I call bullsh*t
I call bullshit on this poll and a few others which I will get to.
With more than two years to go before the next presidential election, former Vice President Joe Biden is the early favorite to represent the Democrats and try to unseat President Donald Trump in the 2020 election, according to a new poll.Biden was the choice of 32 percent of Democrats in a Harvard CAPS/Harris June poll that was obtained by The Hill. The party's 2016 standard bearer, Hillary Clinton, came in second with 18 percent and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., was third with 16 percent.
Biden and Hillary. How depressing is that?
Well, not depressing for Trump.
“Well, I dream, I dream about Biden. That’s a dream,” Trump told anchor Jeff Glor when asked who he thought would be his Democratic opponent. “I’d love to have it be Biden.”
I simply cannot believe this poll.
Then I spotted this poll.
In a new Hill.TV/HarrisX American Barometer poll released Tuesday, an overwhelming majority of respondents, 76 percent, said they would not vote for a “socialist” political candidate, while only 24 percent of those polled said they would vote for a socialist candidate.
While I knew a lot of people are scared of the label of socialism, the percentage against seems too high.
Then I noticed that both polls were done by the same company - Harris Insights & Analytics.
Now Harris has a very good reputation. However, they got purchased in 2017 by the Stagwell Group. Who owns the Stagwell Group?
Mark Penn. I'll let Wikipedia fill in the blanks.
Together with Doug Schoen, he was co-founder of the polling firm Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates.,[2] whose clients included political and business leaders such as U.S. President Bill Clinton, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and Bill Gates. Penn later served as chief strategist and pollster to Hillary Clinton in her unsuccessful campaign for the Democratic nomination for the 2008 presidential election
What a surprise! A polling group owned by a close friend of the Clintons, finds that people love Hillary and hate socialism.
That's shocking. Who could have guessed?
Penn's wife is Nancy Jacobson.
Jacobson is the "undeterrable" founder and leader of No Labels, whose mission is to bring leaders together to solve the nation's most pressing challenges. No Labels is described by David Brooks as "the most active centrist organization" in politics,[3] and has focused specifically on creating a durable bipartisan bloc in Congress capable of getting to "yes" on key issues. In early 2017, No Labels inspired the creation of the active Congressional Problem Solver Caucus which features 44 members —evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans—committed to finding bipartisan solutions
A political match made in heaven.
To be fair, Harris isn't the only polling company that loves Biden. Zogby does too.
A Zogby poll out last month showed the former vice president widening his lead against Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), 26 percent to 18 percent.
Then I remembered how Markos once loved Zogby. So I looked up John Zogby.
Additionally, Zogby writes weekly columns on Forbes.com[51] and contributes a weekly Presidential report card for The Washington Examiner's Washington Secrets, by Paul Bedard.[52] He is also a founding contributor to The Huffington Post
That doesn't sound like someone who would like a socialist either.
Comments
I call Hilarious.
No seriously, have fun with that Dems. You ain't gonna listen to me, and I've accepted that.
Just keep in mind, like fireworks (Another thing I hate but nobody will listen to me about my concerns) I can't stop you, but don't expect me to lift a finger to put you out when you set your ass on fire.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAWYCKuN26Q]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Re fireworks:
I keep praying a certain neighbor blows his fingers off before he sets my roof on fire.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@detroitmechworks Well, they've always got
Well, they've always got DHS to bail them out by fixing the election, and I expect DHS will--unless enough rank-and-file intelligence folks hate Hillary sufficiently to throw a wrench in that.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@detroitmechworks Fireworks were hard for
Fireworks were hard for me this year. I was having a bad anxiety day. It seemed to go on forever.
I can only imagine how much worse it was for you.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It was pretty bad.
Went through almost a quarter in a week bad. (Pot helps, but I had to use earplugs and loud music.)
The worst part of all is the Arrhythmical and random nature of it. In the Army I could adjust to Mortars, because there would be an outgoing barrage, and you knew you were good for about five minutes and could anticipate the next. Same with firework displays. I'm anticipating it and so it's ok. Civilian fireworks explode at random.
And after Iraq, I REALLY don't like things that explode at random.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
@detroitmechworks I hadn't thought of
I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. It's the unexpected nature of it that sucks so bad.
My puppy didn't like it either, at all.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
It's not the right time to be sober
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
So it begins...
Who didn’t see this coming? I wish the pollsters all the success they had in 2016.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
And then Mark Penn wrote this today
Is he talking about his own polls?
From April 2017 (before Penn bought Harris?) . . .
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-bernie-sanders-is-most-popular-u-s-pol...
Bernie is the most popular politician.
Now it's Biden that Dems want?
How exactly is this "very little has changed in polling?" I will concede that very little has changed in Mark Penn.
a poll that I hope is right
Fuck Scott Walker
socialism
Remember Discredited Donna Brazile's self-serving (and, IMO,
pure bullshit, if that is not an oxymoron) tale about the 2016 primary and campaign.
You know the tale -- how her employer, the DNC (whose charter requires that it remain neutral in primaries, which the DNC violates) told Disgusting Donna to run everything by the Clinton campaign--and no other Democratic primary candidate's campaign, but Donna supposedly nonetheless had no idea why, and apparently never asked why her employer was violating its charter and asking her to do the same. And apparently was in the dark about all the above, while she fed Hillary, but no other Democratic primary candidate, at least one of CNN's primary debate questions.
And then, Donna, a Catholic, became acting head of the DNC--well after CNN had fired her-- and supposedly "finally learned" the "truth," she supposedly lit candles and put on gospel music before calling Bernie Sanders on September 7, 2016 (well after the Democratic National Convention had ended with Hillary as its official nominee) to share the truth with him and apologize. (Too bad she did not also call each of Sanders' many campaign volunteers and donors and apologize.)
Anyway...as part of that tale, Donna allowed as how she had almost substituted Biden for Hillary when Hillary's campaign appeared to be in trouble. And funnily enough, he is now leading both his fellow Democrats and Independent (again) Bernie in 2020 polls. What a coincidence! Folks, please give the very prescient Donna a hand--or at least a finger.
I wonder what happened with Kamala Harris, who was looking to me like the next female Democrat to bang her head against the glass ceiling.
Yup. Putre BS
No one can be that dumb.
that stupid
False. There's more Stupidity in the Universe than everything that is or ever was Hydrogen, combined. And even if you add the Dark Matter, Stupidity still wins out!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
It was Hillary's turn, and as Obama's boy, Biden is next.
They are pre-rigging the rigging of the primary. Nobody is going to believe them.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I don't know how many will believe them, but I think many will
atleast claim to believe them.
I think what most people want is for one of the oldest two political parties to nominate someone who at least talks like he or she is anti-establishment. I can't tell you how many people say they won't vote Green because Greens have no chance of winning (nor did Hillary, IMO and nor does either the Democrat or the Republican in every single Presidential election). Alternatively, it's because the Greens are a single-issue party (false) or because the Greens accepted money from Republicans (much as Hillary accepted the public endorsements of the likes of Kristol?).
Me, I simply cannot vote for any candidate chosen by either the fetid DNC or the fetid RNC.
@HenryAWallace People have some
People have some odd ideas about winning elections.
I'm not sure how you can "win" an election controlled by the Department of Homeland Security, unless you are pre-chosen to do so.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
True, but I think people like voting for a candidate who wins
It may make them feel smart or part of the mainstream. I don't know, but I think people's fondness for voting for the winning candidate was the reason news outlets were persuaded to hold off announcing results until West Coast polls closed.
@HenryAWallace Well, yes, a
Well, yes, a lot of people like pro wrestling.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@HenryAWallace I don't know if you
I don't know if you remember, but I was convinced they were going to switch Hillary out for Biden at the convention.
