Dems are losing by every metric SINCE the election

A lot of attention has been given to the grassroots vs. establishment political battle in California this weekend, but an event that is more representative of the current state of the Democratic Party happened this week in Broward County, Florida.

Last night, the party's new second-in-command, Sally Boynton Brown, spoke in front of the Democratic Progressive Caucus of Broward County. And throughout the exchange, she steadfastly refused to commit to changing the party's economic or health-care messaging in any concrete way.
"This is not going to be popular, but this is my belief of the time and place we're in now: I believe that we're in a place where it's very hard to get voters excited about 'issues,' the type of voters that are not voting," Brown said...
How important is it for candidates to concentrate on "issues" like health care or economic equality, one audience member asked. Her answer? Not very. She said candidates moving forward should focus on "identity messages" instead, which she didn't actually define.
Later in the meeting, she then said that people who are struggling to make ends meet — and often decline to vote because they say it doesn't matter — do not vote based on "issues" they care about and instead vote because they are "emotional beings."

It's one thing to show contempt for Republican voters. It's another thing to show contempt for your own party base.
But telling your party's voters that they are emotional children who are too stupid to understand the issues right to their faces is taking elitism to a whole 'nuther level.
Is it any wonder why the Florida Democratic Party is so pathetic and useless?

Just in the past month polls have shown that 2/3rd of Americans believe the Democratic Party is out-of-touch.
Even the Dems own internal polls show that voters think Democrats’ economic policies will favor the wealthy.
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While Brown was belittling the concerns of Florida progressives, purple state voters in seven cities in Iowa were protesting for Medicare-for-all. This mass protest was done outside of the Democratic Party, which has decided to fight for Obamacare even while it implodes rather than fight for a health care solution.

Is it any wonder why Democratic voters are walking away from the party since the election?
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Those former Democratic voters are increasingly identifying as independents, who in turn are increasingly viewing the Democratic Party negatively.

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Whatever the Dems have done since the catastrophic election, whether it is the McResistance, or the doubling-down on identity politics, while ignoring the issues of the struggling working class and white men in particular, it's making a bad political situation even worse.
At this rate the Dems will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2018 yet again.

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Pricknick's picture

They're getting one republican for every three democrats they lose.
It's a sure fire way to win I tell you.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

@Pricknick
The Dems will be a permanent majority in no time at all.

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When she was running for DNC chair, Sally Boynton Brown said her job was to train people on--and I quote--"how to shut their mouths if they are white."

Although I notice that Ms. Boynton, who is white, hasn't volunteered to shut her own mouth, or refused donations from wealthy white liberals (money being speech, after all.) It's just those other white people she thinks should shut their mouths. You know, the ones who aren't writing her checks.

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"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." --Noam Chomsky

@movie buff
Bless her heart.
She must have went to school to learn how to make people like her.

/s

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@movie buff  
Things like this only give credence to the Alt-Right’s claim that an anti-white ideology has taken over and that soon any white person who doesn’t join them and fight will be forced to knuckle under.

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@movie buff

Then the look on the white guys face -- "Wait. What did she just say?". hahahhaha

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

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@movie buff Bingo!

If you support Hillary you get a "Good White Person" pass.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@movie buff
reason kos has decided the only good white voter is a dead white voter. "The party is moving browner, and we must find ways to make brown people feel welcomed under the big Dem tent. You white people just need to keep your mouths shut. You're just in the way."

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is a fully paid-up member of McKos of the McResistance?

She certainly sounds like it.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

PriceRip's picture

          leftist plans to raise all kinds of hell in Jackson County, Oregon if that group of Democrats is as stupid as those in Broward County, Florida.

          I just might need to kick ass and take names.

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@PriceRip Sharpen the toes of your steel-toed boots before engaging them.

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the emotion of disgust over Dems avoidance of dealing with the issues is killing their party's chances of winning.
When a Dem leader gets their qualifying lobotomy, do they have to pay for it, or does the DNC?

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Orwell: Where's the omelette?

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@jim p
made up of bog standard ranch homes in a bog standard first ring suburb .

I can guarantee for Ms. Boynton Brown that jobs, income and healthcare are very much the issues of the day.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”

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@MrJayTee I completely agree. Thank you, MrJayTee! You get it.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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@MrJayTee

Destroy. This. Party.

[video:https://youtu.be/-NzFJxX8yoY width:500 height:350]

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides Like that!

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“If there is no justice for the people, may there be no peace for the government.”

in the past, dems have attempted to win a certain bloc of voters by promising to do things that will improve the lives of those voters.

however, when elected democrats have generally failed to address the problems those voters face: unaffordable education and healthcare, disappearing jobs, etc.

the same voters have noticed this reality, and have concluded that it doesn't actually matter whether they vote, because even when the person they vote for wins, the voters find themselves shafted.

therefore, rather than addressing the voters' concerns, the democratic party should stop even pretending to have respect or interest for the voters' material interests, and should instead just use emotion-based propaganda to turn out their illusory "base".

have i got that right?

i mean ... wouldn't it be easier to just, you know -- address the voters concerns and problems when you have power? wouldn't they probably vote for you again, if you were to do that?

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd Question:

wouldn't it be easier to just, you know -- address the voters concerns and problems when you have power? wouldn't they probably vote for you again, if you were to do that?

Addressing voter concerns does not equal acting on them.

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@Alligator Ed
delivered with a patronising demeanor and a semi-smirk on his face. That's another big reason the Clinton Creature lost. People got real sick and tired of being lied to by the guy and finally realised that lying to us plebs by our elected 'representatives' is no longer considered wrong or dishonest nowadays, it's to be expected. (Google read the latest on the DNC lawsuit for proof of that claim.)

Clinton lost to Donald Trump. THAT in and of itself should tell the Dims something. Instead they decide to lie (or refuse to face the truth?) and cook up some ridiculous tale about Russians and 'treason'. Because it could never be that people hated the woman after over 30 years of bullshit and baggage. Oh Hell no,

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Alligator Ed don't want these dems to focus on voter concerns, anyway. They do not care about voters.

We need to get rid of these dems.

We need to form a 3rd party.

I'm still left wondering why so many people on this site still support 'reforming' the dem party.

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dfarrah

@UntimelyRippd To their thinking the only thing that matters is to keep the money rolling in so they can use it to bamboozle the electorate. What the Dems say during the campaign is just marketing hype as far as they're concerned. They truly believe that and so do the GOP politicians.

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@MinuteMan to bamboozle the electorate. It's the major portion of their pension plan.

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@UntimelyRippd
Around 1995, I asked a Democratic state representative why Democrats don't deal with the problems of employees who are being cheated by their employers, as well as related issues. He gave me a dismissive response (I remember this clearly): Dems would, "Win every time!" It was just like the response children get when they ask their parents (as all children do ask), "Why don't we get rich if it's so fucking important?"

I still don't understand that simpering response. The best and most successful political idea ever conceived in this country was the New Deal, which focused on the eternal battle between employers and employees. Modern liberals seem to think they are too sophisticated to do something as crude as helping the cheated with the most basic necessity of living in a moneyocracy -- i.e., money.

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i mean ... wouldn't it be easier to just, you know -- address the voters concerns and problems when you have power? wouldn't they probably vote for you again, if you were to do that?

Doing good stuff wins votes for doing more good stuff wins votes for doing more good stuff........

Apparently, donor money is preferable and easier, the country be damned.

(Edit: supposed to be a reply to UntimelyRippd)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

why Dems lose Florida.

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@TomP One more level of disgusting hypocrisy:

The Democratic party was NOWHERE when Black people in Florida actually needed them. NOWHERE repeatedly. NOWHERE in 2000, when Black voters were shafted at the polls. NOWHERE in 2004, when it happened again. NOWHERE when Trayvon Martin was killed.

Yet somehow they are Black people's best friends.

Yeah, right.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
I know I got buried in HR's when I pointed out that the AA community was worse off after 8 years of Obama.

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@gjohnsit

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@gjohnsit both voters of color and white voters with her pandering and dismissive speeches. The Democrats deserve to lose if what she is saying (which is exactly what Markos said) is truly the national strategy. "Policy does not matter." I tend to think it is. The Democratic party has become Seinfeld. It is the party of nothing.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@gulfgal98 they way they (kos-co and the rest) are working so hard to foment the division.

They are working very, very hard, not just cooperating a bit here and there or ignoring the Bernie side completely. The repubs running the dem party have clearly decided on all-out-war against any deviating person or idea.

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dfarrah

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

The Democratic party was NOWHERE when Black people in Florida actually needed them. NOWHERE repeatedly. NOWHERE in 2000, when Black voters were shafted at the polls. NOWHERE in 2004, when it happened again. NOWHERE when Trayvon Martin was killed.

Yet somehow they are Black people's best friends.

Yeah, right.

And yet, when Massa Clinton called them out to sabotage and then vote against Bernie in 2016, Southern Black voters did exactly as they were told (vote Clinton).

NO ONE has ever been able to explain that to me. And I can't understand it at all.

Black Lives Matter didn't disrupt Hillary Clinton's campaign events. They did disrupt Bernie's, despite Bernie having spent decades helping Black people in many ways while the Clintons repeatedly hurt them. And then, when the Southern Dem primaries came about, the "Black firewall" dutifully turned out to vote for Hillary Clinton.

This is before we even start to delve into the whole "all support for the working class is really racism" bullshit....

grrrrr....

Diablo

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides

And I think blacks didn't vote for Bernie because he was a Jew.

I've heard the explanation that he was white, but when the Hell did Clinton become black?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

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@The Voice In the Wilderness When the hell did Clinton become Black is a question I asked repeatedly. Got no answer, except accusations of racism against me.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@thanatokephaloides @thanatokephaloides They didn't disrupt her events at first.
One of the things which has made it difficult to interpret current events is that there's now a difference, a sharp one, between the leadership of institutions and the membership, which is such a sharp divide that now you actually have to distinguish (for instance) between the Bernie Sanders campaign (official, employs Jeff Weaver, etc.) and the Bernie Sanders campaign (grassroots), which was largely independent, volunteer, and not exactly under the official entity's control.

In the same way, I think you have to distinguish between Black Lives Matter (original and official) which didn't seem interested in politicians much at all, but was more involved in putting their bodies in the way of traffic to alert the general public to the daily murder that was going on, and other direct action tactics like that, Black Lives Matter (later incarnation, official) which was deeply interested in the Presidential race, and, I heard, actually did get funds from Soros, and Black Lives Matter (grassroots) which interrupted Hillary's speech in Atlanta with song. While John Lewis ran back and forth shushing them, an image I will probably carry to the grave (ugh).

Grassroots organizations can be founded and then easily co-opted; similarly, non-grassroots organizations, that are tools of the establishment from the get-go, can attract sincere and honest ordinary folks who believe in the stated aim of the organization. That's why analyzing things is so difficult--even talking about things is difficult!

The level of corruption is such that I think we need to rethink the way we analyze things, because the intense and endemic levels of corruption are distorting everything, and none of the relationships are what we assumed them to be.

For instance, I suspect what happened to BLM was the same thing (ironically) that happened to the Tea Party: there was real anger and distress that sought organization and action; there was also a powerful co-opting force that wanted to make use of that anger and distress without assuaging it. There's the leaders, the buyers/donors, and the rank-and-file.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Black Lives Matter (grassroots) which interrupted Hillary's speech in Atlanta with song.

I was unaware of this. All the disruptions I knew of were to Bernie's campaign.

Thank you for informing me of this!

Smile

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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@thanatokephaloides Sure thing!

I don't want to swamp your original point, though; it IS true that the second iteration of BLM seemed to be more for the purposes of torpedoing Bernie's (and, less importantly, Martin O'Malley's) campaigns on behalf of Hillary than anything else.

In the case of O'Malley, who was responsible for the Baltimore Police for a good many years, they had a real gripe. In the case of Bernie?

Whatever bad policies Bernie might have supported over the years, I don't know of any time that he's supported racism, and, in fact, he's sometimes been the lone white guy who shows up when things go wrong.

So yeah, what they did to Bernie was pretty horrendous, actually, and you're right, we couldn't really get a straight story as to where this (pretty crazy) loyalty to the Clintons was coming from. Especially after what she did to Barack Obama when she was campaigning against him.

I couldn't even disagree with Obama on his drone policy, or even his Social Security policy, without people calling me racist; but Hillary could say that "hard-working people, white people, won't vote for Barack Obama," circulate pictures of him in traditional Kenyan dress, and come up with the 3 a.m. phone call ad. Then there were the repeated comments about the Kennedy assassination. That should have been enough to end Black people's support for her forever, you would have thought, given the implications of throwing around suppositions of assassination about a Black man running for President, but no.

She's the only white politician I know who's ever successfully flip-flopped on the race war, in under a decade, and been embraced and defended by Black people while doing it.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@artisan J: What's your approach to voters?
S: Strong messaging
J: What's the message?
S: We need message discipline
J: What's the message?
S: We need to have conversations with the voters
J: What's the message?
S: We need to tell them we want to help
J: What's the message?
S: We need to have dialogue with various factions
J: What's the message?
S: I'm not a policy person
J: What would be your message anyway?
S: I concentrate on administering the message
J: Have you tried communicating with the 50% who didn't vote?
S: Hummina, hummina, hummina, er...no
J: If you did communicate with the 50% non-voters, what would you tell them?
S: I would tell them about our values
J: What's the message?

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@Alligator Ed

I have a meme for that.

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@Alligator Ed What's the Message, Mr. Gardiner?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Alligator Ed
degree down, and damn little else. "Infrastructure" might be a nice college buzzword, but the DNC just isn't interested in Leftys, Libruls and dirty hippies. They're happier seeing us staying home than coming out to vote.

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@artisan In the Dore interview and in the Florida meeting, she avoids saying who decides the message. Which caused confusion among the masses as to her role. But at times she implies she helps craft the actual contents of the message. And diverts by saying her talent is in presenting the message.

I remember once somebody writing that they volunteered with Dems and saw that the workers really had no say in the party. Even at the local level, the biggest donors had the most influence.

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@MrWebster
party's inner circle becuz of that, and when it became clear they were more interested in the cocktail parties than electing Democrats.

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@Wink Oh dear gods. I know *exactly* what you mean! Were you in FL too?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@artisan

are trying to "unify" a Democratic Party that is in many ways, structurally and financially beholden to the interests of the one percent -- albeit perhaps the more socially liberal elements of it. Hillary Clinton's campaign provided ample and unappologetic evidence of this linkage. The interests of big pharma, Wall Street, corporate globalists and the like, clearly do not often coincide with the interests of a potentially re-invigorated Democratic base. I think that's the main problem the Party's organizers are facing, but seem unwilling to recognize.

If Bernie Sanders' vision of the Party is fundamentally incompatible with say, Clinton's and Schumer's and Pelosi's vision, then trying to cobble the two contradictory messages together into a single narrative is going to be difficult, or impossible. At the moment, the only cohesive narrative the Dems have, is a negative one -- the fact that nearly everyone to the left of Hitler is opposed to Trump. How effective this negative factor will be in terms of getting Dems elected, remains to be seen.

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@native
zero value, will not win a single vote in 2018 or 2020. Something the Pelosi corporate party seems to miss. "All we need to do is point at Trump and we win back the House, I get my gavel back!" Good luck with that.

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@Wink just how much they are despised by increasing numbers of people. I'd vote for a goat before I'd vote for a DNC type candidate.

No Nancy, you're not getting your gavel back.

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That Brown person is tied in with DWS. What exactly is identity politics? Something stupid like a cult of personality? The Floridumb DP has been a disaster for decades. Sad but very true. How do you think actual indicted crooks like Scott get elected and reelected? I keep hoping that citizens like me will make a difference. I'm a natural optimist, but I have my doubts now. Rec'd!!

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Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

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@orlbucfan The Florida Democratic party has been either corrupt or a joke for decades. They still do not care about what the voters want or need. This latest iteration is not only a joke but is also very arrogant toward people of color and toward poor people. They really do NOT care.

This is exactly why I have come to despise the Democratic party. They are hypocrisy in action.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@gulfgal98 But she doesn't even hear herself, does she? How can voters be expected to listen to her when it surely appears she can't even do that herself. So black people and women ONLY vote based on emotion? Why I guess that's the Dem version of the dog whistle.

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@gulfgal98 If you're a Floridian, pretty hard not to despise the Democratic party.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal we are getting Gwen Graham 2.0 running for governor. Ugh! She was my rep. One term and then declined to run when redistricted. Many of those who originally supported her would never vote for her again.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

@orlbucfan is anothers single issue, special interest voter

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That's why the Democratic Party currently doesn't give a flying fuck about the issues. If FDR and Harry Truman were alive today I doubt they'd survive a primary.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.

@The Aspie Corner
They're fucking retards !!! Just ask Rahm.

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

of the Democratic Party than 3rd party voters? Wonder what that means.

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On to Biden since 1973

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@doh1304
ex-Dims who finally got wise?

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Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

@Amanda Matthews
but what does that mean for a new party? Does that mean that reforming the Dems would have a better chance of success than we think or that reforming the Dems is demonstrably hopeless? Does that mean that recruiting independents requires a different strategy from 3rd party voters?

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@doh1304
the Dims admitting that the Clinton Creature didn't lose because RUSSIA!!!! but because she's a horrible person and an equally horrible candidate. Oh, and great as us 'far left' haters getting any say in how the "party' is run. We saw how they feel about us last time around.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Sally Boynton Brown was the Executive Director of the Idaho democratic party before this gig. Just to confirm, the Idaho gop controls the governors mansion, state House and Senate, and all Congressional seats Senate and House. Good job Sally Boynton Brown.

I don't think that Brown is about having no message as she clearly criticized Clinton for poor messaging during the campaign.

http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/sally-boynton-brown-democratic-national-co...

Brown said that the Democrats did not have a strong message about who they are, and instead they built their campaign largely around attacking their opponent.

Brown is typical anti-progressive Clinton establishment--I think her point about issues is that the party should not have as its message progressive policies. Basically she attacks and marginalizes messages over economics by claiming poor people don't care about wages, jobs, schools, food security, etc. (Black people don't care about low wages according to identity politics).

She goes after Sanders in a rather bizarre way. A few people jacked over Bernie's policies created the energy and excitement which drew in the mass of supporters. It was not policy, but those early supporters who created the excitement, and it was only the excitement which drew people in. Sorta like the Gloria Steinem smear of young female Bernie supporters who just wanted to get laid so they went to where the young men were at. The young women did not care about issues and policies just like poor people. Also, I think by poor people she may really be meaning white poor people--just a symptom of being a deplorable.

Yah, give your money, your votes, and then fuck off.

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Right, @MrWebster
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uAyovudcJQ]

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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"The issues don't matter." Well, there it is, isn't it?

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This shit is bananas.

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Heard her in Dec & was unimpressed.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

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@MsGrin inspiring interview. For your convenience (and anybody else), I have obtained a transcript of her Jimmy Dore show appearance:

https://caucus99percent.com/comment/266545#comment-266545

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Florida Democratic Party President: Poor people don’t care about “issues” and vote based on “emotions”

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I’d never count on principle when it comes to fundraising from the FDP, so the FPL comment while disturbing isn’t surprising. After all this past session, Speaker Richard Corcoran was needed to kill an FPL driven measure to charge Floridians for fracking out of state – the proposal had the backing of several leaders in Senate Democratic Caucus. The new party President (essentially the Executive Director) seems to have already been brought up to speed about the importance FPL alignment for many Democrats in the legislature as well as 2016 US Senate nominee Patrick Murphy.

But the continued maligning of poor voters (presumably poor white voters) as “emotional beings,” and that do not vote based on “issues,” is more of the same condescending and elitist talk from the Democrats. When I was growing up you could count on Republicans to say such insulting and patronizing things, while the Democrats would be the ones to stand tall for working people But not anymore.

The Democrats elitism and obsession with identity could kill the party’s chances for revival

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Florida Democratic Party President Sally Boynton Brown’s now infamous remarks on Thursday in Broward County that were first reported by the Miami New Times continued a pattern of Democratic leaders demonstrating contempt, elitism and a malicious anger toward white working class voters. For many in the party, working class white voters deserve their fate because they supported Donald Trump for President. For some like Boynton Brown, beating up on white voters is a passage to advancement in the Democratic Party’s echo chamber

What was thought to be a potential period of soul-searching after the 2016 election instead turned into a period where corporatist Democrats who have turned the party’s agenda and organizing mechanisms into an obsession with demographics, an acceptance of corporate influence and a rejection of progressive economic policies doubled-down to maintain control of the party. Part of the way they maintain control and win internal battles is to play the identity card and to malign white voters.

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@LoneStarMike You ain't seen "emotions," lady.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

The millionaires, they know not what they do, I hope. Because the alternative is unthinkable to me, they are the clinical depression creators. Whacked.

Of course CA has all the best words, it took a while but they finally came around to uttering them. Meet the next governor: Bernie Sanders backers say Democrats are ‘in absolute crisis and denial’

Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom, the frontrunner to replace Brown in next year’s race, has long positioned himself to capture the wave. Before scooping ice cream for delegates and helping host a concert with Common and DJ Jazzy Jeff, Newsom previewed a combination of new policy proposals and recycled approaches from his time as San Francisco mayor.

Newsom wants to push for free community college and an expansion of early childhood education coupled with college-savings accounts.

He wants full-service community schools that would stay open every day and a health care system that would cover everyone.
,,,

Because millionaires know best of course. Or this guy:

Yet amid the calls for a new direction are signs of deepening dissent over who can claim the mantle. Former Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, another Democratic gubernatorial candidate, referred to his long record in office and criticized the use of platitudes.

“There are some who have never been in the trenches, in the fight for social and economic justice,” Villaraigosa, a former Assembly speaker who once pushed to expand Medi-Cal for poor children and give uninsured children health coverage.

“These ‘Davos Democrats’ fly over the homes of Californians left behind – have never been in their living rooms,” he said, referencing an economic meeting of world politicians, business leaders and celebrities in the Swiss Alps to paint them as out of touch.
...

But he is not one of those Davos Democrats right? Just another multi-millionaire who wants to do "good". Well go on then.

"Trust me once they've work-shopped from this speaking matrix, there's no telling what she'll they'll be incredibly prepared to have regret saying.

Thanks to all people fighting the good fight against the killer duopoly. It is a sickness in our society. "That's the system."

peace

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@eyo
prepared to have regret saying."

As in "comfortable shoes'?

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

the incessant lies about issues they care about, the incessant sell outs over issues they care about, the incessant abuse of their time and effort and votes,

they get pissed and walk away.

duh.

rmm.

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But then I sigh; and, with a piece of scripture,
Tell them that God bids us do good for evil:
And thus I clothe my naked villany
With old odd ends stolen out of holy writ;

Got this article from David Sirotas Twitter feed. The article is about how Rob Quist campaign in Montana is talking health care and local issues.. He laughs at how NYTime reporters go on a sort of "political safari" and are shocked to find that people are not following the DC/NYC media narratives. Like they care about their more about their life struggles and not Russia.

And the national party is betting on the the Russia hysteria (and with no message or action plan on jobs/economic/health care)

But here is a quote on why democrats can't focus on economic issues.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/us/politics/outside-washingtons-blazi...

“We need these folks up here dealing with all the investigations and all that stuff. It’s important,” Gov. Terry McAuliffe of Virginia said during a visit to the capital on Tuesday. “But to think they’re going to drive an economic message with this blazing inferno going on today is just not realistic.”

Can't chew gum and walk at the same time.

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@MrWebster thanks, I finally researched Rob Quist after watching Bernie talking at the overflow overflow crowd, MSU. Too nenni ekki to dig up the vid, it is the same as it ever was. Rob Quist is par for the course, another status quo millionaire with the best words to GOTCV (get out the chump vote). None of them will change the system that got them rich, why would they? Altruism? LOL yeah right, good talk. Why not give money to people who need it instead? Never mind.

F the Democrats, F them all to H
No justice no peace is where I am
Good day

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@eyo
Rob Quist has negative net wealth and made all of $29,000 last year.

He's running against a guy who made his millions helping companies outsource jobs.

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@gjohnsit sorry I couldn't find financial details about Rob Quist, now I see his career was more "working man", what are your sources? I don't get out much on the Internets except my local papers, and links from comments and essays here. Sometimes I go to dailykos and they are Big on Rob Quist, ActBlue is on it! "It will be a huge blow to Donald Trump if Quist wins", etc.. hmph

Quist is a blank slate to me, except what is seen on TV (Internets), not of the social media kind. The wiki says he is very popular with mainstream media.

He has called for investments in clean coal technology, as well as energy from wind, solar, biomass and geothermal sources.

oops well I guess lesser evil for the win in Montana because Russia, right?

Anyone here from Montana? Wtf does R to D really mean in the big scheme? Red to Blue what? That is my question in the end. California is about as Blue as you can get, with all it's poverty and homelessness, extreme inequalities. Not a good reason to turn a seat blue if you ask me. And another thing! lol. (age 69), already past retirement age. What a great example for millennials. Yeah that last one was snark.

Thanks

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@eyo Here is an example

HELENA -

When it comes to personal wealth, the two leading candidates in Montana’s May 25 special congressional election couldn’t be farther apart.

Democrat Rob Quist, a musician and songwriter from Creston, has a negative net worth, according to his financial disclosure form, and reported just shy of $29,000 of personal income last year -- including about $15,000 in Social Security payments. Quist is 69 years old.

Congressional candidates must file financial-disclosure forms with the U.S. House clerk, listing assets and income. The form requires candidates to list only a range of the dollar value of each.

Republican Greg Gianforte, 55, who co-founded a Bozeman software firm in the mid-1990s and sold the company for $1.8 billion in 2012, reported 2016 income ranging from $2.3 million to $15.7 million – and assets valued between $65 million and $315 million.

Just because TOP supports him doesn't mean Quist must be bad.

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@gjohnsit thanks a lot for saying that, the message is clear. Good luck to all who still believe in the system, may all your wishes to change it come true.

peace

Edit: don't use google, so I went to the source, the FEC filings. This just pisses me off now, bigly:

...Cloverdale, California 95425 None / Not Employed 04/28/2017 25.00 265.00

Another unemployed worker in my town gives hundreds of dollars to Rob Quist, because Bernie? The whole thing is littered with coastal money and yuge inputs from ActBlue, but go on good luck. Keep doing what looks like the same thing to me, but expect different results.

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@gjohnsit
see this story at the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/24/greg-gianforte-bodyslams...
"The special election called when Ryan Zinke vacated his seat has attracted national attention, and spending has reached $17m as the race has tightened. Democrat Rob Quist is a political novice and folksinger. Quist declined to comment on the altercation when approached by reporters on Wednesday." [snip]
and
"Last month, the Missoulian newspaper took Gianforte [republican candidate] to task for his attitude toward the press. At an event hosted by the Advancing Conservatism Society, an audience member reportedly said: “'Our biggest enemy is the news media. How can we rein in the news media?'”

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My guess is they will fabricate a win and use it to generate false credibility. But of course, I hope I'm wrong.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver