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OT WE 24 JUN ~ Contrasting China and US values


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As to why one is on an upswing and the other failing
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An American born news commentator has a very well-spoken comparison of east/west values after having
lived in China for over 25 years. Informed observations are offered in this interview with Glenn Diesen.
Many good points are made regarding finance, culture and forms of governance. (about 1 hour)

https://open.substack.com/pub/glenndiesen/p/einar-tangen-can-china-resis...

A bit on his background here -

https://www.bjreview.com/China/202504/t20250427_800399879.html

There is a lot to be learned by studying the Chinese ways.

Open thread so add-in whatever you find.

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On this day in history -

1901 - Pablo Picasso opened his first exhibition at 18 in Paris.

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Weeping Woman 1937 (cubist)

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1967 - Jackie Gleason passed. Perhaps best known for his role in The Honeymooners.

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Also, today is national pralines day. If you've ever wandered the markets in Charleston or New Orleans
you have experienced the associated aromas of vendors peddling the sweet, brittle candy.
I've sampled the pecan variety heated with sugar, milk, butter and vanilla then cooled on a sheet.

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Wassup?

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I watched that interview with Einar. I find him very thoughtful and knowledgeable. As you outline, he lays out a good comparison of the western approach and the Chinese approach to global relations and economies.

It is a lovely 63F morning here. Perhaps the last till fall.

It is nice to have tomatoes on the counter again. The harvest should last a month or two till they play out. Got the last cabbage and last of the collards this week as well as some green beans. So plenty to process and eat. We also wild harvested and cooked a big pan of chanterelle and another of oyster mushrooms. Last night we cooked some of our local grass fed hamburger, and had them with the mushrooms, tomatoes, and a slice of vidalia onion... with a fresh peach and our homemade yogurt for dessert. Planning on a repeat tonight.

Hope all is well. Thanks for the OT!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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Do you pluck your own mushrooms? As a kid on the farm we gathered morels and puffball
sautéed in butter. Yummy! They pop-up overnight and have to be picked before the critters
get to them early in the morning.

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Giambologna Colossus of the Apennines 1579-80 (35ft tall)
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Recent rains and warm temps has caused a flush. The spigot is about to turn off unfortunately. So we're enjoying the 'shrooms while we can.

All the best!

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Reminds me of a song (what doesn't)

with a face that would let her get away with ...

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Never saw the Honeymooners, alas.

Per the Guardian, another US General has quit. Good article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jun/24/army-general-christopher... Not sure why he quit. In passing, the article mentions Hegseth thinking of downgrading the Euro-African command from 4 stars to 3 and wanting NATO to take full responsibility for defending Europe (from what?)

At the risk of pissing off assorted self-styled "Patriots", all of that is good. Our military is too big and bloated, we don't need it for defense and almost nobody left alive can remember the last time we fought a defensive war. Meanwhile, NATO was supposed to defend Europe from the Warsaw Pact. The Warsaw Pact is long gone and a lot of it is now part of NATO, they have become nothing but predators, not unlike the US waging all sorts and types of wars, overt, covert, economic and everything else at the behest of ideology, religion, greed and the like.

I've got to get out to the tomatoes before the day warms up, so

be well and have a good one

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@enhydra lutris
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they have out-lived their usefulness. Now it seems they
only exist to perpetuate conflict to justify their existence.

Enjoy your garden.

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to expand my understanding of China, Chinese history and current Chinese events. It continues to deepen my understanding of my own country and community providing insights into the present and future still needing to be navigated.

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Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.

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@studentofearth
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somehow, I believe if we are to progress as a species
the lessons learned today will have serious consequence
for our future. Competition does not require labelling the
adversary as 'the enemy'. If only we can learn cooperation
is the key to development. China has figured that out.

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Q 你好吗?

So that's Korean pancakes with chives. Pretty good for store bought. Ms. So recommended to some friends, who also gave a thumb's up review. Chives used to grow great in our 2 small gardens in Daytona. For some reason it loved that sandy soil. But we can't grow anything here, so this will have to do. Ms So basically transplanted her chive garden to a friends garden there near Daytona.

This story of the Butterfly Dream is a key to later Chinese thought.

“Once upon a time, I dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of my happiness as a butterfly, unaware that I was myself. Soon I awaked, and there I was, veritably myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man.”
― Zhuangzi, The Butterfly as Companion: Meditations on the First Three Chapters of the Chuang Tzu

There are some ruminations at the link on the etymology of dream 夢 down through Chinese history.

Zhuangzi and his butterfly dream: the etymology of meng 夢

I don't think the China Dream, is based on American Dream in any way, shape or form. I think it's an alternative, but the discussion of technical aspects of the character dream interested me because it's my favorite Korean song, I sang along to this tune hundreds if not thousands of times, at least once a day while driving OTR. Also, I think it's a common expression among Korean women for use with their boyfriends or husbands. Wake up from your dream!! 꿈 깨세요! kkum kkaeseyo, also 몽 mong Dream in Korean; or 夢 meng, Dream in Mandarin .

lyrics 夢 꿈 Dream

Jo Yong-pil's hit song Dream also draws on another famous Eastern theme of the hometown, is not the old village in the country much more appealing than this unforgiving life in the city? The allure of the hometown in this Li Bai short poem alleged to be perhaps the most famous Chinese poem-

Quiet Night Thought

At the foot of my bed, moonlight
Yes, I suppose there is frost on the ground.
Lifting my head I gaze at the bright moon
Bowing my head, thinking of home.

Hometown- Chinese 家乡 jiāxiāng korean 고향 Kohyang

Last 2 lines of Jo Yong-pil's dream-

슬퍼질땐 차라리 나홀로 눈을 감고 싶어
When i become sad, I'd rather close my eyes alone
고향의 향기 들으면서
while imagining the scent of my hometown

Famous Chinese four character idiom: 同床異夢 (same bed different dreams).

Thanks for the OT Q!

PS I did watch Einar, he's someone I watch often. I probably watched every episode of the Honeymooners.

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己所不欲,勿施于人。

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but odds are we are more like butterflies
dreaming our existence into human form.
Maybe that explains our fascination with flying?

Chives are fun little onions

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I don't usually eat jeon for breakfast usually lunch or quick dinner, but there's no real reason not to, if there's some in the frig or freezer as the case may be.

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己所不欲,勿施于人。

I had a busy day at the office, but intend to watch the Tangen interview this evening.
Thanks for the OT!

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