But the Clintons must have a lot of goat pictures.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't think they would have dared coronate someone
who had not even run. They did that in the old days of the "smoke-filled rooms." Adlai Stevenson and Hubert Humphrey are examples. I don't think every state was holding a primary in 1950, but such states as did voted for Kefauver. However, Kefauver's hearings had revealed connections between the mob and some Dem party bosses, so Truman and some party bosses decided to run Adlai Stevenson. Humphrey dudn't enter a primary, but was nominated by some Governors. They both lost.
You can always tell when things are getting
serious when us Catholics start lighting them candles.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Catholic Candles
As one who was raised Roman Catholic, our country's current condition justifies lighting Roman candles before Christ and God!
(With apologies to dmw!)
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Of the two candidates likely to win the Dem primary....
I'm certain Walker is hoping Evers wins and not Kathleen Vinehout. Evers is Milquetoast; Vinehout a fighter.
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
I'm backing Vinehout
The emails I get sound trustworthy and well-grounded.
Walker personifies calculated unaccountable putrescence.
I don't know who the 2020 nominee will be
but Biden and Clinton's time is past. I would say the same about Sanders but there is no obvious alternative for him.
Is it too soon to talk about climate change affecting elections?
There is very little ice in the Arctic that is more than 1 meter thick at the end of July. 1 meter ice doesn't survive seven weeks of the melt season. I've been watching the extent and it's bad but not terrifying, but the ice seems to be melting uniformly instead of just around the edges. I have to admit the possibility of a blue ocean event this fall, in a couple of months. If not this year then next year.
Who is the candidate that will stand up and say "We've lost the Arctic. The time for debate is over. We act now or we die."? That's who I think will get the nomination, and I don't know who that is, yet.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Some of the shrewder Republicans agree that climate change is
occurring, but claim that human actions impact it very little. They know the evidence is overwhelming and the claim that human actions impact it very little, if at all, keeps the environmental abusers happy. But, every time we have an unseasonably cool day, I see less shrewd Republicans posting nonsense like "What climate change?"
So far, it seems as though the Presidential p.r. has been going the way of Biden and/or Harris. I'd die laughing, as would the Republicans, if the ticket were Biden/Clinton. I think that, as with Obama and Biden (and Bush 42 and Quayle), the best bet is one young 'un and one elder, ostensibly wiser, person on the ticket. That way, the young 'un has the energy and "new car smell," as well as the benefit of the elder's experienc--and at least one of them will look likely to survive for at least the next 5 to 9 years.
Of course, the first Party to elect either a female President or a female Vice President, preferably a Hispanic, is going to be on the right side of history (unless the female is, or is very much like former nominees, SP or HRC).
I will vote Green, write in or whatever it takes NOT to vote Democratic or Republican for POTUS, US Senator or US Rep.
And BTW:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/18/sweden-calls-for-help-as-a...
and there's a similar story out of Japan, and Arizona, and...
climate change just might be an issue in 2020.
On to Biden since 1973
Looks like I'm voting Green again.
STILL would rather have crazy Trump than either Clinton or Biden.
Trump may (probably will) attack SS & Medicare. Dems will fight it because it's Trump. If it was either of the two (D) foul balls they would be for it and (R)'s would make it "bi-partisan".
EDIT:
Didn't even factor in that Hillary is blood thirsty and Biden probably is too.
Trump likes to bluster but has actually shut down the Syrian war. With Hillary I'd have to practice "duck and cover".
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I may be voting Green as well, but...
I just can't picture the Dems putting up Biden or Hillary.
I flat out don't believe it.
They'll try
and they'll raise some big donor money, they might even get some rigged polls in their favor, they will certainly get some big media promotion. But they won't get any votes. It'll be Jeb Bush in Iowa all over again.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
JEB!
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
@Hillbilly Dem UGH!
UGH!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@gjohnsit Who controls the
Who controls the Democratic party?
Do you think it's us? Do you think it's people who support good policy? Do you think it's Democratic voters in general?
Would any of those people create a system with superdelegates? What are the superdelegates there for? I mean, really, what is their *stated purpose*, said right out in the open?
