Democratic Establishment says, 'C'mon under our big tent and get yer diminished expectations right here!'

We are in the midst of a moment in American politics where change is possible; as the success of outsider candidates makes clear, a sizable body of the people want real, substantive, paradigm-shifting (perhaps even radical by American standards) change. Given the tenacity and success of establishment candidates, you can see that there are is also a sizable body of people who oppose change that comes in large increments as either unproductive or potentially disruptive.

In the Democratic race, the positions and policies of Sanders and Clinton have been dissected, compared and contrasted - but the key debate is about the kind of change we are to have.

The change debate is the transcendent issue of this contest. The contested issue is whether the American people can demand and have implemented by their "representatives" in government wholesale change, or if they must settle for minor incremental changes described as pragmatic and "progressive" (for people who like to get things done) - because the representatives must ask the permission of the 1% before proceeding.

On the campaign trail the debate is fundamentally about expectations:

In a debate with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Senator Sanders referred to the achievements of the Nordic countries in providing such things as universal health care and free higher education as models for the United States. Secretary Clinton responded by saying, "I love Denmark, but the United States is not Denmark." What does that mean? The allusion is not to insufficient economic resources but to unrealistic political expectations. ...

The Democratic party establishment also seems to have adopted the mindset of diminished expectations. Why else, when it had the majority, did it cave in on supporting the public option when the Affordable Care Act was being debated? Why has it consigned the accomplishments of the New Deal to the dustbin of history?

Last night I ran across an excellent post by Gaius Publius over at Down with Tyranny.

The post quotes Corey Robin:

"Amid all the accusations that Hillary Clinton is not an honest or authentic politician, that she's an endless shape-shifter who says whatever works to get her to the next primary, it's important not to lose sight of the one truth she's been telling, and will continue to tell, the voters: things will not get better. Ever. At first, I thought this was just an electoral ploy against Sanders: don't listen to the guy promising the moon. No such thing as a free lunch and all that. But it goes deeper. The American ruling class has been trying to figure out for years, if not decades, how to manage decline, how to get Americans to get used to diminished expectations, how to adapt to the notion that life for the next generation will be worse than for the previous generation, and now, how to accept (as Alex Gourevitch reminded me tonight) low to zero growth rates as the new economic normal. Clinton's campaign message isn't just for Bernie voters; it's for everyone. Expect little, deserve less, ask for nothing. When the leading candidate of the more left of the two parties is saying that - and getting the majority of its voters to embrace that message - the work of the American ruling class is done."

He goes on to quote Avedon Carol:

In Germany after WWI, austerity imposed by outsiders created the conditions for fascism to grow. We knew this. We were even taught this in school. And we certainly know just how good that is for women and minorities.

But in America (and Britain), that austerity is being imposed by our own leaders, and most effectively by leaders of the Democratic Party (and Labour Party) — the supposed "left" party, the party that was understood to support working people.

Clinton, like all of the DLC, talks like this "new economy" of decline is something that just happened, like it's a natural force. They do not admit that it was a political decision to break the power of ordinary working people and put it back into the hands of the aristocracy. They pat us on the head and tell us they will try not to make it as bad as the Republicans will, but it will happen and there is nothing to be done about it.

Clinton and the vast left wing establishment do the work of the 1% (which funds their campaigns and the campaigns of their right-wing rivals) by creating both the diminished circumstances of Americans through austerity policies and the "insurmountable obstacle" to truly substantive change, fabled in Clinton's campaign rhetoric.

It's a giant non-military psy-op.

While Clinton harrumphs about Republican obstructionism, Bernie Sanders talks about mobilizing the greatest force in American politics, the force upon whose consent the whole edifice relies for legitimacy - American citizens.

Clinton's campaign is about getting people to accept the decline and manage their perceptions, expectations and demands.

Sanders' campaign is about resistance, taking back the reins of power from a corrupt establishment and the 1% that owns it.

