Let's Give Immigrants (of any type - legal, illegal)

from Mexico and further south what they really want. This happened in my state of Colorado.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/colorado-protestors-rip-down-american-flag-at...

I propose that we return to Mexico all the southwestern and western states that they want. No, I'm not pulling a Jonathan Smith Swift- A Modest Proposal. I am serious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_(Mexico)

Then maybe everyone would be happy and we could quit arguing about immigrants, illegal immigrants, or whatever immigrants.

I'm curious. If we did this, would you stay in your state or move to the new reconfigured US? I would move; anybody whose seen my posts here know that I love and revere the Constitution, and I wouldn't want to live under Mexico's laws.

IMO, I believe this is where some chunk of the US will eventually end up anyway.

Gotta go grocery shopping before the crowds get going.

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@dkmich

Who have integrity and passion, this story might appeal to you. I know I found it very appealing. Smile

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@dkmich

In a good way? Lol.

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They have to bow to monarchy after it's over.

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@Anja Geitz
and probably won't until it makes its way to netflix.

My brain, which once upon a thing was a pretty remarkable thing (i mean, beyond the mere remarkability of all human brains) has begun the long sick slide into inevitable slack infirmity. The new season of Black Spot (a bizarre translation of the original French,
"Zone Blanche") came out, and I discovered that, even with the usual "previously" recap, I had no idea what had happened in the first season. I mean ... no idea. I had to watch it all over again. The denouement was just as surprising the second time around.

I like Poldark, if you're looking for soapy British period dramas (1780s and onward). No kilts, I'm afraid, but Aidan Turner takes off his shirt now and then. Something curious about it to me, or annoying, or something is that -- shades of Marianne vs Ginger -- we're all supposed to believe that the character Elizabeth (or actress, for that matter) is substantially more beautiful than the character Demelza (or actress, for that matter). Well, look, I realize that beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, and that it is culturally constructed, but it still ... itches ... when I'm watching British drama. Who in the fucking world thinks that Mary, not Sybil, was the loveliest of the three Crawley daughters? Their taste is so very, very different from mine that I have to do a whole suspension of disbelief thing to be able to relate to the way the female characters are treated by those around them, men and women alike.

BTW, wikipedia sez:

While the original French series title is Zone Blanche, which literally translates to English as "white zone," "white area," or "white region," it is actually an expression meant to refer to a "dead zone," which describes the cellular dead zone of the setting.

I guess they couldn't use "The Dead Zone" (I mean they could, i once read that you can't copyright a title, but why confuse your audience), but substituting a phrase that means nothing at all in English, unless you happen to have read Treasure Island, is a very strange choice. I don't understand why they cannot get these things right. Many years ago, there was a critically-acclaimed French movie about a woman who earns a living providing abortions in her kitchen. The French title of the movie is Une affaire des femmes. This was translated for the subtitled release as Story of Women. Huh? Where did the indefinite article go? Okay, I guess. Maybe. Or not, as it turns out, because in the middle of the movie there's a moment when the abortionist's gentleman friend is sitting with her young son, who wants to know what's going on in the kitchen, and the guy says, C'est une affaire des femmes. In other words: It's Women's Business. (Girl Stuff, as we might say nowadays, in counterpoint to Guy Stuff.) The name of the damned movie was, Women's Business. If you really wanted to be clever, you could translate it as, A Woman's Business -- which in the movie, it literally was. What. The. Fuck? Do they translate this stuff by throwing darts at the French-English dictionary entries for the individual words?

It's too damned hot, I have so much yard work to do, and by the time it's cool enough to go do it, the mosquitoes will be too fierce even for me, and that's sayin' something.

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Especially Demelza. Her character is so strong and smart after being raised poor and by her father. So many times I want to wipe that smug look off George's face and Elizabeth needs a spine. This will be the last season for it. I'm rewatching it from the beginning.

