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Submitted by humphrey on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 2:38am

Who is it.

@mimi I think it Granny from "The Beverly Hillbillies." In real life she was Irene Ryan.

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 6:36am

ah, thanks, I googled her, because these are just

@humphrey
the things I can't know, as I didn't grew up in the US during those times. Thanks.

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Submitted by Azazello on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:46am

All US-ians know this song.

@mimi
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_XAPku7SgE width:400 height:240]

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:05am

Granny

@Azazello

haha. How depressed should I be to find out I know all the words all these many years later and can sing right along!? It's scary in a way.

Submitted by Azazello on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:09am

That's the power of the picture-box.

@OLinda

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We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 3:21am

There was a saying among hippies that the family TV set

@Azazello
was the American middle class’s equivalent of the Buddhist house altar.

Center of worship and devotion, source of wisdom and meaning in life.

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:39pm

you should be happy that you remember all of it

@OLinda
I think it's funny and it sounds so USian (of a certain region, I guess). I wished I would remember much more from my twenties and early thirties.

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Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 2:18pm

tv

Thank you, mimi. Yes, it was funny and a fun show. if it was on Netflix i'd watch a few episodes now.

Realizing i knew all the words to something I hadn't thought about in decades made me wonder what else from tv is so strongly and permanently imprinted in my brain. How brainwashed am I? As Azazello said, the power of the picture box. As you say though, good to know my memory is working, hmm?

I no longer have tv in the house. It was more of a financial reason when I canceled, but I think it has been good for me.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 7:42am

@humphrey I'd trust Granny

@humphrey I'd trust Granny first.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:56am

Granny was the smartest one

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal in the Clampett family. Tiny and tough!

I'd trust Granny over nearly any one in Washington DC today.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by gulfgal98 on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:00am

Dupe! Ignore.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:46am

If the Supreme Court doesn't uphold the constitution

@snoopydawg
the country is gone, if it isn't already.

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Submitted by dkmich on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:47am

The Supreme Court doesn't give a ff about the constitution

Hasn't since Reagan and the GOP goons on the right decided they needed to stack the court with ideologues instead of jurists. Ever since then, the goal has been to see who could get the most goons on the court. I seriously don't believe there is a more corrupt country on the planet mimi. I sure hope Europe doesn't totally succumb to these global thugs.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 3:42am

Too late for Europe, unless L/R extremes find way to join forces

@dkmich
The mainstream-propagated political labels and perceptions in Germany seem designed to keep a Left-Right “popular front” from happening.

Like the pod people in the Invasion of the Bodysnatchers remake, folks on the Left are supposed to keep hissing “neo-Nazisss” at the Right, while folks on the Right hiss “want to replace usss with immigrantsss” at the center and Left.

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:51am

afternoon snoopy...

If the truth ever gets out about this and this is prosecuted, how many people are going to be caught up in this?

my guess would be thousands. this is the machinery of the state. if it comes down, so does the state.

Submitted by Ellen North on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 5:34pm

@joe shikspack

@joe shikspack @joe shikspack

And that corrupt State has to come down before that machinery pulps what remains of the world into industrially polluted-to-death/radioactive sludge.

Edited because I must have hit the wrong thing when I thought I canceled this, lol.

And guessing this didn't sneakily post since I can't get past a 'document expired' page

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 5:27pm

At first glance, I thought it was Carroll O'conner

Then I realized that everyone who gets old enough looks like Granny.

I can even see a little Nancy Pelosi in her.

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Carry a burning candle and share the light.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:41pm

Thanks, Pluto

@Pluto's Republic

This is hilarious.

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:38am

here it the link to the Nunes Memo...

I needed that to be able to understand Dore's show with Binney.
The House Intelligence Committee just released the “Nunes memo” — and it contains some explosive allegations about the FBI.

This interview needs desperately a transcript !!!

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Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 3:25am

Actually hearing how out-of-control

the government is is frightening. People knows there is serious problem. But they (WE) have no idea how bad it really is.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Submitted by Alligator Ed on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 4:08am

There is a chance--a small chance--that things may change

As Binney said in the interview, the reason this parallel universe of parallel deception is only starting to get some air time is because now politicians are starting to realize that weapons of deconstitutionalization are now being utilized against some of their own. It's not bad enough that secret spying, the stuff that Clapper said Never happens, continues, but it is introduced as secret evidence to secure criminal cases which could never be brought without such intrusion. Fourth Amendment? Whazzat? Even worse is the unlawful two-step brand of illegal hopscotch which can widen the nets ensnaring other goldfish, who are twice removed from the original instance of alleged crime.

Müller knows this and undoubtedly allows this to go on. He certainly voices no objection to illegally obtained FISA court warrant applications--making him a co-conspirator in a vastly encompassing conspiracy of lies. As an "officer" of the court, countenancing fraud is in itself fraud.

Binney thinks chief Scotus Judge John Roberts knows about this and passively accepting of its existence. If true, we are done as a representative democracy. We have wifi chains binding us much more securely that Commissars on the Block ever could.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 7:44am

@Alligator Ed How long did it take them

@Alligator Ed How long did it take them to figure that out?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:51am

Clapper is now a CNN consultant

@Alligator Ed
F__ker lied to congress (felony) then got caught after Snowden released the NSA documents.
Nothing happens to him, but CNN brings the felon on as a consultant. Pisses me off every time I see him.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by CB on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:42am

Clapper was CNN's consultant long before he got hired by them

@Citizen Of Earth
The only difference is he's now being paid by the Mockingbird Presstitute instead of the taxpayer.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 9:29am

@Citizen Of Earth Well, they also bring

@Citizen Of Earth Well, they also bring on Richard Painter, FFS.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 5:15pm

Ugh. Painter has the stage presence

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
of a Simpsons character. Always talking out of the side of his mouth.

CNN also had some ex-editor from Breibart on a panel. Gawd dam Breibart, News for Aryans. I think CNN is lost. haha.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by k9disc on Mon, 02/26/2018 - 3:00am

Every Network Has Hired Their Own CIA or NSA Director.

Think about that shit for a moment, eh?

NBC has Brennan
CNN has Clapper
FOX has Woolsey

If you would have told me in the 90s that at this point in time we'd have CIA and NSA Directors revolving-dooring their way into the media to "inform" people on the positives of perpetual war and unlimited, warrantless domestic spying, I'd say you had a nice screenplay on your hands.
@Citizen Of Earth

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:02pm

afternoon ae...

@Alligator Ed

this parallel universe of parallel deception is only starting to get some air time is because now politicians are starting to realize that weapons of deconstitutionalization are now being utilized against some of their own

in a way, i think that it's worse. the politicians are realizing that this tool of the deep state is going to become a regular feature of partisan politics and that the deep state has been politicized.

it was ok with them when some marginal figures like eliot spitzer got picked off for getting a little too big for their britches.

my guess is that they are more likely to craft a truce among themselves than end the practices being used against the little people - an exercise in honor amongst thieves.

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 2:34pm

I have to wonder

@joe shikspack

How long the "honor code" among thieves, murderers, and professional liars would last? Would it supercede their appetite for more wealth and power? Taking the Mafia as a comparison, I'd say it would be a tenuous agreement at best.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 5:10am

America

(I may have woke up in a slightly cranky mood.)

So much of this is old news. (But thank you, joe. Glad to see the interview! The Nunes memo info is something i will have to look into more before I can comment directly on treason, etc. Thanks for the link, mimi.)

Our orgs such as ACLU and EFF should be raising hell about this. Not much an individual can do. Maybe as Binney suggests, bring it up to your reps in townhalls, etc., to publicize it. Of course we should all be in the streets, but even that is too scary for most folks to do now with our militarized police and the risk of being locked up without trial and other unconstitutional harms that are now common place.