As Gaius Publius puts it,"Both parties are giving away the store, cleaning out the cash register. ... The Democrats want to soften the blow more than the Republicans — a kinder, gentler devastation if you will. A softer crash landing. ...

That's what this election is about — on both sides. Acceptance or resistance."

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jobu's picture

Yes. Its NAFTA or New Deal. Michigan was a real victory in this regard. A stunning rebuke of NAFTA
23 years on. I hope it continues in Ohio and elsewhere.

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joe shikspack's picture

good to see you!

i think the trade issue is a key issue in the democratic campaign. in states that formerly had a significant industrial base, i think clinton is extremely vulnerable on nafta and her 47 supportive comments about tpp.

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jobu's picture

Getting right again on trade and deregulation are IMO key to the success of our Party in general. I have railed on these issues for years over at that other place. It became crystal clear in early 2009 that Third Way was back in the drivers seat and NeoLib policies were all we could expect.

IMO, the failure to prosecute Wall Street politically and legally was a colossal failure. It allowed the TeaParty Repubs to fill the vacuum and blame Fannie and Freddie with Southern Strategy 5.0, which is irony of biblical proportions. Reaganism sowed the Trickle-Down/de-regulatory winds and Democrats reaped the electoral whirlwind of 2010 and 2014.

Of course, it was the Progressives fault. We were the 'fucking retards'.

Bernie is exposing that. The curtain is finally being pulled on the Third Way Wizards of Oz.

He is showing Democrats that Third Way policies are puppies and rainbows, not the other way around.

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Unabashed Liberal's picture

"good to be seen," made me smile, 'cause one of my best (platonic) male college friends used to say that all the time.

And for whatever reason, it always made me chuckle. (I saw Ralph's face, as soon as I read your comment--which brought back many happy memories.)

Hey, glad that you've joined us!

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Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.

angel d's picture

a/k/a my mom says Bernie will win Ohio. I trust her on these things, she was right about Michigan. In fact, she keeps telling me to calm down, that Bernie will win. Now, I'm guilty of second-guessing my mom my whole life an when I finally stopped doing that, and really learned to trust her judgment, she calls Bernie the winner before the first primary. I have no choice to but to accept that! Smile

I asked about Illlinois, she's not sure. But Bernie's new ad for Chicago, if you have not yet seen it, here it is: https://youtu.be/VIVypM6zcKQ looks pretty pretty pretty good!

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stevej's picture

a template for diary approval after March 15th. Rumor has it that very minor changes will be permitted.
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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

supenau's picture

Good Grief

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stevej's picture

Surprised that several Sander's supporters are taking the post at face value

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“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire

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Surprised that several Sander's supporters are taking the post at face value.

I think that it's more like the Sanders supporters "over there" aren't willing to fight an unwinnable battle anymore. Better to spend the hard work getting the nomination for Bernie!

After all, it's not like kos is liable to change his mind about il Pronunziamento any time soon!

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

stevej's picture

I certainly wouldn't bother if I still used the place (complete waste of pixels imo) - but some Sander's supporters were actively praising the diarist.

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Unabashed Liberal's picture

those distinctive markings.

It's been fun seeing all the new canine avatars pop up this week.

Welcome!

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"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown

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supenau's picture

LilliGrace. She is a sweetie.

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gulfgal98's picture

What a cute pup you have there! I cannot figure what it is, but he or she is cute as can be.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

supenau's picture

Thank you. She is unique. Plus we have doxies, a shepard, a Walker hound, cats and horses. Our vet loves us. And a mule. Shame on me for leaving out Mini-Pearl

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would have been a poodle mix, the mix part mostly because of her coloration and her long ears. She is absolutly gorgeous. We have two springer rescues and the world's largest pom.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

pfiore8's picture

"... the world's largest pom" i first saw "p o r n" and thought huh??? then i realized it was P O M.

love the spitz! my romanian girl is, i believe, part keeshond and some kind of herder. i've read that no one knows for sure if the pom was bred down from the kees or the kees was bred up from the pom. either way, they are my favorites. independent, funny, lively and very cool.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

I have one, or rather, he has me. Very sweet, but also a bit like the Borg: "Resistance is futile" when he thinks it's time for whatever. He does let me have my way a reasonable proportion of the time, or when I really feel strongly about something. Herd Guardian seems to be his built in role, and I'm pretty sure He considers me a part of his herd, along with the sheep and the chickens. No coyotes allowed.

