@Ellen North

with everything you've said, especially this:

I'm sorry, but can't you see that the US PTB are Hitler

Yes. These fascists in our government are the legacy of the Nazi war industrialists who ran Hitler and who continue to arm dictators and death squads worldwide. They definitely, have consistently, and do continually act to enslave the world at the point of a gun and at the blade of a knife.

The difference between fighting Hitler in 1940 and fighting a nuclear armed Hitler now, however, is that in 2018 Hitler and Russia both have nukes, and using those nukes will end life on earth. Russia did defeat Hitler, and Americans did die to defeat Hitler, and yes, you and I would do the same. But we cannot win a nuclear war, neither with John Bolton nor with Hitler. Neither can Russia. That is the reality of Mutually Assured Destruction.

What's also true is that in defeating Germany and Japan in WWII, bombing the shit out of everybody, we clearly didn't defeat fascism. It is still here and is in every country our powers that be have raped and murdered. We cannot destroy these horrific powers with nuclear weapons, unless we also willing to destroy the people we are trying to free.

Bolton would kill everybody before he'd back down. That's clear and evident. If you believe that sudden incineration of the planet is preferable to the chances we have of challenging the powers that be through positive change, then I respect your position. And I recognize that if Russia and the rest of the world backs down to Bolton, we are elevating a madman and his army of obnoxious jerks to power over our countries. But guess what, they're already there.

I definitely respect and completely admire the side of Russia, for all the reasons cited here and elsewhere about Putin's forbearance. I want desperately for Putin or Rand Paul or someone in this country or in Finland or somewhere to defuse this horrible situation. It is a true crisis. But if we can't defuse it, we have to stop playing with this madman, put the guns down, and let madman Bolton fanny around laughing at us while we think of a way to put his toys out of his reach, and wait for someone to disappear him.

#5.1

rather than being slaughtered when they can't duck. People have a right to defend themselves and their friends against attackers and they must do so by eliminating the source of the attacks.

In an actual war, throughout history, one takes out the archers, the cannon, the machine-gun nests, the battleships, the launchers, the bombers - or one dies along with one's countrymen and country without even trying to defend them.

And that's what the psychopathic bullies infiltrating the US government (among others) don't get because they believe that everything is inherently theirs and that nothing matters but getting what they want, which is everything, with nothing for anyone else, not even basic human rights. There is never enough for them, having most - they must still drain the poor for the last drop of anything they have. We know this.

TPTB have been polishing their egos and filling their off-shore accounts by mostly fighting desperate groups of individuals, those in smaller groups, terrorists which TPTB have created by their atrocities and various factions 'on their side' have often armed/trained/financed; in too many countries belonging to other people by droning and gunning down or bombing seemingly mostly unarmed civilians labeled as 'terrorists' after the fact; by attacking and invading impoverished countries, those with small armies; they call it 'asymmetric warfare'; I call it bullying war-crimes.

The US PTB have the world's largest military by bleeding their citizens dry and stealing from other people's invaded countries, and they have it because they want Total Global Dominance, micromanaged control of all people and the planet itself.

So far, nobody whose countries they've attacked, invaded and occupied has been able to defeat them and drive them off, but now they've graduated to stronger countries, with others among the Psychopaths That Be from other countries piling on to gang up against them. And a decisive defeat of this ghoulish attack is the only chance of stopping them before they finish destroying what remains of the world of life which they will do in any event, in the near future. If they're smart enough to draw back and admit that they were wrong and if they suffer consequences in an independent world court, should there be one still uncorrupted, there may even be a chance for democracy and survival. But if the last bastions able to protect themselves back down - how does that save the world being destroyed in a multiple of ways? Better to go down fighting, anyway.

This is not your country and people doing this, this is being done by The Psychopaths That Be, and it is they who must be defeated and driven from power, if any of us is to survive.

They are committing another flagrant war-crime - and they are madmen. We cannot expect the intended victims to passively lie down for their own slaughter.

We know this... We have not been able to stop them cheating and rigging in order to have free and fair elections in our own countries, never mind stop them from dispossessing and slaughtering people all over the world, while destroying our ecological life support system for increased profits and military radar/target practice.

If a gang of virulent, sadistic criminals attack your friend's home before attacking yours, while you're visiting that friend, and there are guns in the home and no help other than what's there, do you let them shoot everyone in the house through the windows without attempting to stop them out of fear that a bullet may travel and hit someone further away and not attacking you and your friend's family, or try to shoot them to stop them before they kill you and those others in the house, before they start attacking your family at home - and everyone else's in the neighbourhood?

Yes, they may move to firebombing the buildings with you in them, but they are going to kill you anyway; that's what they do.

And we know this, also.

I never did get my lips stretched out enough to reach my ass for that good-by kiss, either...

Of course we're scared - but we cannot continue to wish for evil to win at the cost of everything and everyone else, even if only because it's all gone, either way. That's what they do.

Edit:

...He has to put down his gun and hand the keys to his country to Bolton. We are no longer in a war with Hitler, in which the more we bomb the more we win. We have built a machine guaranteed to kill us if we use it.

I'm sorry, but can't you see that the US PTB are Hitler and that various governments among the Allies fighting him the last time have been also infiltrated by fascists no different from the Nazis where they feel they can get away with it?

Apart from the thin PR pretence of 'spreading democracy', what's substantially different from Hitler attacking, invading and occupying countries around the world to gain Total Global Dominance, brutalizing, torturing and oppressing along the way, and the US PTB doing exactly the same thing? Only with Total Information Technology, where they can watch our every move and are working on trying to read our thoughts to see if we might be guilty of thought-crimes?

Please, think for a moment; would you have advocated that everyone put down their guns and hand the keys to their country to Hitler? Or to keep fighting so as not to let evil win, as it lost when thought unstoppable because people kept fighting - and much of this win was made possible because the Russian people refused to accept being invaded and quietly slaughtered?

TPTB are already destroying the Earth's life support system; you have a sadistic torturer taking charge of the CIA already guilty of too many globally and locally destructive crimes to list; things are about to go from barely survivable to a short, nasty and brutish life in the process of going extinct if they aren't stopped and the people don't find a way to bring democracy to America.

And you are asking the intended victims to submit to a monster? Please, deep breath, and think.

Right matters, and self-defense is sometimes essential.

Re-edited for a letter-typo and missed letter. Indeed, we're all scared...

@Amanda Matthews @Amanda Matthews

I agree. My son grew up surrounded by a culture of utter propaganda and lies, much of it perpetuated by me. So it seems hypocritical for me to fault him. For that matter, I spent a good 45 years of my life blinded by that same cloud of propaganda and lies. On what grounds would I criticize someone else for not understanding reality?

I agree. The fault is not with those at the bottom. I'm sharpening my knives for the ones at the top.

#6.2

or one because you are anti-war? My guess is the latter.

Everyone I know/knew went in the service when they were called up, including my first husband (we ended up in Anchorage, AK) and my brother John (who ended up a sharpshooter in the Air Force stationed in Incirlik, Turkey). A couple came back in body bags. I won’t criticize the dead for doing what their government coerced them into.