Nate Silver now going after Bernie supporters

Nate Silver has been hating on Bernie since 2015, but he's generally held off insulting millions of his supporters until now.

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What a nice, unbiased "numbers guy".

Nate wrote in 2015: Bernie Sanders Could Win Iowa And New Hampshire. Then Lose Everywhere Else.

Last month he wrote this.

Nate Silver, the editor of FiveThirtyEight, descended to psychological babble, assailing Sanders for having a “sense of entitlement,” feeling that “he’s entitled to the nomination this time, and if he doesn’t win, it’s only because ‘the media’/’the establishment’ took it away from him.”

Silver was always biased, but now he's done a Markos. Any credibility he may have once had is gone.

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and a dumbass.... shouldn't he know that with more clowns running this time that the numbers will change? And sheesh..why are people focusing on polls this far out? Thanks, Liz for starting this ridiculous election season so early!

Residue? SMDH. Good thing he's being hammered on this.

I didn't know that Moosetits created the Civics tracker that he has on his website. I wonder how reliable it is? lol

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@snoopydawg moose tits!

What is it with these passé fools like Nate Silver promoting himself on the back of Bernie Sanders? Literally any smear to distract from the bad press ByeDone and Two Faces Warren keep generating.

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maybe we can all him Nate Slither, because he can't seem to stop smarming put of the tall grass to hiss and spit about in a fit of nonsense.

Apologies to real snakes and other wildlife that slithers.

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@Le Frog @Le Frog

as Must-Reads/Listens.

If you haven’t checked out the Citations Needed podcast yet, you really ought to. Two of the brightest journalists of media critique around (including Adam Johnson of FAIR).

Nate Silver and the Crisis of Pundit Brain

Nate Silver tell us Joe Biden’s inconsistent political beliefs are, in fact, a benefit. They’re “his calling card” and evidence he “reads the room pretty well”. Venality, we are told, is “a normal and often successful [mode] for a politician.” Insurgent progressive groups like Justice Democrats shouldn’t call Biden out of touch with the base because, Silver tell us, “only 26 of the 79 candidates it endorsed last year won their primaries, and only 7 of those went on to win the general election.”
On Twitter and his in columns, high-status pundit Nate Silver, has made a career reporting on the polls and insisting he’s just a dispassionate, non-ideological conduit of Cold Hard Facts, just channeling the holy word of data. Empirical journalism, he calls it. But this schtick, however, is very ideological - a reactionary worldview that prioritizes describing the world, rather than changing it. For Silver - and data-fetishists like him - politics is a sport to be gamed, rather than a mechanism for improving people’s lives.
We are joined by Current Affairs editor-in-chief Nathan J. Robinson.

And then the Chapo guys doing what they do best - shredding the whole lame, pathetic Neoliberal cesspool with razor sharp wit, satire and intelligence.

“Our fictional pundit predicted more correct primary results than Nate Silver did”

Virgil Texas to the rescue...

He went from being a hostage of Russian security forces to predicting the exact results of the Iowa presidential caucuses, right down to the third- and fourth-place finishers. He called Bernie Sanders’s upset win in this past week’s Indiana primary, when his competitors all said Hillary Clinton had it locked down. He has correctly predicted the results of 77 out of 87 races in this year’s primaries, an 89 percent accuracy rating that equals that of FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver while tackling nearly twice as many contests.

And he’s a fictional character.

Carl “The Dig” Diggler is a parody of political pundits written by Felix Biederman and me for CAFE. Carl exists to satirize all that is vacuous, elitist and ridiculous about the media class. From his sycophantic love of candidates in uniform to his hatred of Bernie Bros, from his reverence for “the discourse” to his constant threats of suing the people who troll him on Twitter, Carl is predicated on being myopic, vain and — frankly — wrong...

The success of two amateurs writing a fictional pundit who relies on “gut” and bogus “racial science” highlights the collapse of the expert prognosticators this year. For months, professional data journalists at FiveThirtyEight, Vox, the New York Times, et al, proclaimed that Trump and Sanders had no chance. They checked the numbers and reassured readers that the Trump bubble would pop, that Sanders would win two states and then go home.

In particular, Silver, who correctly predicted the results of the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections, enjoys the imprimatur of scientific authority. His site is the grandaddy of a strain of data journalism — er, “empirical journalism” — that insists that hard mathematical analysis is more objective and more accurate than old-school pundits with their capricious instincts. “DataLab,” the name of FiveThirtyEight’s blog, conjures up wonks in white lab coats chalking authoritative equations.

