@Shahryar

I read the second diary on it last night and couldn't believe how many people said that he didn't say what everyone thinks he said. The first diary got deleted and the person who wrote it got put in DK jail. But it got worse. If it wasn't what he actually meant it was Russian bots trying to do what they always do..or...

One last point, did you ever stop and realize that for some reason when these “incidents” occur, it’s ALWAYS Sanders or Sanders supporters that are in the middle of everything?

Why is that?

Yep. It's Bernie's supporter's fault!

Armando blocked me years ago and it looks like it has transferred over to his new name. Lots of people said they were blocked, but had never tried reading his tweets before.

In case anyone wants to know what Armando looks like..

Arrogance times 10! I thought he'd be taller.

"it's just Armando"
"he meant something else"
"it's the Bernie Bros fault"

@jbob

It doesn't effing matter what happens at TOP Why do people still act like it does?

It wasn't that long ago that Daily Kos was considered the "official" voice of the American Progressive Left. And it still is in certain mis-informed quarters. Thus, simply "letting it go" isn't an option, just like merely ignoring the sell-out of the Democratic Party isn't an option. These are "eternal vigilance" situations, at least until the organizations in question are reliably and verifiably dead.

You don't have to read these essays, please remember.

And when a serious corporatist belittler of progressive ideas and their proponents, like Armando, gets The Boot, there's a tasty sauce to go along with our dish of vigilance. That sauce's name is German, and the German term is what it is known by in almost every tongue on Earth:

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fzXL3uc1s]

Why do people still act like it does? They are a small bunch of people who like to be in a group of like minded non-thinkers. It's just more of the same crap. Let it go!

@HenryAWallace

and as for giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't actually mean what he meant is because you don't know his history as you admit.

I have no idea who Armando is or what he is like.

I don't care if he didn't mean what he wrote, it was the way he wrote it and it is his long history of writing things that way. Armando has been banned up to 5 times previously because he couldn't stop being a dick to anyone who disagreed with him. So he wasn't just banned before he could have been asked what he really meant and just arbitrarily. Armando has shown who he was long before he posted that tweet.

Armando (whom I don't know from a hole in the wall, btw) said Turner fucked Sanders. He has said elsewhere that he meant in the sense of "fucked him over), though he paid her to represent him. As in,

"Did Turner represent Sanders well?"

"No, she screwed him." or "No, she fucked him."

However, KOS apparently took it as an anti female, prostitution related comment and banned him.

Seems to me that either interpretation is possible. So, why are we assuming that the banning by KOS was justified? Did KOS eve ask him what he meant before banning him? I would hope someone would do that here before banning me, if, after a number of years, I posted something that could be construed as sexist or not. If KOS, why didn't KOS take the word of their long-time, loyal flunkie? Did he have a history of sexist remarks, disrespectful to women?

I don't get it.

@Mark from Queens

He workers at a law firm that defends some of the sleaziest corporations on the planet. I read about his history on the way of the bern in the Armando tweet thread and the person who wrote the comment said that he got banned from DK when he outed who Armando was behind his mask. Made me wonder why Kos had him on his staff in the first place?

Sleazy bastards like Rahm Emanuel and the rest of the reprehensible Vichy accommodators whose mortal fear of derailing the status quo far exceeds their will to participate in a true democracy are the real reason why the Republican menace has been running roughshod and is hell bent on unleashing their jack-booted armies of brownshirted thugs….there is no fucking opposition!

Amen to this. This became clear once Obama took office and non of the Bush policies went away including the illegal spying that Obama put on steroids and not allowing the Patriot act and the Bush tax cuts to expire like they were meant to.

he, Armstrong and others were just lucky to be the sounding board in the time of the Great Reptublican Idiot.

And then it became obvious that it was selective outrage during Obama's tenure. And again during the last election when writing about Hillary's abhorrent history was considered right wing talking points. Expose the witch behind the folksie charm and boom you're gone.

Great additions to this thread, Mark. And as always it's good to see you.

Sadly Maryscott O’Connor has gone all in on Russsiaaa Russiaaa......

