WSJ confirms Carter Page was cooperating with FBI before he entered campaign

Overlooked in the furor of publication of the Nunes Memo, The Wall Street Journal published an article Friday that confirms major points made about Page in earlier research first posted by this author. See, https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-aide-carter-page-was-on-u-s-co...

In a JPR series beginning last May, readers first learned that Carter Page -- now a key figure in the Nunes Memo — before joining the Trump campaign, was a key informant for the FBI in an investigation and prosecution of Russian intelligence operations in NY. See, https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/is-carter-page-an-fbi-informan...

As I reported, Court documents and USDOJ press releases stated that in January 2013 Page first made the acquaintance of Victor Polobnyy, a suspected Russian intelligence operative at an energy conference in NY. In May, Page then met with FBI Agents. Documents show that subsequently an FBI informant posing as an American energy analyst passed bugged binders to the SVR though which the Bureau conducted electronic surveillance of suspected intelligence operatives at the Russian Mission to the UN. In 2015, Polobny was convicted of espionage based in part on Page’s testimony and expelled. Russian offices and a residence were shut down, leading to increasing U.S.-Russian tensions.

Last April, Page sent a letter to the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee complaining that his cover as “MALE-1” in that court testimony had revealed his identity as a cooperating witness bringing him unwanted public attention.

Finally, the WSJ has confirmed key details of what was reported here last Spring. The Journal’s story is titled, “Former Trump Aide Carter Page Was on U.S. Counterintelligence Radar Before Russia Dossier: Court documents, testimony show foreign-policy adviser was known to authorities as early as 2013″, https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-trump-aide-carter-page-was-on-u-s-co...

In a statement last year, Mr. Page confirmed he was the unnamed consultant and said he helped U.S. federal investigators during the case. The complaint charging Mr. Podobnyy said Mr. Page had provided the Russians with documents, which Mr. Page said were “nothing more than a few samples from the more detailed lectures” he was preparing for a course he was teaching at New York University at the time. [ . . . ] Six months after prosecutors charged Mr. Podobnyy, Mr. Trump launched his presidential campaign. In January 2016, Mr. Page told the House committee, he had an “initial meeting” with the campaign and began serving as an informal adviser.

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A former Trump national security adviser said the campaign wasn’t aware at the time of Mr. Page’s past dealings with U.S. counterintelligence officials. Over the course of the campaign, Mr. Page traveled to Russia at least twice and kept top Trump campaign advisers abreast of his travels, Mr. Page told the House panel.

The Journal asked an obvious question, gathered together some some essential dots, but neglected to connect them:

Yet a question persists: What prompted the FBI to suspect that Mr. Page was acting as an agent of Russia? The full extent of the evidence regarding Mr. Page that the Justice Department submitted to the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court—a secret judicial panel that approves surveillance warrants against suspected agents of foreign powers—isn’t clear. The Wall Street Journal has previously reported that the warrant included material beyond research compiled by Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence official. What is known from court documents and testimony by Mr. Page before Congress is that the former Trump aide has been known to U.S. counterintelligence officials dating back to at least 2013, nearly three years before he joined the Trump campaign.

Readers know the obvious answer to that question. As I wrote last Spring:

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As far as I can walk the cat back, the beginnings of “Russiagate” may have been FBI surveillance of Carter Page during a 2013 meeting with Victor Podobnyy, a Russian “Junior Attache” to the UN in NY. U.S. intelligence had Podobnyy under human and electronic surveillance as a suspected Russian SVR intelligence operative, and the FBI had recorded a conversation in March of between Podoobnyy and a second Russian agent discussing his attempt to recruit Page as an asset.

According to court documents, in January 2013, Carter Page first met Podobnyy at an international energy conference, and later that year Page provided information about the U.S. energy industry to Podobbny. But, this is where it only starts to get really interesting.

