Open Thread - 12-06-24 - The Fifth Horseman of the Apocalypse

The Fifth Horseman

Certainly we all have heard of the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse prediction from The Book of Revelations contained in the Bible. First, The White Horseman, thought to be Jesus himself or possibly the anti-Christ, depending on interpretations. Second, the Red Horseman, thought to represent war. Third, the Black Horseman, thought to represent famine. And fourth, the pale Horseman, thought to represent death.

Notice the similarities that runs through the Book of Revelations' narrative of fear? It's the same leitmotif that runs through the course of The Bible, and most religions, if not all of them. Like the other four Horses, the Fifth Horse of the Apocalypse isn't a physical entity, in my humble opinion, it's a psychological construct.

Just as the underlying teachings of the Bible use the elemental emotion of fear as it's prime mover (pun intended), the same motivation is driving the current societal control mechanisms. For the same reasons.

Corruption is out of control in this country, and hand in hand with that corruption is our government, which is also out of control. It's no longer hidden, in fact, it's flaunted in our faces. The executive branch of our government has wrested too much power. The president, by diktat in the form of executive privilege and executive orders, simply waves his signing hand and so it is done. Is there a better example than the recent presidential pardoning of his son and the rumored preemptive pardoning of his partners in crime? Biden might as well pardon the whole government as corrupt as it currently is.

How do the government and the politicians get away with it? In times past the public would be in the streets with torches and pitchforks, seeking retribution for their grievances. The least that could be expected was a good tar and feathering followed by a good running out on a rail. Today, it's shrugged off as business as usual. The body politic has become accustomed to the corruption and unwilling to make any waves. But, why?

Fear.

The results of years of fear are evident. Lock downs, genocide, wars, lawfare, WWIII, cancellations, de-platforming, crime, IRS audit, threats of martial law, talk of civil war, talk of nuclear war, surveillance, troops in the street, climate change, policrisis, pandemics, poison food, murders on the street openly shown on the internet, and I'm sure I'm missing many more. Step out of line and you'll pay the price. It's been non stop for years and it's taking it's toll. We, the body politic have been socially engineered to acquiesce, to not make waves, out of fear of retribution and lives destroyed.

Fear is the Trojan Horse used to enter one's mind as an insidious manipulation of one's core emotion. Make an individual fearful enough and they will bend to the will of the manipulator. It works the same for a society as well. There's plenty of examples from the past to support this supposition. Today, we've been witnessing the largest and most potent psychological operation in all of history, on steroids, and in real time.

If fear is the Trojan Horse and the Fifth Horse of the Apocalypse, then who may be the rider? And to what end?

The Orange Horse
The Fifth Horse of the Apocalypse
TrojanHorse1.jpg
Attribution: Wikimedia Commons
(Orange tint added by JtC)

The Rider

We are living on the brink of the apocalypse, but the world is asleep.

--Joel C. Rosenberg

The US is deeply in debt, the whole world knows this. The interest alone has reached one trillion dollars. It can't go on forever. There must be a financial reset in the future and the bankers want that reset to come down in their favor. What's their answer to their conundrum?

CBDCs. The banker's dream. Their problem is how do they implement that dream without alienating too much of the public.

Imagine if you will: Donald Trump riding in on an orange Trojan Horse with a saddle bag full of ideas he wants to try on the American public. One of his ideas, a proposal of extensive tariffs, may backfire and cause financial pain for the poor and middle class, or possibly cause an economic collapse. The potential resulting chaos would be just what the bankers need to leverage the American people into a digital currency. Add programmability to the digital currency equation and it will be hell on earth for the common American citizen.

There are also serious questions about Trump's Strategic Bitcoin Reserve. Is it wise to dump tax payers dollars into what could potentionally become a slush fund? What if several of the large whales, who own a substantial amount of bitcoin, cash out and leave the tax payers holding the bag? As it stands now if the whales wanted to cash out they would most likely do irreparable harm to the bitcoin market, possibly causing a collapse. A Strategic Bitcoin Reserve could give them (the bitcoin whales) cover and an opportunity to sell and realize billions of dollars in profits. Billions of dollars to buy real assets like land and precious metals, at the expense of tax payers. That, my friends, would be a wealth transfer for the ages.

