One Last Question, How many Nukes does Israel Have?
Population of Israel - 8.3 million
Population of Iran - 81 million
Land area of Israel - 8 thousand square miles
Land area of Iran - 636 thousand square miles
Both are self governing independent nations recognized by the United Nations.
Number of Nuclear weapons possessed by Israel - estimated at between 75 and 400
Number of Nuclear weapons possessed by Iran - zero
What's wrong with this picture?
Remember when it was vehemently denied that Israel has nuclear weapons? Remember when that started to change and it went from no way to maybe? Remember when it became, ya, Israel has nuclear weapons? Remember when they stopped talking about Israel having nuclear weapons?
I would have to think that any "thinking" person would say at this point, "wait a minute, what's going on"?
Oh wait, one more thing. How many nukes does the United States of Democracy, Freedom and Brave People have?
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Wow, waaay uninformed or behind the times.
I would have guessed 5. Does the US do yard sales of "retired" ones now? Only to our special buddies?
Nuclear missiles work somewhat well in Sci-Fi disasters with incoming shit. Shoot them mostly at Sol.
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An Add On Question
Who is the most bloodthirsty, militant threat to set off a nuke,
Trump or Netanyahu?
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Flip a coin.
@Big Al Gotta be Bibi, if only
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Susan Rice called it
Can't figure out how to embed twitter posts at the moment, but Susan Rice's reply to AIPAC's tweet which praised Trump's reneging on the Iran nuclear deal was "bullshit". Trump is destroying whatever credibility the US has left in the World.
Beware the bullshit factories.
@Timmethy2.0 Since when is Susan Rice
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
U.S. Nukes
I was gonna guess 2,000. This is what Bing turned up:
http://time.com/4893175/united-states-nuclear-weapons/
Ok! What does "retired" mean? Where do you "stockpile" 4,000 nukes? And 6,800 does not add up unless you only count retired and stockpiled.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
We are not to think about that.
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‘Some folks’ got killed. PBO
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
I was so disgusted and horrified when he said that we
"We tortured some folks" like this was the same as saying "we invited some folks for dinner" or "we tortured some folks, but let's move on. Everyone makes this type of mistake and we shouldn't punish people for their mistakes or ruin their lives over it".
It's difficult to pick just one thing that he did during his tenure, but I'll go with calling him one of the worst presidents ever.
It's a good thing that we celebrated the end of the Bush administration and their actions, huh?
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
What's that about glass houses and stones?
Her has no room to talk about this! We already had a person who had committed numerous sexual assaults in the White House so I would think that this is the one subject Hillary would stay quiet on. This should be embarrassing for her to even say anything about Trump, especially because she knew this about him but hung out with him anyway. And of course none of her supporters see the irony of her saying this. Guess who is clapping their hands together because she called Trump out on this.
Sheesh!!
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Was the $hill talking about Bill or the Don?
too bad the reporter didn't ask...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Hillocrite can't see the plank in her own eye
for the chunks of sawdust in others' eyes.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
@Lookout
Reporter should have said: "Twice was enough to learn from".
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Her response is irrelevant anyway
I just watched her interview on this and the reporter was saying that she knew about the rumors about Harvey and she stayed silent on it. This is neither here nor there. He first started out saying that she was a friend of Harvey and that he had donated money to her campaign and then asked if she was going to return it. She answered yes and the reporter wanted a time frame.............. this went on for a few minutes, but then she deferred the topic to Donald and that he was a known predator but was elected president anyway.
That doesn't matter. Not to the topic of the interview. This was a 'gotcha' interview which this person wanted to pin her silence about him on her. No one knows everything about another person. Were there rumors of his behavior for years? Apparently, but I never heard about it until the story broke, but if he never acted that way in Hillary's presence, then why is it on her or any other person to speak up about his rumored behavior?
The interview was about Harvey, not Donald. But the irony for me is that Bill too was known as a sexual predator, he had paid women settlements for it and he was impeached for lying about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky. And even though those accusations against Bill were made while he was governor of AK, he was still elected president. This is where the glass house and stones come in.
Then there were the attacks on those women by Hillary who called them many names because they dared make the accusations against Bill. It's okay to defend your husband, but not at the expense of other women's character.
I could be wrong on this and if I am, then I look forward to others opinion.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
What jumped to my mind too
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
Good grief! Are they really this blind?
Trolling again and saw this:
Bill Clinton
Lost his law license
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
This looks like a reliable report
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
It gets confusing.
Some counts involve strategic nuclear weapons, those that can be delivered at intercontinental distances, via ICBMs, ballistic missile submarines, and strategic bombers. Others include shorter range nuclear weapons theoretically intended to be used on a battlefield.