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i'll try to remember to take some pictures for you of the mules when we walk though the park and to De Smid . . . it's the garden of the smith (a real smith) who had a place in the city of Leiden and then decided to open this place in the park.

i'm an expat living in The Netherlands, to explain how i walk here.

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“There are moments which are not calculable, and cannot be assessed in words; they live on in the solution of memory… ”
― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

Even though dogs have to overcome some initial suspicion. And mules will play with you or with dogs (drives some horse people crazy).

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reflectionsv37's picture

by the new Hillary supporters nearly made me vomit. One after another they tried to outdo each other on who could write the most flowery bullshit and get the most adjectives into one sentence. I had to post my "displeasure" with everyone I mistakenly read. It's really nice being away from that place. And I spent nearly 12 years there!

I will return there on one condition, but only temporarily. If/when Bernie wins the nomination, I'm going back and plan to post as many "Happy Dance" diaries as I can find until I'm banned. With what I have planned, I don't think it will take too long!

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MonetaryLeviathon's picture

interesting when someone from 'over there' tried to get me involved in a state 'for the democrats' group political thing and I wrote back that I am only interested in Bernie Sanders and I never heard back from them again

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MarilynW's picture

that's what the US needs in a President. She warmly approved of the invasion of Iraq and she found the Quaddafi assassination really funny. Remember "we came, we saw, he died" regarding his death and the destruction of Libya which is still a failed state 5 years later?

Hi Steve, welcome to C-99%!

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To thine own self be true.

stevej's picture

Thanks! great to see your name - expect a long and boring email in the very future Smile

Yeah, warm gracious and funny are not the first words that come to mind when thinking about HRHHRC

The 'We came we saw he died' video is absolutely chilling

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they found out he was a pedophile. Don't neighbors always say that mass murderers are the nicest people?

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joe shikspack's picture

what a charming humanitarian war criminal she is!

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gulfgal98's picture

This is what I call old lady politics. I have seen this with my MIL too. They do not care about her policies, only that 30 to 40 years ago, she was a nice person at some sort of political meet and greet.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

MonetaryLeviathon's picture

laughter afterwards that made me so much more acutely aware of her psychopathology.

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joe shikspack's picture

it's not quite obsequious enough, but close. Smile

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stevej's picture

ha! yes - I thought it was a little on the edgy side of acceptable but baby steps

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detroitmechworks's picture

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm1fXiyzlHw]

Second reaction... Whelp, Hillary's not going to have any trouble finding licked clean boots...

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cybrestrike's picture

I think I just puked in my mouth a bit. It's like reading a Republican piece that relies on emotional appeal to authority.

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Blasphemy101's picture

You are completely correct in that assessment. I had to go take some Dramamine after reading it.

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angel d's picture

linking us to a vomitorium!!!

GACK

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SnappleBC's picture

Hillary Clinton is a public figure. She provides her own character reference all the time and it's there for all of us to see.

And then, of course, there's the comment stream. They make it sound like I dislike Hillary because of right wing talking points and because she's a woman. Let's not discuss things like Libya, Honduras, Iraq, the swirl of unseemly things surrounding the Clinton Foundation, her private email server, David Brock, Blue Nation Review, Henry FUCKING Kissinger, or her carrying the water for Wall Street during the Mexico "crisis".

I have come to the conclusion that if you're a Hillary supporter than reality itself is a right-wing talking point.

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MonetaryLeviathon's picture

funny how those very real and well known items all over the internet with videos and whatnot are branded as political opposition heresy when our lying eyes and ears can see and hear her support for these things.