It's surreal the way Trump has reentered the political arena like a prodigal professional wrestler that's returned to defeat his opponents in a Thunderdome cage match. It's even more surreal to watch him so carefully constructed into a mythical being by the political right. It all seems so scripted. And if it is scripted, would he not be the perfect politician to lead the political right into a digital currency? The group that would probably be the most reluctant to do so?

I don't know, it all seems so crazy. But doesn't just about everything seem crazy nowadays?

Caveat emptor.

Crispian St. Peters: The Pied Piper (2:32)
Share
up
13 users have voted.

Comments

hope you enjoyed this walk through my mind.

Though I'm essentially a non believer, I ask you to accept the premise of this figment of my sometimes fertile imagination.

Besides, it's right there biting us all on the ass.

up
10 users have voted.
Lookout's picture

Scaring the bejesus out of people has been a means of control probably as long as humans have existed. To my mind much of the problem is the people are fed lies and propaganda, and so never catch on to the idea they are being played. So many examples come to mind...Russiagate, COVID, almost every war, and so on.
Here's Joe calling out one of the many deep state psyops...

I think this is why C99 is an important go to site to have at least some honest discussion. Many thanks my friend!

I personally have no hope we as a nation are able to impact this petrified disaster of our current purchased and owned government. The upcoming economic collapse will be an opportunity to continue putting us on the neo-fuedalist path to subservience. It will be interesting to see how it unfolds.

Hope all is well in your world. A cold 20F this AM here. Thanks for your thoughtful OT!

up
10 users have voted.

“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

@Lookout
using fear is a tactic old as time and has been taken to an exponential level with the advent of the information age, I.E.- the surveillance age.

The unavoidable economic collapse will determine the trajectory of civil society from here on. It will be interesting to see if mankind still has it within itself to be equal and just. I have my doubts.

And there's this:

milgram.jpg

The reason for my doubts.

It's been pretty chill here in Southeast Texas, but nothing below freezing at night yet, but that's coming next week.

Enjoy your hog heaven in the holler!

up
7 users have voted.
TheOtherMaven's picture

at least according to the late great Terry Pratchett. And he doesn't ride a horse, he drives a chariot. (In between rideouts, he's the most efficient milkman in Ankh-Morpork.)

Given that the world is getting more and more chaotic, I think TP was onto something.

up
8 users have voted.

There is no justice. There can be no peace.

@TheOtherMaven
of Chaos as the Fifth Horseman fits neatly in with my premise as well.

Fear and chaos are the tools of despots and this iteration of despots has gone global, so it seems. The despots' tools have been with us for ages but have really been honed in the last few years, especially since the lockdowns. They are learning the parameters in this modern age, much to the chagrin of the common folk.

up
7 users have voted.
QMS's picture

there is no substance to fear
as it is mostly a convenient delusion

up
4 users have voted.

question everything

@QMS
insanity is a feature not a bug.

Fear can save your life in a fight or flight situation, or cause the mind to close down making one vulnerable to manipulation in the least, and putting one's life in peril at the most. I believe that it's the latter, manipulation and peril, that the masters of chaos have in mind.

Great tunage. I've heard it a bajillion times and never tire of it.

up
5 users have voted.

From FDR's first inaugural address:

The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.

Recognition of the falsity of material wealth as the standard of success goes hand in hand with the abandonment of the false belief that public office and high political position are to be valued only by the standards of pride of place and personal profit; and there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing. Small wonder that confidence languishes, for it thrives only on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection, on unselfish performance; without them it cannot live.

The world goes round and round.

up
11 users have voted.

I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

@fire with fire

It's surreal the way Trump has reentered the political arena like a prodigal professional wrestler that's returned to defeat his opponents in a Thunderdome cage match. It's even more surreal to watch him so carefully constructed into a mythical being by the political right. It all seems so scripted. And if it is scripted, would he not be the perfect politician to lead the political right into a digital currency? The group that would probably be the most reluctant to do so?

I don't know, it all seems so crazy. But doesn't just about everything seem crazy nowadays?

Caveat emptor.

I have been thinking the same thought -- this all looks like a scripted story, including the assassination attempts. I find it weirdest of all that the Dems and their media cheerleaders have all graciously accepted the validity of the election results after eight consecutive years of Trump-Putin Hate.

We look paranoid when we suggest that American elections are shams. Clever mother fuckers to get us to paint ourselves into this corner.

FDR taught the money changers a lesson and no politician will ever be able to chase them out of the temple again.

We will need to take our own collective action.

up
8 users have voted.

I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

@fire with fire
painted themselves into a corner with their adamant rejection of possible election tampering in the 2020 election, even though Hillary Clinton started that ball rolling with Russia, Russia, Russia. And it hasn't stopped a few Dems from revisiting the Russian blame game again anyway.

What's also a head scratcher is the much predicted riots and protesting bodies in the streets, so far it hasn't happened, but that doesn't preclude it from happening in the future. Perhaps the fear of what has happened to the J6ers and the possibility that it could reciprocate upon themselves. And per my essay, the fear of what Trump may do when and if he takes power again. And yes, I intentionally added the "if" qualifier.

And the beat rolls on.

up
6 users have voted.

@fire with fire
how many times down through the centuries that message, in different forms, has been gifted to the tired, the poor, and the huddled masses, as the Statue of Liberty states. It doesn't seem to sink in though. Perhaps every generation has to relearn what the preceding generations learned from their experiences.

As a species that has the ability to ponder the future and look back upon the past, we do appear to be short sighted in that respect.

up
7 users have voted.
usefewersyllables's picture

@fire with fire

the answer. It has been reduced to mere survival, at least for me. I've finally come to hate my career, a thing that I once did not think possible.

Rant follows.

Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits.

When there is no longer a chance for achievement or advancement via one's work, and creative energies are stomped out as viciously as one would exterminate an unwanted roach whenever they might manifest, work cannot be looked to to provide mental sustenance. Add to that the fact that every business is balanced on the razor's edge, ready to be extinguished when the inevitable crash comes, and the sure knowledge that when it comes only the occupants of the C-suite will be given a golden kissoff, or any kissoff at all. There'll just be a padlock on the door one morning. Given that, the "value" of work has been reduced to mere paycheck-to-paycheck paranoid squalor, with uncertainty the only thing on the horizon.

In my humble opinion Humanity needs an upside, something to look forward to. What we have now is carefully-curated, unending fear, uncertainty, and Hate, to the exclusion of all else.

Given that reality, it is no surprise at all that many people are celebrating an oligarch getting *smoked* on the sidewalks of New York. That has represented one of the few smiles I've had recently.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fwc92ojasn65e1...

up
9 users have voted.

Twice bitten, permanently shy.

@usefewersyllables as something of intrinsic value.

In the present context, much of FDR's rhetoric is too anachronistic to shed much light.

I still appreciate the speech.

up
7 users have voted.

I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

usefewersyllables's picture

@fire with fire

That speech represents happier times, to be sure. FDR would not recognize the America of today.

up
8 users have voted.

Twice bitten, permanently shy.

enhydra lutris's picture

your own fears (or their ill effects) as successfully as the Pied Piper banished Hamlin's rats. The Pied Piper himself was to be feared because he led the town's kids astray away to who knows where. Of course that didn't happen in a vacuum. He first fulfilled his contract with the city and rid the place of its rats and then they stiffed him of his fee.
There are many places one can go with that allegory, many places to ride that horse as it were.

We are, all of us, getting continuously stiffed by currency devaluation via "inflation" and the enshittification of the goods and services we obtain for our hard earned coin. And it is quite possible, and seriously to be feared that they will enslave us all by mandating CBDCs. Sadly, nobody has rid us of our rats and nobody is at all likely to do so. Anybody claiming an intent to do so is almost certainly just another snake-oil salesperson. Is (s)he the sixth horseman, or the true identity of the first, one wonders.

Digression: Death, it seems rides a pale horse, so be it. Cinema presented us with a wonderful take on that in the form of Clint Eastwood's "Pale Rider". Ignoring the specifics of those who got killed, one unmistakable fact is that the Pale Rider and 4th horseman is a preacher. Uh, Huh.

be well and have a good one

up
10 users have voted.

That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris
for the expansion on the Pied Piper theme.

The rats, er, bankers, have proven to be a resilient subset of humans. Perhaps it's the usury that causes them to flourish. One may overturn their tables, only to have them return in perpetuity.

Ah, Clint Eastwood's Pale Rider. You've touched upon one of my favorite movies and your description of the "preacher" as the pale horseman is apropos to this discussion.

The Outlaw Josey Wales is my favorite though. "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms." don't ya' know.

up
6 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

.

“Steadfast Defender 2024” this year, simulating an attack on Russia

In total, 90 thousand soldiers from 31 countries, 80 aircraft and helicopters, 50 ships, and 166 tanks were to take part in the NATO exercises.

However, the forces that looked formidable on paper turned out to be a sham in reality. For example, as part of the "Brilliant Jump" exercises, 600 vehicles were supposed to be moved from Britain to Poland. In the end, only 100 were sent from the islands. Less than half made it to Poland. And so it is with everything.

New NATO members Sweden and Finland were able to send only five Leopard tanks to the joint exercises. And it looked very funny: the tanks drove up to the supposed battle site on asphalt, and when they tried to leave it for soft earth, they immediately got stuck. So they practiced on asphalt.

IMG_6576.jpeg

Even funnier was the deployment of US and British Marines in the snows of Russia (the role of the latter was played by the snows of Norway). Two companies of Americans, British, and the Norwegians attached to them had to simply live for two weeks in tents in the winter forest. It turned out that the soldiers simply didn't know how to melt snow on a fire to get water. And on the third day, 54 people got frostbite on their penises (really, this is not a joke).

This happened because of poor quality equipment. The tents had holes and cracks, and the heaters broke down on the second day. The US and British Marines were unable to dig in or keep warm in the winter forest. On the third day, the exercises ended - the Marines defeated the conventional "Russia" and returned to their warm quarters.

It gets even worse….

Meanwhile Russia has been fighting and learning about modern warfare and has been training and rotating their troops in Ukraine for 3 years. They have defeated the biggest army in Europe and broken down the intense defenses that Ukraine built up for over 8 years. Then they defeated the 2nd army and the 3rd and now has the Ukraine army running away. Plus Russia has a lot of new weapons that NATO has no defense against.

But seriously what were those guys doing with their penises that they got frostbite?

And just how much did it cost to send 100 jeeps from Britain to Poland let alone the 600 that were meant to be sent? And who got the money?

up
11 users have voted.

Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

TheOtherMaven's picture

@snoopydawg

That would probably be enough to do it.

up
6 users have voted.

There is no justice. There can be no peace.

@TheOtherMaven
to the phrase "Don't piss in the wind".

up
8 users have voted.

@snoopydawg
of how King Henry and the English defeated the French at the battle of Agincourt.

The Key Factor: Mud

Once the English archers were in place, the comparatively thin line of English knights kneeled awkwardly in their armor to make the sign of the cross before advancing on foot over the waterlogged field behind the archers to a point within 300 yards of the French. The sight of the smaller English army boldly advancing so excited the mounted French knights on each flank that they largely abandoned discipline to break into a ragged attack, shouting, “Montjoie! Saint Denis!” As they spurred their horses onward, the soggy ground beneath them was churned into clinging mud, which slowed the charge immediately. Nonetheless, cheers rose from the other French nobles standing behind them as they caught the excitement and moved forward as well.

As might have been anticipated, horses quickly began to slip in the mud. As this happened, the French attackers converging from both flanks were thrown into confusion by devastating volleys from the English archers, dispatched in four clouds of arrows. Although the French knights’ armor deflected many of the arrows, their less-well-clad horses were not so fortunate—they stumbled or dropped in their tracks. Some knights were pitched to the ground. Riderless mounts bolted about, colliding with advancing French foot soldiers. By now, horses and men on the field were ankle-deep in mud. The French artillery, intimidated by the first flight of arrows, had pulled back rather than face more steel-tipped projectiles.

Less than a hundred of the mounted French knights ever reached the spike-barricade placed by the English archers. The rest lay mired in the churned-up mud—dead, wounded, or stumbling about in a daze. French cavalry commander Guillaume de Saveuse was one of the dead, killed by a mallet blow or stab wound through his armor-joint after his horse impaled itself on one of the spikes. Without pause, the second line of French began to advance on foot, moving ponderously through the mud in face of flights of arrows. Although it continued to be a cool day, the knights began to sweat in their 60 pounds of armor from the exertion of trudging through the mud. As they proceeded, many could not avoid stiff-legging their way over the dead and wounded, causing any number to suffocate in the mud.

The footing grew worse as the centers of both armies locked together in hand-to-hand combat. Slowly the reinforced French attack drove the English center back, and the battle lost its form in the confined area between the woods. By one account, Henry “fought not as a king but as a knight, leading the way when possible, giving and receiving cruel blows.” The English middle rallied as the right flank engaged, but the obese York was trampled under foot. He either suffocated or suffered a heart attack, since his armor-clad body was found afterward without a wound. The Earl of Oxford was killed also, but Henry called upon Robert Howard, one of the ship captains and a friend of his youth, to take the earl’s place. Howard rose to the occasion as the English archers dropped their longbows to wade into the fray, wielding their axes and short swords.

By now, the French knights were so crammed together they could barely swing their own weapons, and when they were knocked down they found it impossible to get up from the mud in their heavy armor. The more nimble English archers made many French knights lame by slashing their short axes against the backs of their adversaries’ knees. Those sprawling on the ground were helpless to protect themselves from the archers, who mercilessly thrust their daggers through the slits of visors or into the mail covering armpits or groins. The Duke of Alenon, finding himself cut off and surrounded, shouted his surrender to King Henry, who was a few yards away coming to his brother Gloucester’s aid. Before the king could intercede, however, Alenon was slashed and beaten to death by swarming English archers. The Duke of Brabant, younger brother of the Duke of Burgundy, borrowed a lesser nobleman’s armor and galloped into the fray only to be unhorsed and quickly dispatched by archers who did not recognize his worth because his borrowed armor did not mark him as a man of distinction.

In the first two hours of the three-hour battle, the French suffered a staggering 5,000 killed in a bloodbath that included three dukes, five counts, and 90 barons. By this stage, more English knights and archers were gathering up prisoners than continuing to fight. (A French noble would fetch enough in ransom to make a poor man comparatively comfortable for life.) Meanwhile, the knights in the third French line watched the disastrous scene. In a cruel mix-up, Henry ordered the French prisoners killed when he heard that a newly arrived enemy force (actually bands of local peasants) was attacking his lightly guarded rear. The order was only fitfully obeyed by the English nobles, who found it morally repugnant to kill their French counterparts after they had surrendered, and Henry had to deputize a force of 200 low-born archers to carry out the brutal and unnecessary slaughter. When it became evident that the uncommitted third French line, daunted by the fate of the first two lines, was withdrawing from the battlefield, Henry rescinded his order, but by then dozens of duly surrendered French nobles had met a most ignoble fate in the bloodstained mud at Agincourt.

up
7 users have voted.
soryang's picture

@snoopydawg

This is one disadvantage of heavier tanks. Sometimes even then, the shoulder of the berm or road used is weak, and fails. Then the tank slips down into the mud anyway. It's important to have tank retrievers with enough power to pull them out. Naturally, the whole time that operation is going on you're a sitting duck and the roadway is usually blocked. Under these conditions, even small 4 wheel drive tactical vehicles (HUMV?) get stuck.

up
6 users have voted.

語必忠信 行必正直

usefewersyllables but I have to note the irony of considering the pit of the Great Depression -- when actual fascism was taking command of much of Europe and Stalin was the Boss of the Soviet Union -- a happy time. IT'S ALL RELATIVE.

Yet man is born unto trouble as the sparks fly upward. JOB 5:7

up
7 users have voted.

I cried when I wrote this song. Sue me if I play too long.

Socialprogressive's picture

at using fear to manipulate the masses. They've been doing it since the dawn of civilization. Same as it ever was.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the man come and take you away

up
10 users have voted.

I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.

@Socialprogressive
my generation learned the hard way. Protesters were beaten, jailed and even killed.

I'm surprised a lot of my generation has forgotten those lessons and are now calling for those very same things to happen to the current generation. I guess that's a testament to the veracity of fear.

up
10 users have voted.

was posted yesterday for those that do not have time to watch all of it.

If you click on "show more" you will have the ability to access the links.

up
9 users have voted.
snoopydawg's picture

@humphrey

I can’t link from phone.

up
4 users have voted.

Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.

up
5 users have voted.