This might be the worst article I've ever read
I happened across this absolutely horrible Buzzfeed article about Markos' new polling project.
It's a bootlicking, brownnosing, sycophantic article that you shouldn't read on a full stomach.
That being said, way down deep in the article I found this gem.
Moulitsas has always been more interested in polling, tactics, and, broadly, politics than many of his peers on the American left. Where others debated, for instance, the merits of centrist Hillary Clinton and progressive Bernie Sanders, Daily Kos stayed neutral — and its Daily Kos Elections drew bipartisan respect as a supremely nerdy source of election analysis.
What!?! What!! What?!?
Are you f*ckin kidding me?!
Did the writer of this article not do any research at all?
Ides of F*ckin March you dummass.
And then it gets worse.
The new data, Moulitsas said, should show Democrats how to win.“We’re the reality-based community and we’ve always prided ourselves on our allegiance to data,” he said. “We don’t talk about what the American people think — we look at the data. A lot of that is practical. We want a more progressive America, and to get there we need to know how to win.”
Excuse me?!?
After I repeatedly pointed out that Hillary wasn't winning over independents, while Bernie was, and all the Markos bootlickers assured us that they didn't need independents.
After the Markos bootlickers spent the entire Obama Administration doing touchdown dances in the end zone, while they were getting their clocks cleaned.
And now they do nothing but yell "Russia!" all day long.
This steaming pile of horsesh*t from buzzfeed has caused me to have a loss for words.
Someone needs to help me out with a better response.
Comments
Another reminder
We are in primary season and GOS is still sliding.
Yeah. Tanking
Really?
It gladdens my heart in so many ways
every time I see those graphs.
True, but it still is the largest US political message board of
which I am aware.
I have never been able to understand
why the numbers on that chart always appear to be reversed, so that this downward trend appears to indicate an increase? Is that just me?
Edit: speaking as one who misses a lot and managed a 'twofer' hit on an extra key to not notice the extra letter until after pressing 'save', while waiting for this to post.... sigh...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
think
Got that part right, anyway!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Well what do you expect. Little Markie
Moosetits was ALWAYS smarter than everybody else. Don’t believe me?
Just ask him.
EDIT: Elee/else
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
The origin of "reality-based community"
Not quite as self-flattering as Markos would like. From Ron Suskind:
In other words, it's our world and you libtards are just living in it. Remember that next time that crowd accuses you of wanting a pony. They're happily living in someone else's neocon Matrix.
"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky
"We're an empire now"
pretty much says it all.
but to finish that sentence,
"and we can do any goddamned thing we want!"
"And by the time you libtard sonsabitches are done chasing your tail trying to figure us Ruling Class out we're creating a whole 'nuther reality, Way ahead of you. So, eat that for breakfast, you Soylent Green futhermuckers!"
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Yes, we're an intersectional empire, dontchaknow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCSgxVo5NNE]
[video:Because having a female director of the CIA is so 'feminist'.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
I get the ever increasing
feeling that we C99ers are living the nightmare no one else seems to be living. Or apparently seeing. ToP and kos, of course, have been a lost cause for two years now. At least. The Ides once again upon us. But it's not just them. It's everywhere. We have entered the Twilight Zone, my friends, and we're on the inside looking out.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
The Zone is correct
In it there is an area of land, called the Zone, where normal physics does not apply.
Listen to this episode of Chapo Trap House if you haven't already. Chapo Trap House Ep: The Zone
@movie buff @Wink It seems that TOP
"Should have passed TPP"
I just about fell off my chair when I read this for the first time. "Whaaa! Trump has pulled out of the TPP!"
Good grief, they know how bad this would be for this country because of the ISDS which meant losing our sovereignty to corporations. This is what happens when people get invested in who they think the person is without looking at their actions.