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telebob's picture

this seems like our once-in-a-lifetime chance to recapture our Government from the Plutocrats and bend the arc of history back toward justice.

Whether or not we succeed in the short term, the struggle will continue. Our adversaries will never stop fighting to own us. Their love of power allows them no other vision.

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joe shikspack's picture

another way of looking at it is that this is the time when peoples' interests are aligned in a manner that will allow us to build the citizen's movement that we've always needed to take back the government no matter who is in office.

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pfiore8's picture

and CHANGE is a scary and often vague word. I'd use words sustainable and stability more often and I'd always try to describe the "change" . . . because George Bush certainly brought BIG change.

in fact, the language of politics would benefit if we didn't see elections as contests where people gain power and they win or they lose. In fact, we are the winners or losers, just look at Kansas and Michigan and Florida and . . .

What would happen if we replace winning and POWER with elected and service: change the language of politics to represent what we WANT from those we put in government.

This is something we can do here. Start here. See if it takes.

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joe shikspack's picture

i think that we also need to create a more expansive understanding of what citizenship means and the relationship of the citizen to the representative. citizenship should be seen as more a more active role than showing up at a polling place every couple of years.

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Unabashed Liberal's picture

my eyes are deceiving me, you've changed your avatar.

Power to the pooches, LOL!

Wink

Have a good one.

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pfiore8's picture

she's a real cutie... what is your pup's name?

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Unabashed Liberal's picture

seen references to an almost crisis situation (stray dogs) in Romania. Bobby is a handsome lass!

That's (nicknamed) Mister B, or as I often call him when blogging--'the B.'

Wink

Nice to see you, again.

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k9disc's picture

that Romanian dog thing pretty closely a while back. Good on you for adopting.

Here's a video of Bruno and his dogs winning Romania's Got Talent:

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

k9disc's picture

He freaked dog people out in Romania, for sure.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

angel d's picture

PROSPERITY?

I mean, damn we've all had enough austerity, right?

Please god give us prosperity

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

I think one of the problems among liberals and progressives over the last couple decades has been a seriously imperfect understanding of power. Like, often we don't even make a strategic or tactical analysis of a situation, but act like everything is a policy debate.

In 2011, I went to the Campaign for America's Future conference, and every panel and speech I heard there except one was about our great policy ideas and why they're better than the Republicans'. I kept thinking, well, sure, but how are we going to do anything about it? We need to talk about how we're going to make these ideas the law of the land. (Remember, this was the fall of 2011, after Obama moved the Overton window rightward by attacking Social Security and the Republicans took over both houses of Congress. We *needed* to talk about power.)

Hillary has corrupted this question into the talking point: I know how to get things done, and in her hands, this issue is a disingenuous distortion, mainly because nobody doubts her ability to get things done--for a bunch of wealthy nihilists. But the issue is still vitally important, despite her dumping her campaign garbage all over it.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

MonetaryLeviathon's picture

meme. Don't they realize the people don't want someone with a lot of experience destroying the entire economic fabric of the nation? And economic mobility isn't getting a job at walmart after being a bartender

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here. Is that a rule or something?

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He's a beautiful golden retriever. But I'm technologically challenged and too old and ornery to do anything about it!

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Twain Disciple

joe shikspack's picture

it's not a rule, but the place does appear to be going to the dogs. Smile

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pfiore8's picture

it could be worse

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― Lawrence Durrell, "Justine"

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I don't know if it was a rule, but I do think that great minds think alike !

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at a quotation from the Wall Street Journal read on Morning Joe -the bosses are chiding Hillary to beware of letting Bernie pull her too far toward liberal views. Isn't that cute? The WSJ trying to help out a "Democrat"?

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Twain Disciple

joe shikspack's picture

heh, hillary is probably going to be endorsed by the wsj if trump wins the rethug nomination. they're just laying down their marker.

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That will wake up some people as to who she actually is.

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Big Al's picture

what's going to happen if he loses? Will he tell his supporters to back Clinton as expected and as he's indicated in the past? And then what?
How can he reconcile his political revolution with asking people to vote for a war criminal? Fortunately we don't have too much longer to endure this spectacle before finding out.

