Trump considers bombing Assad, regime change

It looks like one of the few good things about Hillary losing might be about to get thrown under the bus.

President Donald Trump has told some members of Congress that he is considering military action in Syria in retaliation for this week's chemical attack, and recognizes the seriousness of the situation, a source familiar with the calls tells CNN.
The source said the President had not firmly decided to go ahead with it but said he was discussing possible actions with Defense Secretary James Mattis...
"These heinous actions by the Assad regime cannot be tolerated. The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this horrific attack and all other horrific attacks, for that matter."
Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham issued a joint statement Thursday calling for military action, recommending an international coalition "to ground Assad's air force."

Ah, yes. The infamous no-fly zone.

The New York Times reported that in 2012 General Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, testified that imposing a no-fly zone in Syria “would require as many as 70,000 American servicemen to dismantle Syria’s sophisticated antiaircraft system and then impose a 24-hour watch over the country.”
And this was before Russia got involved.
It was also before the jihadists lost in Aleppo, thus leaving Assad the dominant military power in Syria.

It now appears that regime change is being planned.

"The process by which Assad would leave is something that requires an international community effort both to first defeat ISIS within Syria, to stabilize the Syrian country to avoid further civil war and then to work collectively with our partners around the world through a political process that would lead to Assad leaving," Tillerson said at a news conference in Palm Beach, Fla.

I wrote an essay about this possibility six months ago and it still applies:

While Global Nuclear Annihilation tends to get your attention, there is someone even more committed to the Assad regime than Russia that the American media seems to have forgotten about.
While some morons think we can bluff Russia into backing down, and that is possible, there is zero chance that Iran will back down....

Iran has lost hundreds of Qud soldiers, including generals, thousands of proxy soldiers from Lebanon and Iraq, and billions of dollars that they couldn't afford to spend in order to prop up the Assad regime.
Iran started sending thousands of their own soldiers to Syria to fight four years ago (in response to Washington arming the Sunni rebels), and they doubled down on their support this year.
Iran's commitment to Syria dwarfs Russia's.

Iran is ALL IN for Assad. They not only won't back down, they can't back down. The fate of the Iranian regime rests on the fate of Assad, and that means they will do whatever it takes to keep him in place, including risking war with us.

So while the politicians and news media focus on whether Moscow will back down or not, consider if Moscow does allow us to invade Syria. How will Iran react?

Velayati, who is an adviser to Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei, said the US has suffered a defeat in military campaigns both in Afghanistan and Iraq and a third adventure, in Syria, would hand Washington its third defeat — a more stinging one.

“If the Americans take military action in Syria, it will be a suicidal action; and their third [military] defeat in the region after Afghanistan and Iraq will be a stronger defeat.”

To be fair, most Americans are not aware that we are losing in Afghanistan. Nor do Americans realize that we left Iraq in 2011 with our enemies unconquered.
Now think about what it would be like being in a ground war with a nation three times the size of Iraq.

Wait, you say. Who says it will be a ground war? Why can't we just bomb them?
The answer is simple: Obama deployed 5,000 American troops to Iraq. It already is a ground war....
I sense a "Blackhawk Down" moment in our near future.

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For Iran, as noted March 16 in Al-Monitor, there is simply no option but to win the war. In this equation, there is no choice but to keep Assad in power. Russia, however, may define victory differently, with a focus on preserving the Syrian state rather than its figurehead.
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The one good thing we are hearing is that Trump has not yet decided on any response, but is going to meet with his advisors re: what to do. If it was Hillary, she would already be announcing her No Fly zone and the dispatching of additional carrier task forces.

Nothing seemed more certain than an escalation back when Obama decried Assad's supposed use of chemical weapons against civilians, but then...it didn't happen. (As explained by Seymour Hersh)

We all know that Trump is being advised by the warmongers on his team (Mattis) to order up an escalation, but Trump has a history of keeping his own counsel, at least to a certain degree.

Stay tuned...

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I saw T-rump talk about the Syrian horror...babies dying. He failed to mention the 200 civilians we killed last week in Mosul, nor the mosque a week earlier with another few hundred, nor the children we killed in Yemen, and on and on. We have no outrage for the true guilty party.

Iran is an interesting piece of the puzzle. Chomsky commented about Iran this week.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLNHF_iKl8g (4 min)

Thanks as always for your insights!

