Pledges, loyalty oaths, protests and unintended consequences
Here we are with protests and demands for superficial tokens of "loyalty" again. Here we are protesting the murder of people of color again. I have a story to tell about such matters because we have been there before.
My first faculty job was in the Biophysics Department at SUNY at Buffalo in 1965. I came back a year early from my post doc in Biophysics at the Weizmann Institute in Israel to protest the Vietnam War and work for Civil Rights. I was acting chairman of the department in a little over a year. Rather than capitalize on that success I ended up volunteering to teach at small predominantly Black college in Little Rock to be part of a program SUNY was carrying out there. So I spent the 1968-1969 school year teaching math and physics there.
Meanwhile I decided not to go back to SUNY and was job hunting. I was interviewed for the job of a creating and chairing a new biophysics department at the University of Oklahoma Medical School. I was very up front about my radical politics(including shoulder length hair) but they liked me and wanted me and gave me a luscious offer which I accepted.
About a month before I was to report there (I was already hiring faculty for my department) I got a strange envelope in the mail. It contained not just one, but four loyalty oaths for me to sign. I was to pledge my loyalty to the USA and to its constitution and to the State of Oklahoma and then to its constitution. The first legal question I asked was whether all four could be in conflict with each other at some time. Needless to say I got on the phone and explained that they were some what devious about how they sprung this on me knowing I could not possibly sign these documents. They said that they all had and if I didn't sign there was no job for me.
Here I was a month away from unemployment. My friends heard of this and within a few days I was offered a position as a visiting lecturer at the Biophysical Lab at Harvard Medical School. The salary was actually better. I then became a member of "The Corporation" as my Harvard ID termed it. No oaths no hitches and some really good students to teach and good colleagues to do research with.
It was not the first nor the last time I was willing to pay a price for my beliefs. I have never regretted my version of taking a knee.
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What a loss
to the great students of U of O.
Thank you for your courage, Don.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
sometimes
sometimes you got to say no I will not, and let life take its own way. ain't easy.
bygorry
@earthling1 @bygorry if life seems easy..
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
Perfect happiness is the absence of striving for happiness.
Zhuangzi.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
@earthling1 Zhuangzi (Chuang-tzu
Zhuangzi (Chuang-tzu 莊子 “Master Zhuang” late 4th century BC) is the pivotal figure in Classical Philosophical Daoism. The Zhuangzi is a compilation of his and others’ writings at the pinnacle of the philosophically subtle Classical period in China (5th–3rd century BC). The period was marked by humanist and naturalist reflections on normativity shaped by the metaphor of a dào—a social or a natural path. Traditional orthodoxy understood Zhuangzi as an anti-rational, credulous follower of a mystical Laozi. That traditional view dominated mainstream readings of the text. Recent archeological discoveries have largely laid that ancient orthodoxy to rest. Six centuries later, elements of Zhuangzi’s naturalism, along with themes found in the text attributed to Laozi helped shape Chan Buddhism (Japanese Zen)—a distinctively Chinese, naturalist blend of Daoism and Buddhism with its emphasis on focused engagement in our everyday ways of life. This wide range of views of Zhuangzi stem from the style of the text. Zhuangzi’s prose style is its own distinctive literary treasure. The central feature is the parable, typified as a discussion between imaginary or real interlocutors. Typically short, pithy, and amusing, his tales are both accessible and philosophically seductive—they both entertain and make you think. A respite from the dry moralizing of Confucians, the text was always a favorite of the Chinese intellectual, literati class. The Zhuangzi also attracts modern Western readers with its thoroughgoing naturalism, philosophical subtlety, and sophisticated humor, all set in a strikingly different conceptual scheme and its distant, exotic context.
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
Thanks, Don
Have recently been "turned on" to Zhuangzi through a commenter here, cementing my admiration of the people who participate here. Always educational and thoroughly entertaining.
Can't help thinking the parables Jesus spoke in were somehow linked to the writings of Zhuangzi and/or his contempories.
Zhuangzi used the parable to enlighten. Jesus to avoid persecution by Roman authorities.
