Open Thread - Friday, February 5, 2016

The Bundy Family’s Odd Mormon Connection, Explained

The Bundy family claims a Mormon faith as inspiration for their cause…

As John Sepulvado pointed out over at OPD, Cliven Bundy repeatedly cited his Mormonism to justify his standoff with the United States government in 2014, insisting he has a right to graze cattle on federal land because his Mormon ancestors worked it long before the federal Bureau of Land Management was established.

Drug War Statistics

Did you know....
Amount spent annually in the U.S. on the war on drugs: More than $51,000,000,000

Number of arrests in 2014 in the U.S. for drug law violations: 1,561,231
Number of these arrests that were for possession only: 1,297,384 (83 percent)
Number of arrests in 2014 in the U.S. for marijuana law violations: 700,993
Number of these arrests that were for possession only: 619,809 (88 percent)
Number of Americans incarcerated in 2014 in federal, state and local prisons and jails: 2,224,400 or 1 in every 111 adults, the highest incarceration rate in the world

Proportion of people incarcerated for a drug offense in state prison who are black or Latino, although these groups use and sell drugs at similar rates as whites: 57 percent

Number of states that allow the medical use of marijuana: 23 + District of Columbia

Number of states that have approved legally taxing and regulating marijuana: 4 (Alaska, Colorado, Oregon and Washington)

Rise of the American police state: 9 disgraceful events that paved the way

From the War on Drugs to the militarization of police, these deeply unsettling milestones got us where we are

The August 19 shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri and the protests that followed have focused attention on the militarization of police in the United States. Police overreach, especially in African-American neighborhoods, is nothing new: it was Marquette Frye’s confrontation with California Highway Patrol officers on Aug. 11, 1965, that sparked the Watts Riots in Los Angeles almost half a century ago. But much has changed since the 1960s and 1970s: American police are a lot more militarized than they were back then, and many of the checks and balances that made the U.S. a democratic republic have been eroded by both courts and politicians. Here are 10 events of recent decades that have encouraged the growth of a police state in the U.S. and promoted the type of toxic environment in which unarmed Brown was shot six times.

Stop and seize

Aggressive police take hundreds of millions of dollars from motorists not charged with crimes

fter the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the government called on police to become the eyes and ears of homeland security on America’s highways.

Local officers, county deputies and state troopers were encouraged to act more aggressively in searching for suspicious people, drugs and other contraband. The departments of Homeland Security and Justice spent millions on police training.

Asset Forfeiture, the Cash Cow of the Drug War

During a July 9 traffic stop in Meridian, Mississippi, police found $360,000 stashed in a secret compartment in the car. Though that’s perhaps an eyebrow-raising amount of money, readers of that linked article might notice something odd—the driver was let go, but the money was kept by the cops. The unnamed individual may or may not get that cash back, but whether they’re charged with a crime is not necessarily the point. If you have a suspicious amount of cash—sometimes much less than 360 grand—the cops can seize it, and it’s on you to prove that the money isn’t connected to a crime. This is the intersection of civil law’s low burden of proof for prosecutors and criminal law’s aggressive reach. And it’s done a lot to fund bad police policies.

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hecate's picture

wonder if they let the Bundys wear their Mormon underpants in the jail.

It is not safe for Henry Kissinger to go to many countries these days, as people want to talk to him about being an unrepentant war criminal and a destabilizer of governments on six continents (he missed Antarctica). But Vladimir Putin and The Mad Bomber, they wuv him and wuv him. Last night the Bomber said to the Americans "I was very flattered when Henry Kissinger said I ran the State Department better—better than anybody had run it in a long time." And earlier this week Putin met with his "good friend" Henry the K at one of Putin's several residences. "They communicate all the time," sez Putin spokesmouth Dmitry Peskov; Putin regards Kissinger as a "world class politician." Lovely.

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NCTim's picture

... is because there is no government to destabilize.

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The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. - Friedrich Nietzsche -

Not just one, but two articles today.

Clinton’s Wall Street Hypocrisy

Like most politicians, Clinton has never been shy about asking those who work in finance for campaign contributions, and she ably represented the industry during her eight years as a senator from New York. If her views on the financial industry have changed since she accepted those millions of dollars in speaking fees, perhaps she ought to explain why. And the next time she’s invited to speak to Wall Street, perhaps she ought to decline the fee. It would be the decent thing to do.

Clinton Struggles to Explain Wall Street Ties

Meanwhile, Clinton has faced increasing scrutiny over her close ties to corporate titans such as Goldman Sachs, which has employees who have donated to her campaign and paid her more than $600,000 for speeches. Asked if she would release transcripts of the speeches, Clinton said she would “look into” it.
“I don’t think voters are interested in the transcripts of her speeches,” Clinton pollster Joel Benenson said at a Wall Street Journal breakfast on Friday. He said voters care about “will she take on Wall Street.”
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"I think I may not have done the job I should in explaining my record," she said.
That was demonstrated in a question submitted through the debate sponsors, MSNBC and the Union Leader newspaper. Clinton was asked if she would release transcripts of the paid speeches she’s made. Clinton declined to say yes or no. “I will look into it,” she said. “I don’t know the status.” Some of her contracts for paid speeches included confidentiality agreements that would complicate their release.
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gulfgal98's picture

Have to be one of the most unconstitutional laws around. It is legalized thievery. I covered it in my most recent OT on Wed. The cops should not be allowed to seize private property without a conviction at the least.

IMO, both no knock entry and civil forfeiture laws are in direct violation of the 4th Amendment. Our Constitution has been shredded by the Supreme Court, particularly those parts that protect our personal privacy and personal rights.

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

Pluto's Republic's picture

…cleaned up Privacy Rights like they never even happened.

As Edward Snowden says:

"A right unclaimed is a right surrendered."

Apparently, the American people had "nothing to hide."

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IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
mimi's picture

what I consider the worst dirt fight among commentators in a long time. Now, I don't care. (Even Adam B participated) But among others they discussed a Kissinger quote, I had never heard about: "“Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." Which triggered my hair stand up to the point that I wanted to know in which context he said that. I googled and found that he was quoted by Bob Woodward in his book "The Final Days" as having said that.

It was said by Kissinger in front of Alexander Haig, newly appointed White House chief of staff, in Haig new office in 1973

I quote to you the sentences related: as you may notice the quote between brackets is "dumb, stupid animals to be used" that was never denied by Kissinger

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In Haig's presence, Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig.
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On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he said.

Who is the bigger ass in there, Kissinger or Woodward? Some people seem to think it was Woodward. Jeez.

I don't know why I even should care. But it's so disgusting. Just wanted to know if Woodward was responsible and trustworthy enough to have written this truthfully.

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Down nearly 3.5% on the day, and having a bad week as well.
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enhydra lutris's picture

but it is legal because there is no law in this country anymore.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --