."

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@CB coffee out the nose funny!

the smartest woman in the country took my back pack.

I actually laughed out loud, Drinks

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Fuck Israel

"Get woke hillbot go broke"

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A PROUD Hillary hater since 1993

SSFPhoenix's picture

Just to add, it seems like somebody planted fake script and used that in the smear.
https://twitter.com/Splatypus76/status/1216543588269666304

https://twitter.com/ericisaac/status/1216445568148480002

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Ever look up at the the stars and wonder "Is there intelligent life out there?"

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@SSFPhoenix

your sig is very funny.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

@SSFPhoenix

Can we just admit that American presidential campaign politics is nothing more than a smear game? Unless your name is Bernie Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard, that is. That's why they get smeared the most, because they do so little smearing of others.

N.B. The truth doesn't count as a smear.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

at 25% or one quarter or lower like in many 2D martial arts fighting video games: Because she is throwing a desperation attack...

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Quick question BTW.

Why is the number in the text linked supposedly to the Warren campaign? Kevin (@reaIKevin) January 13, 2020

Warren's camp caught fabricating texts from Bernie supporters.

The texter's number is from a Warren call hub.

DOH!

This new 'offensive' has all the fingerprints of a David Brock special.

Not quite Casey Champagne level yet, but give them time.

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Peace Sells

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@Not Henry Kissinger

It’s a call center. The two campaigns use the same system.

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We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg

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@Hawkfish

The two campaigns use the same system.

Just makes the Warren self-trolling scenario eminently plausible.

Also, remember when Bernie and Hillary used the same voter outreach system in 2016?

Remember how the Hillbots just couldn't help using the 'shared' system to screw with Bernie?

Like deja vu all over again....

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Bollox Ref's picture

Sanders won comfortably against Warren, 2-1.

Nuff said.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

I think his stardom got away with him ; ).

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@janis b

Fred was all in.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

And you Bollox, are very funny.

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Our Senator, Amy 'Throw the stapler' Klobuchar is running a strong fifth, so Minnesota is very excitedly yawning.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

Elizabeth Warren still continues to consult the would be queen/empress and her clueless lackeys for "advice",

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snoopydawg's picture

The Obama Hillary fights were epic and we haven't seen anything close to them since then. But here's Obama going after Hillary for her Iraq war vote...

...and then he says it shows how she might vote in the future regarding war. Hey wasn't it Obama that took us from 2 to 7 wars? Yes indeedy it 'twas.

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America is a pathetic nation; a fascist state fueled by the greed, malice, and stupidity of her own people.
- strife delivery

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@snoopydawg

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@snoopydawg

It’s about trashing Bernie’s brand. There is this persistent canard that he is egotistical and some kind of evil commie fifth column and this is simply an attempt to build up that narrative.

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- Greta Thunberg

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@Hawkfish

is limited, but even so, I get the sense that ‘egotistical’ is the lable that turns otherwise rational people against him. It’s all orchestrated of course, because that is not true.

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@janis b

Accuse your opponent of your own flaws before he can accuse you of them.

It works particularly well if the person is actually the diametric opposite of whatever flaw you say they have. Then they won't expect the attack and will have formulated no defense. Like Kerry being called a coward in battle. Whatever else Kerry may be, there's nothing wrong with how he did his military service, and he's obviously not a coward. So the Kerry campaign didn't prepare for it. And had no idea how to deal with it, because there is no good way to deal with it, only more or less bad ways.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

@snoopydawg

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Edit/Add:

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@Wally

in current american politics, who has promoted inclusiveness more than Sanders has.

I share the disgust of Shaun King's.

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Wally's picture

@janis b

Looks like even her own supporters realize she royally screwed up:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElizabethWarren/comments/eo7r7k/bernie_sanders_...

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@Wally

The big banks want you to believe that families go broke because they're irresponsible or wasteful. But when I studied why families go broke, I found devastating stories. Lost jobs. A medical crisis. A death in the family. These families don’t need shaming. They need relief.