Fascinating history. Much to learn.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
In the words of the Grateful Dead,
♪♫ ♪♫ “when life looks like Easy Street, there is danger at your door.”
Kudos ! - Did they at least answer your question?
I am just curious, because this is a good question, and I would like to know the answer, even if it was clear to you that you wouldn't sign it - independent of them answering your question or not. You probably knew the answer to that question anyway.
Why is life so complicated to understand?
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The Conundrum ...
Why is life so complicated to understand?
Maybe there are no answers, or maybe the answer is so simple it escapes understanding?
but look at what Don Mikulecki said about that ...
I look, and look, and look more and still ....the answers escape me.
I will check out "Australia and New Zealand" ... may be life is more easy over there ???
Just kidding. Not my day today. I always like your comments in the Photo essays. I wished I were that balanced and kind.
And I agree with Don Mikulecki.
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The Answer
There ain't no answer. There ain't gonna be any answer. There never has been an answer. There's the answer.
-- Gertrude Stein
I find this to be very reassuring.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
@centaurea @janisb @don mikulecki ... answers etc
You made me read Gertrude Stein's ...Wikipage. I didn't know her. So, this is the first time I heard about her. Her answer, you quoted, seemed to me a bit too simple and I am going to follow Don Mikulecki's advice to look at what appears to be simple a bit more carefully.
So, I read about her ... and to my surprise found some answers ...
It says there ...among others ...
hmm, I don't find her answers very reassuring at all.
Just saying. I have not the academic education to say something about her, but that Wikipage part of her bio I looked at carefully and I don't find it "reassuring" and the quote you gave in your comment I don't find reassuring as well. I don't say what I think about it though. We don't need moe controversy about it some seventy years later. And of course, it's not enough to read the Wikipage. So, this is just my spontaneous reaction to the fact that there are supposedly "no answers".
Peace.
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@mimi
Gertrude Stein was an interesting character. From the time I first heard of her, back in my 1970s "women's liberation" days, my sense of her was akin to what it feels like running your fingernail down a chalkboard. I suspect she was not an easy person to be around, although I don't think I am able to judge that as either a bad or good thing.
In any case, my comment about "reassuring" didn't refer to either Stein's life or her wiki page, but rather to the specific idea expressed in the quote, and relates back to your question ("Why is life so complicated to understand?") and, I believe, to Don's essay.
We humans seem to spend so much time and energy trying to figure things out. (Well, putting it in the first person, I certainly have done so. As a good friend of mine used to say whenever I started to get lost and stuck in overanalyzing things, "Centaurea, you think too much.") Life can be difficult and unpredictable, and we're on an overcrowded planet with a bunch of fellow human beings who are likewise difficult and unpredictable. I guess humans have a need -- maybe part of the need to feel safe and secure? -- to make it all make sense, and therefore more manageable.
A lot of humans are eternal seekers. Searching and seeking. The great mystery of life: "What does it all mean?" Because it's got to fit within some sort of belief system. Humans seem to need a belief system within which to operate, which provides the meaning, the questions and the answers, the framework for living. Sometimes an individual's personal belief system fits in with that of the prevailing culture, and sometimes it doesn't, which can be a darned challenging way to live.
I remember when I hit my forties and began to realize, at a gut level, that I wasn't going to live forever. I was aware of the problems in the world, the interesting and challenging things happening, and one of my regrets was that I wouldn't be around to see how it all turned out.
Twenty years on, and now in my early 60s, I know that "it" never "turns out". Life just goes on, one thing to the next, year after year, century after century. One way of being changes into the next, and so on. Belief systems come and go. Even if humanity devolves itself out of existence, something will go on without us.
So there is a part of me, at a deep level, that responds with a sense of relief to the idea that there is no "answer". A sense of space opens up, some breathing room to just be present. Ironically, it's in that open space that answers often arrive.
(And then the answers get concretized into a belief system, and away we go again.)
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Thank You, centaurea, I think I didn't deserve
that fine comment and reaction to my "answer" from your "answer" to "Stein's answer". As I said before, it is beyond my pay grade and I really would like to shut up. Thank you for being patient and understanding with me. I feel sick and would like to be left alone.
