It is time for a reality check.

I read blogs and news and am astounded by the apparent lack of understanding of what has happened and is happening. This was not just another election. It is a coup and it has every chance of succeeding if we fail to realize it.
We have an interesting (for lack of a better word) cast of characters starting with Trump and Bannon and going from there.
We also have a divided population a significant part of which wants the coup. Even the Democratic Party continues to be more afraid of those of us that Bernie Sanders rose to represent than they are of the coup. This is no surprise to those of us who knew that the two parties were part of the same oligarchy.
My last blog reminded us that the coup is merely a return to our roots in white supremacy and colonial empire. We have used genocide, slavery, war, oppression of workers and women for our entire existence.
What are being offered as a way to survive this? Wait for the next election and run Clinton again? Is that as silly an idea to you as it is to me? Does the fact that people can seriously be talking such trash depress you as much as it does me?
Do you really think the fascists will give up power willingly? Even those who look to Bernie’s followers and some new party are at best whistling in the dark.
When Germany fell to the Nazis it took the USSR and the USA among others to make it possible to break the German people out of their grip. Who do we look to now? China? I don’t see any clear path to liberation.
The survival of millions of people is at stake now and playing the old game that got us here is certainly not what we need to be thinking about.
Climate denial is an example of the possibility that most of us are in denial about our political reality at the moment. This is a wake up call. Let us use this media for the little time we have left. Soon it will be gone. We need to face reality and to get moving fast!

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The people were ready for a revolution and would either go to the left or to the right. Bernie represented to left wing movement, Trump led the right wing movement, and Hillary embodied the reactionary establishment.

The option to swing left was destroyed by the establishment and so the people voted in the right wing.

I think it's not so much of a coup as a revolution.

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Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.

@featheredsprite would be if we lefties had won.

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@LaFeminista I'm happier with Trump by far than I would have been of Hillary.

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If you don't know what you want, you deserve what you get.

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@featheredsprite a quote from Faust "when concepts fail words arise". What ever you want to call it, it is very bad.

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How about two-in-one - both a coup and a revolution? This isn't about left/right, Dem/Repub, or anything other than the 99% against the corporate/billionaire/PTB, who have taken over their governments in all branches and agencies, not forgetting many judges/law courts including the Supreme Court, with an unconstitutional domestic spying agency, Homeland Security, having taken their entire electoral process out of the people's control into Top Secrecy, and who are out to drain The People and environment of everything, including life itself, on their merrily mindless road to hell-on(-soon-oxygen-free)-Earth.

And as has also been pointed out, we will not long have the internet and need alternate means of communication and pacific, constructive plans beyond that of participating in more rigged elections. Promising suggestions have included boycotts of criminal corporations and toxic foods, along with co-ordinated General strikes with crowd-funded support for strikers. So, as an exercise for the student, how do we work this without internet? Remembering, of course, that everything on the net is monitored.

Edited for a typo-ed letter, to add a comma, a 'with' and a 'who'. I'll probably notice whatever else I've missed after pressing 'post' and while waiting for the page to go through, this being traditional, lol. Going for coffeeeeee...

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@Ellen North in the 60s and 70s we created an alternative press.....some of us had printing presses in the basement

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Hey, cool! Great on a local basis, although it's difficult to get such printed information widely distributed in distant areas... or carry on exchanges of ideas/coordination with distant people...

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@Ellen North @Ellen North This may be way out there, but ham radio? Home printers? Lots of people have them connected to their computers. Also, there is an encrypted app called Signal. That can be used for texting and I think phone calls too. This would be a good time to look into all of these things, and exchange contact information with people we trust.

edited to fix typo/misspelled word

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Without internet, whether literally or not, cell phones may not be an option? Would depend, of course, although obviously also monitored and traced by multiple sources.

Ham radio sounds intriguing - not sure what bandwidth remains, and of course that would be monitored and traced, but it would allow conversations with people elsewhere. Assuming there's no electromagnetic or other interference jamming transmissions.

My father used to have a ham set; know nothing about them myself, of course. But that does sound interesting!

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@Ellen North

Should things turn nasty as quickly some think, we're going to have no time to come up with communications solutions. The Internet is totally out. The NSA has everything in storage the instant it's posted. Phone calls of all kinds are subject to the same interception. There is NO secure app or method that you can bank your life on (or compatriot's lives). No computer or smart device connected to the Internet should be considered secure.