Here’s the Chapo Trap House Reddit thread filled with folks like us.

(Edited to correct the title of the Citations Neded episode)

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THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

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@Mark from Queens

Nate Silver tell us Joe Biden’s inconsistent political beliefs are, in fact, a benefit. They’re “his calling card” and evidence he “reads the room pretty well”. Venality, we are told, is “a normal and often successful [mode] for a politician.”

Or we could say that Joe is a weather vane that points whatever way the wind blows. Just like Her when she was talking to the plebes she was for legislation that would help them, and when talking to the banks and her fellow plebes she was for legislation that would help them.

For Silver - and data-fetishists like him - politics is a sport to be gamed, rather than a mechanism for improving people’s lives.

Gottit Nate. That you think this is acceptable just shows how much you have sold out. Hope it was worth it.

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@Mark from Queens

I don't know if he started out that way, but it's what he is now.

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@Centaurea

Since she is a progressive and all who might threaten the status quo. I think that just proves that no one thinks Warren will do anything she says that she is planning on doing. We know that people who any threat get ignored by the media.

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@Le Frog
"Gnat's Liver"?
"Nail Sliver?"
"Fate Slaver"?
^
the esoteric one; reflects nicely on his presumed status as a 21st-Century Imperial Haruspex

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

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@The Liberal Moonbat

good stuff

https://twitter.com/SilERabbit?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7C...

like this...

Nate's Liver - Commentary
@SilERabbit
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In retrospect "residue" was a bit harsh. "Less important people of a different class" is what I was going for.

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@Shahryar ..."I am not a Twit" - so not particularly, is what I'd say. It seems like I've seen mention of it/links to it before - or maybe I'm thinking of "Andrew Yang's Tie".

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

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Silver was always biased, but now he's done a Markos. Any credibility he may have once had is gone.

Fwoosh!! And down the cosmic drain it goes!

I really have a serious problem with anyone who works for a living wanting milquetoast incrementalists or Clintonian reactionaries in power. This "anyone but Bernie" crap is, well, crap!

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

a candidate's "sense of self entitlement" -- in other words, the moment he stops talking about data -- everything he has to say is presumptuous poppycock.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd

analysis is pretty glaring.

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@UntimelyRippd Silver has believed in his own hype and has crossed the line from any sort of previous credibility into the self entitled void of privilege.

And on top of all this Silver has blocked people from reading responses to his tweets. The privileged establishment, like Nate Silver, are now isolating themselves even further from knowing what the little people actually think. This is arrogance of the highest nature.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

Gee everyone, remember a few years ago when there was this one candidate running for the presidency, and we were all being told to shut up about democratic practices like debates and voting, because she was The One, qualified beyond reproach, who got Things Done? What was her name again? Her Turn, right?

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@Le Frog Spent all of 2016 forecasting that Clinton would win? Then backing off a few days before the election...after all, Clinton only had 270 and losing one state would swing the election...Then she lost Wisconsin and Michigan...

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" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "

@boriscleto forecasting that Trump would never be the nominee and was in a snit about the Trump Bump, and then forecasting that Donald Trump would never be president?

He is on par with a magic 8-ball.

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@Le Frog

He is on par with a magic 8-ball.

I used the magic 8-ball to predict Trump's win in 2016.

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@Pluto's Republic they don't deserve that insult hahahaha!

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@Pluto's Republic

I used the magic 8-ball to predict Trump's win in 2016.

I did it without one, in 2015 at TOP. "If Clinton is the nominee, then Trump will become President."

The only candidate the Dems could run of which that wasn't true was Bernie. Bernie would have mopped the floor with The Donald.

Diablo

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@Le Frog

Try again later.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Answer unclear.

Answer nuclear, did you say? Aaaiieee!!! Run for the basement and say your prayers!!

Oh, wait a minute, you said "Answer unclear."

[Emily Litella voice:] Never mind!

Wink

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

can make me laugh about nuclear war.

(and yes, that is a compliment!)

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Only you can make me laugh about nuclear war.

(and yes, that is a compliment!)

why, thank you! Smile

In my current bed-bound affliction, I have learned that one either (1) laughs at this sort of thing, or (2) it will kill you.