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“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”

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an essential part of war propaganda... or pre-war propaganda, as the case may be.

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Iran knows that if Assad goes down, Syria goes down. It's in their best interests to try to not let that happen. They don't have much choice right now but to help Assad but as Zahrani indicated, Assad could turn his back on Iran with an agreement with Russia and the U.S. and Israel. Notice how Zahrani mentions Israel, not Saudi Arabia.
Based on the false flag they just pulled off, it looks like the Trump admin is trying to make it's move. Dumb fucks of the highest order.

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who doesn't know what the fuck he is doing, or even why he's doing it. I doubt that The Donald has ever read a single book cover to cover in his entire life. This now-exalted Donald, this intellectual dolt, is at the moment in way over his head -- to the extent that he has surrounded himself with right-wing ideologues who are far more knowledgeable and competent than he is, or can ever hope to be.. Resulting in Mr. Wonder-Hair being hopelessly manipulated, outnumbered, and dominated by his intellectual superiors on the far right.

Trump is something of an idiot savant with an enormous ego. He knows what he wants for sure, and he is accustomed to getting what he wants. But he has no idea whatsoever, nor even much interest, in what it might take to get what he wants as a POTUS -- other than to destroy the neoliberals, and what little remains of the American Left along with them.

Donald Trump is in fact fairly representative of what US foreign policy has long been generally -- which is to say greedy, thoughtless, cruel, exclusively self-serving, and more often than not, blindly stupid. Trump is Us, pure and simple -- stripped of the faux-humanitarianism of "third way" Democrats.

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With Steve Bannon suddenly removed from his seat at the National Security Council and replaced by the full-on religious nut case Rick Perry, I doubt there's much discussion of a dialog with Russia there.

Check member CB's post showing heavy American military equipment on the move - toward Lebanon, it seems.

https://caucus99percent.com/comment/254363#comment-254363

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in this diary. I think it will be flown directly into the new airport at Kobani - not by ship to Lebanon. Of course, after the initial strike, some of the material could be shipped in to attack the southern parts of Syria through the Golan Heights.

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Planned last summer. There is a huge amount of desert camo painted military equipment now in Romania at the Cincu airport.

From my post: https://caucus99percent.com/user/5958/comment

I tried to find a different source

@travelerxxx
because of the mumbo-jumbo. The equipment did end up in Romania and is still painted desert camo. I am still looking for confirmation that the equipment was actually put on a ship in Romania. In any event, it would be convenient to do so from this location.

It's also an airbase so the US could fly the equipment into their enlarged air base in Syria which is now well prepared for the largest transport planes the US has.

US expands air base in northern Syria for use in battle for Raqqa
Wright and a contingent of civil engineers, security forces and intelligence personnel were deployed temporarily to expand the base to “support every type of airframe across the [Defense Department] spectrum,” Wright said. They lived in tents and ate Meals Ready to Eat, known as MREs, for 45 days, he said.

The Kobani airstrip has been modified to support not only C-130s, which are able to land in most difficult environments, but also C-17s, which need a more hardened runway to support their weight, and other aircraft, Thomas said.

Maybe pre-staging? Maybe attempt to use NATO forces against Syria if they can get some casus belli to do so? Military equipment sent to Romania has come from two locations:

U.S. Soldiers, Armored Vehicles Arrive in Romania
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The soldiers unloaded M1A2 Abrams tanks from the first train that arrived Feb. 14 to this eastern Romanian airbase located about 12 miles away from the Black Sea.
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What is unusual is that Romania had already received a huge shipment of military equipment directly from the US by ship back in June 2016. This is a very large convergence of military equipment in the very small country of Romania.

Vehicles roll into Romania for Saber Guardian
June 27, 2016
CONSTANTA, Romania (June 26, 2016) -- The Port of Constanta is busy as usual. Cargo is coming in, cargo is going out. After all, Constanta is the fourth largest port in Europe. However, this time, a different type of cargo is at the port; military vehicles from the United States.

On June 19, 2016 a ship that left Charleston, S.C. two-weeks prior sailed into port. It carried approximately 300 wheeled and tracked military vehicles belonging to the 116th Cavalry Brigade Combat Team (CBCT), Idaho Army National Guard and the 122nd Engineer Battalion, South Carolina Army National Guard. The units had shipped their equipment in preparation for Exercise Saber Guardian, which begins late next month.