It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." It needed to be presented in all seriousness. It reminds me of my feelings of newspapers. The average person takes a cue from presentation. Say for example an article on this on page 4 with a regular sized headline will be given less importance than the exactly same worded article on the front page with a large type headline.The average person has enough trouble understanding some of these issues, and takes cues whether they realize it or not.

For being so connected, Binney repeatedly mispronounces Mueller's name.

As for reporters being afraid to report it, somehow I knew about it, and joe, you did too. (Parallel construction.) (And "secret court" for that matter.) We have discussed in on TEB. I don't recall from where or how long ago (a long time) I first heard about parallel construction. It's another one of those fairly common knowledge things that we are apparently helpless against.

Now, I'm realizing I didn't wake up cranky. I got cranky while watching this video!

America. From an old tagline: She is so much not like her hype.

The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of the world. At least in other oppressive countries the citizenry knows they are oppressed and surveilled. Americans tend to believe they have a Constitution protecting them. Someone near me says not to worry. We have "checks and balances." !!!

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Good morning, everybody!

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 2:58pm

My guts tell me otherwise, but YMMV.

@OLinda @OLinda
(edited the second video link for part 2 of the Drake video)

It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha."

I don't read it this way. Dore laughs because he is helplessly upset and unsettledly embarrassed about what he just heard and learned from Binney. Binney always has this certain smile, and I dont' think at all that it is a sign of resignation. Look at the volume of speeches and interviews he did over many, many years.Look at all the work Jimmy Dore puts in to "get in our faces with some truth". Both men really didn't resingate at all in my view.. My be you reread just the wikipedia page. And then tell me, with what Binney and Drake went through, if you were in their place, wouldn't you have that cynical, bitter and a little stinky amused smile on your face as well? What else should they do? Cry?

I remember I was once at a small event at the German Historical Institute in Washington DC, where Drake, Binney and Kiriakou and Jessely Radack were in a panel. It was a small audience. And my memory might fail me. But I remember that Joe Shikspack was at that meeting. As we didn't know each other, he realized that we were both in the same room among panel discussion's audience, through some comments I made, later, probably at TOP, because thats the only place I talked at all. I think that was 2013 or 2014. I am sure he remembers that panel much better than I do. I can't find any link to it. Probably if one would go into the archives of the German Historical Institute they may have something on that event.

Here is some documentary in case you never have seen those.
[video:https://youtu.be/uIwzHk39QNM]
[video:https://youtu.be/-A1Xwq1s_SE]
Or watch the movie "A Good American".. .

I have forgotten about them and I can't tell you if I would like those today or not. But I think it's at least a way to know more about Binney and Drake or at least it would help to not get worked up over two men smiling in certain ways.

Ok, may be I got cranky now, because you criticized some people, who really didn't deserve it, imo.

No offense to you personally, your comment just rubbed me the wrong way.

I want peace, at least on this litte rescue boat we all cling to.

So forgive me my "in your face" wording. It's easy to get cranky these days. Let's give us some slack and go on.

(I may have woke up in a slightly cranky mood.) So much of this is old news. (But thank you, joe. Glad to see the interview! The Nunes memo info is something i will have to look into more before I can comment directly on treason, etc. Thanks for the link, mimi.) Our orgs such as ACLU and EFF should be raising hell about this. Not much an individual can do. Maybe as Binney suggests, bring it up to your reps in townhalls, etc., to publicize it. Of course we should all be in the streets, but even that is too scary for most folks to do now with our militarized police and the risk of being locked up without trial and other unconstitutional harms that are now common place. It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." It needed to be presented in all seriousness. It reminds me of my feelings of newspapers. The average person takes a cue from presentation. Say for example an article on this on page 4 with a regular sized headline will be given less importance than the exactly same worded article on the front page with a large type headline.The average person has enough trouble understanding some of these issues, and takes cues whether they realize it or not. For being so connected, Binney repeatedly mispronounces Mueller's name. As for reporters being afraid to report it, somehow I knew about it, and joe, you did too. (Parallel construction.) (And "secret court" for that matter.) We have discussed in on TEB. I don't recall from where or how long ago (a long time) I first heard about parallel construction. It's another one of those fairly common knowledge things that we are apparently helpless against. Now, I'm realizing I didn't wake up cranky. I got cranky while watching this video! America. From an old tagline: She is so much not like her hype. The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of the world. At least in other oppressive countries the citizenry knows they are oppressed and surveilled. Americans tend to believe they have a Constitution protecting them. Someone near me says not to worry. We have "checks and balances." !!! … Good morning, everybody!

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Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:21pm

afternoon mimi...

the event with drake, binney, kiriakou and raddack was put on by the institute for policy studies. they may have some record of it on the web if you're digging for that.

#6 #6 (edited the second video link for part 2 of the Drake video) It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." I don't read it this way. Dore laughs because he is helplessly upset and unsettledly embarrassed about what he just heard and learned from Binney. Binney always has this certain smile, and I dont' think at all that it is a sign of resignation. Look at the volume of speeches and interviews he did over many, many years.Look at all the work Jimmy Dore puts in to "get in our faces with some truth". Both men really didn't resingate at all in my view.. My be you reread just the wikipedia page. And then tell me, with what Binney and Drake went through, if you were in their place, wouldn't you have that cynical, bitter and a little stinky amused smile on your face as well? What else should they do? Cry? I remember I was once at a small event at the German Historical Institute in Washington DC, where Drake, Binney and Kiriakou and Jessely Radack were in a panel. It was a small audience. And my memory might fail me. But I remember that Joe Shikspack was at that meeting. As we didn't know each other, he realized that we were both in the same room among panel discussion's audience, through some comments I made, later, probably at TOP, because thats the only place I talked at all. I think that was 2013 or 2014. I am sure he remembers that panel much better than I do. I can't find any link to it. Probably if one would go into the archives of the German Historical Institute they may have something on that event. Here is some documentary in case you never have seen those. [video:https://youtu.be/uIwzHk39QNM] [video:https://youtu.be/-A1Xwq1s_SE] Or watch the movie "A Good American".. . I have forgotten about them and I can't tell you if I would like those today or not. But I think it's at least a way to know more about Binney and Drake or at least it would help to not get worked up over two men smiling in certain ways. Ok, may be I got cranky now, because you criticized some people, who really didn't deserve it, imo. No offense to you personally, your comment just rubbed me the wrong way. I want peace, at least on this litte rescue boat we all cling to. So forgive me my "in your face" wording. It's easy to get cranky these days. Let's give us some slack and go on.

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:51pm

thx. I try to dig it .../nt

@joe shikspack

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Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 9:30am

@mimi Holy shit, I think I

@mimi Holy shit, I think I was there! Before I knew either of you--well, I knew joe by reputation from the EB.