In a letter published today by CNN, Page informed a US Senate committee that shortly after he met with Podobnny in 2013 he was interviewed by federal agents in June, 2013 and that he became a cooperating witness in the federal investigation and resulting 2015 prosecution. See below, and .pdf linked at http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/08/politics/carter-page-russian-official/

Indeed, a court document in the 2015 trial of an SVR officer confirms that Page was indeed interviewed by two FBI Agents about dealings with Podobnyy. Carter Page is referred to in the Affidavit as Male-1:

34. On or about June 13, 2013, [FBI] Agent-2 and I interviewed
Male-1. Male-1 stated that he first met VICTOR PODOBNYY, the
defendant, in January 2013 at an energy symposium in New York City.
During this initial meeting, PODOBNYY gave Male-1 PODOBNYY’s
business card and two email addresses. Over the following months,
Male-1 and PODOBNYY exchanged emails about the energy business and
met in person on occasion, with Male-1 providing PODOBNYY with
Male-l’s outlook on the current and future of the energy industry.
Male-1 also provided documents to PODOBNYY about the energy business.

Having cooperated with the FBI in a counter-intelligence operation and later as a witness in the 2015 trial of a Russian intelligence officer, it seems implausible that Page could have been a willing secret agent of the Russians at any point thereafter. More likely, he was playing out a role assigned to him, perhaps under duress, by the FBI. Page was apparently sufficiently trusted by the FBI that he was allowed to travel to Russia several times before and after the Bureau busted the Podobnny cell in September 2014. [See FBI Affidavit for the Prosecution, http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/2015_0126_spyring2.pdf.%5D It should be pointed out that Page was never charged as an accomplice.

In addition, bear in mind that Page was never a paid Trump staffer and claims he never met Flynn and never had a single meeting with Trump. In fact, Page appears to have insinuated himself into the Trump campaign suddenly in early 2016 when it was short-handed without persons with direct foreign experience. He seemingly emerged out of nowhere. A biography in Newsweek portrayed him as something of a mystery whose role in the campaign is unclear, as is how he managed to gain nearly instant access as a junior foreign policy advisor to Trump: http://www.newsweek.com/carter-page-fbi-surveillance-us-presidential-ele...

Reporters who went foraging for information on him during the race for the White House found little. Within Trump’s team, no one seemed to know who hired him, or what he did for the campaign. Among U.S. businessmen who had worked in Russia, and the Russians they had worked with, few knew Page’s name. In a scathing Politico article about Page, an unnamed Western investor in Russian energy told the author: “I can poll any number of people involved in energy in Russia about Carter Page and they’ll say, ‘Carter who? You mean Jimmy Carter?’”

What’s notable here that seems to have evaded previous notice is that instead of being a Russian agent of influence, Page at the time he spang briefly into a prominent role within the Trump campaign in early 2016, was already an FBI informant, something the Russians would obviously know. This becomes even more crucial later that summer after Page returned from a business trip to Moscow when he was repeatedly named in the James Steele “dirty dossier” as a close confident of Russian energy officials and bankers. Page actually appears to have all the hallmarks of an FBI informant, or an agent provocateur, who was planted into the Trump campaign as part of an intelligence operation. Only, it seems apparent, the intelligence service he was actually serving was American rather than Russian.

That is significant for another very important reason – according to the Washington Post, the FBI obtained a FISA warrant last summer to spy on the Trump campaign under the pretext that Page was alleged to be a Russian agent. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-obtained-fisa...

The Russian UN employee was charged with two others in 2015. There is an interesting section in the Justice Department press release that accompanied the March 11, 2016 conviction of one of the three Russians. Seemingly overlooked by everyone are what appear to be at least some intriguing suggestions that Page is not the unwitting Russian pawn he has been made out to be by most of the media, and was instead quite aware of his role in FBI operations: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/evgeny-buryakov-pleads-guilty-manha...