Amateur radio (ham radio) can not only be located, but you are on a giant party line and there is absolutely nothing secure about it. Trust me, I have been a ham operator for over 25 years. Further, few have access to receiving equipment, much less broadcast equipment. Few even know how to operate such gear.

At this time, the only thing making much sense to me is local printing. This might be highly effective. It would be possible to print the same material in - say - Los Angles as in Oklahoma City as in Baltimore by using some old technology. There used to be something known as the "sneaker net." Sneaker as in shoes. What this entailed was the guy two floors up from you bringing down a floppy disk of information by hand. That is, he walked to your door literally handed it to you.

We can do sneaker net across the nation. We can now put immense amounts of data on tiny little cards and/or solid state drives. These are devices which can be easily hidden and are very, very hard to find. These devices can be hand delivered. They can also be anonymously mailed to safe addresses, etc. It is possible to encrypt them to a high degree.

Should the situation become so dangerous that such means of communication are necessary, most of us here will probably already be in face-to-face communication ... in prison cells - if we're lucky. Those we influence will probably be the ones doing the work.

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Thank you! Excellent points, all!

This is exactly what people need to be thinking of - seems to me that many of the people even on here have no idea what's actually staring us in the face, or even what Bernie's dealing with. It is happening here...

Edit: was actually thinking of ham radio more as a check-in system, see if anyone answers or not.

The US internet and other essential systems are apparently very vulnerable to attack and are being kept that way; Homeland InSecurity apparently feels that elections must be kept safe (from voters?), but not communications used by the entire population - in industrialized areas, globally... this makes me nervous, as we have become dependent upon them.

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@Granma
Just like having food or bandages in the house before you need them:

This would be a good time to look into all of these things, and exchange contact information with people we trust.

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How so? Seemed like a fair election to me (more or less). Sorry, I can't find your previous essay--maybe you explained it there. But, "coup" seems to be a propagandist term. I prefer facts to propaganda and highly charged discourse.

Yes, Trump sucks. But, for the most part, aside from trying to roll back civil rights gains, he's continuing on the path laid out by Clinton, Bush, and Obama. Ignore global warming and environmental protections, extract fossil fuels at ever increasing rates, widen the financial inequality gap, build up the military, expand wars, strangle government otherwise.

Maybe the "coup" has been going on for the past 30 years or more . . .

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@apenultimate read Bannon's plan. Hitler was elected too. If you read my last blog it goes back 400 years at least.

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@don mikulecky
His Party obtained a large enough minority that it was thought "necessary" to appoint him Chancellor. It wasn't, and that was the biggest political mistake ever made in all German history.

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@don mikulecky If you think there's a coup, and the CIA turns up on the other side, opposing the coup, then you might want to re-think your assessment.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal not at all...that makes perfect sense....Allen Dulles is rolling in his grave

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@don mikulecky It will be a cold day in hell before I side with the CIA against the results of an election. Even these results.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@don mikulecky If you think there's a coup, and the CIA turns up on the other side, opposing the coup, then you might want to re-think your assessment.

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--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@apenultimate

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Dan Rather: This is an emergency
This is an emergency that can no longer be placed solely at the feet of President Trump, or even the Trump Administration. This is a moment of judgement for everyone who willingly remains silent. It is gut check time, for those in a position of power, and for the nation
The time for normalizing, dissembling, and explaining away Donald Trump has long since passed. The barring of respected journalistic outlets from the White House briefing is so far beyond the norms and traditions that have governed this republic for generations, that they must be seen as a real and present threat to our democracy. These are the dangers presidents are supposed to protect against, not create.

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@don mikulecky
As it says there, "if you see something..." https://theintercept.com/leak/

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@don mikulecky between between the self-censorship we've seen from the media at least since BuschCo and trump's overt marginalization of certain news sources? When we find ourselves defending corporate media as a force for democracy, we have lost all perspective IMO. I'll forgive dan rather due to the nostalgia that comes with old age, but these jeremiads about the danger to the press do not move me in the least.

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...... can be found here.

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Hi, Don!

Dunno if you or anyone might be interested in my thoughts, and I did jot down thoughts as I read, rather that dealing with the whole as a concept, but anyway, from your link:

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/26/america-last-the-case-for-moral-disengag...

Sunday, Feb 26, 2017 06:00 AM CST
America last: The case for moral disengagement from politics in the age of Trump
We may well be seeing the rise of fascism — but Democrats and liberals have helped make it possible. Just say no!
Anis Shivani

... I would say that it’s because America is fascist but also the world’s strongest power, and because America already possesses total capacity to destroy any entity, internally and externally, that resistance only strengthens the fascist regime. Resistance gives that regime something to fight against. Fascism needs an enemy to build itself against, but what if the enemy were to retreat and disappear? What would it fight against then? ...

... I started having the thought of total disengagement in the early years of the Obama administration, and it is only now that I’m articulating it. I think I was on the right track even then. What if, instead of eight years of Obama-era activism, the people had delegitimized politics by not voting, not participating, not commenting and simply retreating into private life? And by that I mean constructing healthy, non-consumerist, creative lives, carved with difficulty out of the disastrous environment capitalism forces us to live in, but otherwise oblivious to it?

Is that not all the more necessary now that neoliberal capitalism, from everything I understand of it, is in a mortal fight to the end with the health of the planet and all living species, a fight that for a while now I have believed cannot last beyond the middle of this century? ...

... Suppose all public resistance, i.e., engagement, ceases tomorrow. What would happen? Would Trump be more or less emboldened to expel millions of people or start a new war in the Middle East? He’s going to do it regardless, but his power in doing so will be much greater — it will again come packaged as a real war of ideas when he does so — if resistance in the way we think of it continues. In the absence of reaction, his actions will go forward anyway but will not have the same meaning. ...

... I am arguing that the only moral thing to do in reaction to the fascist onset is to disengage, in every way possible: physically, economically, spiritually, philosophically. And I am arguing that to engage in any way is to be morally supportive of fascism — which probably includes this essay as well, and any thought processes I might have toward fascism, because in that way too I am strengthening it. I only know that the normal democratic means are no longer relevant, since we have nobody in power to represent our moral position, nor are we likely to, now that things have gone this far. ...

One problem seems to be that he's trying to treat this as a Trump issue, rather than one of a long-planned and gradually implemented corporate/billionaire coup, even somehow assuming that other countries might form a safer refuge and are not also being dragged under by American and European corporations/billionaires backed by such as the World Bank and American/European PTB threats of economic or military retribution and will not perish with the rest of the planet in the near future, without immediate and drastic democratic change. Also assuming that 'we went for Clinton over Bernie'???!!! With which 'we' is he aligning? Corporate/billionaire/Hillbot or humans?

And the 99% - presumably around the world - are supposed to accept - and apparently not even think about - whatever is done to us, without resistance, so that the predators can safely assume we'll let them continue killing us off initially a relative few at a time until the big die-off they're creating takes us as well, in the near future?

They are afraid of a massive population uprising, although becoming more emboldened with every bite they take out of us without our doing more than whimpering, begging and bleeding.

The courts could not respond to previous Presidential abuses, as with the recent airport re-entry detaining of various people, until complaints were brought to them by protesting people, not that all that many uncorrupted judges remain, going by a number of past results. But there still are some.

Kinda have to be non-consumerist without living wages and with robotics taking over virtually all jobs ultimately resulting in no wages for probably most and, in any event, no affordable housing or safe air, food and water... health, not so possible, with unrestrained corporate pollution and no labeling or safety regulation on any products.

Who could tell what 'trade bill' corporate coups had or had not been passed, with certain powerful corporations given a free hand to do whatever they will to make ever-larger profits from the ever-shrinking pool of remaining non-corporate/billionaire money remaining to the ever-shrinking 99%, at whatever cost to human, animal and environmental health and survival?

Pathological greed to literally 'have the Earth' is not to be satisfied by seeking a battle and subsiding without one out of sheer boredom, any more than are those seeking global destruction in the belief that Super-Jesus/Super-Tech will swoop in at the last moment to save only them from the carnage. Seriously, would Hitler have stopped dead in the water if only the Nazi's had never encountered resistance?

