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Open Thread - 11-21-2025 - Heard this story before

This fall the news seems to in a constant recycle of major themes. Regularly seek out the news sources I read, do not have any active news feeds and tend to ignore the current trend of most popular stories on a site. The newest trend I have noticed is instead of left/right media (for lack of better definition) responding to each others stories they are creating unique cycles for their target audience.

The world discourse has changed. Subjects or hypotheses considered not for civilized society are now being discussed. The stages of the discussion vary greatly depending on the news sources and information being spoon fed to a target groups via news feeds. I tend to use what would be considered right leaning sites for most references since left leaning sites are well covered Monday through Friday.

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China's economy is collapsing has been a constant theme since I first visited in 1989. In my opinion two primary reasons. The first a desire to displace the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) as rulers of China. Second foreign investors are not the primary beneficiary of development in China. Improved quality of life for citizens is a major priority. Perfect - no - but what system is?

Spent an interesting evening in the fall of 2002 with some business students in Xian discussing the future. They were educating me on Adam Smith's model of economics and how US used it to become the industrial powerhouse of the world. They were optimistic China could move from the world designated low quality manufacture of the moment and replace the high-end manufactures of the world in 20 years.

C’mon Nobel Committee, Zhu Rongji is 96, do the right thing! Asia Times Oct 15, 2025

British economist John Ross impishly told one interviewer that if the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences were honest, the Nobel Prize in Economics would have been awarded to Chinese economists every year for the past four decades.

Objectively, he has a point. China’s real GDP is 50 times what it was since reform and opening up began in 1978, far outpacing growth rates in Japan and the Asian Tigers (South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong) during their miracle decades.
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John Ross is now not alone. Economist Adam Tooze of Columbia University has suggested that the Nobel Prize in Economics be given to Chinese policy makers because China’s growth has been the most profound economic story of our lifetime.

Top China execs forecast more deflation and falling profits ahead. And that's the plan. (8.04 min)

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This story is showing up on right leaning sites. Occasionally with disclaimer - may not reflect opinion of site.

Was COVID Always A CIA Plot? ZeroHedge Nov 18, 2025

According to newly released emails, the United States Intelligence Community, led by the CIA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, held regular meetings with Dr. Ralph Baric, one of America’s leading coronavirus experts, since at least 2015.

Senator Rand Paul’s office has worked for years to obtain the documents.
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It seems perhaps crazy to imagine that there was a playbook for maintaining control by the old guard and that the pandemic option was among them. But perhaps it was. After all, Anthony Fauci frequently warned of a coming pandemic, and intelligence worked with universities and corporations for years and on multiple occasions to game out pandemic exercises (Event 201 and Crimson Contagion).

What we have here are new breadcrumbs pointing to a genuine coup attempt, one that grew as each stage in the deployment failed, culminating in relentless media campaigns, lawfare, and even assassination attempts. The newest evidence further reinforces the existence of a ruling class willing to engage in sadistic policies that compared with the worst of the last years of the Roman Empire.

Of course, this was not just about politics in the US. Populist movements had come alive the world over, from Europe to the UK to Brazil. Fully 194 countries were locked down over several weeks, with the claim that the problem would be fixed with universal human separation followed by injection of a compliant population. The scenario being built here through these releases is nothing short of terrifying.

Some countries reacted to COVID as a bioweapon. One suspicion was the virus utilized a growing scientific understanding of differing physical responses based on genetics of different populations and familial groups.

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Story of influence of Jeffery Epstein on Western governments keeps growing.

Larry Summers leaving positions at Harvard and OpenAI after Epstein emails Reuters Nov 19, 2025

The former Treasury Secretary under former Democratic President Bill Clinton, Summers is among the highest-level U.S. personalities to pay a price for his relationship to Epstein,
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The documents show that Summers continued to stay in touch with Epstein after his 2008 conviction, asking him at one point for relationship advice. No evidence has surfaced that he was involved in sex trafficking with Epstein.

The Intel Scandal behind Prince Andrew's twisted Epstein exploits The Gray Zone Nov 16, 2025

Based on years of research in BBC archives, interviews, and leaked emails, Lownie’s investigation provides a chilling portrait of a man shielded by royal privilege, addicted to sex from childhood, and ultimately undone by his alliance with the world’s most notorious pedophile. The historian reveals that Epstein not only supplied Andrew with a steady stream of underage girls, but also gathered intelligence from the prince, and dutifully passed it along to Mossad and other spy agencies.

“The Prince was a useful idiot who gave Epstein respectability and access to political leaders and business opportunities,” Lownie explained to The Grayzone.
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Lownie believes full disclosure of Andrew’s involvement with Epstein could permanently sink the House of Windsor. A former Buckingham Palace staffer told him, “they’d never be able to bounce back from it,” as the resultant scandal “would bury them for good.” Lownie’s source cautioned, “if the unconditional truth is ever released, the British public would try to impeach the Royal Family — after all, many of Andrew’s wrongdoings were done on the British taxpayer’s tab.”

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Need to finish with an uplifting story.

Yurok tribal attorney chronicles family’s fight to save the Klamath River and a way of life The Oregonian Nov 15, 2025

As a University of Oregon student focused on politics and the environment, Amy Bowers Cordalis had every right to feel defeated in 2002 when she returned home and saw evidence of the largest salmon kill in the Klamath River.

The lifelong fisherwoman and member of the Yurok Tribe learned the cause was avoidable: A federal order diverted water just as salmon were spawning.

For generations, destructive dams, logging, mining and development had already impacted the ecosystem of the Klamath River, which once had the third largest salmon runs in all of the lower continental United States.

Cordalis, then 22, decided to change course while she was in her boat, surveying the depth of the salmon die off.
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In 1973, her great-uncle Aawok Raymond Mattz forced the landmark Supreme Court case reaffirming the Yurok Tribe’s rights to land, water, fish and sovereignty.

Undammed: Amy Bowers Cordalis and the fight to free the Klamath | Patagonia Films (17.49 min)

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uses Gmail, this might be of interest.

IMPORTANT message for everyone using Gmail.
You have been automatically OPTED IN to allow Gmail to access all your private messages & attachments to train AI models.
You have to manually turn off Smart Features in the Setting menu in TWO locations.

https://x.com/eevblog/status/1991293066175492297

I switched our email provider over to Gmail years ago when my consulting practice died, back when their motto was "don't be evil" (remember those heady days?). I could put a domain-name wrapper around their service to make people think I still ran my own mail server, which had become unmanageable due to the botmakers continually attacking it in attempts to subvert it for their DDOS armies, as well as the spam issue. No longer running the consulting practice meant that I could relax some of the more onerous security measures that I had required while it was active.

I'll be doing this immediately, and then searching for a new provider- or perhaps even screwing my courage to the sticking-place to move my mailserver home and under my sole control again.

Certainly if my consulting practice picks back up, I will not be able to use their ever-so-nonevil services for security reasons in any case, even if they weren't training their AI on all emails.

I can already see that I'll have to have absolutely all emails end-to-end encrypted: this is a whole new area where one's work product (in my case, expert witness work for attorneys in patent cases) requires ever-increasing security, to work around the ever-increasing invasiveness being invested upon us for our "convenience". Not a fan.

Be aware, and be safe out there.

On edit: confirmed, all of our accounts had indeed been opted in without notice. I've fixed them, at least to the extent that I'm willing to believe that turning that dreck off in the settings actually does anything.... Time to get serious about migrating again.

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Twice bitten, permanently shy.

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@usefewersyllables those folks I know who use the service. They can then make their choices.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

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just finished setting-up an email account
in gmail for an advocacy group. Another
monkey wrench! Thanks for the heads-up.

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QMS's picture

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sounds like China has the right idea for
financial health if it works for them. Not so
much here in the U$. Do you remember the
proverbial 'stress test' the feds attempted with
the banking industry? Was a total failure and gave
rise to the concept of *too big to fail*. Meanwhile the
entire economy is teetering on the brink of collapse.
May have something to do with the 36 trillion $ debt?
Crazy.

BTW, a beautiful story on the renovation of the Klamath River.
There is hope for Mother Earth.

Thanks for the OT!

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I visited China more or less 10 yrs ago. That was the time of China-made junk think. I bought a cigarette lighter, and it came apart the first time I used it, and my tour group universally regarded that as a "what did you expect" moment. This was a time when people in entire towns in rural areas were being forcibly removed and relocated to live near factories rimmed with razor wire, ya know, the ones Romney thought were so cool. What I see in videos in China today did not exist 10 years ago.
Whatever the government did that was harsh, even cruel, was very abrupt and over and done quickly. Then, the miracle improvement in people's lives caught fire. Compared to us, we ordinary folks get punished by taxes, interest rates, utility costs, inflation, mostly non-existent health care, and poisonous food products, and it never ends. There are no resulting miracles.
And, yes, the CIA spoke with Baric and Fauci to conduct a plan. The CIA is not a health agency. They are spies, liars, and murderers. They were not discussing if babies would be safe.
When I spent some time in and around London, my travel pal was literally crying about Diana's untimely death. I reminded her that Diana only became princess once she was examined and found to be a virgin. What royal integrity.
I bless Epstein for revealing the Windsors for who and what they are.
The tribal lawyer has all my respect. While I would prefer being burned at the stake rather than curtsy before a royal, to that attorney, I bow to her greatness.
Thanks for the OT, friend.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981

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the covid project was DoD, but CIA is no surprise and very likely a joint venture between Langley and Ft. Detrick and/or other chemo-bio warfare sites like all over ukiestan, etc..

They won't/cannot recognize China's economic triumph. When you look back you see that "the west" cannot allow even the perception of success and beneficial outcomes in any less than "full on" capitalist nation. We have to undermine, destroy or coup them all less the poeons and serfs see that there are workable options tht would work to their benefit.

I've got a telephone interview with a propossed replacement for one of my medicos soon this morning and my 4-weekly infusion this afternoon, so the whole dmn day is shot. May elect to go out for dinner so as not to do any cooking. Meanwhile my postal pile has grown to excessive amounts so I'd better transition to that and check into UFS' article and issues with gmail, since I do have ssome such addresses, both direct and indirect (gmail is the primary mail handler/tosser for one of the entities that handles one of my addressess).

be well and have a good one

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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In the process of setting-up a website for a non-profit
here in town. If there is anyone that could help, it would be
most appreciated. Thanks.

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@QMS
is probably your best bet. It can be inexpensive and relatively easy to use.

WordPress, done right

How to Create a Nonprofit Website: Your Complete Guide

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kittie, George.

It may have been inevitable that George would be hit by a car, as he considered everywhere within one and a half kilometers his living room. He was a free ramblin' man who could and would sleep out in the rain or snow, on top of the septic cover or in any cupboard or library in the house.

He went on walks with us as far as his maison secondaire (holiday house) up the local lane just over a kilometer. He was as at home in the road (hence the problem) or on the terrasse with the flowers and his favorite, Teddy the dog.

In September of 2020, he and his brother, the petit puma, Ira, were left in our ditch on a cold and rainy night. We started them in a kennel in the kitchen to get them oriented and to convince Teddy to recognize two new souls in his pack. Teddy and the kitties got along very well especially George and Teddy.

He was not the kind of a guy we could contain or corral. He would dine on butter sauteed chicken or pasture raised rodent.

Everything on him was a lovely soft grey: fur, whiskers, nose and toes. His eyes were the exception.

So we have one less spirit today and we miss him. He is buried near our Tracey memorial Redbud, Eternal Flame.

Here is a link to a new SmugMug gallery. It will continue to expand as I find photos further back in time.
George
Thank you for letting me share a little slice of life.

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@Dawn's Meta
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sorry for your loss
although the local rodents
sigh a river of relief?

Cheers.

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@Dawn's Meta So sorry about George's passing.
As you absorb your loss, a grey cat has adopted us. He is considering being my friend, although the progress is inches per day. He eats whatever leftovers we have, preferring them to cat food, which is typically eaten by the pesky raccoon that come at night.
I hope that everything else on your homestead is thriving, and that you will always look back at your time with George as wonderful.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981