She would have retained her integrity.

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@Wally
I had respect for her

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essay.
Sanders campaigned hard for a woman for president not so long ago.

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HuffPo's headline

BERNIE, WARREN BATTLE’S BIG WINNER: BIDEN

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@Shahryar to help Donald J. Trump to a second term.

Does anyone here have anything to show otherwise?

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"The financialized economy – including stocks, corporate bonds and real estate – is now booming. Meanwhile, the bulk of the population struggles to meet daily expenses." -- Ellen Brown

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@Cassiodorus

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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Also: expected.

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"The financialized economy – including stocks, corporate bonds and real estate – is now booming. Meanwhile, the bulk of the population struggles to meet daily expenses." -- Ellen Brown

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when...
1. she wouldn't endorse Bernie in 2015/16
2. She didn't support the water Protectors at NoDAPL protests, as Bernie did
3. She was a republican
4. Her DNA test which turn out to be, what less than 1/64th to something like 1/1000th Native American
5. (which I think is most important) when she said "she a capitalist to her bones".

Earth ship to Sen. Warren, Capitalism is killing humanity. Just saying darling....

Drinks

What's the matter Pocahontas, does your vagina feel threaten?

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@RantingRooster
0.1% still shows some ancestry. Mine shows zero.
One part in a thousand is still a possible full blooded ancestor ten generations back, i.e around the 1700-1820. A lot more than people who proudly say they have royal blood because a genealogist traced them back to one of Henry II's many bastards.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness

Actually, a fair number of people can trace their ancestry quite legitimately to Edward III. He had a whole passel of sons and daughters, and there weren't enough other Royals for all of them to marry, so some had to marry a step down...and then the next generation married another step down...and in just a few generations they were marrying untitled gentry, and in one or two more merchants and professionals, and so on.

Edward III has been called "The Father of the English Middle Class", with good reason.

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@TheOtherMaven

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@RantingRooster

because he said we were all capitalists. Yay!

I guess that's enough to bury the hatchet. I mean, yeah, he's an existential threat to our democracy and all, but
Yay capitalism!

And he's a Putin puppet/compromised/Manchurian candidate/mole, but

Yay capitalism!

Also, Yay war! Let's give the existential threat more money in his military budget.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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But now that I know he thinks women can't win, I'm going to vote for Bernie. Because I'm sure he never said any such thing.

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@edg
On top of the dark money/big donors, it's too much. I'm still sure she has a thing about banksters but I cannot vote for her for personality reasons. Policy isn't the only thing to grade a candidate on.
Backtracking on MfA was the first strike. Taking the dark money - strike two.
Lying about the meeting - Strike Three and you're out. VP, whatever you're out. Maybe - just maybe - Secretary of Treasury under Bernie because of the banker enmity. But with a liar, who knows for sure.
I don't agree 100% with Tulsi, but I'm sure she's not a liar. I've met many liars in my life. Half of it I worked in Big Business, the other half for Federal Government. Oh, yeah. I know liars.

Why am I sure that Bernie isn't lying about the meeting? Because it was really dumb thing to say and Bernie isn't dumb. Maybe naive to trust the DNC in 2016, but not stupid.
I listened to Bernie for years on the Thom Hartmann show. Bernie's not dumb.

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her campaign staff went into full Hillaryesque lying smear mode.

I bet you the same people, at least at the upper levels (big donors, Beltway consultants, etc.) are trying to get Warren elected as were trying to get Hillary elected.

Or at least they're trying to make sure she gets the nomination. I don't know whether the big money/big power types want to get a Dem neoliberal into the Oval Office or if they've decided to keep Trump. I can't tell whether the oligarchs like having a Trump villain twirling his mustache and distracting everyone from them and their bullshit, or whether they're still pissed that they got a surprise the day after Election Day last time, probably for the first time in 40 years.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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Warren has a plan for that.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem