I call bullsh*t

Submitted by gjohnsit on Thu, 07/26/2018 - 5:16pm

I call bullshit on this poll and a few others which I will get to.

With more than two years to go before the next presidential election, former Vice President Joe Biden is the early favorite to represent the Democrats and try to unseat President Donald Trump in the 2020 election, according to a new poll.
Biden was the choice of 32 percent of Democrats in a Harvard CAPS/Harris June poll that was obtained by The Hill. The party's 2016 standard bearer, Hillary Clinton, came in second with 18 percent and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., was third with 16 percent.

Biden and Hillary. How depressing is that?
Well, not depressing for Trump.

“Well, I dream, I dream about Biden. That’s a dream,” Trump told anchor Jeff Glor when asked who he thought would be his Democratic opponent. “I’d love to have it be Biden.”

I simply cannot believe this poll.
Then I spotted this poll.

In a new Hill.TV/HarrisX American Barometer poll released Tuesday, an overwhelming majority of respondents, 76 percent, said they would not vote for a “socialist” political candidate, while only 24 percent of those polled said they would vote for a socialist candidate.

While I knew a lot of people are scared of the label of socialism, the percentage against seems too high.
Then I noticed that both polls were done by the same company - Harris Insights & Analytics.
Now Harris has a very good reputation. However, they got purchased in 2017 by the Stagwell Group. Who owns the Stagwell Group?
Mark Penn. I'll let Wikipedia fill in the blanks.

Together with Doug Schoen, he was co-founder of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates.,[2] whose clients included political and business leaders such as U.S. President Bill Clinton, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and Bill Gates. Penn later served as chief strategist and pollster to Hillary Clinton in her unsuccessful campaign for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 presidential election

What a surprise! A polling group owned by a close friend of the Clintons, finds that people love Hillary and hate socialism.
That's shocking. Who could have guessed?
Penn's wife is Nancy Jacobson.

Jacobson is the "undeterrable" founder and leader of No Labels, whose mission is to bring leaders together to solve the nation's most pressing challenges. No Labels is described by David Brooks as "the most active centrist organization" in politics,[3] and has focused specifically on creating a durable bipartisan bloc in Congress capable of getting to "yes" on key issues. In early 2017, No Labels inspired the creation of the active Congressional Problem Solver Caucus which features 44 members —evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans—committed to finding bipartisan solutions

A political match made in heaven.

To be fair, Harris isn't the only polling company that loves Biden. Zogby does too.

A Zogby poll out last month showed the former vice president widening his lead against Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), 26 percent to 18 percent.

Then I remembered how Markos once loved Zogby. So I looked up John Zogby.

Additionally, Zogby writes weekly columns on Forbes.com[51] and contributes a weekly Presidential report card for The Washington Examiner's Washington Secrets, by Paul Bedard.[52] He is also a founding contributor to The Huffington Post

That doesn't sound like someone who would like a socialist either.

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Submitted by Linda Wood on Fri, 07/27/2018 - 6:32pm

Geez maneeze.

@CB

Thank you for this information about Russian policy.

Unlike ours:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-controls-both-the-white-house-and...

Monsanto Controls Both the White House and the US Congress
By Josh Sager
theprogressivecynic.com 1 October 2012

Global Research, March 06, 2018
This incisive article by Josh Sager published one month before the November 2012 US presidential elections carefully documents how Monsanto has cornered the US political system.

… The following info-graphic gives a few examples of the revolving door between Monsanto and the United States government:

All Credit for this Venn diagram goes to Geke.us

While there are numerous points of overlap between Monsanto and the United States Government under the Obama administration, the three most important connections are that of Michael Taylor, Roger, Beachy, and Islam Siddiqui—all three of these Monsanto affiliates were appointed to high level positions within the government by the Obama administration.

The Obama administration appointed Michael Taylor, the previous vice president of Monsanto and a current Monsanto lobbyist, to a high level advisory role at the Food and Drug Administration [FDA].

#14.1 was to go against Monsanto. Upper House approves ban on GMO production & imports in Russia Published time: 30 Jun, 2016 Russia’s Federation Council has approved a bill introducing fines for producing GMO products in Russia or importing them from abroad, with the exception of genetically altered organisms and materials used for expertise and research. ... According to official statistics, the share of GMO products in the Russian food industry has declined from 12 percent to just 0.01 percent over the past 10 years, with only 57 registered food products currently containing GMO. The law ordering obligatory state registration of GMO products that could come in contact with the environment will come into force in mid-2017. Russian grain exports up 42% in 2018 Published time: 4 May, 2018 "As of the end of April, grain supplies increased by more than 42 percent," Medvedev said on Friday. Last year, Russia exported $21 billion worth of grain, which is bigger than revenues from arms sales, the prime minister noted. Russian exports of agricultural products and foodstuffs have grown 16-fold since 2000. In 2016, Russia became the world leader in wheat exports. Since the early 2000s, the country’s share of the world wheat market has quadrupled, from four to 16 percent. ... In the next six years, Russian exports of agricultural products will reach $45 billion, according to the forecast of the Ministry of Agriculture. Russia has also been seeking to become a global leader in exports of GMO-free good. GMO has been banned in Russia since 2016. ... This is going to be an interesting test case about the safety of GMO food. Practically everything an American eats on a daily basis are GMO and/or laced with hormones or drugs. All these are banned in Russia. GMO feed for animals is banned. It will make for an interesting comparative study in the next decades. There are reports that the testosterone levels in American men are now 50% lower than boomer men. Levels are going down at the rate of 1% per year. What is the cause? Lifestyle, food, environment? Are we turning into a nation of girly-men? Is the same thing happening in Russia?

Submitted by CB on Sat, 07/28/2018 - 1:21am

Bayer and Monsanto marry

Given their history, can you imagine the grotesque spawn this union will bring forth?

Match Made in Hell: Bayer-Monsanto Partnership Signals Death Knell for Humanity
30.06.2018

On what plane of reality is it possible that two of the world’s most morally bankrupt corporations, Bayer and Monsanto, can be permitted to join forces in what promises to be the next stage in the takeover of the world’s agricultural and medicinal supplies?

Warning, plot spoiler: There is no Mr. Hyde side in this horror story of epic proportions; it’s all Dr. Jekyll. Like a script from a David Lynch creeper, Bayer AG of poison gas fame has finalized its $66 billion (£50bn) purchase of Monsanto, the agrochemical corporation that should be pleading the Fifth in the dock on Guantanamo Bay instead of enjoying what amounts to corporate asylum and immunity from crimes against humanity. Such are the special privileges that come from being an above-the-law transnational corporation.
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It’s important to mention that the Bayer – Monsanto convergence is not occurring in a corporate vacuum. It is all part of a race on the part of the global agrochemical companies to stake off the world’s food supplies. ChemChina has bought out Switzerland’s Syngenta for $43 billion, for example, while Dow and DuPont have forged their own $130 billion empire.

However, none of those companies carry the same bloodstained reputations as Bayer and Monsanto, a match made in hell that threatens all life on earth.

@Linda Wood

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Fri, 07/27/2018 - 8:20am

Anything that involves the name Mark Penn is probably bullshit.

However, there's an additional factor. There's a mighty selection bias working for Hillary and her pals too. Most people I know would hang up on such a poll.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Fri, 07/27/2018 - 8:46am

Deleted. In the wrong place.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by karl pearson on Fri, 07/27/2018 - 10:47am

Trojan Horse?

The Dem elite know Biden or Clinton can't get elected. Could it be that they are promoting these two, because they think Progressives will be relieved when a fake progressive (like Kamala Harris) is presented as the alternative to neoliberal Biden/Clinton? Dem elites have to know that the Progressives really backed Obama in the 2008 primary and he beat Clinton. (I know we were fooled, but that's another issue.) Look what happened to Clinton in 2016 without true progressive support.

Submitted by WoodsDweller on Fri, 07/27/2018 - 12:18pm

I don't think it's that complicated.

@karl pearson @karl pearson
I think they are still fighting the battles of the 90s. They think they can't win without Republican votes. They think they need to run expensive, big media campaigns to get those votes. They think the only way to finance a big media campaign is with big donations from big donors. They think identity politics and lukewarm support for social issues is enough to camouflage their core neoliberal / neoconservative policies.
And they think Clinton or Biden is the ideal candidate to get those donations.
No, they aren't trying to throw the election. They want to get rich and win. But if they end up getting rich but losing, that's OK too.

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"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone

Submitted by lotlizard on Fri, 07/27/2018 - 8:47pm