The Great Black Hope was as big a war criminal as Bush and Cheney were, but he had such a nice smile and a charming family, didn't he? Gag me
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
This is exactly
None of them are dkos members but they reflect the current state of by-partisan political delusion. Who knows maybe it's more comfortable to them to think they are not part of the problem. Reality based my ass. The Russia did it bs. that they all parrot alone is enough to show you how deep their heads are implanted in the sand. They truly believe in the reality they have chosen because it validates the reality they have been fed and believed for decades. There is no way the Democratic party will survive as it is becoming more and more apparent to people who are not invested, literally, in believing this sad, insane non reality they believe in. There is more to reality/life then cooked up data and while numbers don't lie the tea readers who use them are lying propagandist's. Facts my ass. It's all fear driven and FDR had a good point about fear.
@shaharazade That's it. These are
Also, mentioning FDR will get the response that he was just an old, white, racist progressive. So I guess The New Deal was the same.
Maybe they're all right
And we are all wrong?
s/
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I seem to recall the GOS announcing that Her
had a 98% chance of victory on the eve of the 2016 election, despite the fact that we knew there were serious problems in the rust belt.
Data my ass.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
I was attacked for simply writing don't underestimate Trump
I was attacked and put on time out
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
God, the censorship there
Was revolting.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
@dervish
Maybe, as a propaganda outlet, they decided that they needed to try to somehow verify that expectation of Hillary winning in order to more plausibly plant the 'She would have won if Russia hadn't cheated her of the election, so we have to bomb them/do that regime change thing' story? Along with perhaps killing more widely public faith in the concept of democratic government, as in enacting and protecting the public good, for more blatant and direct corporate/military rule?
How more expediently to do that to have a last-minute switch to a scapegoat interim President to start doing the more obvious dirty and be brought under TPTB's control to still do what they want done - and claim that it was the Ebil Russians further exposed Hillary's and the DNC's corruption, which means war, if only as an excuse for hoovering up any wealth and power remaining to the American people and country?
After the election, there were emails aimed at having Clinton coronated anyway as The Rightful Heir. She never stopped campaigning (or what she'd term that, anyway), either, did she? She's still got her security clearance and access to restricted information after how many years of not being in any public office? and her nose in the public business; her opinions on public affairs are still being quoted in the MSN and her State Department people were still there until Trump removed them. Same with Bush and Obama Admin people, all still working within the government to help The Plan along.
And I suspect that the propaganda will again present Hillary as being far more popular and publicly found less reprehensible if she is, indeed, going after Her Turn again, this time with the aid of Homeland Security's electoral control. Dear gawd, I'm depressing myself, but I do think that this ought to be considered. There are no depths too low for The Psychopaths That Be, as we've seen.
I dunno, but it kinda smells that way to me...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Civiqs...
'More Dross from Kos'™
Clearly, the author must have ingested some interesting substances to come up with that drivel. Nothing like the 'Kos experience', c. Nov., 2015.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Physician, Heal Thyself
So says the loser. To Kos and his peers in Neverland, Failure is an option.
Gatekeeping is a hard business, apparently...not. Markos is certainly not alone in pretending that he hasn't, in fact, lost his keys. They were galactically wrong yet can't afford to step down from their perch, all of them. So they keep on (gate)keeping on.
At some point we will have to invent a Kos unit, a la Freidman, you know, 'we need to know how to win so that we can win in order that maybe someday we can win'...six degrees of winning or something like that.
Brave Horatius, he is not.
I got your data right here Markos, including comments
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/8/1498103/-Daily-Kos-Democratic-Primary-Straw-Poll-3-8-16#poll
March 8th, 2016. Beginning of The End.
Priceless first post, 42 wrecks that is all:
But all of those polls were freeped, don'tcha know?
Thanks for posting those
Thanks for posting those charts! Is it possible people are not actually wild about authoritarianism?
I am still a flawed work-in-progress so do occasionally check the traffic stats on their site and do revel in their swift slide to irrelevance.
Thanks also for extracting those gems in the OP -- as I enjoy not giving an article like that a monetizable click.
Does anyone else remember
The Huffington Post article from last year about this time titled "Dkos is back!"?
I wonder if markos paid someone for that?
heh I do peek in every now and then - somehow I'm
past Day 400 of a 1-year time out...??? New anti-Russian math, I guess.