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joe shikspack's picture

well, i don't think that bernie is planning on losing, but, if he endorses clinton, it will not affect the votes of very large numbers of people.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

There will be no more change candidates from the Democratic party in my lifetime that elicit anything other than a disgusted snort from the American people.

One way or another, the framework of the last 35 years will end with this primary fight. The only way it can stagger on for a few more years is if Sanders loses and does absolutely nothing at all--neither throws his support to her, nor emphatically doesn't, nor does anything in a third-party or a Howard Dean sort of way.
If he loses and then simply says: I leave the choice of whom to vote for to my supporters, as a matter of individual conscience, then *maybe* the current political framework can stagger on for a few more years.

But more than likely, it's done for--for better or worse.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Shahryar's picture

it would definitely be news if he were to say "you know what? I can't support Hillary Clinton. And, oh by the way, the Democratic Party itself is corrupt."

Then he'd be a hero. If he should lose but then endorse...well, as you say.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

joe shikspack's picture

thanks! that is an excellent article. i'll put it in the eb tomorrow night so that it gets a little more circulation.

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

People in Jesse LaGreca's feed have been talking a lot about how there's not much difference between Bernie and Hillary. Apparently that's the direction they're going next, to try and prepare for the general, I assume?

It's obviously not for the primary, since Hillary has been trying to demonize Bernie as a Communist tyrant sympathizer down here in Florida--a pro-Castro Sandinista-lover.

Being a Somozista, OTOH, is apparently peachy.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Shahryar's picture

nt!

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Mark from Queens's picture

I remember hearing not too long after Occupy was razed in the middle of the night by the Domestic Security Alliance that he might be getting his own tv show somewhere. At first I thought that would be great, considering how sharp and quick-witted on his feet he is and liberal in his views. But right after, I thought, this is the perfect kind of scenario in which the PTB oligarchs love to operate: in their predatory instincts basically make an offer to buy him out, by sucking him up into some party operative and giving him a chunk of money.

Then it just seemed like his views starting becoming a little more mainstream, watered-down. Think he had some personal issues to deal with at that time too, which complicated things, but still. What happened to that clear, revolutionary voice?

But yeah, seems like he's become a sad casualty of the Democratic Party machinery. Heart-breaking. I think of the many gifted people who were down at Zuccotti also and wonder what happened to them.

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THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

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detroitmechworks's picture

Is just my rational reaction to yet another kitchen sink attack.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs]

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

LMAO

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Shahryar's picture

someone once said something like "consider the fellow with an IQ of 99. He is the smartest one of half the population".

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Shahryar's picture

He's the guy who said it! And right above here! Now I feel like I'm in the lower group.

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enhydra lutris's picture

normal populations and cracked wise about the distribution of intelligence, but I cannot recall the quote at all. He may also be the one who pointed out that the president is smarter than at least of the populace, because a majority voted for him.

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MonetaryLeviathon's picture

a lot of successful brainwashing going on.... been happening for decades now. I know some very intelligent people who believe things that are simply not true and its not a religion at all ... like free trade agreements enable trade... as if we didn't have trade prior to stupid vile 'agreements' that have simply destroyed jobs in the US. They believe it is all for the greater good when, in fact, in over twenty years I have yet to hear an articulate debate about its pro's and con's. All discussions have been either individuals or groups all saying the US needs it... or a much rarer event that someone who is well known has an interview with a non MSM interviewer posted on youtube saying its a bad thing ... never a debate.

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stevej's picture

outing a few weeks ago - something along the lines that they voted the same way 93% of the time - which of course proves nothing as the 7% leaves a lot of space for massive differences.

By the same logic: IIRC human DNA is over 99% common across all individuals therefore Stalin was really no different to Gandhi

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telebob's picture

IIRC, 7% is about the difference between Gorillas and Humans, FWIW.