Haven't checked its veracity.
But maybe someone could who has the time and could also give him a piece of their mind?

When he's not hurling racist misogyny, he's very busy doing God's Work, such as "...representing such larger clients as Wal Mart, Shell, and Unilever"

This is the face of Daily Kos, once you rip away the "Progressive" mask. pic.twitter.com/GgI3Z7tUbi

— A Peter Of Color (@WamsuttaLives) August 22, 2019

From "The Great American Lemming Farm: Dispatches from the frontlines of a rotting empire" comes this, "KOSFEST and The ‘New Rush’ (published in 2005, possibly?):

During the Kosapalooza lovefest the great one himself stood atop the dais, it was as though the savior himself was ascending the mount, the fingers of his apostles went flying in unison to their laptop keyboards, the noise was overwhelming, like that of the clacking mandibles of an advancing army of dung beetles. This was Markos Moulitsas Zuniga’s coming out party, on Friday morning he achieved crossover appeal from notorious mockingbird Howard Kurtz’ Media Notes column in the Washington Post to E.J. Dionne Jr.’s latest piece The Rise Of Kos where he was essentially proclaimed to be the ‘new Rush Limbaugh’. While I certainly would not be pleased to be compared to a racist, misogynist, drug addled, thrice divorced pig who can’t get a hard on without pharmaceutical assistance and whose sex tourist soirees of vile debauchery through the fleshpots and brothels of the Dominican Republic hardly make him a champion of ‘values’ I am sure that Zuniga is cackling with glee all the way to the bank and enjoying his moment in the spotlight as the Dems make their pilgrimage to kiss his ring. I do however give the devil his due for planting a gigantic bug up the ass of the state sponsored neocon FOX network’s chief fascist blowhard Bill O’Reilly...

I have my own documented history of problems with Zuniga and Daily Kos, many are personal and the others are because I detest electoral politics, censorship sucking up to candidates to curry favoritism at the expense of ideology or a unifying mission to take back this country from the war pigs, Social Darwinists and Rapture freaks who have taken it hostage but as the saying goes, nothing unites like a common enemy and I would encourage everybody to take some shots of their own at that loudmouthed prick O’Reilly as well as the rest of the Republican noise machine moonbats to take their raving, anti-American asses down a peg or three. It’s time for total war against the fifth columnist filth that has polluted the airwaves in this country for far too long with their Gestapo tactics and uncanny ability to rouse the rabble.

And another, "Blogswarmed by Cyber Stalin’s Soldiers of Orange":

Over the weekend a balls nasty napalm flaming hot civil war broke out at hallowed liberal blog Daily Kos and spilled over onto the much more open to free speeech (and more respectful in general) My Left Wing over a highly controversial post by an influential (and might I add absolutely correct) voice and it was ugly.

The opening salvo by longtime contributor Maryscott O’Connor started out with:
“Sometimes I am embarrassed to call myself a member of DKos.

This is one of those times.

There is a sort of groupthink, Lord of the Flies kind of behaviour at DKos over certain issues that absolutely makes me nauseated.”

The author, an outstanding writer in her own right went on to call into question the behavior of many of the members of the hottest left wing blog going regarding their witch hunt mentality (personally I compare it a drunken lynch mob fired up by some ranting demagogue in a beer hall) and crushing of certain dissenting opinions. The treatment by the head honcho toward the Democratic Party’s sacrifice of Paul Hackett was also addressed and it sent shock waves reverberating throughout the Kos-O-Sphere. I wrote a piece back when Hackett was thrown under the bus by the slimy corporate fucks in the DLC and believe me, it still makes me want to throw up. Sleazy bastards like Rahm Emanuel and the rest of the reprehensible Vichy accommodators whose mortal fear of derailing the status quo far exceeds their will to participate in a true democracy are the real reason why the Republican menace has been running roughshod and is hell bent on unleashing their jack-booted armies of brownshirted thugs….there is no fucking opposition! The DLC sold out the working class long ago and until there is a serious move by the Democrats and their progressive mouthpieces to address this we will forever be trapped in an endless cycle of “GOD, GAYS & GUNS” and other inflammatory social issues that distract from the looting and crushing of dissenters.