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Nice comment
I especially enjoyed this part ...
I don’t try to answer
the big existential questions of life. I tend to focus on the local, more intimate ones in my life for answers. Mostly the answers become clear when I can objectively observe my own behaviour (actions and responses). The one fundamental question I always come back to asking myself is, “how does this make me feel (viscerally) and how do I want to feel, and what part do I want to support?”. By considering that question I often find the answer.
Beware the European
using the word "ain't".
@mimi
This is probably too obvious to state, but that never stops me, lol. Never looking for answers results in blind unthinking acceptance of whatever you're told and is done to you. Hell of thing to recommend, unless to people you (the general 'you', of course, not you) feel are destined to be controlled and used by their betters.
Sentience needs to question authority, question everything. There may often not be a 'The Only Right Answer' but an understanding of principles and mechanisms in many cases can establish possibility/probability.
When principles in the human sense are not present in people or groups, actions and attitudes are indicators. We know this and know to beware of those who tell us not to speculate about things which potentially affect politics/policy and our world apparently 'in case we're wrong'. Might well be, but, apart from the fact that the general population as a whole is not on a jury, I generally suspect that what's feared is that enough of us doing so might brainstorm and accumulate enough information to arrive at the right answer (or at least in the right direction) and find evidence of this, something of which censorship is a very strong indication. Of fear of the power of the people uniting and demanding justice and freedom from those who seek to instill us with blind unthinking acceptance of whatever we're told and is done to us by people we are to feel are destined to control and use us as 'our betters'.
Recently I've seen on this site the odd person making mention (I hope ironically) of such things as hoping not to be banned for CT, showing more widely signs of fear of speaking out (has come up before in the odd member but) after a Hillary supporter began posting here. This is ingrained reaction, likely rooted in a fear of being rude and/or of being held up to ridicule, and one we do need to analyze and fight; it's when we begin to feel afraid to speak out that it is most important to do so.
Speculation gives birth to science, art and all advance, as well as sometimes helping to solve mysteries and the like. Much of it may be silly or merely for amusement, but it's part of being human and free.
Pavlovian Flag-waving, a bizarre emphasis on their country 'being the best', 'being the only', 'being Exceptional' with all others and their people less worthy, and continual Oaths routinely inflicted on citizens, as referenced in the essay, form part of - perhaps the base of - the comprehensive conditioning toward blind, unthinking, reactive obedience - but the fact of so many being able to see through it shows its limitations and the ability of the human mind to escape created boundaries despite the best efforts of propagandists.
I have always believed that one of the worst things that can be done to people involves limiting their minds, whether with lead in the water supply or with censorship and repressions. On this site, the only limit is engaging in hurtful activity and we need to appreciate this while we have it...
Guess I'm rambling again, best go get cofffffeeeee!!!!!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@mimi it is interesting
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
I tried to say that I haven't read anything about her
other than the Wikipage. But I intend to read her, because that's the only way to make up my mind.
I am sorry to have been judgmental without basing it on something she had written. I wasn't able to deduct context from the Wikipage. Yeah, I am way out of balance in my reaction. I know. Sorry.
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@Centaurea she always nailed it
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
@janis b the existential answer
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
A respectful bow to you,
for your integrity.
Cool story
I admire you Don.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Federal Loyalty Oath developed by Truman
President Harry S. Truman signed United States Executive Order 9835, sometimes known as the "Loyalty Order", on March 21, 1947.[1] The order established the first general loyalty program in the United States, designed to root out communist influence in the U.S. federal government. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9835
My political mentor was serving on the FCC at the time and refused to sign this unconstitutional document. Returning to Alabama, he became a leading figure in the Montgomery Civil Rights movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Durr
Interesting that when we stand on principles it leads us to new opportunities. There is nothing new under the Sun.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
@Lookout notice that democrats
An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the time. It stands or it falls on its own merits.
What a loss
To which I would like to add thanks for your integrity. (And essay!)
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.