Thursday Open Thread 4-19-2018

This week hinted at the uncertainty of the future and reminded us of the difficulty making a significant impact on many of those challenges. Still, small acts taken today can benefit us or the unknown stranger many years in the future. People, communities or plants our actions are ripples in a pond moving forward.

The various fruit trees that provided food as I grew up had been planted nearly 40 years before my parents bought the place. Each place I have moved from was left with a few new plants and better soil.

Unsure why placebo, power of positive thinking or effects of negative reinforcement how one perceives their exercise level may have more to do with health benefits than the amount of actual exercise. (the study)

Scientists at Stanford University in the US looked at mortality data for 61,000 adults. For 21 years, dozens of measures were taken, including how much people exercised and crucially, how much exercise they thought they did compared with others their age, during which time some of the participants had died from a range of illnesses.

Analyzing the various factors that might have contributed to the participants’ health, the researchers discovered something extraordinary. People who thought they weren’t doing as much exercise as their peers died younger than those who thought they did more, even when the actual amount of exercise they did was the same.

This effect remained even when they took into account the participants’ health status and factors such as smoking.

The next four videos are farming focused but message can be used as an approach to any venture.
Why are there so few profitable Permaculture Farms?
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p__7st7Q6ic]

Starting a farm with no money
practical advice
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXsANNfALus]

enthusiasm
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoTGECeLvwA]
several years later
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6W38VDlzBw]

A little late in the season for some parts of the country.
Success with seeds and plants, for a long season of full beds.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXR92xHfgic]

Before we made cloth from oil it grew in the field, processed at home and later industrialized (think Luddites).
LINEN - Making Linen Fabric from Flax Seed - Demonstration Of How Linen Is Made
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuj7sXVnIU]

Farm Report
Last calf of the season and this herd was born this week. Long term plans have been in place to reduce winter work. Part of it includes lowering the number of animals and moving away from cow calf operation.
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The seed company sent the perennial root stock 3 weeks early. Still too cold to plant, beds are not fully ready and mold starting to appear. Trying a modified method to ease into the raised beds by planting in cardboard boxes. Idea to set the boxes in the raised bed spots over the next 2 weeks complete building the beds around them.

Clorox dip for the moldy roots (1:3 water). Then trying a trick from and orchard book using fresh cow manure to inhibit growth bad pathogens. Worked when when I used it on tree wounds. Don't enjoy gardening as much in my winter coat and insulated pants.
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Work station is set up right by the beds to mix the soil. My mother's Vermont Cart from the 1970's is doing most of the weight work. Interesting how nearly all the plastic and light metal tools I bought since the late 1980's have broken. Now I am using the wood and metal tools of my parents and grandparents.
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studentofearth's picture

Each climate has benefits. This is a list of the advantages of gardening in a temperate climate

I have been surprised how hard the southern gardeners are working in their gardens. Hay bale gardening to creating good soil medium for crops. Providing shade to keep plants cool enough for production.

Pest Control
Our seasonal cold temperature is an effective method of insect and disease control. When these plants are grown in warmer climates (including greenhouses) more effort is needed for pest control, including pesticide use. The top contaminated vegetables and fruits are cool weather plants.

Cool Weather Vegetables
Cool season vegetables require colder soils of spring or cool nights for germination.

Plant Hardiness Facts
At a soil temperature of 40 degrees F, plant arugula, fava beans, kale, lettuces, parsnips, peas, radicchio, radishes, and spinach.

At a soil temperature of 50 degrees F, plant Chinese cabbage, leeks, onions, Swiss chard, and turnips.

At a soil temperature of 60 degrees F, plant beets, broccoli, Brussels sprouts, cabbage, carrots, and cauliflower.

Other cool-season vegetables include asparagus, celery, collards, garlic, kohlrabi, potatoes, rhubarb, and rutabagas.

Cold weather for storage or taste
Frost triggers changes in plant to improve taste or storage. Chemical defoliants are used in commercial potato fields to prep for harvest. Kale is sweeter after freezing in the garden.

Cool Weather Fruits
Many of fruit varieties require cool weather.

Peach, grape, blueberry, cherry, strawberry, and apple lovers are in luck: Though these crops are considered to be among the most pesticide laden when conventionally raised, they’re a snap to grow organically at home.

Nutrition
Nutritional value of crops start to diminish after harvesting. Flavor also diminishes.

High Temperature Problems
Many cool weather vegetables stop growing or reproducing with temperatures above 90 Fahrenheit

Perennial Food Gardens
Perennials take a little longer to set up than an annual garden bed, but continue to provide a harvest for years.

Vacation
A vacation from gardening is provided every year by winter. By spring one is ready to start the cycle again.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

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Always a problem in the subtropical south. Root rot as you describe is common....
Rhizoctonia the usual culprit.
http://www.extension.umn.edu/Agriculture/crop-diseases/soybean/rhizocton...

I think it is the same fungus that turns that forgotten morsel of food in the back of your fridge into a hairy looking experiment. Here's a handy guide for your part of the country SoE - https://pnwhandbooks.org/plantdisease

My clinical plant pathology class was great. Diseased plant material was keyed out every session of this all lab class. Lots of dissecting scope work to identify fungal fruiting bodies. Some diseases are bacterial - like fire blight in apples and pears. They require a different approach.

Most plant diseases are fungal. I rarely have a disease problem in my garden. Now insects are another story and they are more common in our humid climate as well. I'm working toward a chicken run around the garden to have troops to eat invading insects.

Plants like people are resistant when healthy. If you eat well and exercise you are less likely to become ill. Fertile, well drained soil with adequate moisture does the same for plants. Bugs and fungus prefer weak individuals.

Always enjoy your farm report. Thanks for the OT.

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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Can you tell us your reasons? Other than cost/benefit.

Waiting to see if both pawpaws made it through the winter, which is ongoing here.

I am weary of winter. Bud swell is happening; my beech tree by the front door (saved during house construction) is beginning to shed 2017 leaves. I have no oaks (reds or pins) that hold leaves over winter.

A neighbor had chicken and ducks for 4H projects. Seeing a fox running through my woods w/chicken in mouth was enough to forget that project. My college roommate still lives on a farm in WI but it's mostly a hobby farm. She sewed up a chicken without Vet assistance and she lived.

Is your grass greening? Please excuse any typos, my brain is on some disconnect and I have a concussion headache.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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about it. Saw a whale cruising along inshore yesteday. Rained overnight here (El Capitn State Beach, a little north of Goleta). Heding up to Morro Bay later today (on the coast between Sn Luis Obispo and Paso Robles) - a small working harbor great for fresh fish.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Melissa Etheridge - Come To My Window

I don't know what happens, people get rich, they get married, they have kids, they get plastic surgery, they think everything is good, because I don't know why. "That's the system." Michael McDonald, Boz Scaggs and Melissa Etheridge headline Rodney Strong Summer Concert Series

I am still waiting to hear who the floater was, down the road in Geyserville where Rodney Strong lives. I know it is not Ray because I saw him on Sunday pushing Magenta's chair in to town. He looked better, but still can't walk without help from the chair. They are being evicted now, "moved along", because of course.
Homeless encampments located near railroad tracks

Cloverdale transients must clean up and leave area
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The police chief explained that the people living there are not the occasional homeless people who come into town for a few days and leave. Rather, they are Cloverdale’s entrenched homeless, most of them in their 20s and 30s, each with their own stories.

“Their situations are ones caused by financial ruin, substance abuse, losing a job, losing their home and they are faced with living on the street. Their position is they have nowhere to go and don’t make enough money with social security, disability or social services,” Cramer said. “Some say they don’t want to get out of that lifestyle, and financially they can’t afford an apartment, find a job with living wage or have presentable clothing to look for work. It’s not a reflection on them, it’s just a process,” he said. “It’s a cycle into poverty.”
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"Some say they don't want to get out of that lifestyle" ding ding ding! It is carved in to their stone brains because "some say" it is so, so it is. I don't want to be mean, but this is our city manager who used to work for CalTrans and thinks RangerPro is safe. He is recovering from his fifth cancer surgery, Brawndo! Really, I wish him well in retirement and hope he can enjoy it. He is lucky.

Condemned Bay Area house sells for $1.2 million

He says two investors bought it and plan to tear it down and build a 4,000 square-foot, "completely green" home they hope to put in the market within five months.

Gallegos says the buyers didn't even enter the house because they had no interest in it but on its location.

He says the median home in Fremont is $1.1 million, compared to $1.7 million in San Francisco.

Legal! In fact that kind of behavior is encouraged by Ds and Rs alike. Just keep flushing.

Seized horses safe and being rehabilitated

‘Cloverdale 12’ await permanent, loving homes

Fuck it, please shoot me now. Felony horse abuse is what happens when the economy is so great! Nobody wants to adopt a disabled human, and treat them with the same respect. wtf I'm sorry.

Thor bring thy hammer to my window! Happy Thursday.

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Just finished up with supervising the demo and replacement of my 1500 sq ft. concrete driveway. The 40 year old concrete was destroyed by three enormous Doug. Fir trees that had to be removed beforehand. Didn't really want to cut them, but their roots were beginning to destroy the foundation of the house.
Now I can turn my attention to the garden. Green bean starts are 4 ft. tall and have to come out of the picture window and go in the ground, now!
Squash is starting to freakin' flower. They also have to go outside this weekend.
Nice streach of dry weather here for a few days in the Portland/Vancouver area. Gotta go to work in the garden.
Thanks for the OT, also.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

I could lose weight and get in shape while sitting here in front of the computer if I could only convince myself that I'm actually working out.

Unsure why placebo, power of positive thinking or effects of negative reinforcement how one perceives their exercise level may have more to do with health benefits than the amount of actual exercise.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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@Timmethy2.0 @Timmethy2.0 Remember what PTB want us to be asea, and not on a Carnival Cruise. The major attack will be sooner, we are disposable. Has anyone here have any knowledge of any disappeared from c99?
I keep my front door locked now. Heightened security.

Sorry to sound paranoid. I can't type a sentence now without typos. Did one!

Big snowflakes occasionally now. More of that overnight. The ground has thawed.

Skinny friends do much fidgeting. Leg bounces are popular. It took me 60 years to figure that one out.

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@riverlover
Detriotmechworks in a few months. I'm going over tomorrow (Sat) and check on him.
Unless JtC has some info on him.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

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We are experiencing unseasonably cold weather this April. Highs only in the 60s the next three days and low 70s the following week. And it has been extremely windy. If June and July are cooler than normal too, It could all turn out OK. If it hits the 100s in May = ouch!

Thanks for the OT! Hope to watch the videos later.

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Marilyn

"Make dirt, not war." eyo