So I opt for (1). Smile

Moreover, growing up where (Colorado Springs, CO) and when (1960s and 1970s) I did, I've had that joke running around in my head since my first Magic 8 Ball.

n.b.: DO NOT attempt to crack the Magic 8 Ball's secrets by disassembling it! The black liquid inside it stains like nobody's business (or at least the 1960s models' liquid did).

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

The black liquid inside it stains like nobody's business (or at least the 1960s models' liquid did).

I bet your Mom was "pleased"

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@Shahryar

boy, that sounds like the voice of experience

The black liquid inside it stains like nobody's business (or at least the 1960s models' liquid did).

I bet your Mom was "pleased"

About as "pleased" as she was when a concoction I made from ordinary culinary items and household cleaning products dissolved the blacktop pavement in the street in front of our house. (To this hour I do not recall what sort of bizarro alchemy I had performed there, but I do know that vinegar and baking soda were involved.)

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

with a former Secretary of State that had served for both a Dem and Repub governor. He is very Dem insider.
He said LOTE is his best vote against Repubs, sort of the party line, especially for minority members. He is Hispanic, did say that demographic had become fed up with Dems, despite Trump.
I told him that the Dem Party had conditioned him, me, et. al, to do LOTE voting. I have decided to condition the Dems to put someone on the ballot who represents me, or I will stay home on election day and reorganize my sock drawer.
We are corresponding about some upcoming travels, so I will eventually get him to discuss the subject of the liberal wing of the party, get his opinions on what is going on.
He is absolutely in the something-is-better-than-nothing camp, but I got the sense that he was a true liberal, wishing for more of that.

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I wanted to point out Dem insiders are like minded, right there with Nate, the crooked and biased pollster.

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Is that like being mucus?

Nice.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

a "residue of what's left?"

Does Nate know what "residue" means?

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--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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I've always liked Zaid's willingness to think out of the box. I don't necessarily agree with all his takes but he sure makes me think with lotsa tweets like this:

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@Wally

I don't necessarily agree with all his takes but he sure makes me think with lotsa tweets like this:

Umm, Wally, no can see the tweet, (Twit -ter strikes again!!)

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

. . . because DuckDuckGo took out twitter embeds. I was able to reset it and get them back.

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@Wally

I was having that problem . . . because DuckDuckGo took out twitter embeds. I was able to reset it and get them back.

All I know is that I still can't see the tweet. And I'm just using c99 itself to read your message.

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides

Whatever browser you use probably controls the twitter embeds. Try clicking the browser icon in the upper right and see if can can finagle turning on the "Show twitter embeds." Alternatively, try to look for and change twitter embed settings in any kind of ad blocking software you might have. I spent a lot of time working this out with Snoopydawg who was very helpful. The change happened for me after a Windows update which somehow managed to change my Duckduckgo settings.

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@Wally 55% of Democrats" shit and just WTF. Are Hillary Clinton voters Injured Timid Forest Creatures who need a hot cup of cocoa and an afghan from the Sanders campaign? How come no one is asking what the message is to ALL Democrat voters when the fucking party leaders put not just a thumb on the scale to tip the balance for Hillary Clinton but dropped an anvil on it in 2016?

Conspiracy theory time, with me and my cats each wearing a tight tinfoil hat while in our underground bunker: Nate Slither is a GOP operative sent to openly mock Democrats under the guise of reading and interpreting polling data and tea leaves.

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@Wally

is that his message doesn't change with his audience.

So his message to the 55% of...whatever (Democratic primary voters who weren't purged off voter rolls or out of the party via an involuntary party registration change?) who voted for Clinton is the same as his message to me.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

What you say about Bernie is spot on but like Jilani, I also have noticed that more than a few of his campaign higherups seem to be doing an IdPol thing by harping on the diversity of Bernie's staff and electoral base. What's important is to win over voters. And that might not be the best way to do it in Iowa and New Hampshire although I don't know if staffers' diversity messaging is overriding Bernie's most excellent same ol' same ol emphasis on class or even getting through to anyone much beyond twitter which course is fine by me.

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and there was a picture of Nate Silver.
Huh.

H/t Can't stop the Macedonian Signal

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@earthling1

Thanks for the h/t

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

What is with these people that they go from reporting the news to wanting to shape it? The whole thing about Nate was that he seemed to be able to put his own prejudices away and accurately report on numbers and trends and all that. I guess that was before he became a member of the 10% pundit class. Luckily for him, he’ll never be made to account for taking a nosedive in accuracy as long as he keeps saying what TPTB want to hear.