BURYAKOV worked in New York with at least two other SVR agents, Igor Sporyshev and Victor Podobnyy. From November 22, 2010, to November 21, 2014, Sporyshev officially served as a trade representative of the Russian Federation in New York. From December 13, 2012, to September 12, 2013, Podobnyy officially served as an attaché to the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations. The investigation, however, showed that Sporyshev and Podobnyy also worked as officers of the SVR. For their roles in the charged conspiracy, Sporyshev and Podobnyy were charged along with BURYAKOV in January 2015. However, Sporyshev and Podbonyy no longer lived in the United States and thus were not arrested.

BURYAKOV’s Co-Conspirators Are Recorded Inside the SVR’s New York “Residentura”

During the course of the investigation, the FBI recorded Sporyshev and Podobnyy speaking inside the SVR’s offices in New York, known as the “Residentura.”

The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”), who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, UCE-1 provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by UCE-1 and supporting documentation relating to UCE-1’s reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices. Sporyshev then took the binders to, among other places, the Residentura.

During subsequent recorded conversations, Sporyshev and Podobnyy discussed, among other things, Sporyshev’s SVR employment contract and his official cover position, their work as SVR officers, and the FBI’s July 2010 arrests of 10 SVR agents in the United States, known as the “Illegals.” [emphases added]

While there seem to be some remarkable coincidences, it is not known if Page is actually UCE-1 or, it seems more likely, the FBI used Page to introduce one of its own employees pretending to be a coworker in Page’s NYC-based energy trading company, who subsequently passed bugged binders to the Russians. Page was previously reported in court papers to have been identified as “MALE-1.” It’s all the more curious that Page should have two years later attached himself to the Trump campaign, and is now the central figure in “Russiagate.” Stranger still, that none of this has previously been remarked upon in any major media.

Here’s how ABC portrayed these events when it broke part of story about Page in April: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-campaign-advisor-carter-page-target...

Undercover FBI agents lured Buryakov and his SVR associates, Igor Sporyshev and Podobnyy, into a trap by masquerading as well-placed business sources ripe for recruitment while using physical and electronic surveillance to gather enough information to build their case.

No reference by Newsweek or ABC to an FBI undercover employee posing as an energy analyst or the bugged binders, which suggests that Page (or an agent pretending to work with him) had more than a passive role in the electronic surveillance placed by the Bureau.

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Even today, all these months later, there still has been no reference in the major media I’ve seen to Page’s apparent role as an FBI operative who helped introduce the bugged binders. That would have required a FISA warrant, years before the one the DOJ finally managed to obtain in October, 2016. FISA warrants expire, but can be renewed if new developments emerge. But, the WSJ only hints at that very significant fact:

That fall, the Justice Department requested a secret court order to monitor Mr. Page’s ties to Russia, using as part of its request information from Mr. Steele, according to people familiar with the matter. It isn’t clear whether the department had previously requested a FISA warrant on Mr. Page, who left the Trump campaign in September amid reports about his ties to Russia.

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Mr. Page’s name surfaced repeatedly in the fall of 2016 in classified briefings given to high-level members of Congress, according to people familiar with the matter. That was around the same time the FBI and the Justice Department were applying for a surveillance warrant against Mr. Page in the FISA court.

A month after Mr. Trump won the presidential election, Mr. Page traveled to Russia again. There, he met again with Messrs. Dvorkovich and Baranov, among others, Mr. Page told the House panel. The following spring [2017], Rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general appointed by Mr. Trump, approved a renewal of surveillance of Mr. Page.

Here’s what the major media, can’t or as yet won’t say. Another hint: It’s in the title of the May 9, 2017 JPR report . . . “Was Carter Page an FBI Informant who wormed his way into Trump’s Campaign?” https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/is-carter-page-an-fbi-informan...

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links back to the Uranium deal?
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-...

Somewhere I saw one of the leaked emails which suggested a bait and switch con. May be one of you has a link? Clinton felt the Russia deal was her weak spot..so flip the issue on to T-rump. (aided and abetted by Obummber as he exits stage right).

I must admit I haven't got into the weeds as you have, but that is my best take...bait and switch.

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of Russiagate, the evidence generally ends up supporting the opposite conclusion to the one they like.
This is as bad as the stupidity surrounding Guccifer 2.0.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

thst this bunch really is the gang that couldn’t shoot straight”.