#6 #6 (edited the second video link for part 2 of the Drake video) It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." I don't read it this way. Dore laughs because he is helplessly upset and unsettledly embarrassed about what he just heard and learned from Binney. Binney always has this certain smile, and I dont' think at all that it is a sign of resignation. Look at the volume of speeches and interviews he did over many, many years.Look at all the work Jimmy Dore puts in to "get in our faces with some truth". Both men really didn't resingate at all in my view.. My be you reread just the wikipedia page. And then tell me, with what Binney and Drake went through, if you were in their place, wouldn't you have that cynical, bitter and a little stinky amused smile on your face as well? What else should they do? Cry? I remember I was once at a small event at the German Historical Institute in Washington DC, where Drake, Binney and Kiriakou and Jessely Radack were in a panel. It was a small audience. And my memory might fail me. But I remember that Joe Shikspack was at that meeting. As we didn't know each other, he realized that we were both in the same room among panel discussion's audience, through some comments I made, later, probably at TOP, because thats the only place I talked at all. I think that was 2013 or 2014. I am sure he remembers that panel much better than I do. I can't find any link to it. Probably if one would go into the archives of the German Historical Institute they may have something on that event. Here is some documentary in case you never have seen those. [video:https://youtu.be/uIwzHk39QNM] [video:https://youtu.be/-A1Xwq1s_SE] Or watch the movie "A Good American".. . I have forgotten about them and I can't tell you if I would like those today or not. But I think it's at least a way to know more about Binney and Drake or at least it would help to not get worked up over two men smiling in certain ways. Ok, may be I got cranky now, because you criticized some people, who really didn't deserve it, imo. No offense to you personally, your comment just rubbed me the wrong way. I want peace, at least on this litte rescue boat we all cling to. So forgive me my "in your face" wording. It's easy to get cranky these days. Let's give us some slack and go on.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:15pm

afternoon olinda...

@OLinda

yep, there is a lot of old news in there. on the other hand, it is new to an awful lot of people. you and i have been paying attention for quite a while, most people not so much.

one of the big reasons that i started doing the evening blues in the first place over at top was because i found so many of my interlocutors over there so woefully under informed (or misinformed).

i was not put off by the laughter, jimmy dore is after all a comedian. perhaps at this point in the life of the empire the jester is the only one who can tell the truth without fear of the king's wrath. comedians seem to offer far more penetrating, concise analysis of politics these days than you will ever find on the news media. it's my feeling that the more this news circulates the better, even if it has a laugh track.

The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of the world. At least in other oppressive countries the citizenry knows they are oppressed and surveilled. Americans tend to believe they have a Constitution protecting them. Someone near me says not to worry. We have "checks and balances." !!!

this is what americans want to believe. most of us know better.

(I may have woke up in a slightly cranky mood.) So much of this is old news. (But thank you, joe. Glad to see the interview! The Nunes memo info is something i will have to look into more before I can comment directly on treason, etc. Thanks for the link, mimi.) Our orgs such as ACLU and EFF should be raising hell about this. Not much an individual can do. Maybe as Binney suggests, bring it up to your reps in townhalls, etc., to publicize it. Of course we should all be in the streets, but even that is too scary for most folks to do now with our militarized police and the risk of being locked up without trial and other unconstitutional harms that are now common place. It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." It needed to be presented in all seriousness. It reminds me of my feelings of newspapers. The average person takes a cue from presentation. Say for example an article on this on page 4 with a regular sized headline will be given less importance than the exactly same worded article on the front page with a large type headline.The average person has enough trouble understanding some of these issues, and takes cues whether they realize it or not. For being so connected, Binney repeatedly mispronounces Mueller's name. As for reporters being afraid to report it, somehow I knew about it, and joe, you did too. (Parallel construction.) (And "secret court" for that matter.) We have discussed in on TEB. I don't recall from where or how long ago (a long time) I first heard about parallel construction. It's another one of those fairly common knowledge things that we are apparently helpless against. Now, I'm realizing I didn't wake up cranky. I got cranky while watching this video! America. From an old tagline: She is so much not like her hype. The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of the world. At least in other oppressive countries the citizenry knows they are oppressed and surveilled. Americans tend to believe they have a Constitution protecting them. Someone near me says not to worry. We have "checks and balances." !!! … Good morning, everybody!

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:33pm

'laugh track'

@joe shikspack

Thank you, joe. Hope you had a nice sleep and morning. You have a lot of comments to catch up on. Your essay was obviously needed and well received!

Good point: It did occur to me that Dore is a comedian and it's a comedy show, although as you say, he does some great analysis and informs people. Maybe he needs to keep it somewhat light for that reason.
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off topic - i've listened to most of the Risen/Greenwald debate. Taibbi was right in his comment about that fight. I was surprised, and it is nice to get to see more of Risen's personality. The podcast is a portion of the debate and all of it is supposed to be posted at The Intercept today or tonight. Maybe we can talk more at TEB later.

Submitted by mimi on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 2:48pm

OLinda, I just wanted to apologize in public to you

@OLinda
it is clear that I don't know much and don't know you and it was inappropriate to show my frustration about your comment. I am sorry. You are an insider, old-timer with lots and lots of knowledge and I am an outsider, newcomers with nothing to offer than my guts and feelings without any knowledge and with a fading memory.

I hope you forgive me.

(I may have woke up in a slightly cranky mood.) So much of this is old news. (But thank you, joe. Glad to see the interview! The Nunes memo info is something i will have to look into more before I can comment directly on treason, etc. Thanks for the link, mimi.) Our orgs such as ACLU and EFF should be raising hell about this. Not much an individual can do. Maybe as Binney suggests, bring it up to your reps in townhalls, etc., to publicize it. Of course we should all be in the streets, but even that is too scary for most folks to do now with our militarized police and the risk of being locked up without trial and other unconstitutional harms that are now common place. It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." It needed to be presented in all seriousness. It reminds me of my feelings of newspapers. The average person takes a cue from presentation. Say for example an article on this on page 4 with a regular sized headline will be given less importance than the exactly same worded article on the front page with a large type headline.The average person has enough trouble understanding some of these issues, and takes cues whether they realize it or not. For being so connected, Binney repeatedly mispronounces Mueller's name. As for reporters being afraid to report it, somehow I knew about it, and joe, you did too. (Parallel construction.) (And "secret court" for that matter.) We have discussed in on TEB. I don't recall from where or how long ago (a long time) I first heard about parallel construction. It's another one of those fairly common knowledge things that we are apparently helpless against. Now, I'm realizing I didn't wake up cranky. I got cranky while watching this video! America. From an old tagline: She is so much not like her hype. The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of the world. At least in other oppressive countries the citizenry knows they are oppressed and surveilled. Americans tend to believe they have a Constitution protecting them. Someone near me says not to worry. We have "checks and balances." !!! … Good morning, everybody!

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Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 3:31pm

Thanks, mimi

Jury Awards $4.4 Million Damages to Bari and Cherney

Thank you, mimi. But, no need to apologize, really. I didn't reply because I didn't know what to say, but there were, and are, no hard feelings. I appreciate your comment.

Submitted by k9disc on Mon, 02/26/2018 - 3:13am

Parallel Construction Was New to Me, and I've Been On This Beat

Since TIA. Don't know how I missed it.

I was using a phrase "retroactive permission" to describe what was happening with the FISA court. I had never heard anyone actually discuss the intricacies of our Great Star Chamber.

While it was pretty amazing to hear my understanding of FISA to be proven true from a legit source, it was a bit too much for me.

I still blanched at the depth of lawlessness involved in this simple legal loophole. It was a lot to take in. The gallows humor didn't help with presentation, but it certainly put me more at ease; a good thing for me and perhaps many on this site, not so good for those waking up or still sleeping.
@OLinda

(I may have woke up in a slightly cranky mood.) So much of this is old news. (But thank you, joe. Glad to see the interview! The Nunes memo info is something i will have to look into more before I can comment directly on treason, etc. Thanks for the link, mimi.) Our orgs such as ACLU and EFF should be raising hell about this. Not much an individual can do. Maybe as Binney suggests, bring it up to your reps in townhalls, etc., to publicize it. Of course we should all be in the streets, but even that is too scary for most folks to do now with our militarized police and the risk of being locked up without trial and other unconstitutional harms that are now common place. It also bugs me that Binney and Dore laugh through the entire discussion. Sure, it's human nature. It's a laugh of resignation. "Oh well, that's life. hahaha." It needed to be presented in all seriousness. It reminds me of my feelings of newspapers. The average person takes a cue from presentation. Say for example an article on this on page 4 with a regular sized headline will be given less importance than the exactly same worded article on the front page with a large type headline.The average person has enough trouble understanding some of these issues, and takes cues whether they realize it or not. For being so connected, Binney repeatedly mispronounces Mueller's name. As for reporters being afraid to report it, somehow I knew about it, and joe, you did too. (Parallel construction.) (And "secret court" for that matter.) We have discussed in on TEB. I don't recall from where or how long ago (a long time) I first heard about parallel construction. It's another one of those fairly common knowledge things that we are apparently helpless against. Now, I'm realizing I didn't wake up cranky. I got cranky while watching this video! America. From an old tagline: She is so much not like her hype. The American people are the most propagandized people in the history of the world. At least in other oppressive countries the citizenry knows they are oppressed and surveilled. Americans tend to believe they have a Constitution protecting them. Someone near me says not to worry. We have "checks and balances." !!! … Good morning, everybody!

—

“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

Submitted by eyo on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 6:01am

First time I ever saw a sign saying "Abolish the FBI" 2002

tl;dr Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney sued the FBI in Federal court, before a jury of peers, and they won. Good morning and thanks for the video.
APRIL 8, 2002 in front of the Federal Courthouse in Oakland is where I saw the sign, I remember the blatant truth shocked me . Ask Native Americans. [ABOLISH THE FBI] Yeah, Jimmy was naive, and there is no "undo" so that's good. Back to 2002,

At noon today, Earth First! will hold a support rally in front of the courthouse. Speakers and performers will include acclaimed author and international activist Starhawk, Leonard Peltier Defense Committee spokesperson Linda Sixfeathers, musician and activist Alice diMicele, and Judi Bari’s oldest daughter Lisa Bari, who was nine when her mother was the victim of the bomb blast in her car.

April 8th is my brother's birthday and death day so it is special to me anyway. Starhawk made some powerful magic with ancestral visualizations. woo

As the FBI's contention that the bombing was an accidental detonation was shown to be completely implausible in the face of physical evidence, the theory that the assailant was related to the FBI gained currency. Within a year, Bari developed the theory that the bomber was an acquaintance of hers whom she suspected of being an FBI informant. The close resemblance of the May 24 bombing of Bari's car to "crime scenes" fabricated by the FBI in a "bomb school" held in redwood country earlier that year, as discovered during depositions for Bari's Civil Rights lawsuit in 1994, was taken by Bari and her followers as supporting evidence that the FBI was responsible for the bombing. The FBI school was intended to train local and state police officers on how to investigate bomb scenes. The school taught that bomb explosions inside a vehicle were not likely to involve targets of bombing but indicated the knowing, criminal transportation of homemade bombs. This was said to be because it was difficult to break into a locked car to plant a bomb. Nevertheless, two of the three bombs set off as a practicum for the school were placed inside automobiles.[34][35]

According to Bari, FBI Special Agent Frank Doyle was the bomb school instructor, and at least four of the law enforcement responders to the bombing were his students at the school.[35]

Bari had received numerous death threats citing her anti-logging activism in the weeks before the bombing. She had reported them to local police, and after the bombing, Bari's attorney turned written threats over to the FBI for investigation. The local police and the FBI never investigated, court evidence later showed.[36]

The American public needs to understand that the FBI can't be trusted. Ten jurors got a good, hard look at the FBI and they didn't like what they saw. Earth First! is known for blockading things like clearcuts. Today we blockaded the FBI from clearcutting the Constitution.
- Darryl Cherney

Solidarity
GoFundTheConstitution
sue the FBI
MAGA

edited: spelling, grammar, sentence structure. meh

Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 6:25am

Thank you, joe.

This is explosive! Not surprising though. It explains a great deal. Indeed, we need to spread this far and wide. We knew our democracy was in jeopardy, but it’s beyond that.

—

"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 6:58am

The Constitution has never protected anyone....

....unless you're rich. After all, this country was founded for and by plutocrats.

—

Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 7:46am

@The Aspie Corner Perhaps instead of the

@The Aspie Corner Perhaps instead of the Constitution, we should say "the Bill of Rights." Which Madison and others didn't want attached to the Constitution in the first place.

—

"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by The Aspie Corner on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 8:44am

Fair enough.

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Either way, the Constitution and Bill of Rights was never actually meant to apply to the peasantry.

—

Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

Submitted by Cant Stop the M... on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 9:31am

@The Aspie Corner I am not sure of that

@The Aspie Corner I am not sure of that. I am sure they weren't intended to apply to women or Black people or indigenous people. Those applications were insisted on much later.

—

"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Submitted by eyo on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 8:53am

First and Fourth amendments, 2 of 27

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal thanks, here's the wiki List of amendments to the United States Constitution, and nice photo to go with.

Twenty-seven of these, having been ratified by the requisite number of states, are part of the Constitution. The first ten amendments were adopted and ratified simultaneously and are known collectively as the Bill of Rights. Six amendments adopted by Congress and sent to the states have not been ratified by the required number of states. Four of these amendments are still technically open and pending, one is closed and has failed by its own terms, and one is closed and has failed by the terms of the resolution proposing it.

Photo Copyright 2002 Nicholas Wilson
PHOTO: 2002 Nicholas Wilson
Judi and Darryl were innocent, they did not bomb themselves. Nobody was arrested, nobody was charged, nobody roams free in Cloverdale today, I think they post online in the local paper, good old boys full of free market pride and joy. Cuckoos for coco puffs.

Eighty percent of the damages were for violation of free speech rights under the First Amendment, validating Bari and Cherney's longstanding claim that they were targeted for false charges because of their political activism for the redwoods. The balance of the damages were for the Fourth Amendment violations of false arrest and unlawful search.

Plutocrats don't seem interested in restoring civil rights, that's what it looks like to me. Surrounded by psychos.

P.S. The best day I ever had was a group day in the redwoods with Judi Bari, when she said "If they were trying to shut me up, they blew up the wrong end" and we laughed about it but it wasn't that funny. She couldn't really sit or drive or walk right after they bombed her, in pain she still kept going. Drove us around in her van, reciting history of the Pygmy Forest nearby off the top of her head. Righteous to the end she was amazing. right on

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 8:57am

Forgot about that one. Binney mentions

Eliot Spitzer. The NYS AG was set up by the Bush Crime Family, who also abused the FISA courts to demonize and destroy their political rivals.

In that case, if I remember correctly, Spitzer had been compiling evidence to indict the Bush administration for ties to financial calamities that would lay some of the bedrock for the '08 crash.

I have a friend afflicted with the precondition of reactionary Conservatism (although the kind of full scale MSM propaganda hit-job orchestrated by the implicated Rethugs also effected the views of LW people, by the sheer scale and blanketing of coverage) who was still clutching his pearls years later in dislike for Spitzer because his Catholic morals were offended by Spitzer's preference for call girls (but not so much for the millions of people thrown out of their homes because of fraudulent mortgages cooked up by Wall St).

Good film made by Alex Gibney on how he was setup, called "Client 9" (sorry for what looks like a tawdry link, but was the only one I could find).

