Sy Hersh on Joint Chiefs intelligence sharing with Russia to aid Assad
As we struggle with the dissonance of our war policy in Syria, I think this 2016 article by Seymour Hersh is clarifying. He states that in 2013 the Joint Chiefs shared intelligence with Germany and Russia with the direct purpose of assisting Assad's government to destroy extremist opposition and ISIS. Hersh clarifies the CIA arming of jihadists, the DIA efforts to speak truth to power, the role of Russia, and he quotes Michael Flynn and Tulsi Gabbard.
At the link, you must scroll down to the title of Hersh's article to begin reading it. Here are some excerpts:
https://geopolitics.co/2015/12/22/dempseys-pentagon-aided-assad-with-mil...
London Review of Books Vol. 38 No. 1 · 7 January 2016
Military to Military: US intelligence sharing in the Syrian war
Seymour M. HershBarack Obama’s repeated insistence that Bashar al-Assad must leave office – and that there are ‘moderate’ rebel groups in Syria capable of defeating him – has in recent years provoked quiet dissent, and even overt opposition, among some of the most senior officers on the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. Their criticism has focused on what they see as the administration’s fixation on Assad’s primary ally, Vladimir Putin. In their view, Obama is captive to Cold War thinking about Russia and China, and hasn’t adjusted his stance on Syria to the fact both countries share Washington’s anxiety about the spread of terrorism in and beyond Syria; like Washington, they believe that Islamic State must be stopped.
… The military’s resistance dates back to the summer of 2013, when a highly classified assessment, put together by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then led by General Martin Dempsey, forecast that the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria’s takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya. A former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs told me that the document was an ‘all-source’ appraisal, drawing on information from signals, satellite and human intelligence, and took a dim view of the Obama administration’s insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups. By then, the CIA had been conspiring for more than a year with allies in the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to ship guns and goods – to be used for the overthrow of Assad – from Libya, via Turkey, into Syria… The so-called moderates had evaporated and the Free Syrian Army was a rump group stationed at an airbase in Turkey.’ The assessment was bleak: there was no viable ‘moderate’ opposition to Assad, and the US was arming extremists.
… ‘Our policy of arming the opposition to Assad was unsuccessful and actually having a negative impact,’ the former JCS adviser said. ‘The Joint Chiefs believed that Assad should not be replaced by fundamentalists… So in the autumn of 2013 they decided to take steps against the extremists without going through political channels, by providing US intelligence to the militaries of other nations, on the understanding that it would be passed on to the Syrian army and used against the common enemy, Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State.
Germany, Israel and Russia were in contact with the Syrian army, and able to exercise some influence over Assad’s decisions – it was through them that US intelligence would be shared.
… General Dempsey and his colleagues on the Joint Chiefs of Staff kept their dissent out of bureaucratic channels, and survived in office. General Michael Flynn did not. ‘Flynn incurred the wrath of the White House by insisting on telling the truth about Syria,’ said Patrick Lang, a retired army colonel who served for nearly a decade as the chief Middle East civilian intelligence officer for the DIA. ‘He thought truth was the best thing and they shoved him out. He wouldn’t shut up.’ Flynn told me his problems went beyond Syria. ‘I was shaking things up at the DIA – and not just moving deckchairs on the Titanic. It was radical reform. I felt that the civilian leadership did not want to hear the truth. I suffered for it, but I’m OK with that.’ In a recent interview in Der Spiegel, Flynn was blunt about Russia’s entry into the Syrian war: ‘We have to work constructively with Russia. Whether we like it or not, Russia made a decision to be there and to act militarily. They are there, and this has dramatically changed the dynamic. So you can’t say Russia is bad; they have to go home. It’s not going to happen. Get real.’
Few in the US Congress share this view. One exception is Tulsi Gabbard, a Democrat from Hawaii and member of the House Armed Services Committee who, as a major in the Army National Guard, served two tours in the Middle East. In an interview on CNN in October she said: ‘The US and the CIA should stop this illegal and counterproductive war to overthrow the Syrian government of Assad and should stay focused on fighting against … the Islamic extremist groups.’...
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Neocons and their identical twins the neo-liberals share a
single dream and it's hard to figure out whether Obama believes this dangerous bullshit or if, as with most everything else (like letting Wall Street bankers walk), he was simply willing to go along with (and front for anyone) who could feather his nest and make him a very very rich man.
Looking back over his 'illustrious' career IMO he was picked because 1) he was willing to do anything to further himself (see his history with the Pritzker family); and, 2) he was uniquely qualified to play a part that would be irresistible to all us idiot lefties who desperately wanted social chamge and the opposite of the vicious bastids in the bush** administration. But we got played. The first 'black' president was actually a guy who also had a white mother and was raised in his white BANKER grandmother's house. He never had to do without a fucking thing in his life. But he was MARKETED as the guy who was going to help the black community because he could relate to its suffering. He was going to help those dispossessed by Wall Street. He was going to end our wars. He was a progressive wet dream. That was a brilliant, albeit remarkably cynical, marketing campaign and it worked perfectly. But this guy was really chosen by TPTB because like the Clintons the only people he really cared about were the ones who could guarantee him and his a life of luxury after he was done playing his part.
He was the perfect 'ringer' to lead us to disaster for everyone but his patrons and himself.
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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I vote rich.
How the hell did he pay for his Harvard education, and isn't it funny how all politicians retire rich.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Yeah, 'public service' is the new get-rich scheme for those
with the ability to convince the public that they give a fuck about the Great Unwashed.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Americans keep voting and certifying the corruption.
That one civic action results in a complete psychological capitulation to the fake democracy. The more they have voted, the worse it has become.
Who are the bad actors? The manipulators or the manipulated.
I propose that it is the people who vote that are the problem, because their surrender to the status quo of corruption puts tremendous power in the hands of the corruptors.
^^^^ Note: This is a topic that has never been discussed in the United States. Is that because it is unthinkable or because it is forbidden?
Carry a flame and share the light.
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Punahou is About $50K Per Year in Modern Money.
Punahou and Kamehameha have some ridiculous Ivy League placement percentage. Like 95-98%, IIRC.
And Obama looks very local, not at all out of place for Hawaii. Haole kids have it much worse in the Islands than someone who looks like Obama.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Obama
He does not really care about the damage he does by being the front man for the neoiberal con job foisted upon the American people. While I originally did not see him as bloodthirsty as Hillary, he had no compunction about killing people once he started doing it. When he said he was good at killing people, I got a cold chill down my spine.
And yes, neoliberals and neoconservatives are two sides of the very same coin.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Agreed
"Neo-feudalist" covers them both.
A good interview with Sy Hersh
Glenn Greewald posted a link to an interview with Sy Hersh on Twitter this morning.
The link to the Alternet interview is at the bottom of the embed.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Really interesting interview.
Thank you for posting it. This part reinforces the point of Hersh's reporting on our military working with Russia to assist Assad to destroy the jihadist opposition:
So, not only is our military coordinating with the Russians against extremist forces, but Russia knows our CIA may have assets within the leadership of extremist forces. And CIA knows Russia knows.
Hersh has blow the lid off
This excerpt is from the Intercept interview by Jeremy Scahill of Sy Hersh in January of this year.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
It was only out for five days before
…it abruptly transformed from an allegation to a foundational reality. Five days!
Interestingly, there was one profound moment in the rollout of this murderous plot against humanity and the American people, when everyone was caught with their pants down. For a few riveting weeks, it was on the verge of blowing sky high and exposing the lot of them. Due to the oddest circumstances, my attention was tightly focused on that very spot when it happened. It forever changed me.
More important, Sy Hersh saw it and he immersed himself to the point that he was exiled. Everything he has written since was born in that moment. It was the attack on Benghazi. Every single player was completely exposed, even the media. Think back on the agencies, the names, the time, the things that could not be said, the narratives, the 2012 election, the SoS Harpies, the incomprehensible investigations, the elected stooges and tools, the sex, the lies, the videotapes, and the aftermath.
If you were at Daily Kos, you were very nearly suffocated by psyops, polarization, and omission but you can deconstruct it. There is so much to see when you examine what was actually occurring in plain sight. There were things you were not supposed to see. It's so clear and surprising who was in the know at the time. At this point, they have become active collaborators. The current reality starts to make more sense.
It was a salient turning point in US political history and we are still being bombarded by such shrapnel as Hillary's email server and secondary explosions like the DNC hack.
Carry a flame and share the light.
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A secret U.S. “rat line” running Libyan arms through Benghazi?
Including the makings for poison gas? Ultimately destined for Islamist fighters in Syria?
That was indeed a huge thing, very probably the number one thing, that press and public weren’t supposed to notice. Hence the hoopla and cacophony about all sorts of meaningless and irrelevant aspects of the events in Benghazi.
Sy Hersh is a Conspiracy Theorist
Didn't you get the memo?
From the Nation:
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Aaand his credibility just went off the charts
Being branded as a conspiracy theorist by the msm is like getting a on the record confession these days. With notarized documents.
To paraphrase George carlin, I don't believe any thing the government or media tell me.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Snark?
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Yes, snark
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
Yes truth tellers
I think many of us here are truth tellers, like you, Steven D. One of my hopes for this site has been to adhere first to the truth. We may not always know what is the truth in real time, but we continue to search for it.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
"adhere first to the truth" (++)
all we got.
Excellent article by Finian Cunningham
The only thing that allows the US to spend trillions of dollars on its war machine is the fact that the US$ is the world's reserve currency. Up to now, the US can simply print whatever money it requires on its massive military to ensure it remains the world hegemon. These days are coming to an end.
The questions is, will be with a whimper or with a bang.