'First they came' for the list leading up to me, but I knew they'd get here sooner or later, so why bother creating a controversy 'lending meaning' to the for-profit/-ideology murder of humanity and all planetary life? This sounds like the politics of despair; duck, cover and kiss your ass goodby... just passively wait for it, coming soon, especially as there's nothing stopping them, especially not the united 99% all just waiting for their turn for starvation/slaughter/global oxygen deficiency/lack of unpoisoned water sources.

They'll just continue bulldozing the world, evidently intentionally destroying what remains of the concepts of democracy and the natural life support system, and it's estimated that there may be nothing remaining of either in as little time as potentially under a decade at current rates of corporate/military pollution/destruction. And that's without nukes being involved.

If we do not fight for Life now, we will soon lose it for the entire planet.

Something that seems to be hinted at in the final paragraphs, without mentioning that multiple countries were then fighting, rather than imposing, a destructive corporate/military global fascism, together. And that's the only thing then that stopped the seemingly 'inevitable' global take-over.

This time, it will take the united power of the people of the countries - if not wasted entirely on already-rigged-and-secured-election Party strategy planning to no apparent purpose or simply tolerating the closing walls without resistance until unable to move at all and crushed within, without protest.

Boycott and General Strike, while the Parasite Class still feels they have some need of the 99% and while such methods can still reduce corporate/billionaire power. Before they have it all and we are all entirely expendable.

Edited because I altered a portion of a sentence without changing the tense...

Re-edited because I'd initially thought it too obvious to point out that, regarding the recommending of total disengagement from politics', already:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/most-americans-dont-vote-in...

Most Americans don’t vote in elections. Here’s why
The rise of the donor class and the influx of corporate cash have caused many voters to lose faith in politics
July 27, 2015 2:00AM ET
by Sean McElwee

New U.S. Census data released on July 19 confirm what we already knew about American elections: Voter turnout in the United States is among the lowest in the developed world. Only 42 percent of Americans voted in the 2014 midterm elections, the lowest level of voter turnout since 1978. And midterm voters tend to be older, whiter and richer than the general population. The aggregate number is important but turnout among different groups is even more crucial.

Politicians are more accountable and responsive to wealthy voters, not just because rich people vote in elections, but because they are also more likely to donate to campaigns or work on them to get their candidates elected. And the effects of the gap in voter turnout are far-reaching because, for many Americans, elections are one of the only ways in which they can participate in democracy.
Boosting voter participation

Gaps in voter turnout exacerbate the United States’ already unequal political system. ...

Hasn't helped so far, not that electoral results can be trusted, or that Americans are allowed any actual electoral choice or chance of real representation.

But if the author missed that obvious error in his reasoning, others might have, too.

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@Ellen North
to mourn for the death of democracy. Not in groups, not with slogans or colors. Horizontally, unidentifiably, unpredictably, undeniably.

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@don mikulecky I don't see how Trump is the rise of fascism any more than George W Bush, the Clintons, or, sadly, Obama.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal no he is the product not the cause....long history here if you read the blog

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country's two largest parties. Hillary is much more circumspect and much less of a loose cannon. Doesn't mean she is isn't a crazy fascist.

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@HenryAWallace The only real differences were how overt under Trump and covert under Clinton. I agree that the coup has been going on for a long time and both parties are working for the same corporate oligarchy. The Democratic party is responsible for Donald Trump and they still do not see the light. Personally, I do not see a good way out of all this.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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@gulfgal98 you are correct. There is no good way out of all of this. Absent a precipitous sea change, I see nothing good coming. Please, oh please, let you and me be very, very wrong on this one.

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"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey

@gulfgal98

They just have zero reason to admit that they see it, so they don't admit that they do.

What does a Hillary Clinton, or a Bill Clinton or a Nancy Pelosi or a Steny Hoyer have to gain by telling the truth about why the Democratic Party has gone from a party of the people, a party of workers and unions, that registered a majority of voters to Richard Trumka referring to it with "I've had a snootful of this sh*t" and a party bleeding voters?

I have seen so many posts saying they just don't get it. They are bright people, many with fabulous educations. They are professionals in a field where getting it is crucial. They commission polls we never see. They have advisors, foreign and domestic, from strategists, to political scientists to university professors. Yet, they don't see what the average left message board posters see?

The other myth I see on message boards is that they are afraid of Republicans, their fellow members in George Carlin's big club.