Found a tie in between Syria and Romania. The desert camo military equipment could be flown into Syria from Cincu on very short notice if required. Everything is ready to lock and load.

Romania hosting SABER-GUARDIAN-16, first major defence exercise after NATO Warsaw Summit
DefMin Motoc: Romania to join efforts of Coalition against Islamic State of Iraq, Syria with 50 servicepersons

Romania will concretely contribute 50 servicepersons to the efforts of the Coalition fighting against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria who will enter the theatre of war on an advisory mission, National Defence Minister Mihnea Motoc said at Cincu on Wednesday, where he attended the opening ceremony of a SABER-GUARDIAN-16 defence exercise.

“As early as February, we committed ourselves based on an approval by Romania’s Parliament to concretely contribute to the efforts of the Coalition fighting against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. Our contribution consists of 50 trainers for the special operation forces in Iraq, for military intelligence in Iraq. These future trainers are about to complete specialised training, after which we have to conclude a few formalities before deploying them to the theatre of war on an advisory mission,” Motoc explained.

According to the minister, the servicepersons will be able to join the theatre of war early autumn.

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before not too long ago.

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The 900 pound gorilla in the region would love that scenario. They've been wanting that very thing since the end of the Iran/Iraq war. I can see BB rubbing his hands in glee at the very prospect of such a thing happening. It would set fire to and destroy the entire Muslim dominated region of the MENA while Big Daddy Warbucks spent untold billions in lives and treasure protecting the bastard.

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http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/tillerson-steps-underway-depose-as...

US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said on Thursday that steps have already been taken towards regime change in Syria.

According to media reports, when asked whether the president is planning to organize an “international coalition” to remove the Syrian president, the secretary said: “Those steps are under way.” He concluded: “It's a serious matter. It requires a serious response.”

On Wednesday, Tillerson warned Moscow that it should "re-think" its support for Assad.

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@CB two months after Trump and his warmongers took office and that is what has caused them to seek regime change, as opposed to their previous statements. They've had the plan all along. This is so obvious.
This is infuriating that people are falling for this.

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Obamacare repeal dead. Tax reform failing.

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Oh lookie! Evil foreigners that are killing their own people before we get a chance to kill them. How dare they!

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@Big Al
Trump is not in charge. He is now under the complete control of the Deep State and will kowtow to their wishes. Obama learned a lot faster. He most likely understood within weeks what was required of him.

The Deep State was/is connected to Hillary by the crotch so they were prepared to put their plans into effect upon her crowning.

I'm thinking that this false flag was a good way to reset the Trump presidency's attitude towards Russia and Syria. It gives him a face saving reason to walk back all his previous rhetoric during the election.

Trump Says Idlib Chemical Attack Won't Be Tolerated, Attitude to Assad Changed

I still believe the US military is staging something in Romania. All that equipment will eventually get to Syria in support of partitioning the country as per the original plan dating back decades.

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they've been trying to "regime change" Syria for six years now! Does Tillerson think he's got a brand new 5-year-Plan or something?

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@native
Regime change and war programming is prepared years in advance so they are available 'off-the-shelf' (as was the Afghan and Iraq wars were).

Trump and Tillerson have now been fully co-opted by the real power in Washington. This WMD shinola from Syria just gives them a face saving way to get with the existing program. Regime change in Syria or any other nation does not come from the politicians. They are just the front men. They come from the MIC, CIA and the related powerful stink think tanks and foreign interests that infest the US capital.

There is no true democracy in America.

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Absolutely true. All of it, and then some.

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Its high time for Americans to deliver another good dose of Shock and Awe to somebody. It would give a boost to our flagging self-confidence, and help to Make America Great Again, just like the President says. There's nothing better than taking over a foreign country, to make Americans feel Great for a while. Plus we could finally get to show that punk-ass Putin just who's gonna be the Boss of this planet, and it sure ain't him.

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@native Oh crud

One of the proposals drawn up is a “saturation strike” using dozens of cruise missiles designed to hit Syrian military targets —including military air fields — in an effort to limit future Syrian Air Force attacks on rebel positions, according to the two U.S. military officials.

The officials asked for anonymity to discuss classified plans.

The proposed strike would involve launching Tomahawk cruise missiles to overwhelm Russian air defense systems used by the Syrian military. The Russian government currently helps maintain the air defense sites and advises the Syrian military.

According to both U.S. military officials, the current proposal would likely result in Russian military deaths and mark a drastic escalation of U.S. force in Syria.

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@gjohnsit
America is being led by a real-life Insane Clown Posse, and the media are cheering them on. I feel like I'm living on Desolation Row.

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@native 1984 meets Desolation Row. War is Peace. Lies are Truth.

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But it's been long a-building, and it should come as no surprise to long-time observers of the evolution of America's political landscape. Still, hope dies hard.

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“The whole thing is broken”

The article is originally from The Automatic Earth under the title “Any of this sound familiar?”, but I like the way the version linked above puts key passages in boldface.

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But I sense with Iran sticking in Syria, Russia will likely be very unwilling to allow a defeat of BOTH Syria and Iran in the event of their failure to ward off U.S. invasion; that would lessen yet again their buffer of allies in this world. I sense a quite real possibility Hillary and her bots may finally get their hot war with Russia.

Hate to say/type it, but one can only hope Russia and Iran quickly starts decimating U.S. incursion so people will finally start to 'get' that our past decades of pummeling mostly defenseless countries with relatively little loss is not the reality of WAR against these capable 'foes' that have been constructed out of thin air for the propaganda consumers; the Russians and Iranians have been paying attention to this theater for quite some time and they undoubtedly prepared to make this real, because they have long since figured that in the end, this kabuki was probably going turn real for them any second; it was only a matter of time before the noise turned a corner.

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http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/04/200pm-water-cooler-462017.html

Trump should talk to this guy:

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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
1:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013
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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

April 5, 2017

U.S. Air Force Gen. John Hyten, commander of U.S. Strategic Command, told lawmakers that the U.S. and its allies have “no defense” against recently deployed Russian cruise missiles, according to AFP.

The Russian Kalibr cruise missile has a long range, can evade countermeasures, can accelerate to mach3 before impact, can track a moving target and can swarm a target. Variants can carry tactical nuclear warheads.

The P-800 Oniks is one of the most deadly anti-ship missiles today. Its export version is know and Yakhont. Western designation of this missile is SS-N-26 Strobile. Despite this, there is little information to be had about this powerful weapon.

Development of the P-800 began in 1983. It became operational in the early 2000s. So far, it has been mostly used on land or in submarines, although some sources state that it is also mounted on certain naval vessels or airplanes as well.

There are several other operation versions of the missile. It is used in the mobile Bastion-P coastal defense missile system. Its design was also used for the joint Russian-Indian BRAHMOS cruise missile.

The P-800 has an effective guidance system. It is fire-and-forget, which basically means that the launch platform can run to safety after launching the missile. At the beginning of its flight, the P-800 uses satellite guidance, and towards the end, it actively tracks its target with radar. This guidance works so well that the P-800 has a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of just 1.5 meters.

Simply stated, of all the surface-to-air threats being faced by coalition airpower over Syria, the Russian S-400 SAM, known as the “Triumf” at home and better known to NATO as the SA-21 “Growler,” is the most capable and lethal long-range air defense missile system on the planet.

All these quotes are from Western media. In addition,the Russian Mig31 is a proven cruise missile hunter. It's the fastest combat plane in service today and can track, catch and kill cruise missiles.

The only way that the US can do anything in the Syrian theater is with Russia's acquiescence. A direct conflict with Russia will result in huge losses of equipment, including US warships on the bottom of the ocean.

This is the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, Saddam has WMD, crap all over again. The US is going to have to prove to Russia that Assad really did order the use of poison gas or Russia will get to demonstrate her very potent state-of-the-art military hardware. The US never goes up against an equal opponent, preferring the low cost (to us) of bombing the hell out of third world countries.

The US retired nuclear warhead Tomahawk cruise missiles, Russia did not. Russia has a policy of first nuclear use in the event that Russian assets incur overwhelming hostilities. That's step one, and you know what step two is. I can't believe that our politicians are such complete and utter idiots.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

@The Wizard
unfortunately. We are not only underestimating Russia's military strength, we may also be underestimating the degree of of sheer stupidity common among America's ruling elite.

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the Deep State turning Trump after he was elected as others do. I read an article (at GR, the fake news site I think) that made the case that Trump and his staff are the deep state, just another part. It depends on how one defines deep state I guess. The author's assertion was that it is those who work behind the scenes to affect government policy, from the thinktanks and institutions, to corporations and banks. So Trump et all were always part of that, the .01% that controls basically everything.

But you're right in that it does give Trump, and his staff, a way to change tune. Weren't they just saying getting Assad out was no longer a priority?

Good info on the military in Romania. Yep, looks like they're going for it. Which makes sense in their minds, it's been over five years, new administration, they need to proceed to Iran, they want to finish the job.

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A post by Brandon Turbeville:

Pro-War Trump Statements On Syria In Direct Contrast To His Anti-War Tweets In 2013; Both Over Chem Weapons
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Yet, Trump’s willingness to provoke Russia and possibly go to war in Syria stands in direct contrast to Trump in 2013, during a period where another gas attack took place in Syria, then also blamed on Assad but which was later proven to be the actions of the Wests’ terrorists.

One need only take a look at his infamous Twitter page and a collection of his tweets in 2013 regarding the chemical attack in Syria to see a stark difference. One such collection was put together by Mimi al-Laham (aka Syrian Girl) who herself tweeted, “Tweets reveal @realDonaldTrump wasn’t emotionally effected by the #2013SyriaChemicalAttack he used his brain. The Deep State castrated him.”
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More than likely, however, the Trump policy is going to be more of the same with a slightly new presentation, a comb-over instead of hope and change.

While leftists and Democrats forage for the most idiotic reasons to impeach Trump, they will no doubt miss the fact that launching a war of aggression based on a lie is indeed an impeachable offense.

However, since leftists have been the biggest cheerleaders for war with Syria over the last six years, we expect the war to continue and progress with nothing but the occasional criticism from your average Democrat and renegade Republicans demanding that Trump intensify it.

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Israel Just Received A HUGE Gift From Russia. What Is Its Side Of The Deal?

Russia just published a quite sensational statement on Israel and Palestine. It recognizes, as before, East-Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Palestine. But Russia now also recognizes, under certain condition, West-Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel.

This statement will make quite a wave and it has to be seen in the wider context of the war on Syria. Here is the original statement in Russian on the Foreign Ministry site and the auto-translation (excerpt):

Moscow continues to consider the formula for negotiating a two-state settlement of an optimal and friendly to us Palestinian and Israeli people, as well as to the interests of all countries in the region and the world community as a whole.

We reaffirm our commitment to the UN resolutions on the principles of settlement, including the status of East Jerusalem as the capital of the future Palestinian state. At the same time, we consider it necessary to say that in this context we regard West Jerusalem as the capital of the State of Israel.

Specific parameters for addressing the full range of issues of the final status of the Palestinian territories, including the Jerusalem problem, should be agreed upon in direct negotiations between the parties.

The part marked by me in bold is new. Older statements of Russia never included such a recognition. It is bound to conditions ("in this context") so there is no free lunch for the Zionists. But it is still a huge achievement for Netanyahoo.
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But Putin does not like to issue threats. He offers and makes deals. So one wonders what the real deal behind the above acknowledgement of West-Jerusalem is. Is my speculation correct or are their better explanations?

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troll.

Yes, by all means let's invade Syria to save John McCain's al quaeda headchoppers holed up in Idlib from a premature meeting with their 72 virgins.

Personally, I think it's all a big bluff. At least I hope so for any number of reasons - not the least of which because I truly think we are going to get our asses royally kicked.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

maybe tonight

Reports are emerging that President Trump could order military strikes against the Syrian regime as early as tonight. Here's what NBC's Richard Engel is reporting:

"I've been talking to senior US military officials and they say that something is seriously under consideration, that it could happen imminently, that a wide range of options are being presented to the president. This could develop very quickly, even within the next couple, the next several hours."

Engel's sources tell him Trump is leaning toward a "limited" response, perhaps targeting Assad's chemical weapons capabilities. Reporters who cover the Pentagon have also been advised to stay late, in another sign that something could be coming shortly.

WWHD

Hillary Clinton called on the United States to take out Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad's Air Force on Thursday, days after a chemical attack killed more than 70 people in the war-torn country.
"Assad has an air force, and that air force is the cause of most of these civilian deaths as we have seen over the years and as we saw again in the last few days," Clinton said in a speech at the "Women in the World" summit in New York City. "And I really believe that we should have and still should take out his air fields and prevent him from being able to use them to bomb innocent people and drop sarin gas on them."
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