The U.S. Led Illegal War in Syria, What's It All About Alfie?

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Is it about oil? Is it about gas? Is it about pipelines? Is it about a central bank? Is it about power? Is it about greed? Is it about regime change? Is it about country balkanization? Is it about Iran? Is it about Russia? Is it about Israel?

Yes.

Is it about fighting terrorism?

No.

Remember the Clinton emails released by Wikileaks in 2015? One of them clearly stated that at least one of the primary reasons, if not the primary reason, was to take down the Assad government for Israel. Another war for Israel. It shouldn't come as a surprise to those in the know when you recall Wes Clark's revelation of the neocon/Zionist war plan passed around right after 9/11 that called for "taking out" seven countries in five years. Those countries were Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and ("finishing up with" as Clark said) Iran. That's what they're doing. This email clearly shows they wanted Syria taken down to better get to Iran.

NEW IRAN AND SYRIA 2.DOC

From: To: Date: 2001-01-01 03:00 Subject: NEW IRAN AND SYRIA 2.DOC (NOTE: that date was evidently a typo, the actual date has been confirmed as Dec. 31, 2012.)

UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794498 Date: 11/30/2015

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADMAFf

"The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad."

Negotiations to limit Iran's nuclear program will not solve Israel's security dilemma. Nor will they stop Iran from improving the crucial part of any nuclear weapons program — the capability to enrich uranium. At best, the talks between the world's major powers and Iran that began in Istanbul this April and will continue in Baghdad in May will enable Israel to postpone by a few months a decision whether to launch an attack on Iran that could provoke a major Mideast war.

Iran's nuclear program and Syria's civil war may seem unconnected, but they are. For Israeli leaders, the real threat from a nuclear-armed Iran is not the prospect of an insane Iranian leader launching an unprovoked Iranian nuclear attack on Israel that would lead to the annihilation of both countries. What Israeli military leaders really worry about -- but cannot talk about -- is losing their nuclear monopoly. An Iranian nuclear weapons capability would not only end that nuclear monopoly but could also prompt other adversaries, like Saudi Arabia and Egypt, to go nuclear as well. The result would be a precarious nuclear balance in which Israel could not respond to provocations with conventional military strikes on Syria and Lebanon, as it can today. If Iran were to reach the threshold of a nuclear weapons state, Tehran would find it much easier to call on its allies in Syria and Hezbollah to strike Israel, knowing that its nuclear weapons would serve as a deterrent to Israel responding against Iran itself.

Back to Syria. It is the strategic relationship between Iran and the regime of Bashar Assad in Syria that makes it possible for Iran to undermine Israel's security — not through a direct attack, which in the thirty years of hostility between Iran and Israel has never occurred, but through its proxies in Lebanon, like Hezbollah, that are sustained, armed and trained by Iran via Syria. The end of the Assad regime would end this dangerous alliance. Israel's leadership understands well why defeating Assad is now in its interests. Speaking on CNN's Amanpour show last week, Defense Minister Ehud Barak argued that "the toppling down of Assad will be a major blow to the radical axis, major blow to Iran.... It's the only kind of outpost of the Iranian influence in the Arab world...and it will weaken dramatically both Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza." Bringing down Assad would not only be a massive boon to Israel's security, it would also ease Israel's understandable fear of losing its nuclear monopoly.

Then, Israel and the United States might be able to develop a common view of when the Iranian program is so dangerous that military action could be warranted.

Right now, it is the combination of Iran's strategic alliance with Syria and the steady progress in Iran's nuclear enrichment program that has led Israeli leaders to contemplate a surprise attack — if necessary over the objections of Washington. With Assad gone, and Iran no longer able to threaten Israel through its, proxies, it is possible that the United States and Israel can agree on red lines for when Iran's program has crossed an unacceptable threshold. In short, the White House can ease the tension that has developed with Israel over Iran by doing the right thing in Syria.

The rebellion in Syria has now lasted more than a year. The opposition is not going away, nor is the regime going to accept a diplomatic solution from the outside. With his life and his family at risk, only the threat or use of force will change the Syrian dictator Bashar Assad's mind.

UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05794498 Date: 11/30/2015

The Obama administration has been understandably wary of engaging in an air operation in Syria like the one conducted in Libya for three main reasons.

Unlike the Libyan opposition forces, the Syrian rebels are not unified and do not hold territory. The Arab League has not called for outside military intervention as it did in Libya. And the Russians are opposed.

Libya was an easier case. But other than the laudable purpose of saving Libyan civilians from likely attacks by Qaddafi's regime, the Libyan operation had no long-lasting consequences for the region. Syria is harder. But success in Syria would be a transformative event for the Middle East. Not only would another ruthless dictator succumb to mass opposition on the streets, but the region would be changed for the better as Iran would no longer have a foothold in the Middle East from which to threaten Israel and undermine stability in the region.

Unlike in Libya, a successful intervention in Syria would require substantial diplomatic and military leadership from the United States. Washington should start by expressing its willingness to work with regional allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar to organize, train and arm Syrian rebel forces. The announcement of such a decision would, by itself, likely cause substantial defections from the Syrian military. Then, using territory in Turkey and possibly Jordan, U.S. diplomats and Pentagon officials can start strengthening the opposition. It will take time. But the rebellion is going to go on for a long time, with or without U.S. involvement.

The second step is to develop international support for a coalition air operation. Russia will never support such a mission, so there is no point operating through the UN Security Council. Some argue that U.S. involvement risks a wider war with Russia. But the Kosovo example shows otherwise. In that case, Russia had genuine ethnic and political ties to the Serbs, which don't exist between Russia and Syria, and even then Russia did little more than complain. Russian officials have already acknowledged they won't stand in the way if intervention comes.

Arming the Syrian rebels and using western air power to ground Syrian helicopters and airplanes is a low-cost high payoff approach. As long as Washington's political leaders stay firm that no U.S. ground troops will be deployed, as they did in both Kosovo and Libya, the costs to the United States will be limited.

For Israel, the rationale for a bolt from Victory may not come quickly or easily, but it will come. And the payoff will be substantial. Iran would be strategically isolated, unable to exert its influence in the Middle East. The resulting regime in Syria will see the United States as a friend, not an enemy. Washington would gain substantial recognition as fighting for the people in the Arab world, not the corrupt regimes.

An out of the blue attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would be eased. And a new Syrian regime might well be open to early action on the frozen peace talks with Israel. Hezbollah in Lebanon would be cut off from its Iranian sponsor since Syria would no longer be a transit point for Iranian training, assistance and missiles. All these strategic benefits and the prospect of saving thousands of civilians from murder at the hands of the Assad regime (10,000 have already been killed in this first year of civil war).

With the veil of fear lifted from the Syrian people, they seem determine to fight for their freedom. America can and should help them — and by doing so help Israel and help reduce the risk of a wider war."

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Documentation?!? We don't need no stinking Documentation!!!
I'm joking, but really, what's the point? You got no power to change this shit.
I got no power to change this shit.
And we can't get Enough of us together to Take the power to change this shit.
I'm starting to understand the monks in Vietnam. And THAT sucks.

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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@Tall Bald and Ugly I don't know. We're getting closer aren't we? Please tell me we're getting closer man because if not, I agree, let's go to Vietnam.

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@Big Al
I was talking about the Flaming monks trying to stop the destruction.
There will be no safe place.

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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@Tall Bald and Ugly I'm not ready to go that far.

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@Big Al Brother. But I can understand their feeling of powerlessness to affect change in any other meaningful way. As for the comment, I was trying for subtlety and achieved it, apparently.
Not usually my strong suit, subtlety. As you can tell from my sigline addition.

Stop These Fucking Wars

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
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..... lies in getting off of fossil fuels and converting to alternatives such as carbon-recycling biomass for applications where fuel burning cannot be completely dispensed with.

So what's it all about?

Algae.

[ducking]

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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@thanatokephaloides WE should be good to go.

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@thanatokephaloides
I don't think. No wars over the sun, the wind, the tides or hydrogen either. They're too ubiquitous. No greedy assholes can stake "claims" to and have a monopoly over them. Why should people who are on Earth for only a fraction of a geological second have any kind of monopolistic claim to 200 million year old dinosaur remains. They had absolutely nothing to do with those dinosaurs and yet they somehow possess the right to hold the planet hostage for their own profit. The indigenous people of this Country had it right, you can't have sole "ownership" of mother Earth. It belongs to the Universe.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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@Timmethy2.0
If you get caught with their algae in your fish pond you will get sued.

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@CB

It seems like algae can spread fast. It might be hard to control Monsanto's genetically modified, patented, algae monoculture. Maybe even too hard, even if it had to be controlled.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

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Iran and China Are Strengthening Their Military Ties
November 22, 2016

Last week, Chinese defense minister Chang Wanquan concluded a three-day trip to Tehran, the latest in a series of high-ranking bilateral military exchanges over the past two years. Previously, during a January visit by President Xi Jinping, the two countries signed a twenty-five-year strategic cooperation agreement that included a call for much closer defense and intelligence ties. The June appointment of Maj. Gen. Mohammad Hossein Bagheri as Iran's Armed Forces General Staff chairman is expected to expedite that process.

Iran, China begin naval drill in Strait of Hormuz
Sun Jun 18, 2017

The Iranian and Chinese Navies have launched a joint exercise in an area stretching from the strategic Strait of Hormuz to the Sea of Oman in the Persian Gulf.

“Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory is won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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who can understand this?

Fake quake: Report of major California temblor a false alarm

The only tremors from a reported major earthquake off the California coast came on the internet.

Seismologists said Wednesday's automatically generated report of a magnitude 6.8 quake in the Pacific Ocean 10 miles west of Santa Barbara was a false alarm based on a quake that happened in the same area nearly a century ago.
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It turns out that researchers from the California Institute of Technology had been using new information to relocate the epicenter of a 1925 earthquake in the Santa Barbara Channel, which leveled several buildings and killed 13 people.

Somehow this process set off the automated alert that went out to email accounts.

The fake quake never appeared on the USGS website.

I wonder when the first fake nuclear war explosion will set off an automated alert that will go out to all email accounts. We wouldn't even be able to get "vox populi" quotes of people who felt the tremor...

Sorry, OT, but just as awful as anything you talk about.

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soon going to be a colonial property of Saudi Arabia anyway thanks to Trump and The Blackstone Group.

A little over a year ago, the private equity titan Stephen A. Schwarzman sat down with Mohammed bin Salman, the deputy crown prince of Saudi Arabia and chairman of the kingdom’s largest sovereign wealth fund, in hopes of expanding their relationship.

Mr. Schwarzman’s company, the Blackstone Group, already counted Prince bin Salman’s Public Investment Fund as a major client. But the American financier now had a bold new idea: Court Saudi money to invest in projects like tunnels, bridges, airports and other sorely needed infrastructure improvements, predominantly in the United States.

It was a prescient notion. Thirteen months and one election upset later, Mr. Schwarzman, who leads an elite committee of business executives advising President Trump, has announced a $20 billion cornerstone investment by the Saudi entity in a soon-to-be-created Blackstone infrastructure fund.

That investment vehicle, which Blackstone plans to double in size, represents a new focus for the firm. More important, the fund — announced during Mr. Trump’s visit to Riyadh, the Saudi capital, and a summit meeting of global chief executives that Mr. Schwarzman attended — dovetails with a $1 trillion infrastructure initiative the Trump administration has promised, to be fueled by government partnerships with the private sector.

“No one else is in all the categories of infrastructure, in all the regions of the world and all the different classes of infrastructure,” Hamilton E. James, Blackstone’s president, said in an interview after the deal was announced on Saturday. “So I think we have an opportunity to establish overnight a leadership position.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/business/deal...

We will be dispossessed by our Arab overlords shortly so WTF does it all matter anyway???

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not wanting any "poor" people on his staff?

What's the use? Revenge. Personally, I don't want to let these fuckers get away with this shit. I don't want to give up on that.

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for America's warmongers to get their asses kicked. I wouldn't be too fussy about who does the kicking.

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native

@native
bring these people to justice, they will simply destroy life on earth in their rampage of greed. It's for their own good that we stop them and hold them accountable.

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@native

Maybe the people of the world could all club together and hire mercenaries? At a living wage, of course...

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Ellen North

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The paper explained a lot to me about charges that the Obama administration was implicitly supporting ISIS. Basically, ISIS was the only Sunni army in the field able to oppose Iran/Syria/Hezbollah. The trio which Israeli hawks and neocons have identified as the greatest threat to Israel. In many ways this was Obama's continuation of what Sy Hersh explained was a policy shift at the end of the Bush administration to fund and support Sunni attacks on Shia affiliated groups.

The call for regime change had nothing to do with Assad, but as a way to break up the Shia Crescent.

The frightening part is that the paper says the Russians are essentially paper tigers, and would not oppose direct attacks on the Assad regime due to Kosovo. Thing is, Putin was not leading Russia at the time.

With the imminent defeat of ISIS in Syria, looks like the neocons plan to directly attack the Assad regime. I wonder if the Kurds realize that is the plan for them?

I expect more attacks by US on Assad.

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@CB It's amazing how out in the open this is and yet most have no clue. I think even at this site there are many that don't have a grip on what's been going on in Syria. This dude spells it out in his first few sentences. It is that simple.
It's infuriating and both political parties support it and anyone supporting those political parties therefore support it also.
Aarrgh.

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@CB
Just wow, and thanks for posting this refreshing and hopeful phenomenon. Ethical politics. What would that be like?

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@CB

Thanks so much for posting this video! The sheer sanity and decency of this - think I'll likely listen to this a few times on repeat, with the same smile and the same feeling of barely-contained crying-happy at the evidence of understanding spreading among people and the thought of the people of these various invaded countries finally (perhaps) hearing such truth, and in such accurate terms.

This is the voice of humanity and civilization which must be heard and enacted over that of the psychopaths who must be immediately removed from and forever afterward kept out of politics and policy everywhere, if we - and life on the planet - are to survive. Life and humanity in both senses must win over the destructive evil many of us have failed to recognize as inimical until now, and it must do so while there is still anything remaining - including the very concept of basic human decency and of responsible societies supporting their own and each other as essential survival capabilities - to preserve and attempt to nurse back into life-supporting health.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@CB
and how much influence does he have in German politics? I tried Googling his name, and everything written about him seems to be available only in German, which I do not understand well. What he is saying here makes a hell of a lot of sense, but are any other Germans saying similar things? What exactly is this "German Center" to which he refers?

Perhaps you or mimi might be able to help me understand the context of this video.

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It brought us that Horstel apology video.
The Syrian refugees I spent maybe 45 minutes observing in Greece just killed my soul.

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"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981