"Oh, well, you can't really trust the people to vote correctly, because sometimes the people will vote for candidates who are far too left wing, and far too populist. Then those candidates lose to Republicans like Richard Nixon in the general election. No, no, don't ask why or how that happens. It's just a fact of life, like the speed of light or gravity. Smart people know that there has to be a failsafe in case ordinary people make a bad choice, something that will take the choice out of their hands if need be, and put it in the hands of savvy businessmen, I mean pragmatic politicians, I mean realists who deal with the world as we find it."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
How ironic
without SD's you lose to Dicky
w/SD's you lose to Pussy grabber
maybe you gotta find the center /s
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh I know you were
I know you were snarking, but just need to say: I don't take the 1968 election result as the expression of an immutable irreversible law.
Like many people 50 and under, I think it's pretty fucking ridiculous to act like something that happened the year I was born is still predictive of people's political behavior.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
McGovern is what I wish Democrats would have done 2006–2010
Rather than McCave, McCatfood, McProtest, McResist, or McKick the McCann down the road.
This is a very interesting thread that begins with the premise
that "this ain't 1972," That was certainly true. However, as the thread develops, several posters gave some good info about the 1972 election.
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/12778825
@HenryAWallace Thanks, HAW, I
Thanks, HAW, I'll have a look at it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
You should be 100% correct
but if you look at the party
you'd be 100% wrong, it's the geriatrics
and boomers who control it on that basis
that SD's are required to save us from
the people like you, yep those pesky young
ones.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
@ggersh I guess my
I guess my point is that they're lying, or at best wrong. I'm pretty sure they're lying, because after 2008, anyone with half a brain would know that the LEFTIES WILL GIVE US NIXON argument is a wash. But you can't get people making a "centrist" or Clintonian argument to be honest. At best, they are lying to themselves.
They try to get out of the implications of Obama's 2008 success by pointing to Obama's actual politics, rather than his perceived politics in 2008; what the people were actually voting for instead of what they thought they were voting for. But you can't discuss what the majority of the American voters want outside the context of what they believe. What did they believe about Obama? Did they believe he was a security-state supporting Clintonian "centrist" who wanted to cut Social Security and Medicare, and who would vastly expand the wars in the Middle East? Is that the "change [they] could believe in?" Did they think, as they cast their vote, "Good, now I've ensured that the Bush tax law will become a permanent part of America!" Did they think "Great, I've put in another defender of bankers and brokers, just like the Bushes and Clintons! I'm sure he'll make sure nobody on Wall St will have to answer for all the fraud they just committed."
If they had been in support of those ideas, wouldn't they just have voted for Hillary in the primary, who had represented those policies for decades at that point?
The people who continue to defend that anti-McGovern argument, in 2018, are either in tremendous denial, or are bad-faith actors.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
dead duck under cover
"Dead duck under cover", did you say? And would that be a l'orange or Beijing?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
l'orange is my favorite.
When I was a young boy we were taught to recognize the flash of an H-bomb and taught to close our eyes and hide under the desks. This was called "duck and cover". Even as fourth graders we boys would say, "Duck under the desk, drop your pants, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye." Reminds me of the comedy routine about the spinster teacher "And no talking during the nuclear holocaust." I wonder if this early exposure to talk of nuclear holocaust and mega deaths conditioned us to accept widespread napalm and Agent orange later in VietNam?
Weekend matinees were full of black and white movies featuring human mutant survivors of nuclear war. Don't even see those on Svengoolie now.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
fourth grade nuclear drills
I, too, was a fourth grader in the 1960s. I know of what you speak.
In our locality, the public air raid sirens were tested every month, first Friday of the month, at noon. Readers who, like myself, were brought up in the Catholic Religion will recognize the fact that First Fridays are dedicated to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Often, when the sirens went off, I would offer the prayer: "Sacred Heart of Jesus, have Mercy upon us and save us from the evil of nuclear war!"
Memories.......
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I forgot the sirens! N/T
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Duck and Cover part two
Biden might not be the one who would win,
but he might be the one who the PTB install next. Hillary is damaged goods and I doubt anyone thinks that she is up for the job. Plus there's all the rumors about her health. Is she wearing a back brace? Then there's her habit of falling down stairs.
How funny!
Haven't those people been paying any attention to what is currently happening under capitalism?
No. Half the people are obviously
numb, if not actually flatliner dead, from the neck up.
This stuff isn’t hard, it isn’t mysterious. All you have to do is pay attention. So either nothings getting through or there’s nothing to get through to.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
First,
they have to Want to pay attention(or be Able to, in this economy).
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
Oh, there are plenty paying attention. But there’s some
kind of mental block that prevents half of them from understanding what is really happening. The other half are too emotionally invested in their tribal politics to listen to reason and face the truth. They remind me of some of my friends from way back when I was young who never progressed beyond the 16 Magazine stage.
Hey! I thought I resized this thing. I must not know how to ro it.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
image resizing
spelling corrected
Don't bash yourself. c99's been doing some weird shit with embedded images lately.
It turned a picture of a saguaro cactus 90 degrees on its side for me, with no instructions from me to do that.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
@snoopydawg Well, that's assuming we
Well, that's assuming we trust the poll.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Or claiming she fell when showing up at talk shows to be
interviewed would be awkward.
Either way....
These polls are intended to keep the sheeple in their
cages, make them focus on the farcical two year election system instead of mounting an independent movement against it.
Exactly
This time, they want an early start on Bernie and his batshit crazy populist ideals. If they can keep him out the primary, well, job done.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
@dkmich Actually, if they mean
Actually, if they mean this, they're being pretty stupid. There's a much smarter move they could make to keep power in their hands and keep everybody's perceptions nice and manageable. But if they want to keep grinding this axe, good for them.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
The Dumpster Fire would stomp either one. I believe that poll
About as much as I believe RussiaGate, zero.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
And people wonder why people don't vote?
At this point, Louis XVI might make a better head of state/government.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Louis XVI
[video:https://youtu.be/YU6ebNd9v-w]
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Louis XVI was actually a rather nice guy
who was caught in a completely impossible situation that he was utterly incapable of dealing with. He thought he could manage "a little reform" in easy stages, and it all got away from him and ate him up (and his family too).
As for his wife Marie Antoinette, apparently she got all the beauty that was available in the Hapsburg genes - but her sisters got all the brains. (snark!)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
incremental reforms
Just like James II of Great Britain's attempt to re-emancipate and re-integrate his kingdoms' Catholics. http://www.jacobite.ca/
Incrementalism never works. The experiences of these Kings are evidence, but far from the only such.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
And Gorbachev!
Glastnost was supposed to reform the Soviet System but instead destroyed it.
Reform works when the bad practices haven't gone too far. When they have, the pressure has built up so far that opening the lid doesn't release the pressure, it causes the lid to blow off.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Those polls never lie
Hillary was 95+% for the win! Trump never had a chance! Hard data proved it! LOL
Riiight!
Must have been those Russians.
Say, didn't Hillary have Facebook bots too?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness Hillary had a million
Hillary had a million dollars' worth of bots!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I read that Facebook has 2.2 billion accounts.
That's every man woman and child in the USA, Europe, Russia and the developed coast of China. Every single one. My estimate is 100 million tops. That means 95% bots. Even 200 million means 90% bots.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@The Voice In the Wilderness Good point. I was
Good point. I was only talking about the ones that were right out in the open. When you hire David Brock to create bots online and hand him a million dollars to do so, you can hardly launch a campaign against people manipulating public opinion online.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Indeed!
Where's the outrage at the Clinton campaign using Facebook bots. Didn't they then "interfere with the election" and "hack the election"?
Not to mention the evidence of the rigged primaries. But that's never mentioned, just "Russia! Hacked the DNC! Interfered with the election". Lot's of noise so that no one discusses what was revealed to be on that DNC server, which is much much more damning than facebook bots.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
OT: The Resistance strikes again
Dems reverse course on White House parks plan
Restore Our ...