TomP and a few others (Subir occasionally) post rebel diaries. JoanMcCarter posted several diaries about the new Banking Fuck You bill (with 12 Dem co-sponsors) as it unfolded - minimal recs and readership.
Someone also posted gjohn's Alexa graph of kos plummeting site traffic plus current DK site demographics: still massively white, male, 4-year degree or more, $150K, 50-65 years old etc etc aka #FakeResistance
JVolvo2
Forget about them
Yes, tis I, your humble servant JVolvo (resurrected)
Good to see you, shaharazade!
JVolvo2
Good to see you.
I miss many of the sane Kos posters. Good to have OPOL, Swern and a few others drop by to lurk and occasionally post.
TomP was here for awhile, got offended, and left. The abuse he tolerated was beyond understanding. Sabir only came by here to hassle everyone here for not supporting her highness. Once the election was over, we never saw him again. I am surprised at how little I even think about dkos. I never go there, not even to look. I really don't give a damn what they think or have to say. I don't miss it's gangs or childish moderation. Finding uncensored sites is harder and harder. Happy to say, it would a founding principal for c99.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I'm still on time out until October.
The message from administration was "Despite being given a three-month time out back in May for "your trolling, divisiveness, personal insults and accumulated violations of DBAD," you continue to make trollish, combative comments like this: https://www.dailykos.com/comments/1703580/67943406#comment_67943406. We think you need to take some time away from the site and decide whether Daily Kos is really a good fit for you. Since three months away seems to have had no effect, this time you're getting a one-year time out."
Here is the exchange that took me out...
Catte Nappe Fishtroller01 Oct 03 · 08:59:20 PM
I don’t know of anybody claiming or suggesting that “Russia did it all”. They were one significant influence among several/many. At the same time I cannot fathom your refusal to accept that Russia meddled, and it had an effect.
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Fishtroller01 Catte Nappe Oct 04 · 10:43:14 AM
I refuse it because no one has proven it without a doubt, and many of the claims so far have fallen by the wayside. Did you ever read the letter that the Intel Vets wrote to the government about this? Did you see the states that cried foul at that report that 21 states were hacked by the Russians? Did you see the nonsense reporting about the Russians being involved in the NFL protest issues?
Do you not have any sense of skepticism?
How does Russia spending (allegedly) $150,000 on Facebook ads compare with the Clinton campaign spending $1 million in terms of influence on the election?
Does it not give you pause when you find that our country has interfered in the most elections in this world of any country?
www.latimes.com/… www.npr.org/…
Honduras...www.theguardian.com/… www.counterpunch.org/…
dissidentvoice.org/…
“After more than 60 days following the kidnapping of President Zelaya and the seizure of power by the usurper “government” of Roberto Micheletti, it became impossible for Washington to continue to deny its direct involvement in this reprehensible and internationally condemned act.”
www.thenation.com/… Please do some homework on Berta Caceres of Honduras.
So, faced with all this clear evidence that our country has and continues to interfere with the elections and internal political issues of many other countries, often causing many deaths, do you think it’s OK when we do it, but not when the Russians do it?
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I apparently crossed a line twice... asking poor Catte Nap if she had any sense of skepticism, and mentioning Berta Caceres.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
THAT comment was deemed "trollish?"
Awwwww, you messed up their propaganda lines!
Where do you get off bringing facts into the place???!!!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
What can I say?
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
Unfortunately,
actual reality has a Progressive bias...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@dkmichTomP was here for
Offended by folks here? What was said here that he took offense to? Considering the abuse he took over there I'm surprised something would offend him to leave here.
I miss TomP.
I'm curious about the response
I bet it was amusing.
Well, according to Her Heinousness, white males
with their bimbo wives are partially to blame for her losing to the carny huckster.
I would have to agree with her. Bubba and his bimbo wife along with DKos in the cheering section were a surefire route to defeat.
Well here is the "money-shot" from the article.
This last year there were a number of revelations on how there exists an consultant class in and around the DNC that is raking in tens if not hundreds of million dollars. And controlling the party for the most part.
A funny part is the mass behavior on TOP compared to opposite to what Kos is saying in the article. Don't talk about impeachment? TOP is utterly possessed with impeachment (due to Russians).
Oh, hey, white gop women are open to gun control. TOP constantly attacks and demeans white gop female voters as racist and sexist. Good luck with that mwssaging.
And then there is the money/donation election part of TOP. I don't follow them but didn't they refuse to back progressives early on and supported the corporatist in GA?
I noticed that Kos gave no tidbits on Russia. I think I know why. TOP is clinical psycho over Russia but most people are not.
They are salivating over impeaching Trump
"This is why we need to take back the house next election." I'm guessing that they aren't aware that Pelosi has already passed on impeachment and that many democrats voted no when it came up.
Pelosi " Now is not the time to be thinking of that". For Pelosi, the time never seems to be convenient for her.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Inventing and re-inventing reality
I am sure if Pelosi becomes speaker she will not allow impeachment and then the TOP crowd will come up with a plethora of reasons why it was a brilliant move and forget their previous mania for it.
Tim Kaine was the worst possible pick for Her VP
One of thee biggest blue dawg democrat who was anti abortion and too many pro bad legislation told everyone what direction Hillary was going to move after she became president.
Kaine along with Douggie Jones who Alabama blacks helped put in congress are going to sell people out by passing the newest bank deregulation. You just can't make this shit up.
Remember how mad people were when Pelosi became speaker and she took impeachment off the table? Nope, that wasn't going to happen, nor was she going to roll back the Bush abuses. Keeping the powder dry. I wonder what the powder even looks like today?
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
On anything helping Dems. n/t
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
"for a fee" Keep in mind Lee Fang posted @ Kos
Media LLC FEC records: kos scored near $500K in revenue from ads + selling dk user emails to DNC, Dem SuperPACs, EMILY's List, etc.
https://twitter.com/lhfang/status/730205707358769152
JVolvo2
Thanks for that!!!
According to the Red Queen's latest
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
White GOP women
The Kossites are not only fools, they are ungrateful fools.
Mary Bennett
Who cares about reality?
It's what we're paid to think that matters.
(Of course, if we're thinking it for free, that brings suckerdom to whole new levels...)
“One of the things I love about the American people is that we can hold many thoughts at once” - Kamala Harris
There is nothing reality based about Kos,
US politics, or the world we live in. Arrogant idiots and thugs like Kos have turned everything into Alice down the rabbit hole.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Markos is leaning in the wrong direction in the photo
he should have been leaning right. I'm not surprised that he said that he stayed neutral during the primary. Daily Kos states that it's a reality based website. Unfortunately it seems to have developed difficulties what reality they are in. When people can say that Hillary wasn't a warmonger, that she would have kept the banks in line and she wouldn't have signed the TPP, that shows that they have a big problem with reality.
BTW, how the Hell does one get a more progressive America when they are backing the centrist candidate and bad mouthing the progressive one?
You are being too hard on DK, gjohnsit. They do not spend all day on Russia Russia Russia. They leave time for talking about how Trump is a dotard is Putin's puppet, how the GOP is being blackmailed by Putin's goons, how Bernie cost Her the election and they spent quite a lot of time slamming the women who accused Frankin of sexual harassment.
The recently started talking about how we need to come to the aid of our ally the U.K. because Putin poisoned 500 people with the deadliest poison evah made. They are creating a Red Line for Putin to cross.
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Interesting about the current association . . .
of Russia with poison. Of course right now it's all happening in Europe - if it is happening.
Well, it says in what passes for the news that it is . . .
But here is a conspiracy theory: Could the hype about Russia and poison be helpful in putting Pence into office?
All we know for sure
...is that the particular poison in question is a British innovation.
Cui bono?
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Pence and the Christian dominionist crowd
Pompeo is a full blown religious lunatic, so that cements the connection even further. Yet, we can not ask him or Pence a thing about their religious beliefs because we're supposed to respect them???