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First time as tragedy, second time as farce:
https://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/how-fbi-creating-terrorists

In the case of the "Newburgh Four," for example, a judge said the government "came up with the crime, provided the means, and removed all relevant obstacles," and had, in the process, made a terrorist out of a man "whose buffoonery is positively Shakespearean in scope."'
— from the Summary, "Illusion of Justice: Human Rights Abuses in US Terrorism Prosecutions"

Us and Safe being the fungible words in the headline. As soon as you realize that when they talk us they mean them, and when they say safe it means health of business, it actually does make sense.

The FBI is protecting oligarchs and the current corporate structure to ensure that they maintain monopoly marketshare over public policy to drive profits.

That's it, man. They ARE doing their job, it's just for the marketed purpose.

But man, how this completely fits the FBI's Propaganda, Patriotism, and Patsies anti-terrorism program to a T.

And in an ironic twist, it turns it's sights on the widely acknowledged greatest terrorist in the world, the US President.

My head is spinning from all this shit.

The FBI sent an agent into the field, then into the Drumpf campaign, and then used the "nefarious" actions of that agent to secure the surveillance of a Presidential candidate via the Star Chamber, I mean, FISA court. AND!!! All parties knew this and still went along.

That's pretty startling, even for someone like me who has feared this kind of nefarious state actions from this unconstitutional domestic spying program for years.

Kind of reminds me of the economic Coup of 2008. They brought the greatest economic power on the planet to it's knees in an afternoon and extorted trillions from the populace. A massive subjugation of the State to Big Corporate & the Oligarchs.

Here we have the Deep State Coup of 2017. Bringing the highest office in the land to it's knees using omniscient intelligence and set the stage for a Constitution-Free government for all the people.

Shit is pretty wild right now. LOTS of tension. And there is So. Much. Bullshit.

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@k9disc @k9disc

The FBI sent an agent into the field, then into the Drumpf campaign, and then used the "nefarious" actions of that agent to secure the surveillance of a Presidential candidate via the Star Chamber, I mean, FISA court. AND!!! All parties knew this and still went along.

The fact that Page had already been part of the FBI investigation into someone in Russia in 2013 still doesn't prove to me that Russia interfered with the election. It shows that the FBI was playing games in Russia.

People are bending over backwards to say that the Steele dossier had nothing to do with the wiretap that the Obama justice department got to spy on the Trump campaign. Apparently McCabe testified to congress that it was the Steele dossier that allowed them to get the FISA warrant.

Or if the government was aware that Russia might want to f*ck up the election then why didn't they take steps to stop it? Hmmm? IF Russia did interfere with the election so that Trump would win, wouldn't that be a reflection of the previous administration's failure to keep it safe?

In other words, where's the BEEF?

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So Carter Page was an unpaid volunteer advisor to the Trump campaign who never met with either Trump or Gen. Flynn.

In addition, bear in mind that Page was never a paid Trump staffer and claims he never met Flynn and never had a single meeting with Trump.

The campaign also distanced itself from Page shortly thereafter.

Soon after Trump named Page as an adviser, his team began to have second thoughts. In June, Page had shocked a closed door meeting of foreign policy experts when he praised Russian President Vladimir Putin as a better leader than President Barack Obama.

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In August, Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told The Washington Post that Page “does not speak for Mr. Trump or the campaign.” In September, the campaign’s communications director, Jason Miller, went a step further. Page, he told The Hill, has “never been a part of our campaign. Period.”

By what stretch of the imagination was Trump being surveilled? And yes, Trump was being surveilled by the British GCHQ back in 2015 before Carter Page ever came onto the scene. From the British Guardian:

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

Okay, so all this spying on Trump has been going on since 2015 and we have yet to see one shred of evidence to merit the Mueller probe.

Thank you for this well sourced essay. While we may never know what the reason is behind the spying on Trump, but we have yet to see evidence of anything nefarious going on. In the meantime, we have plenty evidence of Hillary Clinton's crimes and those involving the Clinton Foundation and still are waiting for a real probe into their criminal cartel including the Uranium 1 scandal.

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Okay, so all this spying on Trump has been going on since 2015 and we have yet to see one shred of evidence to merit the Mueller probe.

This was the point I tried to make. I'll admit that Trump was spied on, but I still haven't heard the reason why he was. Page working with the FBI in 2013 has what to do with Russia interfering with the election in 2015 or Trump colluding with Russia? If Russia did interfere with it then exactly what did they do that made Trump president? The few FB ads were mostly placed after the election, so they're out. The tweets are just as vague as the ads so they're out. Hillary's emails being released by Wikileaks? Hell, most of us knew that she and the DNC robbed Bernie already.

Russia didn't hack voting machines or any of the other things the Russian phobes believe even though some media reports like to state. They said that Russia attempted to hack the voting machines, not that they did.

Then there's Obama and Clapper saying that they saw no evidence of that and Obama went so far as to tell us that our election processes are safe.

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I'll admit that Trump was spied on, but I still haven't heard the reason why he was.

It's just guesswork on my part, but I would not be surprised if Trump was in cahoots with Russian Crime Syndicates, which are probably as linked in with Russian industrial construction as crime Syndicates are in America:

In the same year, Semion Mogilevich was placed on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list for his involvement in a complex multimillion-dollar scheme that defrauded investors in the stock of his company YBM Magnex International, swindling them out of $150 million.[29] He was indicted in 2003 and arrested in 2008 in Russia on tax fraud charges, but because the US does not have an extradition treaty with Russia, he was released on bail.[30] Monya Elson said, in 1998, that Mogilevich is the most powerful mobster in the world.[31]

Around the world, Russian mafia groups have popped up as dominating particular areas: Alec Simchuk and his group ripped off and robbed unsuspecting tourists and businessmen in South Florida, leading Rick Brodsky of the FBI to say that "Eurasian organised crime is our no. 1 priority";[32] Russian organized crime has a rather large stronghold in the city of Atlanta where members are distinguished by their tattoos. Russian organized crime was reported to have a stronger grip in the French Riviera region and Spain in 2010;[7] and Russia was branded as a virtual "mafia state" according to the WikiLeaks cables.[33]

In 2009, Russian mafia groups had been said to reach over 50 countries and, in 2010, had up to 300,000 members.[34] According to recordings released in 2015, Alexander Litvinenko, shortly before he was assassinated, claimed that Semion Mogilevich has had a "good relationship" with Vladimir Putin since the 1990s.[35]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_mafia

To paraphrase: The first thing we do is lock up all the billionaires!

In my opinion all billionaires are criminals and they all belong in prison.

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"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn

leveymg, thank you for this work and for making it clear to us.

For what it's worth, a few months ago I got interested in the JFK assassination, more than I ever had before, partly because of the pending release of new documents. But in the process, I came across some research on another American in Russia, simultaneously with Lee Harvey Oswald, who looked somewhat like him and whose physical description details, height and weight, were different from Oswald's, but were used in Oswald's files, along with some misrepresentations of Oswald's name. The other American was a scientist or engineer in plastics or fiberglass used in missiles, so his activities in Russia had to do with industrial espionage.

Because I had read some of Antony Sutton's research for the Hoover Institution documenting U.S. corporations working in Russia from the Bolshevik period onward, I see the intelligence assets used in Russia as a way of getting industrial technology into Russia, rather than as a way of spying on how the Russians manage to gather industrial technology. So I would see the fiberglass guy giving secrets to the Russians, not spying on the Russians.

All of this is to say, thank you for your concise and targeted writing here because it brings up the subject of U.S. corporate and intelligence BUSINESS AS USUAL, secretly doing business at the American taxpayer's expense to jerk us around while they gorge themselves on gas, natural gas, minerals, uranium, mining, pipelines, blah blah blah, all the while describing it as war, an adversarial necessity so that WE will pay for all their expenses.