The usual Orwellian reverse naming.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
@snoopydawg Those who understand
Those who understand that the problem is not partisan don't get asked.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@snoopydawg *CRASH* *BANG* *RIP*
*CRASH* *BANG* *RIP*
(politely)
"Can I interest you in a replacement door?"
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A Hillary/Biden run in 2020
will guarantee the Trumpster a second term despite whatever any poles say.
spelling correction
That's polls, amice! Not Poles!
Not wanting the spirit of Karol Wojtyla (Pope St. John Paul II) to show up at your door in full pissed-off mode, I thought I'd better mention it.....
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Or worse, the spirit of Ubu Roi . . .
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Theatre/UbuRoi
@thanatokephaloides My favorite Pole,
My favorite Pole, Marbozir:
I have a feeling he won't be able to influence the next U.S. presidential election, either.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I was interrupted and had to leave
unexpectedly so I never got to finish my post. I would like to add that not only are the Poles wrong, the Latvians, Estonians and Lithuanians also called it wrong as did the Swedes and Finns.
@CB LMAO!
LMAO!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
From now on, every poll should be assumed to be gaslighting
Looks like the Biden and Hillary camps are trying to generate momentum and PR for their campaigns using polls as a propaganda device. One of thee most egreious examples was in the Oregon primary that had Hillary winning over Bernie by 10+ easily. And it was the only one cited by major media in state far as I could tell. Really, beat Bernie in Oregon? Had to be pure bullshit and it was. Bernie beat her badly.
Another was that polls claiming that Trump would lose white women. This one was pushed heavily. And lo and behold Trump won white women by 52%. This one in particular really showed what a bubble democrats were in and represented one of the biggest failures of ID politics.
Of course, seems the only one who had a handle on polls was Putin. He knew the Rust Belt was in play.
Wait a munute. Maybe we should write in
Putin. He sure as hell turned RUSSIA! around. Face it, the United States and their puppet Yeltsin trashed the place (so to speak). He fixed all that and now RUSSIA! is an economic powerhouse. And he’s not really any more homicidal than our presidents. They like war and killing, Putin serms a bit more sane.
Now that there would be a REAL Socialist.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Amanda Matthews Putin's not a
Putin's not a socialist (anymore), but he has the virtue of actually wanting his country to do well and not get stomped into the ground. Also the virtue of thinking World War III would be a bad idea.
Man, my bar has sunk.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
“Now that there would be a REAL Socialist“
That was sarcasm. Lame sarcasm probably, but I thought it was obviously snark. I’ll remember to mark it every time (/s) from now on.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@Amanda Matthews Sorry. I'm not
Sorry. I'm not quite as quick on the uptake lately.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
No, I can see where you wouldn’t know
I was being facetious. Most people see RUSSIA! and Putin as being either Socialist or Communist and they are neither. Although the Communist Party is sure trying to make a come-back.
The CP candidate lost, but not for lack of trying.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Women control the finances in most white
working class households. The men are addicted to beer and sports.
Those white working class women are probably why Clinton lost outside big cities. Especially in places like West Virginia, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Russia is capitalist.
Russia is PROUDLY capitalist.
Just returned from there.
They are trying to be like us, US.
At their peril.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp Their crime appears to
Their crime appears to be wanting to be capitalist and still have sovereignty, rather than being a puppet state.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
One of Russia's biggest crimes
was to go against Monsanto.
This is going to be an interesting test case about the safety of GMO food. Practically everything an American eats on a daily basis are GMO and/or laced with hormones or drugs. All these are banned in Russia. GMO feed for animals is banned. It will make for an interesting comparative study in the next decades.
There are reports that the testosterone levels in American men are now 50% lower than boomer men. Levels are going down at the rate of 1% per year. What is the cause? Lifestyle, food, environment? Are we turning into a nation of girly-men? Is the same thing happening in Russia?
@CB Oh, no no no. No
Oh, no no no. No messing with Monsanto's profits, nosirreebobby.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
radio signals from iphone?
Lack of sleep?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
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