Incidentally saw it on Netflix. And during a protest at the Citibank building in Long Island City, got to talking with a few of the cops who were sent to protect the thousands of Citibank employees sitting in their cubicles in the highest office building in the boroughs (at that time, may still be but that's doubtful with the insane real estate tycoon takeover of NYC) from the handful of peaceful middle-aged protesters, even as we included radical author/former British emissary Carne Ross. Found out that some of these guys (surprise!) are just regular dudes too, and are curious about what they see and here out at protests and see in the "news." One told me he had watched that film, and suggested Spitzer was set up, and had seen others of that ilk which were challenging the status quo being reported about political events/people.

Point is, people are so snowed in by propaganda that sometimes they just need to be gently nudged in the right direction (that some are already moving in), to seek out a deeper truth, which means becoming more discerning about the rapid fire bullshit hosing us from all directions.

—

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:10pm

I caught Binneys reference

@Mark from Queens

To Elliot Spitzer too but wasn't sure about the context. God. This is worse then I thought.

I was also equally jarred to hear that the CEO of Quest Communications was falsely set up by the FBI and incarcerated for 5 years. I remember when he refused to comply and was heartened back then that a CEO anywhere had exhibited that much integrity. To learn now, after all this time, that his integrity was "rewarded" by our thuggish government as a punitive measure, disgusts and scares the shit out of me.

OTOH, to a lesser extent, it also informs me of where the arrogance comes from and why political crime families believe they can flaunt their crimes in all our faces with impunity. I guess people like the Clintons and the Bushes really do think they're so powerful that nothing can touch them.

Eliot Spitzer. The NYS AG was set up by the Bush Crime Family, who also abused the FISA courts to demonize and destroy their political rivals. In that case, if I remember correctly, Spitzer had been compiling evidence to indict the Bush administration for ties to financial calamities that would lay some of the bedrock for the '08 crash. I have a friend afflicted with the precondition of reactionary Conservatism (although the kind of full scale MSM propaganda hit-job orchestrated by the implicated Rethugs also effected the views of LW people, by the sheer scale and blanketing of coverage) who was still clutching his pearls years later in dislike for Spitzer because his Catholic morals were offended by Spitzer's preference for call girls (but not so much for the millions of people thrown out of their homes because of fraudulent mortgages cooked up by Wall St). Good film made by Alex Gibney on how he was setup, called "Client 9" (sorry for what looks like a tawdry link, but was the only one I could find). Incidentally saw it on Netflix. And during a protest at the Citibank building in Long Island City, got to talking with a few of the cops who were sent to protect the thousands of Citibank employees sitting in their cubicles in the highest office building in the boroughs (at that time, may still be but that's doubtful with the insane real estate tycoon takeover of NYC) from the handful of peaceful middle-aged protesters, even as we included radical author/former British emissary Carne Ross. Found out that some of these guys (surprise!) are just regular dudes too, and are curious about what they see and here out at protests and see in the "news." One told me he had watched that film, and suggested Spitzer was set up, and had seen others of that ilk which were challenging the status quo being reported about political events/people. Point is, people are so snowed in by propaganda that sometimes they just need to be gently nudged in the right direction (that some are already moving in), to seek out a deeper truth, which means becoming more discerning about the rapid fire bullshit hosing us from all directions.

—

There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Submitted by WIProgressive on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:55pm

Wasn't Don Seigelman also a victim of the Bushies?

@Anja Geitz

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:25pm

In a word, yes.

@WIProgressive

But they sent Karl Rove to do partisan dirty work. Another arrogant psychopath we can add to that growing list.

—

There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 5:16pm

Finding a way to get cops on our side

@Mark from Queens

would be great. They too are going to be in the crosshairs one day. Their pension plans are a huge target for the money hungry hedge funds. Once the PTB see that it's cheaper to hire mercenaries, the cops are going to be toast. Hopefully they will wake up and see this before their pensions are no more.

Eliot Spitzer. The NYS AG was set up by the Bush Crime Family, who also abused the FISA courts to demonize and destroy their political rivals. In that case, if I remember correctly, Spitzer had been compiling evidence to indict the Bush administration for ties to financial calamities that would lay some of the bedrock for the '08 crash. I have a friend afflicted with the precondition of reactionary Conservatism (although the kind of full scale MSM propaganda hit-job orchestrated by the implicated Rethugs also effected the views of LW people, by the sheer scale and blanketing of coverage) who was still clutching his pearls years later in dislike for Spitzer because his Catholic morals were offended by Spitzer's preference for call girls (but not so much for the millions of people thrown out of their homes because of fraudulent mortgages cooked up by Wall St). Good film made by Alex Gibney on how he was setup, called "Client 9" (sorry for what looks like a tawdry link, but was the only one I could find). Incidentally saw it on Netflix. And during a protest at the Citibank building in Long Island City, got to talking with a few of the cops who were sent to protect the thousands of Citibank employees sitting in their cubicles in the highest office building in the boroughs (at that time, may still be but that's doubtful with the insane real estate tycoon takeover of NYC) from the handful of peaceful middle-aged protesters, even as we included radical author/former British emissary Carne Ross. Found out that some of these guys (surprise!) are just regular dudes too, and are curious about what they see and here out at protests and see in the "news." One told me he had watched that film, and suggested Spitzer was set up, and had seen others of that ilk which were challenging the status quo being reported about political events/people. Point is, people are so snowed in by propaganda that sometimes they just need to be gently nudged in the right direction (that some are already moving in), to seek out a deeper truth, which means becoming more discerning about the rapid fire bullshit hosing us from all directions.

—

Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by lotlizard on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 4:04am

Mercenaries, robots, drones with hi-tech weaponry replacing cops

@snoopydawg
Very plausible next step, in the elites’ evolution towards technologically ever higher, morally ever lower forms of totalitarian control.

Facebook, Amazon, and Google users clicking and tapping are just the industrial scale-up of B.F. Skinner’s prototype pecking pigeons and maze rats.

Submitted by ggersh on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 8:59am

Tricky's doing cartwheels trying to figure out

why what he did was so bad.....

must've been he was to liberal,
who'd of thunk that.

dubya warned us all that the constitution is only
a piece of paper.

—

I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

Submitted by Lookout on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:01am

Bill Binney is a hero...

I hope his suits reach the public, and people can hear about the lack of justice in the dept. of JustUs.

I thought this old interview with Ray McGovern and Bill about the DNC leak was really good too. (11 min) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1BZD6UX3wU

The documentary of Bill's saga in the NSA "A Good American" is also worth a watch for those of you who have not seen it. http://agoodamerican.org/

Thanks for the clip Joe. Good to see you this morning!

—

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

Submitted by randtntx on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:18am

Thanks Joe.

On my list to watch is the documentary about Binney; The Good American
It was recommended by Lookout way back when, I started it but have yet to finish. As was suggested above in the comments, we all know this stuff...sort of... but it is still startling to hear it so explicitly.

Submitted by Mark from Queens on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:57am

"A Good American," made by Austrian filmmaker

@randtntx
Friedrich Moser, with Oliver Stone (I think) as Executive Producer.

Official website here:

...a gripping docu-thriller about a groundbreaking surveillance program, the brilliant mastermind behind it and how a perfect alternative to mass surveillance was killed by NSA-management for money – three weeks prior to 9/11.

Bill Binney was a brilliant cryptologist and long-time National Security Agency (NSA) analyst, since 1997 serving as Technical Director. Binney developed a sophisticated program named ThinThread for gathering data capable of providing clues, in real-time, of potential terrorist threats.

Built-in safeguards would have prevented the massive surveillance methods later exposed by Edward Snowden. Why was this program killed off? And who was behind that?

Friedrich Moser’s eye-opening and deeply disturbing documentary tells the complete story of Bill Binney and those, both inside the NSA and out, who backed ThinThread. A program that gathered data, lawfully, effectively, and more inexpensively, than the now discredited programs pursued by the US and EU governments.

It’s also a chilling account of those willing to go on the record and what happened to them when they tried to expose the truth. Could ThinThread have prevented 9/11?

Very likely, as a test-run has shown, whose results are still classified to this day.

—

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

Submitted by randtntx on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:39am

Didn't see you there

in the comment above me but you're the one lookout who alerted me to Binney. All this is heartbreaking and exhausting, but hey, look at Binney, he is no spring chicken and he has the spirit. Some of the kids have the spirit too, and they have the energy. The reason for this place....share the knowledge. Don't loose the spirit and sing.

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:43am

NSA - National Stasi Agency

The parallels to the German Stasi are striking: unconstitutional wire tapping and spying, framing innocent parties and imprisoning them, government rotten to its core. Binney escaped prison because he is smarter than the corrupt bureaucrats and caught them in their own damn lies.

Binney is a true optimist if he really believes that President Shithole will do the right thing to expose all this. But that would be glorious.

—

Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 5:22pm

What's even worse about this illegal wiretapping

@Citizen Of Earth

is that people are putting devices in their homes to make it easy for them to gather their information. In fact, they are paying for them to do it. But you know what they say about being spied on.

—

Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by bobswern on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:17am

Couldn't resist commenting...

...so here are some old links from TOP (based upon my own knowledge base, there are one or two minor inaccuracies in Bill Binney's comments, but they're basically impertinent to the bigger picture, and even the smaller picture of this travesty)...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/8/14/1321471/-NY-Times-US-Spies-On...

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/4/28/1295204/-Guardian-Wheeler-Rev...

The pathetic reality is this is all extensively funded DIRECTLY from the White House "Drug Czar's" budget.

I'll be contributing more to C99P in coming months. But, back to (never-ending) work for yours truly, in the interim.

—

"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson

Submitted by dkmich on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:55am

looking forward to that.

You've been missed and would be a welcome complement to our group of great contributors. Take care.

—

"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

Submitted by OLinda on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:08am

ditto on

dkmich's comment. Good to see you, bobswern.

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:27pm

afternoon bob...

great to see you! i hope that all is well.

thanks for the links, and i look forward to reading more from you soon!

Submitted by bobswern on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:39pm

C99P is a veritable island of online sanity!

@joe shikspack Looking forward to having the time to post my work here. I can't say this enough: My heartfelt thanks for doing what you do here, Joe! Best to you and JtC, et al.

—

"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson

Submitted by Pluto's Republic on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:10pm

Who knew it would be this horrific

...to live in an Empire that was dying? Who could know that the US would thrash around violently on the world stage like a mortally wounded mastodon?

And yet, we could see it coming. The madness was clear when Bush the Simple took the throne. They will easily kill us all, in their terrified state, where their heart-stopping fear of "communism" and a shared economy has completely replaced their sanity.

What would you have done differently if you trusted your instincts at the turn of the Millennium and had some clarity about what's about to happen to us?

—

Carry a burning candle and share the light.

Submitted by bobswern on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 10:23am

I have to change that Thomas Jefferson quote!

I was using that quote prior to November 2016; back when an occasional piece of real news made it to the MSM. Nowadays, not so much.

—

"Freedom is something that dies unless it's used." --Hunter S. Thompson

Submitted by CB on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:27am

Stellar Wind reaches deeper than domestic crime. MUCH deeper.

I believe that even the US Congress has been compromised. Nancy Pelosi has known about Stellar Wind since it's inception but has had to keep her mouth shut.

From a talk at MIT in 2012

THE GOVERNMENT IS PROFILING YOU: WILLIAM BINNEY (FORMER NSA)

“While spreading an atmosphere of fear after 9/11, our government has violated our laws, prevented the Congress and courts from doing their Constitutional duty, created a surveillance state and concentrated power in the executive, all in the name of keeping us safe. In an effort to reverse these ongoing unconstitutional activities, William Binney revealed the National Security Agency's massive domestic spying program, Stellar Wind, which intercepts domestic communications without protections for US citizens. Binney disclosed that NSA sought and received access to telecommunications companies' domestic and international billing records.”

“He told the public that, since 9/11, the agency has intercepted between 15 and 20 trillion communications. Binney also revealed that the NSA concealed Stellar Wind under the patriotic-sounding "Terrorist Surveillance Program," in order to give cover to the warrant-less surveillance program's violations of Americans' constitutional rights.”
...
Shava Nerad, former ED of TOR Project: My dad was an activist with SCLC and Dr. King, that's how I came into this. When it was possible to request his records from the FBI, from 1963, he got a large paper box. The FBI knew who he had lunch with every summer. This isn't new, it's just electronic. It's been going on for a century, at least. One of the things that being ED of Tor did, my family has leadership positions in government, military, and activist circles. I got to talk to a lot of poeple on the agency side of things. After Patriot act, the people who wanted to respect civil rights and civil liberties, they would be trampled for every promotion in their work and left behind. And there would be no people with those attitudes at the high levels of any of those agencies. It happens in every branch of DHS, in Bush administration. Understanding that even people who deeply believe in these rights are forced into compromising their integrity.

Binney: They're being threatened and intimidated.

SN: people in these agencies aren't all jerks. They literally can't complain. They're prevented from talking about that.

Binney: Stellar Wind knowledge was limited to 4 people, to begin with. Nancy Pelosi, two Senators. Chief and ranking members of House and Senate Intel committees. So, people have no way of validating these things, or monitoring them. They subverted our entire constitutional process.

SN: during the Bush administration, many people held on by their fingernails. Career diplomats gritting their teeth for 8 years, trying to swallow their bile.

Binney: it doesn't get any better with any party, it seems.
...
Bill: Pelosi said 'impeachment of Bush is off the table,' partly because she couldn't impeach him without impeaching herself.

Q: Clarification: we've been talking about the FISA amendment act. The problem there is that internal/external communications are being monitored. But it seems like a red herring, if all communications are being captured.

Bill: the problem is secrecy. We have no way of knowing what they're doing!

Q: Is there a boundary that prevents this warrant-less tapping from entering the courtroom?

Bill: The tap they have on me, they entered it in an affidavit, and said I told them about that conversation.

Q: Where do you see this in 5-10 years, given the fusion centers and whatnot?

Bill: I've said in a number of forums that it's going towards a totalitarian state. We'll have an imperial president, and a dictator. Everyone in Congress is violating the constitution by supporting this activity. We have to throw it in their face. Put them on the record in public.
...
Bill: As citizens of this country: what kind of country do you want? That's what's at stake here.

Q: I was wondering: how much of a threat are private surveillance systems, political surveillance, credit card surveillance, commercial systems.

Bill: credit cards, financial transactions, the standard used to be: if the transaction was more than 10k it went on the list. For 911, they transferred 60k for Atta's flight training. But they don't' analyze things properly, or pay attention. This is now coming back to financial transactions of US citizens. If you fall out of grace with the administration, that problem occurs.

Carol: In the EU system, you own information about yourself. Here, your ISP owns the info. Your banker owns your info. The only exception is video, which is an exception because it was done to a Supreme Court justice. In Europe, you own info about yourself, and the state needs permission. Here, you don't! The NSA just gets it. Now, county prosecutors can go without a warrant and get information about you. We need to change that 3rd party doctrine. I think it can make a big difference.
...

The intelligence agencies are using their unprecedented powers of surveillance to effectively control the American government. Russiagate is nothing but a massive, stinking red herring they are dragging back and forth in front of the gullible public with the collusion of the Mockingbird media. It's sole purpose is to obscure and change the narrative from the can of worms the Nunes memo has opened - the ease at which the FISA court can be subverted for witch hunting inside the US government itself.

The Deep State can pull private info on each and every member of Congress, the media and everyone here in C99. They have copies of every phone call, email, text and tweet you have made since 9/11. They know your banking, where you shop, what you eat, what toothpaste you use, what movies you go to, your hobbies, what kind of porn you are into. They know more about you than your closest confidant.

Knowledge is power. Absolute knowledge is absolute power.

The ~~NSA~~ Thought Police feeds information to the ~~Deep State~~ Inner Party that can make or break ANYONE. They even have the power to change the past with the modification or destruction of current digital documents.

Recent events have proved there are no effective controls in place to protect the people or it's government from the Deep State. The Democratic and Republican political parties have joined at the groin to become INGSOC.

We have always been at war with Russia.

[video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y]

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 5:38pm

The totalitarian state is already here.

@CB

I've said in a number of forums that it's going towards a totalitarian state

When the TSA was created I quit flying because of it. I thought that more people would have been upset about that, but no. They said that it's a small price to pay to keep us safe. BS!

Now people watch as little children, the elderly in wheelchairs and disabled veterans are groped by some Two Bit Hackney. And then they take their shoes off.

Great comment. All of the comments here are great. Thanks, joe

I believe that even the US Congress has been compromised. Nancy Pelosi has known about Stellar Wind since it's inception but has had to keep her mouth shut.

From a talk at MIT in 2012

THE GOVERNMENT IS PROFILING YOU: WILLIAM BINNEY (FORMER NSA)

“While spreading an atmosphere of fear after 9/11, our government has violated our laws, prevented the Congress and courts from doing their Constitutional duty, created a surveillance state and concentrated power in the executive, all in the name of keeping us safe. In an effort to reverse these ongoing unconstitutional activities, William Binney revealed the National Security Agency's massive domestic spying program, Stellar Wind, which intercepts domestic communications without protections for US citizens. Binney disclosed that NSA sought and received access to telecommunications companies' domestic and international billing records.”

“He told the public that, since 9/11, the agency has intercepted between 15 and 20 trillion communications. Binney also revealed that the NSA concealed Stellar Wind under the patriotic-sounding "Terrorist Surveillance Program," in order to give cover to the warrant-less surveillance program's violations of Americans' constitutional rights.”
...
Shava Nerad, former ED of TOR Project: My dad was an activist with SCLC and Dr. King, that's how I came into this. When it was possible to request his records from the FBI, from 1963, he got a large paper box. The FBI knew who he had lunch with every summer. This isn't new, it's just electronic. It's been going on for a century, at least. One of the things that being ED of Tor did, my family has leadership positions in government, military, and activist circles. I got to talk to a lot of poeple on the agency side of things. After Patriot act, the people who wanted to respect civil rights and civil liberties, they would be trampled for every promotion in their work and left behind. And there would be no people with those attitudes at the high levels of any of those agencies. It happens in every branch of DHS, in Bush administration. Understanding that even people who deeply believe in these rights are forced into compromising their integrity.

Binney: They're being threatened and intimidated.

SN: people in these agencies aren't all jerks. They literally can't complain. They're prevented from talking about that.

Binney: Stellar Wind knowledge was limited to 4 people, to begin with. Nancy Pelosi, two Senators. Chief and ranking members of House and Senate Intel committees. So, people have no way of validating these things, or monitoring them. They subverted our entire constitutional process.

SN: during the Bush administration, many people held on by their fingernails. Career diplomats gritting their teeth for 8 years, trying to swallow their bile.

Binney: it doesn't get any better with any party, it seems.
...
Bill: Pelosi said 'impeachment of Bush is off the table,' partly because she couldn't impeach him without impeaching herself.

Q: Clarification: we've been talking about the FISA amendment act. The problem there is that internal/external communications are being monitored. But it seems like a red herring, if all communications are being captured.

Bill: the problem is secrecy. We have no way of knowing what they're doing!

Q: Is there a boundary that prevents this warrant-less tapping from entering the courtroom?

Bill: The tap they have on me, they entered it in an affidavit, and said I told them about that conversation.

Q: Where do you see this in 5-10 years, given the fusion centers and whatnot?

Bill: I've said in a number of forums that it's going towards a totalitarian state. We'll have an imperial president, and a dictator. Everyone in Congress is violating the constitution by supporting this activity. We have to throw it in their face. Put them on the record in public.
...
Bill: As citizens of this country: what kind of country do you want? That's what's at stake here.

Q: I was wondering: how much of a threat are private surveillance systems, political surveillance, credit card surveillance, commercial systems.

Bill: credit cards, financial transactions, the standard used to be: if the transaction was more than 10k it went on the list. For 911, they transferred 60k for Atta's flight training. But they don't' analyze things properly, or pay attention. This is now coming back to financial transactions of US citizens. If you fall out of grace with the administration, that problem occurs.

Carol: In the EU system, you own information about yourself. Here, your ISP owns the info. Your banker owns your info. The only exception is video, which is an exception because it was done to a Supreme Court justice. In Europe, you own info about yourself, and the state needs permission. Here, you don't! The NSA just gets it. Now, county prosecutors can go without a warrant and get information about you. We need to change that 3rd party doctrine. I think it can make a big difference.
...

The intelligence agencies are using their unprecedented powers of surveillance to effectively control the American government. Russiagate is nothing but a massive, stinking red herring they are dragging back and forth in front of the gullible public with the collusion of the Mockingbird media. It's sole purpose is to obscure and change the narrative from the can of worms the Nunes memo has opened - the ease at which the FISA court can be subverted for witch hunting inside the US government itself.

The Deep State can pull private info on each and every member of Congress, the media and everyone here in C99. They have copies of every phone call, email, text and tweet you have made since 9/11. They know your banking, where you shop, what you eat, what toothpaste you use, what movies you go to, your hobbies, what kind of porn you are into. They know more about you than your closest confidant.

Knowledge is power. Absolute knowledge is absolute power.

The ~~NSA~~ Thought Police feeds information to the ~~Deep State~~ Inner Party that can make or break ANYONE. They even have the power to change the past with the modification or destruction of current digital documents.

Recent events have proved there are no effective controls in place to protect the people or it's government from the Deep State. The Democratic and Republican political parties have joined at the groin to become INGSOC.

We have always been at war with Russia.

[video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y]

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Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:30pm

great comment. n/t

@CB

I believe that even the US Congress has been compromised. Nancy Pelosi has known about Stellar Wind since it's inception but has had to keep her mouth shut.

From a talk at MIT in 2012

THE GOVERNMENT IS PROFILING YOU: WILLIAM BINNEY (FORMER NSA)

“While spreading an atmosphere of fear after 9/11, our government has violated our laws, prevented the Congress and courts from doing their Constitutional duty, created a surveillance state and concentrated power in the executive, all in the name of keeping us safe. In an effort to reverse these ongoing unconstitutional activities, William Binney revealed the National Security Agency's massive domestic spying program, Stellar Wind, which intercepts domestic communications without protections for US citizens. Binney disclosed that NSA sought and received access to telecommunications companies' domestic and international billing records.”