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@Dr. John Carpenter Everything is filtered for our own well-being.

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@on the cusp

We just never hear the truth. Everything is filtered for our own well-being.

Tweaked:

"We just never hear the truth. Everything is filtered for our own their [the 1%] well-being."

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"I say enough! If Israel wants to be the only superpower in the Middle East then they can put their own asses on the line and do it themselves. I want to continue to eat."
-- snoopydawg

@thanatokephaloides

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@Dr. John Carpenter

which is Herheinous' 'thingy' Think tank? Whatever it's where Hillary has parked her influence and where Neena Neena hangs out. As does Brainwrap the kos dude that writes a lot about insurance. Guess who else works with her? Marky MarkosMoosetits. Wonder if Her got any roses?

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@Dr. John Carpenter Like the rest of the pundit class, Nate will be well paid for it. It would be interesting to learn just how much it takes for someone like Silver to sell out. My guess is not that much.

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@gulfgal98

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@gulfgal98 I agree, probably not much $$$.
I have a feeling they didn't need to tempt him with money; he was much more motivated by the prospect of being granted a seat at the "cool kids table".
Just my opinion, obviously... but it's certainly as valid as his these days.

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@Richard Steele A pat on the head. A little attention here and there. Boom! Loyalty!

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douchbag shilling for the neoliberal center right!'

Nothing, absolutely nothing that Bernie has said insinuates a sense of entitlement. I now regard Trump as a beacon of truth and accuracy compared to Nate Silver.

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Pluto's Republic's picture

Which of his policies will hurt them personally?

Which of them will hurt society?

Which of Bernies policies is the opposite of what they want for the future of the nation?

Does anyone know?

Without that, it just looks like an ego trip. Or style over substance.

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– Albert Camus

@Pluto's Republic his entire presence is a threat to their cushy existences because:

1. Bernie Sanders is not afraid of them.

2. Bernie Sanders cannot be bought and paid for by special interests.

3. Bernie Sanders is building movements, not just running a campaign.

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@Le Frog

tells the truth.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Pluto's Republic

of which Nate Silver seems to be one, they perceive their livelihoods and upper 10% incomes to be threatened. Not to mention their status, which they've acquired by rubbing elbows with the Beltway "elite".

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~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

@Pluto's Republic his focus on moving money and domestic systems toward benefitting ordinary people has an inherent, though unspoken, corollary. Those resources have got to come from military.

Aside: I can see why he doesn't overtly challenge Empire because he probably still wants to do things for a long while. But you can't get to his policies without reigning war making in. Just seems obvious to me why they want him gone; why he limits his public boldness to domestic matters.

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@jim p unpalatable and is something he plans to roll out during his potential presidency. It's pretty extreme to be the president of America and want to put down the imperialism pipe, regardless of party/ideology, generally speaking.

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@jim p
The military could be run efficiently, and probably more efficiently on maybe one third of it's present budget and be STRONGER.

The DoD budget is just a nest of pork barrel corruption. It's purpose is not to defend the country. It's purpose is not even to run an empire. It's purpose is to be a cash cow for the one percent.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness That even at one-third we'd still be wasting money because the goal remains to have Europe Russia Asia Africa S. America the Islam nations etc etc under our thumb. As to corruption good grief this has been rooted in the military since -- hell, even the Caesars complained about that. There's no program at this point to make it disappear. What's left is to first cut the revenue stream. And that's done by getting legislation buying butter and not guns.

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@jim p
Most liberals were born into safe and comfortable suburban homes. You don't realize that the world is a jungle where you have to fight to survive.
I've been able to give your kind of life to my daughter and grandkids, but I wonder if I really did them a good turn or if they will be destroyed in the holocaust to come because they don't know how to harden their heart and survive.

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@Pluto's Republic are being funded by the oligarchs in exchange for their propping up the status quo.

Bernie and Tulsi are both real threats to the status quo because they both are talking about making systemic changes. Tulsi on foreign policy and regime change wars and Bernie on domestic policy and investing in those of us who consist of the 99%. Both are a real threat to the gravy train which has been siphoning off assets from the people to line the pockets of the banks and the MIC.

Elizabeth Warren pretends to be one of us, but in reality is not going to systemically change things. She is a neoliberal through and through. Yes, she will nibble very lightly around the edges, but she is not a real threat to the oligarch's entrenched power.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

@gulfgal98

Yes, she will nibble very lightly around the edges, but she is not a real threat to the oligarch's entrenched power.

I'd vote for her against Trump. It's not like HRC who was indistinguishable. Half a loaf and all that.

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@gulfgal98
has called for an annual tax on WEALTH, not just income. It is as radical as anything proposed in American public policy in my lifetime, and I didn't miss ratification of the constitution my much.

Elizabeth Warren's willingness to endorse some neoliberals is a strength. If Bernie wins the presidency his movement will force his policies through congress. Don't hold your breath. Bernie will have about 8 members of congress and maybe a senator. Bernie was quite willing to compromise on the campaign rhetoric as mayor. It's that or nothing.

If a few people owe Warren something for campaign visits she might be able to get a bit more. The more you can disagree without being disagreeable, the more you're likely to walk away with.

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@FuturePassed

an annual tax on WEALTH, not just income. It is as radical as anything proposed in American public policy in my lifetime, and I didn't miss ratification of the constitution my much.

I have to grant that it is radical. And 100% certain not to pass.

Elizabeth Warren's willingness to endorse some neoliberals is a strength.

That's wishful thinking at best.

If Bernie wins the presidency his movement will force his policies through congress. Don't hold your breath. Bernie will have about 8 members of congress and maybe a senator.

This is true. Bernie's agenda will be mostly blocked by both Repubs and Dems.

If a few people owe Warren something for campaign visits she might be able to get a bit more.

That's not the way it works. It works in the opposite direction.

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@FuturePassed and his plan goes even further than Warren's.

It irks me to no end that the pundits at the WaPo are saying that Bernie is copying Warren on the wealth tax when the opposite is the case in every Bernie-lite plan Warren has rolled out. Bernie has been proposing a wealth tax since at least 2014.

Further, I do not trust a thing Warren says. Her past actions do not match her rhetoric. And since she is getting advice and counsel from Hillary Clinton, I would imagine she has both a public and a private position on these issues.

We know that Bernie's public position is also his private position. His history and actions back that up.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

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@gulfgal98

. . . took the teeth out if it, but still gets credited by the MSM as being the originator.

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'annoyingness'??

Good grief.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

@Bollox Ref is that his supporters are annoying, but never mind that Sanders is the only candidate running a campaign to speak to every voter regardless of where they are on the spectrum? But sure, let's get that Basket of Deplorables out and start filling it up again. I remember when President Hillary Clinton told people to stop insulting other people for who they supported and how ran on principles of outreach and inclusion... oh, wait a minute...

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@Le Frog

"His supporters are annoying."
"His supporters are misogynistic."
"His supporters are racist."
"His supporters are mean to me.
"His supporters are...."

How silly is that to support and want MFA, increased minimum wage and the other things he's offering, but you won't vote for him because someone was mean to you on Twitter? This has to be dumbest meme ever!

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@Bollox Ref

Jesus wept.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
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in 2016 he's bad because too many white people like him. Now he's bad because not enough white people like him.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal come back to him, it'll be that it's a too-cluttered mix of people.

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@jim p

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

Nate Silver is an insiders kind of source anyway. What is much more of a concern is the slant given by media, the three biggies of regular TV and the cables CNN and MSNBC. Sanders doesn't get the mentions and I'm sure it does him no good. Ultimately one needs airtime for Super Tuesday and voters who haven't been following things closely but none the less vote.

I listen to a Sanders interview or speach about once every couple few months. He doesn't change much. He probably scares the bejesus out of a lot of the entitled set in both parties.

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is Silver genuinely saying that reporters and, uh, experts like himself won't say that Bernie's campaign isn't going well...for fear of what Bernie's supporters will say to them on Twitter?

In some way, this represents a nadir in both American journalism and politics. There's a buffet of loathsomeness in that comment. As Kate sometimes says, it's a 7-layer shit dip.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Twitter apparently just introduced a new functionality allowing Twitter users to remove from public view ("hide") any replies to their tweets that they don't like.

Here's what Caity Johnstone says about it. She starts out by referring to Nate Silver's "annoyingness" tweet, and then goes on:

We’ve been seeing many such complaints from elitists of the political/media class about the way Twitter’s somewhat egalitarian structure allows ordinary citizens to effectively criticize their posts, and it’s been growing louder and louder in recent years.
[...]

This ongoing meltdown by elitist narrative managers over the fact that mere commoners now dare address them in public without reverence and respect is the result of the novel nature of this dynamic. It used to be that the unwashed masses were kept quarantined from the narrative makers of the plutocratic media; they’d stay safely insulated among their own kind and they’d tell the rabble what to think from behind a wall of inaccessibility. Now if you’re in politics or media you’re expected to maintain a social media profile so that potential future employers can see what a good establishment lackey you are, but this new dynamic is clashing with the surging western populist movements who have an ever diminishing respect for that same establishment.
[...]

You can tell the [new "hide replies"] function is designed to appease the elitists of the political/media class by those who are happy about it, like the president of the Center for American Progress think tank Neera Tanden, who spends much of her time on Twitter smearing everyone to the left of Elizabeth Warren and tweeted “This is great” in response to the news about the “hide replies” function. 

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/twitters-hide-replies-function-serves...

Personally, I think that Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey may have just killed off Twitter by doing this. All you'll see now is a bunch of narcissists showing off and their admirers expressing adoration.

Oh, well.

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"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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@Centaurea

Twitter apparently just introduced a new functionality allowing Twitter users to remove from public view ("hide") any replies to their tweets that they don't like.

I think that Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey may have just killed off Twitter by doing this.

Fingers crossed here.

I'm not at all convinced the world is a better place due to the existence of Twitter ... or Facebook either, for that matter.

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@travelerxxx

I'm not at all convinced the world is a better place due to the existence of Twitter ... or Facebook either, for that matter.

I'm convinced of the exact opposite: that the world would be a better place if Facebook and Twitter had never been created at all.

Diablo

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-- snoopydawg

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@thanatokephaloides If Ray Bradbury and Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. (who both lived to see the rise of the Internet and despised it from the start) were alive today, they'd likely be personally masterminding a 21st-Century "Gunpowder Plot" against The Borg The Matrix Yevo the Beast With A Billion Backs Twitter.

Funny thing: I guesstimated a few years back that the Internet 'peaked' in 2005...and that was BEFORE I learned that both Gog and Magog made their debut in 2006.

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In the Land of the Blind, the one-eyed man is declared insane when he speaks of colors.

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@travelerxxx definitely has its place. I find great value with Twitter which I use as a sort of headline news and messaging system for me. What ever happens, it will probably appear first via Twitter, including the publication of new articles by some of my favorite writers. Like any media form, it can be a messy quagmire or it can have some value depending upon how the user decides to use it and depending upon who you choose to follow.

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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." John F Kennedy

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@Centaurea

Ole Nate weighed in after his residue remark:

“I honestly think the annoyingness of a certain candidate’s supporters on Twitter prevents other reporters/analysts from pointing out that said candidate’s campaign obviously isn’t going that well,” griped the popular statistician/establishment narrative manager Nate Silver on Twitter today, following angry backlash from American progressives for a controversial racially charged tweet a few hours earlier in which he referred to Bernie Sanders’ diverse base as “residue”.

Gee which candidate is he talking about here? Does he think only Bernie's supporters are mean to people on Twitter? Guess he hasn't seen the cat fights between Warren and Kambama's supporters? Well I have and some of the responses are down right nasty! I'll try to find some examples. This goes back to my previous comment..."Mom! A Bernie supporter is being mean to me again!" Good grief. What's next? Oh I know. Lots of Bernie's supporters are having trouble seeing the responses to their tweets or they keep having their followers erased. I haven't been paying much attention to this, but now I see what I've been reading.

This guy nails

Heh

If you think that is great, just wait until Bernie Sanders is president and everyone has health care.

You going to hide all the replies that remind everyone you're a union buster?

This...

Not necessarily. I know a ton of resistance accounts that have been hit with Reply Deboosting. Basically, for non followers to be able to see your replies, they would need to click on "see more replies" at the bottom of all your replies. Really limits reach.

Thanks for the Caitlin essay!

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@snoopydawg

Apparently Liz and Kambama went to the LGBT forum and some people didn't like the way questions were asked of the candidates. Both women didn't support transgendered folks a few years ago, but both have apparently evolved on the issue. You need to read the DK diary on this if you want to get the drift. This woman also asked ByeDone about the time he said Pence is a decent guy.

Remember that Kambama was the attorney general for California and she ran on being a progressive and would make people's lives better if she won, but then she pulled an Obama and did some horrible things that are now being whitewashed by her supporters which many are POC which I do not understand.