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
@snoopydawg You forgot the
@snoopydawg
If you're a Neo, you just 'reform' the terms in Opposite Day fashion. Easy peasey.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Daily Kos is also going to experiment with paid content
Yep. I guess everyone who was going to sign their petitions have signed them or they are not seeing them anymore and their funds are getting low. So why not take advantage of the premier most progressive website evah created and put ones talking points on it?
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
Who is the wisest fool?
[video:https://youtu.be/q6Xko6Hjq8c]
I am biased. It's the German one. TC 7:01
https://www.euronews.com/live
Dupe
I wish I was here
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
It is beautiful, but I can't stay on a horse.
If the stirrups are short enough to get me up off the saddle, I need a ladder to get on it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
But, but, I want a unicorn!
data analytics
"“We’re the reality-based community and we’ve always prided ourselves on our allegiance to data,” he said. “We don’t talk about what the American people think — we look at the data. "
This sounds like Robby Mook...
heh Arizona is in play! (Michigan is in the bag)
#Hubris + #Stoopid
JVolvo2
"This sounds like Robby Mook"
If he is part of the Clinton campaign, then it's a good bet that kos knows him. Markos got to play with the big boy in the DLC before it went away. I think it's now called Americans for Cap ... (something) and Obama is also involved with it.
We know that kos changed directions after he met with Bill at his building in Harlem. Wasn't that when Rachel changed too? A bunch of journalists got together with Bill and they received their orders for how to play in the big leagues.
How much money did daily kos get from Correct the Record? Remember when there was a huge influx of new members who were in the bag for Her?
A leftist is someone with morally correct politics. A liberal is someone who wants to feel morally correct w/o ever putting themselves at odds with power or costing themselves opportunities or experiencing the uncomfortable emotions that truth causes.
It was the bloggers that caved first.
Bubba bought them all off. Rachel was Air America.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
And then there was
"It's mathematically impossible for anyone other than [Her] to win."
C99 Battle of the democrats vs the progressives.
Daily Kos is a democratic party blog, it is what it is. Don't worry, the progressive insurgency is coming to save the day.
"Still Bernie"
"Bernie would have won" AND ... ?
HOPE suddenly Congress votes with him? Oh yeah, New and Improved "brand new congress" brought to you by the Department of Homeland Security.
LMAO
edit: can't type and laugh at the same time appearently.
Delusions of grandeur
Delusions of grandeur
Arrogance of ignorance
Distortion of morality
What a great combo.
I just sent Ben of Buzzfeed an email.
I told him his statement about Kos being neutral during the dem primary was a joke. I told him to look at March 2016 when Kos declared that Clinton would win and that this was the point at which the purge of Bernie supporters began.
His email address is right at the bottom of the article.
I hope others correct this man's reporting too.
"Without the right to offend, freedom of speech does not exist." Taslima Nasrin
That is one nutty article. And not in a good way!
Just checked out my signed on 11/11/06
by Mcjoan copy of Crapping the Gates ... ha ha ha.
wow - almost 12 years ago! ah, the memories! getting HR's from those 2 asswipes dinkymini and geekesque (sp?) for calling useless assholes what they were - useless assholes.
on 1 hand, "Crapping..." should be torn up & used to wipe my ass & sent back to Kos-Sherkeli.
on the other hand - I'll keep it to remind myself about the danger of trusting smug, self dealing, self promoting charlatans.
rmm.
But then I sigh; and, with a piece of scripture,
Tell them that God bids us do good for evil:
And thus I clothe my naked villany
With old odd ends stolen out of holy writ;
Yes, Ben's email is at the
Yes, Ben's email is at the bottom of the article. I suggest letting him know how you feel. I just sent him an email to correct his incorrect thinking.
In life, as in dance, grace glides on blistered feet. ~Alice Abrams
Under the Neo's, Opposite Day is Every Day...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
In my inbox this morning is
HUGE, they mean HUUGE news from Kos.
New polling project!! Wowie zowie!!
In other words, Markos found a new scam to con more cash out of a pack of idiot backers.
I think about an outfit like Kos polling the same thing I think about workplace camera surveillance which is that it is the same pack of fools evaluating the evidence.
Mary Bennett