That being said, the shit hit the fan on DK and the fan was on high sparing nobody from getting showered by the spray. The mindless rush to attack the messenger reminded me of nothing short than the Bushist Gestapo pouring out of their megachurches after a particularly ‘uplifting’ Hellfire and Brimstone anti-liberal sermon, the loyalty as intense as the dumb bastards stormed the beaches oblivious to the thundering artillery and whithering machine gun fire in order to wage total war for their leader even if they are cut to pieces in the process.

“Dkos is rotten through and through. If you cannot smell that,.,..after the refusal to allow posts about the election fraud, after the pie fight brouhaha, the July 4th masscre/tinfoil hat thing, the gradual diminutiion of intelligence in most of the posts and comments and the concomitant ascendency of some sort of pack mind there, the tacit acceptance of the reign of cyberbullies like DHinMI and HIS blogmates, the various tactical shuffles of the leadership in an attempt to stay…stay WHAT, exactly, other than totally false…the disastrous symbolic choice of Las Vegas (The absolute WORST symbol of the corporate Disneyfication of America that could have possibly been chosen as a place to have a left wing meeting here in MediAmerica, 2006.), the ummasking of Armando as a conscienceless and aggressively unapologetic lawyer for the DisneyCorpse-ish motherfuckers that are turning this nation into a population of mindless, TV addicted serfs, let ALONE the “appearance of impropriety” in the buddy buddy, wink-wink/nudge-nudge support/non-support of Warner…

There's more of this excellent shredding:

"Dkos is just at a certain level in the evolution of organization. It is the nature of organization, and MLWers will have to work very hard to keep it from happening to that extent here. But, that would be the exception to the general rule. There will be a hierarcy, intolerance of independent thought, group think, and purging, purging, purging. It’s happened in every liberal organization to which I’ve ever belonged, and it’s fucking depressing. Liberals tend to become fascistic in their own little fiefdoms. Liberals eat their young.”

Meet the new boss…..same as the old boss!

“Agree with all comments except… the “influence” of the mighty Kos monster is still very presumptive, and very much in doubt…and frankly always will be…how do you verify his influence at the polls? I mean, Bush has been a much greater force for coalescing the reactive Democratic movement than Kos. As MSOC said, he, Armstrong and others were just lucky to be the sounding board in the time of the Great Reptublican Idiot.

Sure, if the Dems win something he can TAKE credit, but is it really his to take?

The liberal blogosphere is a great sounding board for the “disadvantaged”, but its still nothing more than a reactionary liberal chat room with fascist tendencies…well DKos has apparently slipped into full blown cyber fascism, apparently…this site and nowhere excepted.

Thanks MSOC for being reborn and keeping it real for a few of us, at least! I remember well your days of consciousness raised at the Kos.”

Then,

As long as you have pathological assholes like Armando donning his Hitler hat and his lackeys and ilk controlling the discourse this is sadly coming true. Need of mainstream acceptance leads to self-censorship and agendas. As far as cred, hey show me some fucking electoral success instead of a lot of yappy, self-centered yada and sanctimonious bullshit and you’ll get my respect……I’m waiting! Absent winning shy don’t you get busy in advocating for some fucking social justice in this country, take on the class war…..the little guys are getting their asses kicked on a daily basis while you people are more interested in puppy love and humping the leg of whichever Democratic Party charlatan happens to be serving free booze.
And Finally A Little Love:
“Thank you MSOC for this diary. It gave me the opportunity I needed to say my piece about the lynching of Edencho on dkos by Armando. The reason I am so angry about it still is because I was stupid enough to listen to him. I gave him authority he didn’t have, and I have been chewing on this ever since. You gave me the opportunity to say my piece without ending up in dkos’ troll heaven. I absolutely agree about the persecution hysteria at dkos, and I wonder about the mental health/maturity of some of the people there.

Thank you, again, for opening the door for me.”