"Black Blue Check women are Happy Warren called and/or met with them when she was running for president. They’ll excuse anything on her behalf and bending in pretzels just for a pat on the head."

"They *need* to give us receipts about specific actions Liz has taken, but *cricket noises* instead.
Way to downplay the attorney with a proven track record on LGBTIAQ+ rights."

"
2 Questions:
1. Why is it ok that EW talks abt an issue she doesn’t even have a prelim plan for?
2. Why is this person trying to divide the LGBTQ community like that, when hate crimes against our community are going up across the board"

Liz said...word salad... that she wasn't pleased with some of his policies and attitudes towards LGBT and on other issues, but he told her a sack of lies so she voted to confirm him. She also said that she did because Trump might appoint someone worse! Sure Liz. HUD has been attacked for decades, but of course you have a plan for that.

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I see you for who you are.

Liz Warren Unveils Plan to ‘End Lobbying as We Know It’ – One Day Later, She Hires a Lobbyist

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren hired a Planned Parenthood lobbyist to a key role in her presidential campaign Tuesday, just one day after Warren announced a plan that would “end lobbying as we know it.”

Warren unveiled an anti-corruption plan Monday that would introduce a “cooling off” period for lobbyists before they can serve in government roles and would prohibit active lobbyists from donating to political campaigns, a practice Warren called “legalized bribery.”

“The fundamental promise of our democracy is that every voice matters,” Warren’s plan states. “But when lobbyists and big corporations can buy influence from politicians, that promise is broken. The first thing to do to fix it is to end lobbying as we know it.”

Hey...didn't Obama run on closing the revolving door between lobbyists and government appointments? Why yes he did indeed do that. If you're going back on your campaign promises before you even take office."

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One person noted that Bernie's record on LGBT has been consistent and positive hie entire career. But of course someone had to throw in that he's not a f'cking democrat!

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@snoopydawg

Warren unveiled an anti-corruption plan Monday that would introduce a “cooling off” period for lobbyists before they can serve in government roles 

I wonder how long a cooling off period she's thinking about?

I vote for "forever".

That would rid us of a lot of corrupt politicians, present and future.

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~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

@Centaurea
And I'll support "No one from Goldman-Sachs ever gets a Treasury job in their life."

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@snoopydawg

again. And why not? This fake "I am going to be the prosecutor who works to decrease putting people in prison for little things" worked out so well for her last time.

BTW everything Tulsi said about Kambama's record was false don't you know and was being pushed by Russian bots and trolls. Yeah sure. Let's just blame them instead of doing the hard work and actually looking at her record which is very easy to find online. Search Harris was a cop and see what you find.

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@snoopydawg

One person noted that Bernie's record on LGBT has been consistent and positive hie entire career. But of course someone had to throw in that he's not a f'cking democrat!

Repeat after me:

Reading Kos will rot your brain.....
Reading Kos will rot your brain.....
Reading Kos will rot your brain.....
Reading Kos will rot your brain.....

Biggrin

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-- snoopydawg

@thanatokephaloides
And I don't think Bernie was ever a "Goldwater Girl" like Her Heinous.

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@thanatokephaloides

The anti Bernie squad loves to remind people that he's not a democrat dammit!

He's much more a democrat than Manchin, Jones and every other blue Dawg democrat. But shsss...Manchin voted for Kavanaugh which was okay for some reason. Susan Collins also voted for him, but that was different because.....????..... reasons I guess. Hey. Isn't that considered sexist if they call out the woman for doing that, but not the man? Manchin had to do so that he could get reelected and he is the best democrats can do in Virginia because it's such a red state and his seat gives democrats the majority when they win. I just don't see this as an advantage when he votes with republicans on bills that democrats say they try to block.

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@snoopydawg

The anti Bernie squad loves to remind people that he's not a democrat dammit!

That's one of the good things about him, IMO.

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They get people debating whether they should elect a crook in a red hat or a crook in a blue hat, rather than whether or not they should be forced to elect crooks. -Caitlin Johnstone

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@snoopydawg

sounds like one more version of shadowbanning.

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Actually, the issue at stake is patriotism. You must return to your world and put an end to the Commies. All it takes are a few good men.
--Q

Exit polls not involving George W. Bush or Hillary Clinton tend to be quite accurate.
--Doug Hatlem

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