Can't get into Outlander both the show and the book. I've mentioned Line of Duty before but in case anyone is looking for a great show this is it. It keeps you guessing all the way to the end of the season. I have been wrong every time on knowing who the bad guy was.

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@snoopydawg
the bits where Demelza sings at parties or to her kids etc.

She put out an album last year, but I don't particularly like it -- I think it's horribly produced. Nonetheless, the folk songs she performs on Poldark are haunting.

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fuckin christ on a crispie cracker with fresh mozzarella and maybe a really thin slice of heirloom tomato, the temperature finally sank down into the low gazillions, so i went out and braved the elements to bring in the (inevitably, now-redampened) laundry, which i managed despite the incessant drone and merciless assault of an infinite air force of the worst creatures on god's great green earth, and now i'm back inside contemplating all the other outside things that should've happened today but could not, and for company i've got about 97,000 mosquitoes that came inside with me.

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But that really did make me LOL.

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but only until I let my guard down.

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That sounds promising....

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Not only was she petty and mean-spirited in the beginning of the series, there was nothing terribly remarkable about her character, or her looks. A dry piece of white toast is what her character reminded me of. Maybe it is an English thing? But, yeah, Sybil's spunk and kindness, (and looks) were much more interesting.

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@Anja Geitz on the content of the diary instead of a snotty comment?

It is certainly within the realm of possibilities that countries' boundaries can change, and countries can sell, purchase, and bargain about territory. It has happened a couple of times in the past, you know.

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@hecate My fingers will do their own thing sometimes. I wiki'd to make sure I spelled the Jon part correctly, so I had his name right in front of me.

@Anja Geitz Thanks for catching.

Hmmmm, should I edit? It is rather funny.

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taking the essay seriously.

We're sitting on a power keg, and everyone wants to pretend nothing is happening.

I hope I am wrong.

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@dfarrah
You asked in a comment above where people think “this is all headed.” This is my answer. Seriously.

I think people will grow frontal lobes. And understand that phantasms like “nations” and “borders” do not exist. But human beings do. And that free human beings, alive on this earth: go where thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law.

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@hecate But they do exist. Nations have existed since ancient Egypt and ancient China. Why is that? Because "nationhood" gives people the much desired sense of belonging to something larger than themselves. This is similar to reasoning by which people believe in God(s). The concept of nation fulfills human wants, which are easy to conceive once a person realizes that people wish to belong to something greater than themselves. This has nothing to do with frontal lobe development, by which maturation, humans supposedly derive a social conscience.

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@Alligator Ed
Open a history book. You'll learn that the notion of the nation-state only came into being with Jeannette the vision girl and her concept of "France." Too, your Orwell will tell you that even in the early years of the 20th Century people largely traveled without passports or other such encumbrances throughout all of Europe and environs, even into nations with which their own were then at war. At the same time, the US-Mexico border was so nebulous that people in some towns did not know exactly which country they might be located in. This obsessive fetishism about nations and borders is a relatively recent development in human affairs, and is throughly retrograde. Nations and borders are aberrant group agreements that exist only in the minds of extremely primitive larval ur-humans, like that knuckledragger in the White Power House, and the backwards-penis hippo Vladimir Putin, with his ceaseless weeping about shit-made-up "ethnic Russians," as he meanwhile howls like a Falwell about "biblical values" and "family values," and quakes in the closet "that children can play five or six gender roles." The complete ludicrosity of borders is fully on display at Four Corners, where one may be, and all at the same time, in "Arizona," "Colorado," "New Mexico," and "Utah." You are right that people belong to something larger than themselves, and that is all of existence, and all of non-existence, as well. And any and all separateness, in that, is false.

