DNC Fraud Lawsuit Update
Summary: DNC had filed a Motion to Dismiss, oral arguments were Tuesday, the DNC looked foolish, the Judge retired to make his ruling.
TYT's Jordan Chariton spoke with Jared Beck, one of the plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the Democratic National Committee, about the latest developments in the lawsuit.
On April 25, 2017, there was a scheduled hearing down in Florida regarding the DNC Fraud Lawsuit filed last year. The hearing was to hear oral arguments concerning the Defendant's [DNC] Motion to Dismiss.
The hearing lasted all afternoon and the ruling was not immediate, rather the judge retired to draft his opinion. This video sums up Tuesday's proceedings.
Niko House is in contact with the attorney, Jared Beck, and was at the hearing and also posted a video (but only on Facebook, EEK!). Mr. House painfully rambles on and on but the video is interesting and worth watching, for the second point of view, and hearing it coming from a layman.
Here's a link if you dare go to FB:
https://www.facebook.com/nikoforthepeople/videos/1895252034082818/
Jared Beck and his co-attorney, his wife, can be found at their website, BeckandLee.com, and at their activist site - JamPAC.us.
There are many interesting links at JamPAC:
- F.A.Q.: Wilding DNC Class Action Lawsuit
- Court-filed documents [Good timeline]
- Miscellaneous non-court docs
There is also a FB page: DNCfraudlawsuit
So the bottom line is the DNC had filed a Motion to Dismiss, there were oral arguments Tuesday, the DNC looked foolish and incompetent, the Judge retired to make his ruling and draft his opinion. If he doesn't dismiss, the full case may actually eventually reach a courtroom.
Comments
Been waiting for his ruling.
I, of course, want the DNC nailed to the wall.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
@dkmich
Trump's wall, I presume? They could act as scarecrows and scare the other vultures off.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Bernie-Wan Kenobi
It's an interesting issue...
Are donors to a Presidential primary candidate entitled to consumer protection against fraudulent claims of election fairness by the political party administering the process?
The 1st Amendment may or may not cover the final decision of the party to nominate the candidate of its choice (the DNC argument), but that really doesn't address the core question of whether the 1st Amendment protects knowingly untrue statements about the process made for the purpose of soliciting donations.
Basically, it boils down to whether fraudulent statements made in furtherance of soliciting donations are political speech (protected) or commercial speech (less protected). The fact that the statements were made about the process of the election (that the DNC claims to run a clean game) rather than actual political issues would seem to weigh in favor of the plaintiffs.
Whenever a judge is arguing your position for you, it's typically a good sign the decision will go your way.
Here's hoping.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
if the rules we're talking about are actually in the
corporate by-laws (which i don't know), then i don't know what free speech has to do with it, at least with respect to the executives' fiduciary responsibility to act within and under the by-laws (and/or articles of incorporation).
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
@UntimelyRippd see bottom of page
I had the same thought as Untimely Ripped. Which page
are you referring to?
DNC: "We can lie like rugs, because... freedom of speech?"
What else did they say in their defense, other than lying is protected speech? If the judge comes back with dismissal, well that's that I guess. Wish I could invest in deck chairs, to profit like them. Not really.
Thanks
Fraud is fraud is fraud
If there isn't hell to pay by the DNC for their fraud, then
they will have won the battle. No one in their right mind will donate any money to a candidate under the Dem banner that wasn't appointed by the DNC leadership. This is why I wish Bernie would dump the Dems and run with Tulsi in 2020. Sanders/Gabbard 2020 Peoples Progressive Party (PPP). And a good penalty on the DNC would be to pay back all those donors to Bernie who were taken to the cleaners by this corrupt organization. I know I'm dreaming, but I'd really like my $2700 back to support any progressive candidate that's not a Dem.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK | "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine." - G. B. Shaw Bernie/Tulsi 2020
Call me ageist, if you wish, but I don't want a POTUS
who is over 80 on Inauguration Day.
I am not sure the Democratic National Committee wins if its defense to a fraud charge is the First Amendment. And, the fact is, Hillary did lose the election and a good number of Democrats are disgusted with the Party.
You're ageist, and so am I
Bernie is the true incrementalist, I think, probably why the polls say he's popular, he "makes sense" to the people listening. He is talking about reverting to a state that already existed when I was young, I hope "folks" realize that and start to demand a little more. Like about four decades more, coincidentally about as long as Bernie has been talking at same issues.
Thanks
Edit: spell check robot, turned it off after too many times being wrong, but apparently I depend on it now for everything, right or wrongly. Great.
@UntimelyRippd haven't found the full document, just this page ...
seems like a bit of a slam dunk, to me.
corporate by-laws aren't political promises, and as far as i know, they're legally-binding contracts, of a sort.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Only the Chair? Talk about a loophole!
It should be the DNC, full stop. However, wasn't it the Chair who did things like set the schedule for the debates? I believe Howard Dean even said DWS was advised not to do that. By holding off the first debate until after the NY deadline for changing registration had passed, she let the Republican debates and Republican use up all the oxygen in political reporting for months. She should have been sued for malpractice, ffs.
@HenryAWallace Debbie is a named
Improper service, summary judgment, First
Amendment defense to fraud claims.
Seems as though they are flailing. However, I don't know if I am hopeful about the outcome. Maybe I just can't allow myself to be. Too many disappointments.
For anyone interested, here's the transcript of the hearing
http://jampac.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/042517cw2.pdf
It's 123 pages, but you can read it all in a little over an hour.
@LoneStarMike nice, thanks for the link
If the case has merit, the DNC may try to settle out of court
That would be unfortunate since the most value from such a case would come from forcing the most public, establishment Democrats to finally stop this insulting charade that nothing happened during the primaries.
Beware the bullshit factories.