The limits of economic sanctions
The Democrats and news media screamed "collusion" when the Trump Administration declined to impose new Russian sanctions, but you probably didn't hear the actual reasons why Trump said "no".
The U.S. Treasury Department said in a report submitted to Congress this week that expanding sanctions on Russia to include new sovereign debt would have “negative spillover effects” on global financial markets and businesses.
Russia doesn't carry much debt, which is why the sanctions aren't having a big impact. But if they are locked out of the debt markets then the West will never have economic leverage on Russia.
A new law meant to punish Russia for election interference could force the Trump administration to sanction some of its closest allies -- including Saudi Arabia and India -- a possibility that has put capitals worldwide on edge.
The dilemma shows how Moscow's election malfeasance is deepening Washington's acrimony, complicating US foreign policy, and could ultimately force some allies to choose between the White House and the Kremlin, at a time when Russia is aggressively expanding its influence, particularly in the Middle East.
The Trump administration didn't levy a single sanction on January 29, the first day it could have under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act. That day, anyone doing business with certain Russian intelligence and military entities, including arms manufacturers, faced possible penalties.
The client list of these blacklisted Russian entities includes US counterterrorism partners such as Morocco, Algeria, the United Arab Emirates and Egypt. Qatar is a Russian customer, as well as crucial NATO ally Turkey.
The U.S. has been losing influence in the world since 2003. If we start punishing our allies we could end up having no influence at all, except as a military bully.
That doesn't work very well with "allies".
The US's top negotiator in Ukraine suggested Wednesday the four-year-old conflict in the country's eastern regions no longer makes headlines because many European countries would like to improve their relationship with Russia.
"Honestly, I think a lot of European governments don't want this to be a permanent obstacle to dealing with Russia," Ambassador Kurt Volker told DW in response to a question about why the conflict had been "forgotten."
"They're unhappy with Russia's actions, they're not happy with the invasion, they put in place sanctions but they don't want that to be permanent. And so they would like to see this to go away."
If we continue to push this, Europe will simply stop cooperating. The sanctions cost them a lot more than they cost us.
If they drop the sanctions then we end up looking weak.
Then there is the fact that after a while the sanctions do nothing but make you look petty. Consider our sanctions on North Korea.
North Korea is forbidden, by UN sanctions, from buying hockey sticks, because they’re “recreational sporting equipment.” In past events, North Korean participants have had to borrow all sticks, and return them before leaving.
But that’s just the tip of the iceberg. North Korea also has to find a third party to supply uniforms for them, because the uniform sponsor, Nike, is afraid that doing business with them will violate US sanctions.
But the real kicker is that the politicians in Washington that are screaming "collusion" don't actually want to reform anything.
Consider this headline: Russians penetrated US voter systems, DHS cybersecurity chief tells NBC
After reading that is your first response "Let's sanction Russia"?
Only if you are a politician, because for normal people the first reaction would be to fix our voting system.
But that would assume the threat to our voting system is real, and not some fictional one created for political advantage. Which is why we still lack a serious push to get rid of hackable voting machines and go back to pencil and paper.
That's why you end up with more Russians believing that Washington is meddling in their politics than Americans who say the same about Russian interference in U.S. politics.
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Dis-empowered anti-Putin oligarchs? Countries want trade.
One Pundit called The Saker claims that the sanctions list had anti-Putin, pro-Western oligarchs. Great idea to put FUD of sanctions and financial loss on Putin's opponents.
Yah, the sanctions list is so inclusive that it could put any non-Russian business as a future sanctions violator. The sanctions list is becoming not so much a punishment but a way to game advantages to American companies--the EU is being sold that they should be importing liquidized natural gas from US producers under threat of sanctions for Nordstream 2. Bulgaria must be re-thinking billions of transfer fees in denying to be part of building a Russian pipeline of natural gas.
Certainly the US will lose influence, but it could ignite a series of trade war battles as EU countries resent losing billions in trade with Russia.
Wasn't the vote hacking claim debunked last year?
Looks like the deep state actors are re-cycling old discredited charges. Article from Greenwald.
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-falls...
I remember bunches of states were calling bullshit on the DHS claims:
Texas denies state was target of election-related hacking by Russi
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/09/29/texas-denies-it-was-target-elect...
California, Wisconsin deny election systems targeted by Russian hackers
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election/california-wisconsin-den...
And there is this:
https://www.reuters.com/article/legal-us-usa-election-russia/wisconsin-o...
So why the re-hashed charges? I think to divert attention away from the Mueller story as the investigation is falling off the proverbial rails.
There’s two reasons that I see for
our Overlords continually lying about the election.
1 they need a ‘bad guy’ to hang ALL their failures on; and,
2 BRICS
The handwriting is on the wall and it’s written in indelible ink. Our Overlords want to change that to blood. They think we owe it to them to die or comple children, grandchildren, any and all of our fellow countrymen/women to die for their bank balance.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
@MrWebster The only hacking in the
-Greed is not a virtue.
-Socialism: the radical idea of sharing.
-Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
@polkageist
Dunno if you read/remember these or similar articles or not, but there were a bunch of damn good articles written about this, detail-packed and, in some cases, perhaps might be considered rather lengthy by some - but they certainly were written by actual reporters doing their jobs and even the sections quoted below are sufficient to make the essential points, (although all well worth reading at source, if this can be managed) and this, I think, shows the whole preposterous, if maliciously destructive, scam as the ludicrous and very unfunny comedy it is. And that's an essential service, the sort the news media is supposed to provide the public.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3173032/cybercrime-hacking/indiana...
Only the States which did not allow Homeland Security access complained about this attempted intrusion because the others were expecting them.
So when it was claimed that Russia tried to access the election systems of 21 States, my first thought was that they were accusing others of what they were trying to do themselves - 'correct the election'. Now, of course, I wonder about attempts at planted 'Russian fingerprints'.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-claims-homeland-securi...
(Lots of info at source for anyone wishing to refresh their memories. Emphasis mine)
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-14/georgia-confirms-homeland-secu...
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/exclusive-obamas-feds-tried-to-hack-in...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/us/politics/us-tells-21-states-that-h...
Were they giving the short-memoried public a year to forget about the Homeland Security hacking attempts and merely remember vaguely some mention of something like that?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2017-09-27/h...
If anyone can get into this (I've copied below whatever from the search page,) there may be something of interest within.
So, they floated their story, presumably to get people wondering if any of it really might be a foreign state rather than the millions of hackers of all varieties:
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/states-major-election-hacking-228978
(But wait, wasn't Homeland Security in there already, by permission in all but a few States? On the other hand, apparently they hadn't been successful in actually getting in on their own hacking attempts, perhaps not being a conversant with such things as your average bored 11-year-old 'Russian spy'.)
And the already-exploded story is continued anyway, presumably using those states willing to be conned or otherwise go with it.
(Re-adding pre-existing bolding which did not carry over.)
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/russia-department-homeland-security/
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
There are copious forensic documents
...that prove there was no hack at all. That suggest the hoax was mounted by CrowdStrike, itself, on behalf of the US intelligence agencies.
These have been distributed to every embassy in most countries in the world as well as to every ambassador at the UN.
Who is this Kurt Volker, really.
Wiki and DW both call him the US "special representative" to Ukraine, but DW also calls him ambassador, and the US's top negotiator in Ukraine. Is he all three? What is it he's negotiating? And what "invasion" is he talking about? A clue would be that he once was on the staff of John McCain, a virulent anti-Russia freak who actively supported the Maidan revolution with his live appearance to bless their US-"midwifed" coup, and succeeded Victoria Nuland, who proposed that plan.
"If I sit silently, I have sinned." - Mossadegh
John McCain, the worst of the Keating 5
That scandal sure didn’t hurt him a bit. But iit told us everything we ever needed to know about his ‘character’ (or lack of rather).
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
The hack happened while Obama was president
The alleged attack that is. But still, why isn't anyone asking why Obama didn't keep our elections safe? Hmm? Because they are surely blaming Trump and the republicans for not fixing them. I'm sure you can guess who is pushing this meme the hardest.
Here's Obama himself saying that the elections cannot be rigged. Period. This was after he said that if Trump whines and tries to blame someone else for their loss, then this office is not the place for them.
Ha Ha! Now that is funny.
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
The latest round of sanctions has been designed to set the current conflict with Russia in stone.
It contains within itself a mechanism whereby the US State Department can come up with pretexts to escalate and continue sanctions in perpetuity despite any actions taken by the Russian government other than complete submission to the requirements of the US government.
It's the neocon controlled US government's final response to Putin's very effective statesmanship on the world stage. Think of the dozens of times Putin outfoxed the US government since he became president of Russia. (Take note on how Putin will respond to the latest US bombing in Syria. It will be measured, deliberate and designed to do the least harm to his country when it eventually arrives.)
The only other leader in the world that has successfully resisted American diktat as much was Fidel Castro. But Russia is not a tiny defenseless island state. It is the largest country by landmass and contains within it's borders every element in the periodic table in sizable quantities. It is capable of standing toe-to-toe with the US militarily and has advanced scientific capabilities. It's citizenry supports their government at percentage levels far, far above that of any of the western nations that are trying to dismantle Russia. In addition, Russia has many friends in both hemispheres of the world least of which is China (soon to be the world's largest economy).
Sanctions against Russia will never be fully successful. The last sets were effectively used by Putin to actually strengthen and advance the Russian economy AND it's military. Any escalation beyond the current state of affairs will start hurting the US and it's European satraps way more than Russia.
The fuckwits within the US government just keep doubling down and doing the same thing over and over when things don't work as they expected. Think Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.