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The Intercept has an recent article that seems to justify the FBI in getting FISA search warrants. I read one article aobut Paged Carter which left a lot of holes, and this posting filled them in. Like how did the FBI manage to get Russian agents to accept a bugged binder? Oh, yah who gave them the binder of economic information ...

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Consider this: Page was central to the Steele Dossier – page 17/35 describes Page as the prime mover agitating within the Trump campaign for the others (to take the bait and) act to release Hillary’s email. It was a coordinated set-up run by Fusion GPS and a group within the FBI/DOJ with a bit of help from CIA/MI-6. Pure entrapment using agent provocateur(s)recorded using FISA warrants obtained by misrepresentation and omission of relevant fact. The final step was to be Obstruction charges against those recorded when they contradicted "the record" in subsequent interviews with FBI. When this was concocted before the election, it was thought to be pretty appealing and would line up neatly, closely controlled from above. Too bad it's now ending up ultimately unraveling with guts spewn all over the courtroom floor.

Now we know, it wasn’t accurately described to the FISA Judge in the warrant application. Definitely, felony statutes actually broken there by the FBI agents who drafted and signed off on the supporting affidavit as well as the DOJ lawyers who drafted, signed and presented the warrant application.

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here's a key part of what I hear you saying:

Page was central to the Steele Dossier – page 17/35 describes Page as the prime mover agitating within the Trump campaign for the others (to take the bait and) act to release Hillary’s email.

So the premise is that the dossier says Carter Page knew the Trump people had Hillary's emails and that he would have known it because he was a Russian agent.

OK. But even so, Carter Page was already, since 2013, part of a legitimate or an illegitimate FBI process of foiling Russian acquisition of (by sharing or stealing) energy industry secrets. What secrets? Here is Halliburton's website from the period we're talking about. I saved this because they praised the Russian workforce, which I thought was a good sign. The page is still working today, I believe:

http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/locations/eurasia/halliburton-eurasia.p...

Halliburton Eurasia comprises Russia, Ukraine, Caspian West and Caspian East. This large area presents challenges that are quite diverse, including shallow water, environmentally sensitive North Caspian with deep, high pressure, H2S/CO2 oil wells; mature oil fields in Kazakhstan and Siberia; high flowrate gas fields in Northern Siberia, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan; and extreme weather conditions in the large part of the Eurasia region. While this region represents a tremendous variety of technical, logistical, and supply chain challenges, Halliburton's organization in this region, coupled with a strong national workforce, is well established to provide creative and innovative solutions. The potential of the resources and the diversity of the plays demand a great variety of new technologies. Halliburton Eurasia offers a well services portfolio designed to create sustainable value by delivering outstanding products, services and utilizing our Integrated Workflows.

So what is going on here? U.S. businessmen are working in Russia and at the same time U.S. agents are building a life-or-death-spy-vs-spy espionage game in which Putin would stay up all night copying pictures of puppies and dragons to scare the American people into voting for Trump, or to sow discord, or to, what? Why? He's got Exxon and Halliburton pumping away, he's got Bill Clinton speechifying for dollars. What's the problem? The problem is if Halliburton and Exxon and Europe and Asia begin to think peaceful co-existence is workable, there's no more out of control defense spending.

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@Linda Wood

So what is going on here? U.S. businessmen are working in Russia and at the same time U.S. agents are building a life-or-death-spy-vs-spy espionage game in which Putin would stay up all night copying pictures of puppies and dragons to scare the American people into voting for Trump, or to sow discord, or to, what?

Businesses don't recognize borders. They work wherever there are resources that they want and all countries do what's best for their economies. Tillerson the current Secretary of State used to be head of Exxon and he has a lot of contacts in Russia as do many of Trump's current agency heads. No one is accusing them of collusion for now. As you stated, Bill and Hillary took money from Russia after the uranium deal was completed, (Or that she took money from just about every foreign government she had contact with during her tenure as SOS.) shh, we aren't supposed to talk about this.