I haven't seen a count of total Israeli nuclear weapons as low as 80 in some time.
@Meteor Man
Maybe they don't count the 1800 they're currently pointing at people in with the 6800 because they're planning on using those and they figure that they'll need to replace them anyway?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
6800
6800, slightly less than Russia:
Nuclear Arsenals
But Trump wants to increase it to 68,000.
Edited to change the number from 6000 to 6800. Time for another eye exam.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Because 60K would be so much more effective
Guess he likes blowing up planets
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkjiDJUHPHM]
Beware the bullshit factories.
I imagine people would
kind of tend to lose count, after firing off the first couple dozen or so.
native
Trump can multiiply by 10.
next stop 600,000.
most people can't multiply by ten, too many zeros
are just too confusing, so everyone knows they don't count the zeros. Who cares about zeros anyway? /s
https://www.euronews.com/live
My Hero, Zero
... 0 ... 0 ....0 ....0 ... cute zeros ...
How many zeros had the salary of the person who produced that TV program? And how many kids didn't learn how to handle the zillion zeros thereafter? And how many mamas were happy to park their kids in front of the TV and feeling not guilty about it, because ... they learned something ?
I didn't grow up with those cute children programs on TV to learn something. And I am grumpy.
But I have to admit, that's some classy TV children program productions. I like 'em too. I am just
... feeling like a low zero ... a nothing zero ... a looser zero ...
Sight what a zero-ish day. But you made me smile. Thanks.
https://www.euronews.com/live
place - holder zero
your role in society.
too many zeros to count
that is what your fingers are for.
if trump goes past 10 billion nukes, we might want to have a think.
The lowest best guess I have heard for Israel is 100
Although they may well arm the F35 stealth fighter that we are selling them and they are 'paying' for them with the money we give them every year.
How many countries have they invaded?
Iran -none in 300 years.
Israel- none except for Gaza and all the other countries that told us to invade.
America-will we ever know? This is includes the countless coups with the second one being Iran in 1953?for standard oil and the British royal family.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
They invaded Mesopotania and Thrace and Asyria
and the Hindu Kush and that dastardly attempt on the Greek city states.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Leonidas for Prez!
...
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Yeah Leonidas knows how to deal with them
/s
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Prc1UfuokY]
Beware the bullshit factories.
They invaded Israel
The Zoroastrian Persian Empire kicked the Byzantine Empire out of Israel but twenty-five years later were themselves expelled from Israel by the Umayyad Empire.
This of course was during the 1,900 year long forced exile of the Hebrew Semitic nation from their homeland.
"Please clap." -- Jeb Bush
the real news network coverage
[video:https://youtu.be/vNVSbE93WEU]
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@mimi
I shouldn't have watched this so late in the evening. That wormy-mouthed little twerp has, I hope, made himself (and his parasitic, psychopathic neo-con ilk ruining policy) an international pariah by this appalling final action which will result in no nation wishing to conduct business of any kind with the lying lunatics who've stolen the government from the American people and who are draining them and their country for their personal hostile corporate/military global takeover - which has to fail if anyone is to survive this.
But I suspect that the current potential for any such reaction would not likely have had any chance of being elicited to counter the Clintons or Pence enacting the same thing, as their pathology would likely have been cloaked in a more 'rational-ish' appearance, and perhaps Trump might be the saving of us all, as the entire corrupt government might well be taken down by this by the also-threatened international community, providing a chance for reform. (In the real sense, that of improvement, not deterioration.) I know, I dream... don't want nightmares because of this, though, whether while awake or asleep, for myself, for the Iranians, for anybody and everybody. International law - and human rights - must finally prevail.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Nothing much I can say to this, just that I
believe Europeans in general hope that the Americans themselves get rid of Trump. I don't think that many people are that aware of the fact that Clinton and Obama were as supportive as GWBush to the same foreign policies Trump is now recklessly and openly using to "play his role" as a "leader" and satisfy his ego.
Con artists are many among politicians, some better than the others. Trump is the worst con artist. He really needs to go to con artist school and get a professional degree in it. I don't believe that the general population in Europe gets the danger evolving out of Trumps style of "governing'. They simply don't understand it, shake their heads and hope this guy is stopped. All of it is just my guts' feelings. I have nothing to back it up with.
I get angry when I read the usual news media from Germany. I feel how they are becoming less independent in their thinking. Everything is awash in the same type of hyperactivity and the news articles are almost identical.
I have given up to understand how it has become that way. It just isn't worth anymore to "dig for the truth". The only truth right now I can see is that there is no way to know what is the truth and what is not. Then you can basically stop reading and go home and read books and a couple of newspapers who you still trust have some independent authors.
https://www.euronews.com/live
@mimi
I wonder if it's more likely that German news journalists have become less independent in their thinking or in what they're allowed to print, whether by their owners, advertisers or politicians?
Conformity does not generally come naturally to writers en masse, and such a change is generally imposed, even if the conformist views are later accepted - while some of the more independent minds may quit jobs with such limitations. Censorship is spreading...
Edit: actually near-identical news items are typical of media having talking points handed to them to disseminate, or of their all using the same news service for information. Is there a concentration of news sources owned by a limited number of corporations in Germany?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Hey B A ..... Question: What is solution to global warming?
Nuclear Winter. /s
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Thanks d.o. It points out the
That's why many of us have said the Iran nuclear deal was a smokescreen in the first place, meant to provide a reason for Trump to do exactly what he's doing now. Pull out and escalate, make Iran refuse to budge, try to cripple it's economy, etc. There is evidence from think tanks that was the plan all along.
But Iran has been complying
I think the purpose of the deal is to help get rid of nuclear weapons, something good that Obama said he would do from the very beginning of his Presidency.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiUL4Xl2CCE]
Beware the bullshit factories.
@Timmethy2.0
Well, Obama went round getting other countries to get rid of their nukes, before declaring that the world's wealthiest country, which 'can't afford' health care or a living wage for the public good, had to sink (he said then) a trillion bucks of public money into new nukes rather than addressing any of the long-neglected needs of the country and its impoverished people forming more than half of the population, with the rest rapidly sinking as nearly all gains are now increasingly going to the top fraction of the 1%.
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization
All this is toward planetary military/corporate takeover, while draining even more money from the American public to benefit those profiting from the MIC and the stolen resources of other people's countries; what other possible reasons could there be for this, when there are already enough nukes in existence to destroy life on the planet (I believe it was) 8 times over?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I think there's more than one possible explanation for it
Not just the explanation that always ascribes the worst possible intentions to Obama. I think if you compare the above videos of Trump (Mimi's post) and Obama, there is a stark difference in empathy, intelligence and long range goals.
Beware the bullshit factories.
There is no sane explanation for that many nukes
and no sane explanation for starving and oppressing the people to increase the arsenal.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The intelligence is real.
The World is more dangerous now
Thanks to Trump. Isn't it better to say your long range goal is to rid the World of nuclear weapons than to articulate no long range goal except Iran bad, America first, we will be fantastic, etc? At least putting the goal out there makes it possible, even if the MIC or whatever is opposed to that goal. Trump is extremely short sighted with his pulling us out of everything Obama including the Paris treaty. He is turning us into a pariah. Why is that better than when most of the World liked Obama and there was such a large emphasis on diplomacy?
Beware the bullshit factories.
Your question assumes Obama's sincerety.
(Edit: grammar).
@Timmethy2.0
But Obama only wanted to rid other countries of their nukes - and vastly increase those in the most militaristic and invasive country since Hitler.
The one with the world's by-far-largest military - also being further expanded to cope with occupying everyone else, and not in a good way. Trump's just enacting the next step in a more obvious manner. And voicing threats of extermination likely anyway planned.
This following is an enormous detail-packed article which needs to be read in full at source to comprehend the totality of what's in process and the evident pathology behind it. (All emphasis mine)
From 2012, under Nobel Peace Prize-winning, charming Obama The Statesman:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/pentagon-new-generation-mili...
This has been underway for decades and if not stopped now, fascism will exert total military control over the planet, at least while planetary life survives the abuses of a corporate/military empire powered by pathological greed and run by psychopaths. With an awful lot of nukes.
If such as drones and nuclear missiles are to be used to repress populations and eradicate protest on a global basis, many small bases would be all that's required.
How appropriate that 'Lily Pads' are evidently to be used against a world of already-boiling human frogs.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Well yeah, but it's not like they were ever involved
in trying to sway our elections like Russia...oh wait.
Sway our elections?
You mean like that country that broke into our embassy, kidnapped our diplomats and thereby ensured that Ronald Reagan would defeat Jimmy Carter?
"Please clap." -- Jeb Bush
That's what the "oh wait" meant
When somebody here ends a statement with "oh wait", it usually means "Whoops, they DID that!", or "Whoops, they DIDN'T do that!" (depending on context).
D'oh.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The same Serious People who complain about "fake news" now
were always fine mouthing the fake news of “it is not known if Israel has nukes and if they do, it is not known how they got them.”