Huff(Com)Post's Ryan Grim Says TOP Experiencing A Resurgence Via The Resistance™. Commenters at TYT Video Say Progressives Left The Place For Good/Not Fooled by PR Makeover.
Was just listening to this TYT piece "Divided We Fell — Can The Left Learn From 2016?" while doing the dishes and thought I'd drop it here for folks. Seems there's been more talk lately about the cluelessness and willful ignorance of the moribund Dem Party, perhaps in part due to the release of the Hillary implosion book. It's really a discussion about Ryan Grim's puff piece in the HuffingtonCompPost (who in 2007 partnered with Breitbart) the claims there has been some kind of resurgence at TOP, as a place for The Resistance™. Yeah, right. Just buy these pair of Nikes, and your whole world will change for the better. Just Do It.
I don't know who this guy Ryan Grim is (but the guy interviewing him at one point says he himself is friends with Kos). But these tepid pundits, to me, are indicative of that same insider, blind partisan mentality that afflicts that embarrassing, juvenile place, afraid to criticize their puppet masters and to call the situation for what it really is. I have to confess, I didn't read the piece (and frankly couldn't find it on HP, a place I've refused to patronize for years now). It was enough for me to just listen to the two-part interview on TYT to get the gist. I also have to confess, I have refused to read anything over there since I left about a year ago; that place and all that it's been revealed to truly be, is so vile to me.
The main reason I was interested in sharing it however, was not to listen to these one-dimensional partisan blowhards expertly avoid the elephant in the room of why the Dems lost, but so that you could see some of the responses below.
Proving once again you can't fool the people who know the score on the ground, have followed the story and been personally involved.
To wit, here's some selections from the comments section of the video:
Icarus Arcturus 1 day ago
Never Hillary. Bernie Sanders would be president if Hillary hadn't rigged everything along with the msm.
Dan O'Neill 1 day ago
Blair Schirmerx 1 day ago
"Has the Left Learned...?" Learned... what? Not to allow the DNC to steal elections? 1:20 -- "Lefty Democrats"? What the eff is Ryan talking about? "Lefty Democrats" have been run out of the party. There's no room in the Democratic party for even a mild, New Deal Democrat like Bernie Sanders. The DNC is NOT going to support progressives running for office. The DNC is NOT going to surrender power, period. It wouldn't even tolerate the slightly progressive Keith Ellison as DNC Chair, though Ellison had the support of Schumer and Sanders.
For the DNC, "unity" means progressives must surrender, and corporate Democrats will change exactly nothing. As we see with the likes of Sally Boynton Brown, they won't even debate policy.
Johnson Cherri 1 day ago
"Let's unite liberals and stop trashing the resistance against Trump." Saying while liberals trash progressives. You're absolutely right that establishment Dems want top-down conformity, and not unity.
Red syrup 1 day ago
I didn't leave the DNC. The DNC left me.
Saltyforeal 1 day ago
The latest think tank moves on the part of the ruling Democrats is downright embarrassing. They willfully misunderstand and keep forming groups to promote unity, when all people want is simple: open acknowledgement of primary rigging, and outside monitoring to prevent that ever happening again; consequences for the persons responsible in the rigging, not rewards; removal of the super delegate system; remove or severely limit corporate donations, etc. You need to fix a fundamentally flawed system. Can't speak for anyone but myself, but at least it would make me get on board. Action, not promises. Seen too many unfulfilled promises over the decades.
Fluffy Bunny 1 day ago
Because of Markos's Hillary position I stopped reading the Daily Kos.
John Keim 1 day ago
So did I.
Jeremy Ellwood 18 hours ago
Because of the absolutely disgusting comments from Hillary supporters on KOS overall, I left.
I welcome discussion, but the comments on KOS pages reminded me of MMO forums. Disgusting rudeness that dwarfs their accusations toward Bernie supporters. They accused us of being rude and then just showed us how to be the most rude/disgusting humans on the planet.
SamanthaVimes 16 hours ago
THANK you! I found my HIllary-supporting friends to be very rude and bullying. No criticism of any kind was going to be accepted, so I just disengaged with them. It was very hurtful.
sully FL1 day ago
DailyKos was supposed to be a progressive website and then it backed Hillary from the beginning. They're a joke. Markos is a terrible human.
Kathy Goodwin 1 day ago
Bernie wrote a large diary to Daily KOS before deciding to run for President. I, for one, wrote him that I would support him and volunteer for him and do everything in my power to help him; which I did!! The Daily KOS then suddenly became a rag to shill for Hillary Clinton!!!! I left them!!! I will NEVER go back to them any more than I'll EVER go back to being a democrat!!! Fuck Daily KOS, The democrats, and all the Clinton Evil Minions, FOREVER!!!! Join The Green Party!!! We will take over!!! #GreenEnter #GrowTheGreens
The Dynast Queen 1 day ago (edited)
I remember that. I didn't frequent the site much as I was just a lurker but I found it super weird that a guy pushing a progressive message and us knowing he actually means it was being shit on by a "progressive" outlet. Hell at times even Breitbart and its even more right wing commenters were nicer to Bernie than the things I read on the DailyKos.
Lisa Kazmier 1 day ago
The title is bullshit or based on bullshit because "divided" presumes that Hillary/Shillary deserved their support. She's NOT a progressive not "left." She likes war, likes promoting the MIC and 1% and sought the support of war hawks like Kissinger. Why would I vote for someone allied to Kissinger? Indeed, she never wanted my vote. I got told "she doesn't need me" because her supporters wanted crossover GOP votes that they didn't get. She's not a feminist, either and I am repulsed by assertions that I should see her as one because she's female. Was Margaret Thatcher a feminist? Or Theresa May? Hillary, unlike Thatcher, rode on her husband's contacts and pull, too. Thatcher didn't quite do that, did she? The DNC still tries to ride this bullshit and wants to define "unity" as capitulation to their big $$$ donors. Not buying then, not buying now.
Justin B1 day ago
Spot on, Lisa! The democratic party is not the party for progressives. These people have learned nothing about winning over progressives. They just can't figure it out. The only thing they did learn is that they actually did need us after all.
What they don't get is that they can't run their typical establishment candidates and pass them off as a progressive champion. We will see through their bullshit every day. And offering us empty platitudes will get them nowhere.
CmatthYBR 1 day ago (edited)
"The only thing they did learn is that they actually did need us after all."
Actually, I don't even think they learned that because they went with Perez over Ellison for DNC after the election. Both parties are horrible, but it's because of the voters. Everyone blames the DNC and the two-party system for everything, but it's the voters who nominate the candidates and for whatever reason, the voters won't nominate progressives. So, in my opinion, the problem's not the two-party system - it's mindless voters.
the op kingdom 1 day ago
Justin B 1 day ago
I mostly agree about you on the chair election. They are desperate to hold onto power and are frightened of losing us. That's why we have Perez and why Bernie is holding his hand on this "Unity" Tour. What a joke!
Voters are a huge part of the problem though. Easily swayed by messaging and easily frightened into voting out of fear. Ultimately, the power does reside in voters though. They just need to realize it.
For me... I am solidly with the Green Party now. They actually champion the type of progressive platform that the DNC battled against. The DNC and Democrats are done... they just don't see it yet.
Ozzy The Mighty 1 day ago
Hillary made Trump president. noth said!
Dan O'Neill 1 day ago
Jordan 1 day ago
Simple answer: No.
Complicated answer: No.
PLEASE Stop voting alongside big pharma, big war and big oil... AKA, Democrats/Republicans.
This planet can't take it anymore.
Johnson Cherri 1 day ago
This Daily Kos?
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