I generally avoid pie, but I almost replied to one of those comments with:

"OK, well that helps us focus the debate. Tell me about the times their votes were different."

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If you plant ice, you're gonna harvest wind. -R. Hunter/J. Garcia

by looking at aggregate votes is a pretty poor way to infer much about the politician. it's rare that any individual's vote on a particular bill matters much, so any given legislator's voting history is likely to be a statistical hodgepodge of protests, panders, and other folderol. at the very least, the voting patterns will tell you more about the politician's district than about the politician.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

joe shikspack's picture

hey, hillary clinton and sarah palin are both women, so they're pretty much the same, too!

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

joe shikspack's picture

i'd love to see bernie score an upset in florida. i believe that might just make mr. kos have a fit, though.

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SnappleBC's picture

Only 9000?

That's the first time in a while I remember reading about him not overflowing a venue. Pick up the pace Bernie! Smile

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A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard

k9disc's picture

You can have anything you want. You can have austerity with a frowny face or a happy face. Take your pick.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

angel d's picture

Diminished Expectations

It's a set up, I don't buy it, the system is rigged.

My expectations are HIGH right now,but so is my ire.

Some days I love everybody, other days I see some people as my ENEMY. Right now, I think I am more angry at Clinton and her supporters than I am about tRump and his. I feel that those people who call themselves progressive and support this Kissinger-hugging, Wall Street-loving, neocon, LYING, corrupt, greedy fucking .... it tears me up, it's a betrayal of our future, our kids, our lives, our country ... if they want to betray their own party, I guess I can find a new one but damn, they are in the way of this ONCE IN A LIFETIME opportunity to really bring about a more enlightened society for everyone! Is there something wrong with me that makes me just want to yell at them and say WAKE UP??

I don't understand and really, it breaks my heart. I will say this though, if any one of those people who support the self-serving, greedy, corrupt, lying oligarchs says they're"progressive," I will punch at the air!

Sorry for the rant, I really needed to vent. Thank you my dear Joe, my birthday twin.

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I'm not sure which should sadden you more -- the ones who understand that they are your enemies, or the ones who sincerely believe that they've got your best interests at heart.

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The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

What's also disturbing is that a lot of them see *us* as betraying the party. It's absolutely critical to defeat these Republican barbarians in the election to save SCOTUS, and we're voting for someone who's willing to cut off some of the party's biggest sources of funding!? They want us to wake up from our silly juvenile Bernie dreams and get with the usual program.

We've been stuck in a good cop/bad cop situation for thirty years. Vote for the nice Dem because the Rep will kill the country, but they've just been two heads of the same snake. I had such high hopes for Obama... but no, fooled again.

This time I'm not living on hope or dreams. Bernie can't pull this off by himself, and there aren't enough non-establishment Dems running for office this cycle to drive the revolution immediately. What he can do is spend two years in the bully pulpit spreading the word. The rest of us have to find other Bernies to run for offices everywhere, we have to fund them somehow - and we won't be able to take the Establishment by surprise again.

Overturning Citizens United is going to be *hard*. We'll need allies. That's why I force myself to try to understand and accept the Clinton contingent - if we can find what some of them are really looking for, if we can ease them out of the 'us versus them' mindset, we both have a far better chance of preserving our future and our kids.

How likely is it that most of the Clinton supporters really want an oligarchy?

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Hillary is a woman and she has a D next to her name. They have been so brainwashed about the Democratic Party that they don't recognize a DINO. I think we need to start asking each other....what kind of Demorat are you....an FDR Democrat or a DLC democrat(which is code for Repulican lite). Hillary will always be a Goldwater girl at heart.

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joe shikspack's picture

a certain number of hillbots anticipate profiting from her policies, probably far more of them than actually will. the deluded ones who think that hillary is going to work in their interests are an enigma.

regarding "progressive," i think that democrats have succeeded in sucking the meaning out of the word, leaving a dessicated, amorphous lump of indeterminate word-tissue behind for people to attempt to reinflate with whatever concept they want.

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