People are glamming on that since Page already had been under investigation before the election that means that the FISA warrant wasn't taken out just because of the Steele dossier since Page had already had a FISA warrant on him that his connection to the Trump campaign shows that he was helping them collude with Russia and that he knew that Russia had hacked Hillary's emails and wanted them to release them.

The article headline is trying to say that Page was working with the FBI to get evidence that Trump was working with Putin to win the election. This too is false. The fact is that the Steele dossier was funded first by the republicans during the primaries. Then after Trump won it the DNC, Hillary's lawyers and the FBI paid Fusion to continue getting information on him and that's what they used to get the warrant. The Nunes' memo proves that and now we are being told more disinformation to distract from that.

The bottom line is that Russia didn't interfere with the election, Trump didn't collude with Putin and the FBI illegally spied on Trump for Hillary. And Hillary lost because she was a crappy candidate.

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@Linda Wood

If you're interested in another take on it.

Democrats made up evidence

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Echelon - The Echelon or FiveEyes Agreement goes back decades. It's essentially an arrangement whereby the parties eavesdrop across each others borders to avoid the complication of privacy laws. In practice, the UK spies inside the US and the US over there or in New Zealand or Australia . . .

It goes along with the three traditional wiretapping strategies inside the U.S.

Warrantless wiretapping is a felony. There are three legalways to get around it

One is to seek a regular criminal warrant from a federal Judge, called a Title III warrant, the US Attorney has to “show probable cause” that a federal crime has been committed or is about to be committed by a person or persons under jurisdiction of the Court. Issuance of a criminal warrant requires a high standard of proof.

The second way is to seek a FISA warrant from the FISA Court to target wiretaps at either a foreign power operating in the US or at an agent of a foreign power, who can be a foreign or US person, either here or outside the US. The standard of proof is less than that required for a normal criminal warrant, so evidence gathered pursuant to a FISA warrant normally cannot be used directly against a defendant in a federal criminal court proceeding. FISA warrants aren’t required to intercept communications of foreign powers where US persons aren’t likely to be involved.

The third way to get around the prohibition against wiretapping US persons is to wiretap someone else for whom there is cause to believe is acting as an agent of foreign power, such as an Ambassador, and to “unmask” the identity of the US person with whom there is communication. However, that information remains classified unless and until the Agency authorizes its declassification and public release, and still can’t normally be used directly against the US person in a court of law.

However, if an FBI agent asks the US person about the content of that intercepted communication and the US person misrepresents the facts, that can still be used to charge and convict for Obstruction of Justice (lying to a federal investigator is, itself, a crime). That was what happened with Mike Flynn, and no doubt was the strategy behind the FISA warrants obtained for Page and Papadopolous in the hope that others in the Trump campaign would subsequently lie to the FBI about what was said to or in their presence while they were “wearing a wire.” See, Trump Tower wasn’t wiretapped, but two FBI operatives were. And, thank you for reminding us, the Brits was already at it, sharing the take with CIA.

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snoopydawg's picture

describes Page as the prime mover agitating within the Trump campaign for the others (to take the bait and) act to release Hillary’s email.

Trump didn't have the emails and there is no proof that Russia did either. This started after Trump asked Russia can find the emails and turn them over to the FBI. After he said that every news outlet changed his words to Trump just asked Russia to hack Hillary's emails. This has been the pattern since this has started. Read this headline; (video has his exact words.

Trump urges Russia to hack Clinton's email

Here are his actual words.

“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

This was after Hillary said that she had deleted over 30,000 that congress had told her to turn in. Bottom line. If she hadn't used her private email server then she wouldn't have been under investigation, right?

As to the charges against Flynn lying to the FBI he did contradict himself when he was interviewed, but who can remember verbatim what they said previously, especially if lots of time has passed?

Thanks for your work here.

edited for clarity

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harrybothered's picture

Good grief, this whole drama just gets more and more layers to it. Thank you so much for this excellent synopsis.

May I cross-post this diary to r/WayoftheBern? Many people there would be very interested.

Thanks again.

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