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to provide a background lecture trying to explain that nationalism is a pretty recent concept -- a weird extension of the much smaller-scale tribalisms of our ancestors, writ way large by the magic of improved systems of communication, transportation, and accounting that permit a very, very small group of people to declare themselves the bosses of a very, very large group of people, and then persuade that large group of people that we have, indeed, always been Oceania, and we will always be at war with Eastasia.

even our own nation state was only barely that, prior to the Civil War. back in the day, most "Americans" thought of themselves first as citizens of their home state, and secondarily as citizens of The United States of America.

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@hecate Have you forgotten the city-states of ancient Greece? Probably, because that won't fit your narrative. Wherever divisions may have arisen--they HAVE arisen. It is a natural human tendency, call it innate tribalism if you will. By objectifying something with a name (deleterious in your opinion) does not make that thing, in this case Nationalism, any less real.

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@Alligator Ed
are distinguishable from nation-states, as anyone who has ever once entered history knows. As tribalism, is further distinguishable.

Nationalism is definitely real, in the sense that it is a murderous degenerate brain-syphilis at present ravaging the planet. But it is in its last throes. It will soon be over now.

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@hecate think tribalism is?

As populations grew and societies became more complex, of course tribalism was going to expand into what it is today, and people were going to carve everything up like they have.

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and a nation state?

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@Alligator Ed

Have you forgotten the city-states of ancient Greece?

And another little ditty named Senatus Populusque Romanorum (S.P.Q.R.) comes readily to mind, too!

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@thanatokephaloides Refusal to see real world trends over millennia--yes, millennia--srtrikes me as either willful blindness or severe disingenuousness. The intended recipient of my commentary and deluded utopian-seeking fellow travelers, seems to resist the concept that human beings are posessed of both good and not-good parts. The meaning of utopia is a counter-tautology: wrong on the face of it. No, this is not a matter of logic. This is a matter of human behavior, both applied individually and to larger groups.

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The complete ludicrosity of borders is fully on display at Four Corners, where one may be, and all at the same time, in "Arizona," "Colorado," "New Mexico," and "Utah."

That's "New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, and Civilization", if you don't mind! Biggrin

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@thanatokephaloides to jump around into different states.

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@hecate
that poor wee Jeanne, though clearly some kind of authentic genius (we're talking about a peasant teenager who supposedly went toe-to-toe with religious inquisitors on matters of dogma, scripture and faith), was a cruel religious fanatic -- exactly the sort of character typically responsible for igniting the beacon of delusional chauvinism and xenophobia.

How odd that she was, in the end, put to death for wearing men's clothes.

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@UntimelyRippd you mean exactly by "authentic genius" -- as in organic? As Bill Shakespeare supposedly was (speaking of genius which appears to come out of nowhere and makes no logical sense ...)

Jeanne d'Arc always claimed, iirc, that she was guided by the inner "voices of the angels" coming through to her, telling her what to say at each important stage.

I'm not sure what to make of all this, except if we allow for homegrown genius we also have to factor in homegrown insanity.

Just a sidebar to your sidebar.

Btw, did we all agree that it is ok to unload Texas to the Mexicans?

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labeled "genius" these days -- usually because they know a bit about computers or a bit about math or some middling amount about both, and they made a boatload of money -- Jeanne d'Arc clearly had a very remarkable brain.

I don't know about Willie. I used to be very much on his side, but I've been reading more and more that has me starting to lean towards the, "He wasn't actually the guy who wrote that stuff," camp. The author might have been a lady, even. I doubt we'll ever know, though.

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@UntimelyRippd you might be interested in the most complete and devastating argument against his authorship and in favor of Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford. The book, a massive tome for sure, is by Charlton Ogburn, The Mysterious William Shakespeare, from several decades ago. He demolishes the hoary fairy tale of Bill Shakespeare and nails it for Eddie, picking up on the work his parents had done on the case for many years. Unfortunately, the establishment wall built around the Shakespeare myth (aided and abetted by the academics) has been very strong, although some cracks have appeared in recent times.

As for Jeannie, I'm unfamiliar with any book or study which can plausibly account for her "genius", or occasional genius, or situational genius as I might see it. Because, as I recall the accounts of her life, her genius suddenly disappeared the moment the voices in her head went away, and this doesn't seem to be the way we understand genius, which is there always, sometimes in burdensome ways.

There is however one other similar example, sort of, in the double genius of William Blake, who claimed he got some of his poetry from "voices of the angels" in his head. Sometimes, he claimed, he would actually carry on a conversation with said voices, disagreeing at times with their poetic suggestions. Blake also said that he got his very detailed formula for mass production of color prints of his books of illustrated poetry from a dream in which his deceased brother appeared and laid out the detailed, technical process.

Strange indeed. But Blake's creative genius was always there, perhaps supplemented by these voices. With Jeanne, I think she was just an ordinary teen girl until the voices came through.

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@hecate People have always set boundaries of some sort everywhere.

We are territorial just like all non-people. It is a natural state of existence.

Oh, are you one of the people who think the Lion King movie is fascist? What a joke.

Try as they may, unless people do away with nature itself, hierarchies and territories will always exist.

Maybe you should go into the eugenics business and delete all of the natural genetic material that bothers you.

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@dfarrah
do know that except for a tiny sliver of their history, humans have been hunter-gatherers, with no boundaries at all?

You should also spend more time among the animals. You'll learn it's not so territorial there as you seem to think. In any event, just because an animal does something, does that mean humans have to do it, too? I mean, dogs eat shit, roll in dead stuff, hump anything that does or does not move, and loudly lick their own genitals for hours on end. I recognize that such behavior is now de rigueur in the White Power House, but I don't know that it needs to spread to the general population.

I have not seen The Lion King, and I rarely apply the term fascist. Neither am I likely to don a lab coat and commence goosestepping in eugenics.

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@hecate People established more complex societies. They bumped into each other. They decided they didn't necessarily want to be like others or with others. They drew lines.

My cat chased off invading cats in his yard.

You are trying to negate nature. All your protestations (and ignorance) doesn't change nature.

You and all of the Cathy Areu's in the world cannot change nature.

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@dfarrah

Too many damn people in your face telling you what you can and can't do. Don't ever want to be tied at the hip with any group, let alone a world with zero boundaries so some banker in Switzerland can tell me what to do in own backyard. Hard enough for people to get along with some modicum of freedom and sanctity. It is the reason fences make good neighbors.

The new world order is a neolib/neocon one percenter dream. To hear it coming from idealists on the left convinces me I don't want any part of their ideology either.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

@dkmich open enough to consider what I wrote.

So here is a link to a new Wendy Davis essay basically demonstrating some of our observations in action right now!

https://caucus99percent.com/content/amlo-%E2%80%98reaches-out%E2%80%99-z...

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Humans are animals and we all defend our territory. We all want our own little nest, a place to call ours safe and apart from the other. Another reason why employees having no desks and sharing common cubicle areas is such a shitty idea.

You are welcome. I am sure somewhere there is a group of Mexicans, number unknown, who do get pissed off at the way they are treated on land that history says we stole from them in the first place. More than or the same in number as black people who think reparation is only just. I am not a believer in idpol, pc language, and only women, black people, et al can say what is sexist, racist, etc. We all have our own opinions and motives. It is not up to others to say.

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@hecate essay posted by Wendy about the Zapatistas?

Per Wendy, the Zapatistas are in Mexico, carving out their little territories to defend right now as I post. They have been setting up 'autonomous' areas in Mexico where they rule and have things their way.

Maybe you and Cathy need to travel down to Mexico and tell the Zapatistas that they're doing it all wrong, and give them a lecture on how boundaries never really existed and shouldn't exist and what the hell are they doing?

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Which is much more revealing than you clearly comprehend.

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@Anja Geitz revealing that no one wants to comment on living under Mexico law, were the US to return the land to Mexico.

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@dfarrah

You seriously think that the government would contemplate giving southern states back to Mexico? Never Going to Happen.

Seems this essay came about because some Americans were upset about the treatment of immigrants and they took down the American flag and put it up upside down which is the universal sign of distress. They also took down the black lives matter flag which pissed the cop worshippers off.

Guess they won't like this either.

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@snoopydawg a choice.

Have you given that a thought?

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@dfarrah

I rarely don't read links that people post because I want to see the whole article just to see what else it says.
I saw nothing in the fox article that said people wanted to give the states that used to belong to Mexico back. In the comments maybe. I explained this in my comment. Maybe if you had fleshed out your essay a bit I'd understand what point you are making here. And who is pushing for this that leaves us with no choice? Civil war over Mexico? Or something else?

As for the second link..

The Reconquista[note 1] (Portuguese and Spanish for "reconquest") was the period in the history of the Iberian Peninsula of about 780 years between the Umayyad conquest of Hispania in 711 and the fall of the Nasrid kingdom of Granada to the expanding Christian kingdoms in 1492. The completed conquest of Granada was the context of the Spanish voyages of discovery and conquest (Columbus got royal support in Granada in 1492, months after its conquest), and the Americas—the "New World"—ushered in the era of the Spanish and Portuguese colonial empires.

Sorry, but I have no idea what this has to do with things. What am I missing?

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@snoopydawg A lot.

The fox article said nothing about giving parts of the US back to Mexico.

I merely thought about the resentment I've seen, looked at the old borders, observed that someone decided to plant a Mexican flag on US government property, considered immigration, thought about demographics, and posted an essay about returning land to Mexico.

That's it.

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@snoopydawg southern states.

I said the states that belonged to Mexico at one time.

Geez, you get mad when I don't look at your links, and I only had two of them in this essay.

Look at the old border.

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@dfarrah

...the lands that were stolen from them. That crime has laid yet another curse on the US.

These western lands are the indigenious lands of Mexico. The Mexicans never left them. Americans drew a line across the Mexican desert, and called it a border. The Mexicans proceeded to ignore it for the next sixty years, or so. They traveled freely, back and forth, to visit with family and friends, just as they had done during the previous 30,000 years.

These lands are in Mexican DNA and are part of their sensory intelligence. They shepherded the land down the millennia, migrating across it with the seasons, taking care if it. When we move about, we are merely walking on the bones of their dead ancestors. They continued to care for the land after we called it ours. They appear with the growing seasons and watch over to the land. They tend the sprouts and pray over the harvest. Inbetween, they migrate through our cities, tending to our lawns, trees, and landscaping. This is what they have always done. They will be doing it after we're gone. These are their indigenous lands.

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@Pluto's Republic

Your comment speaks to theft. Never good. For that reason I do agree with your point. However, the concept of borders being necessary and good remains. Once just needs to make certain they own the turf within them. If we give those Mexican state back to Mexico, we really own to give the rest of the country back to the native American tribes that once controlled them.

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@Pluto's Republic Indians.

A poster above provided a map of Indian territory.

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of the 2nd Mexican Empire.

Amuses the neighbours.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref

I regularly fly the flag of the 2nd Mexican Empire.

Amuses the neighbours.

Have ye a gif, perchance?

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@thanatokephaloides
of Oldenburg.

Here's the Mexican Imperial Standard:
1920px-Flag_of_Mexico_(1864-1867).jpg

Nobody seems much worried about the influx of Oldenburgers, or Imperial Mexicans.

(Edited)

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@Bollox Ref

Here's the Mexican Imperial Standard:

Muchas gracias! Wink

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Healthcare? I could have heard that wrong I suppose.

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@lizzyh7
Not sure about the universal health care. Probably, though. We're supposed to hate them, like the Russians, so . . .

I just figure if we're supposed to hate them, because the ptb say so, then there must be something about them that I would probably like, and just might be good for me, or at least not harm me.

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Native Americans be first in line?

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@Lily O Lady don't predominate. They aren't really in a position to dominate because there are too few of them.

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@dfarrah

were gone. Now they’re back. New country? What could possibly go wrong?

And screw the Native Americans. This isn’t about who was there first. It’s about who predominates. Is that it?

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@Lily O Lady ultimately rule, I don't see the Indians making that kind of come back.

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Ruthless, but effective. Not the world I want to live in, though.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

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The means by which a handful of figures from North America contrived to have Hawaii annexed to the United States was illegitimate and immoral in every respect, as the U.S. government itself under president Grover Cleveland found in the Blount Report.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hawaii+annexation+petition+signatures

https://www.hawaiiankingdom.org/blounts-report.shtml

http://www.ihraam.org/HawaiiProject.html

http://www.hawaii-nation.org/

Also, it’s a funny thing, but many of the same voices who argue against the U.S. enforcing any border because old ideas of nationalism are obsolete, are okay with Netanyahu having unarmed Palestinians shot for approaching a border fence, and back “blood and soil” thinking all the way when it comes to Israel, yes?

https://www.juancole.com/2014/05/netanyahus-nationalism-jewish.html

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@lotlizard Is that what Hawaii wants to do?

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replaced by “%28” and “%29” like so:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconquista_%28Mexico%29

Here’s an older piece from the conservative paper and website Human Events concerning the notion of Reconquista, the La Raza movement, and an organization called MECha (Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan = Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan):

https://humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/

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@lotlizard I'll assume you posted it in good faith and don't consider my essay so wacky as other posters have.

Or are you challenging the notions I presented because your source is conservative?

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them — particularly when they involve children.

Remember the “incubator babies” story?

https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.html

Faced with so many similarly dramatic stories vying to mobilize our feelings on migration, I try to be as counter-suggestible as possible . . .

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2019/07/drowning-children/

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@lotlizard

Also, it’s a funny thing, but many of the same voices who argue against the U.S. enforcing any border because old ideas of nationalism are obsolete, are okay with Netanyahu having unarmed Palestinians shot for approaching a border fence, and back “blood and soil” thinking all the way when it comes to Israel, yes?

Umm, no. At least in my experience, one either believes in "blood and soil" nationalism or one doesn't. Baby Nathan-Yahoo is a member of the former group, sure; but increasing numbers of intelligent people are joining the latter (disbeliever) camp.

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Smile

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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Trump: "They're coming here illegally!"

Citizen: "They need our help!"

Trump: "We should help Americans first!"

Citizen: "Well then, let's help Americans."

Trump: "No! That's socialism!"

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@Alligator Ed comment by the citizen would be "we don't care about US citizens." Because that is what is ultimately being said.

I work in the HUD world, and many were freaking out over potential cuts in grants because of Trump. Well, the cuts didn't happen, and we're trucking along just fine.

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@dfarrah

because the next statement says this:

"Well then, let's help Americans."

many were freaking out over potential cuts in grants because of Trump. Well, the cuts didn't happen, and we're trucking along just fine.

Not Yet... Trump wants to gut $1.5 Trillion out of the domestic programs that help Americans. His very first budget submitted to congress had huge cuts, but fortunately for us he didn't submit it on time. America first by gutting programs that help Americans doesn't quite live up to his saying in my book.

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg when I see it.

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@dfarrah

to in people's comments. Nothing to say about how you got the first part of your comment wrong?

we don't care about US citizens." Because that is what is ultimately being said.

BTW..when I asked what I was missing I meant about the second link you included. Since it had to do with Christians and Muslims. Selective reading?

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who participated. Interesting comments all around.

I leave you with a really nice Christian song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkdniYsUrM8

Mercy Me sings All of Creation

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@dfarrah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JK_6osCH74

Mercy Me sings Word of God Speak.

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@dfarrah

This entire essay was a train wreck. And you're thanking people? For what?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

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Oh, shit, I forgot, you are here already.

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