IMO, the reality is they KNOW and they are not the least bit afraid of anything but being poor and powerless or admitting a mistake, admitting a mistake about almost anything being something that might lead to their being poor and powerl"ess. It wasn't a farmer who invented using the nonsensical euphemism "misspoke" to mean "said exactly what s/he meant to say, exactly the way he or she meant to say it, but which blew up in his or her face."

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@HenryAWallace common falsehoods is the notion that Dems are too stupid to know how to win or too cowardly to fight the republicans. This is merely a projection of the speaker- the speaker is too dumb to recognize that they are highly educated and driven people, who have climbed the political ladder. They are not dumb- they are doing precisely what they want to do. It is the speaker who refuses to see this who is the idiot. And the coward- the dems are not afraid of the republicans. They are engaged in aneoliberal waltz with them. The cowardice is in the speaker who is too frightened to confront these facts.

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gulfgal, for example, could not be further from stupid, dumb or even uninformed. Sometimes, people who are good and honest just assume that other people are good and honest, too. I think it was Mayangelou who said, "When you knew better, you did better." But people who know better don't always do better. It's hard for good people who looked at the Democrats a certain way to change the prism and get that Democrats are not worthy of their trust. So, they come up with reasons like "clueless" and "scared" or even "pragmatic" to explain why Democrats are not doing the right thing by a majority of Americans.

We don't need to do that about Republicans because we always believed they were venal. We don't have to come up with other reasons for their behaviors or a new prism through which to view them. We just have trouble seeing people we trusted through the same prism as we saw Republicans.

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@HenryAWallace my comment at gulfgal, just to be clear. I was voicing my frustration at web discussions generally where one cannot progress because others are stuck in that ridiculous false framework.

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I consider the definition of misspoke to be: The wrong people just heard what I said.

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the Nation turns its....

what? dead? he's dead?

And mom? Mom,too?

yes,dear.

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What? You got a cupcake? And a pantry?

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Thanks for the excellent video - I hope these how-to videos are widely seen and understood!

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USA crying crocodile tears with respect to it's "troubles". Wait until the real trouble starts with the economy, then there will be people willing to start a political revolution. Right now our personal and national debt buble hasn't imploded yet.

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It is the .01% game, and they'll make sure it never loses.

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Actually, they'll make sure they never lose - and the lost money goes somewhere during crashes. Insiders have made money off such by selling short when they know it's due to go down... Personally, if I had any money, I'd keep it the heck off the market.

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"Correction." Aren't the names they make up for losing your hard-earned money in a day or less so clever?

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The danger I see is still Hillary. First she yells "Russians" then she wins the popular vote (though the aborted recounts showed that in Detroit she was credited with more votes than ballots) Then the CIA says "Russians! But we can't tell you how we know, 'cause that's classified"
If that doesn't sound like the leadup to a coup then I'll give up my Junior Conspiracy Theorist badge. This looks to me like a fight between the Corrupt As It Is faction vs. the Back To The Robber Baron Era faction. Or Stalin vs. Trotsky (a paranoid soon to be homicidal dictator vs. a true believer, assuming that Trump actually believes that conning and cheating is dogma)

And once the anti Trump protests reach critical mass then she will march on Washington. Then she will imprison all the traitors and all the Russian agents that are hiding under her bed, then she will have the national guard round up all the deplorables and hippies and superpreditors and put then to work building pyramids. Then she will ascend into heaven atop a divine mushroom cloud.

Seriously (though my sarcastic scenario was actually pretty serious) all Trump has to do is keep on seemingly producing manufacturing jobs and deporting $5 an hour dishwashers and people will forget St. Ronnie.

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On to Biden since 1973

Could somebody run it by me how Trump's election could be considered to be a coup?

Thanks.

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revolutionary moment in 2008 and then Barry, Harry and Nancy laughed in our faces.

That was also BTW my DemExit moment.

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Dear Dems: You lost the WH, Senate, House, dozens of governors, state level SOS and AG and about 1,000 state legislative seats. Maybe...you're doing something wrong.

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When I think there may be a coup, I look at how the CIA is acting. The CIA is attempting to undermine and remove the Trump administration, which still hasn't been proven to have been installed fraudulently, since those who insist that the Trump win was "rigged," most of them, continue to talk about the Podesta emails and the DNC hack/leak, none of which "rigged" anything. Even if Trump did rig his way into a win, it would not be the business of the CIA to redress that crime. Or to punish it. Their job is not to meddle with the electoral politics of the US, or, IMO, anybody's electoral politics. When the CIA meddles with electoral politics, that looks like a coup to me.

Trump is just a rotten, far-right-wing candidate who won because the person who was intended by the establishment to win ran a crap strategy that exploded in her face.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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There is no doubt that the DNC preferred Trump as the candidate, and handed down that dictate to their media minions. They also usurped their own nomination and put forth a weaker Democrat on the ticket. Don't you find it troubling that the entire mountain of backlash against President Trump completely ignores that this is a problem of the Democrats own design? Whatever existential threat Trump poses, to me it's irrelevant compared to the undemocratic way that the Democratic party is functioning. Many of us refused to vote Democrat because we could not reward the behavior that gave us Hillary. When you ignore all that lead up to Trump's victory, you end up rewarding the Democrats for their guile.

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“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”

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1789 (Constitution)
1861 (Lincoln oversteps his bounds)
1913 (Federal Reserve)
1917 (Espionage Act--boy, Wilson was a fucker)
1946 (We let a bunch of Nazis into our intelligence services. That was smart.)
1963 (Kennedy)
1968 (Kennedy, King, Malcolm X)
1971 (Powell memo)
1980 (Reagan "revolution")
1988 (The League of Women Voters stops running the presidential debates)
1994 (Political parties under control of Newt Gingrich and the Clintons. End of decent legislation.)
1996 (Telecommunications Act.)
1999 (Financial deregulation.)
2000 (President ascends via election fraud and other violations of the law.)
2001 (9/11 and the official rise of the police state. Patriot 1.)
2002 (AUMF and the end of the legislature.)
2004 (President ascends again via election fraud and other violations of the law.)
2010 (Citizens United and the revelation that Obama wasn't working for us.)

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal when he launched the CPI, headed by George Creel and Ed Bernays. The first step is the pyschological one.

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C99, my refuge from an insane world. #ForceTheVote

@RantingRooster

Whoa, started to look at the videos following, and I wish everyone would watch/read this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vrKAA5hIvg

Resist the Chain of Obedience
TheRantingRooster
TheRantingRooster

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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@RantingRooster
If time is short, at least read tbe text in the comments area.
This is a feminist issue too.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal @Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

and the Constitution was ratified in 1789. England "granted us" independence in 1783.

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@HenryAWallace Thanks for the correction. Don't know what I was thinking.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

"granted" us independence in 1783. I assumed, without really having thought about it, that, as some point, they decided they were not going to defeat us and called the redcoats back to England. I have to find out more about this!

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@HenryAWallace
A painting exists that is only half-finished, showing the American negotiators - the British side refused to sit for it. Shows they were sore losers, I guess.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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Also, it's kind of humiliating.

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Hillary knew that she oould never be elected, because the truth would come out if she ran, so she picked her opponent, then , after she lost, let his loathsomeness distract us, then she'll "save us" from him by overthrowing the government.
If you're Hillary the only way to be President is to be dictator.

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On to Biden since 1973

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@doh1304 Actually, I'm pretty sure Hillary thought she was going to win, because people would be so horrified at Trump that she'd have an easy path. Plus, she could rig it if she wanted to.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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agreement Don, get ready

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then she rigged the vote in CA + NY? Why, to pad her vote totals? Based on what, the lying polls? She ordered the damn lies! That is third world dictator insane.

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On to Biden since 1973

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@doh1304 She (and those she works for) seem obsessed with credibility lately. With establishing their credibility in people's minds, or, failing that, to break the part of people's minds that can analyze what they're doing and judge them wrong.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

And they have to. They must convince the people that the immoral, inhumane, unconstitutional and illegal things they do are somehow credible and 'inevitable' because this can only be inflicted upon the people if the people passively accept it and permit every abuse to 'stand as a done deal, to be fixed "next time".'

Just like the last time this hostile global corporate takeover was attempted within a democracy. If it succeeds, there will not be a next time or, likely, oxygen-dependent complex life surviving to attempt it.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.