“He told the public that, since 9/11, the agency has intercepted between 15 and 20 trillion communications. Binney also revealed that the NSA concealed Stellar Wind under the patriotic-sounding "Terrorist Surveillance Program," in order to give cover to the warrant-less surveillance program's violations of Americans' constitutional rights.”
...
Shava Nerad, former ED of TOR Project: My dad was an activist with SCLC and Dr. King, that's how I came into this. When it was possible to request his records from the FBI, from 1963, he got a large paper box. The FBI knew who he had lunch with every summer. This isn't new, it's just electronic. It's been going on for a century, at least. One of the things that being ED of Tor did, my family has leadership positions in government, military, and activist circles. I got to talk to a lot of poeple on the agency side of things. After Patriot act, the people who wanted to respect civil rights and civil liberties, they would be trampled for every promotion in their work and left behind. And there would be no people with those attitudes at the high levels of any of those agencies. It happens in every branch of DHS, in Bush administration. Understanding that even people who deeply believe in these rights are forced into compromising their integrity.

Binney: They're being threatened and intimidated.

SN: people in these agencies aren't all jerks. They literally can't complain. They're prevented from talking about that.

Binney: Stellar Wind knowledge was limited to 4 people, to begin with. Nancy Pelosi, two Senators. Chief and ranking members of House and Senate Intel committees. So, people have no way of validating these things, or monitoring them. They subverted our entire constitutional process.

SN: during the Bush administration, many people held on by their fingernails. Career diplomats gritting their teeth for 8 years, trying to swallow their bile.

Binney: it doesn't get any better with any party, it seems.
...
Bill: Pelosi said 'impeachment of Bush is off the table,' partly because she couldn't impeach him without impeaching herself.

Q: Clarification: we've been talking about the FISA amendment act. The problem there is that internal/external communications are being monitored. But it seems like a red herring, if all communications are being captured.

Bill: the problem is secrecy. We have no way of knowing what they're doing!

Q: Is there a boundary that prevents this warrant-less tapping from entering the courtroom?

Bill: The tap they have on me, they entered it in an affidavit, and said I told them about that conversation.

Q: Where do you see this in 5-10 years, given the fusion centers and whatnot?

Bill: I've said in a number of forums that it's going towards a totalitarian state. We'll have an imperial president, and a dictator. Everyone in Congress is violating the constitution by supporting this activity. We have to throw it in their face. Put them on the record in public.
...
Bill: As citizens of this country: what kind of country do you want? That's what's at stake here.

Q: I was wondering: how much of a threat are private surveillance systems, political surveillance, credit card surveillance, commercial systems.

Bill: credit cards, financial transactions, the standard used to be: if the transaction was more than 10k it went on the list. For 911, they transferred 60k for Atta's flight training. But they don't' analyze things properly, or pay attention. This is now coming back to financial transactions of US citizens. If you fall out of grace with the administration, that problem occurs.

Carol: In the EU system, you own information about yourself. Here, your ISP owns the info. Your banker owns your info. The only exception is video, which is an exception because it was done to a Supreme Court justice. In Europe, you own info about yourself, and the state needs permission. Here, you don't! The NSA just gets it. Now, county prosecutors can go without a warrant and get information about you. We need to change that 3rd party doctrine. I think it can make a big difference.
...

The intelligence agencies are using their unprecedented powers of surveillance to effectively control the American government. Russiagate is nothing but a massive, stinking red herring they are dragging back and forth in front of the gullible public with the collusion of the Mockingbird media. It's sole purpose is to obscure and change the narrative from the can of worms the Nunes memo has opened - the ease at which the FISA court can be subverted for witch hunting inside the US government itself.

The Deep State can pull private info on each and every member of Congress, the media and everyone here in C99. They have copies of every phone call, email, text and tweet you have made since 9/11. They know your banking, where you shop, what you eat, what toothpaste you use, what movies you go to, your hobbies, what kind of porn you are into. They know more about you than your closest confidant.

Knowledge is power. Absolute knowledge is absolute power.

The ~~NSA~~ Thought Police feeds information to the ~~Deep State~~ Inner Party that can make or break ANYONE. They even have the power to change the past with the modification or destruction of current digital documents.

Recent events have proved there are no effective controls in place to protect the people or it's government from the Deep State. The Democratic and Republican political parties have joined at the groin to become INGSOC.

We have always been at war with Russia.

[video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvGmOZ5T6_Y]

Submitted by randtntx on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 11:28am

So 80% chance

the little people catch hell, according to Binney odds.
Some Detroit blues to celebrate the 20% leftover stuff.

Submitted by Wink on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:45pm

Thanks, Joe!

yeah, I think most here know we are fucked.
Binney just reminds us it's even worse than we thought.
The man's a true patriot.
And, short of burning down the Beltway interior and starting over I don't know how we take on Deep State without a lot of blood loss - and Deep State knows it. Is why they're not too worried. One way we can chip away, though, is to call these rat bastid futhermuckers out every chance we get, especially in RL open forums, town halls, city council meetings. Thank the gods our City Council meetings are live streamed, then archived. If yours isn't, have your city council put it in the city budget to pay someone $25 /meeting to videograph the meetings and archive same. Taxpayers aren't going to whine about $1200, $1300 /year, and it pays for a few beers or decent dinner somewhere for the video guy /gal.
"Mr. Mayor, council, I'm not here tonight on city business so much as I am to point out the corruption at the highest levels of our federal government, which citizens can learn about by following the work of William Binney on social media or contacting me at (email address). Thank you very much."

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the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 12:48pm

I thought I already was a cynic

But you're right, Joe, I wasn't cynical enough for this.

Our country is spiraling towards a totalitarian surveillance state that's dragging our congress, our judiciary, and our media (who are either complicit or being held hostage by a weaponized spying system that has a global reach and consequences my imagination cannot even fathom) down a black hole of dystopian proportions.

What's left then?

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:26pm

heh...

@Anja Geitz

george carlin suggests becoming a detached observer.

Submitted by EdMass on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:06pm

Jimmy is us.

He is stunned into silence, Jimmy? Yup.

Hey Jimmy, you could throw us a bone as a site that appreciates your work?

—

Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

Submitted by Big Al on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 1:59pm

Imagine if we had internet blogs in the 70's

during the Church committee hearings. We shouldn't have our minds blown over this because it's nothing new, different, more insidious maybe (what about MK Ultra, or J. Edgar Hoover?), but nothing new. It seems that each generation goes through decades of having their minds blown then simply hand it off to the next generation. One of these generations are actually going to have to do something about it.

Submitted by joe shikspack on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:23pm

evening al...

@Big Al

heh, imagine if there had been internet blogs when the federalists stacked the judiciary with adams' midnight judges.

Submitted by Wink on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 2:09pm

And I think this,

too, may explain "what happened to Bernie??" after the 2016 Cali Primary.
Methinks Deep State likely whispered a little something in Bernie's ear. Something like, "if you drag this to Philly you AND your wife could very well end up looking a lot like Seth Rich. capiche?!"

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the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.

Submitted by MrWebster on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 3:31pm

The MacResistance is denying the deep state exists.

On one hand, the MacResistance praises the leaks, FBI, CIA etc for leaking/spying on Trump, and then on the other hand deny it exists except as some fantasy of progressives.

Submitted by snoopydawg on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 9:11pm

That's because some of the Deep State members are

@MrWebster

funding the McResistance. Sorts apparently has his hands in a lot of cookies. Hard to know what's real or funded.

Damn autocorrect... Soros, not Sorts . I usually catch my writing before I post, but kinda having a bad day.

—

Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

Submitted by MrWebster on Wed, 02/21/2018 - 7:49pm

Yah for sure.

@snoopydawg The day after or a few days after there were street protests over the election which were not exactly big nor trivial either. One daily paper got the names of the people arrested and found that like something like 50% of the protesters may not have voted (some out of state arrestee voting records could not be found--this was all through public access rules).

Strange protest of an election where maybe up to 50% did not vote.

Submitted by Anja Geitz on Thu, 02/22/2018 - 10:53am

That's ok snoopydawg